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#321 harry4e

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Posted 30 July 2014 - 08:27 PM

Guys, are you sure Obito was the one who killed Naruto's parents? Wasn't it Kurama?

 

 

Kushina was dying from having Kurama forcebly removed from her, (Uzumaki blood just meant it wasn't an instant death for her just like how Naruto did not die instantly after having Kurama removed from him, but if not for Sakura, Gaara and Obito he would have been dead now, same woud have happened to Kushina eventually, even Obito was dying from having the Bjuu extracted from him, he was just on borrowed time.) getting stabbed by Kurama just added to the dramatics...even without the stab she was still dying. Minato died to protect his village, to ensure his son would have the means to protect the village when the person who comes back.

 

Obito is the one responsible for their deaths, (and he did kill Kushina) but Kishi likes givea charactor of importance a slightly more redeemable quality. Like Kakuza, Naruto's Rasenshuriken pretty much killed him but it was Kakashi who dealt the final blow to keep Naruto more pure, Same with Sasuke, he pretty much killed Danzou but it was him self distructing that actually killed him. (Apparently like in typical storytelling fashion, Sasuke killing all those Samurai does not count towards his guilt death count, only the guilty and ones in power count.)


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Posted 30 July 2014 - 08:54 PM

Guys, are you sure Obito was the one who killed Naruto's parents? Wasn't it Kurama?

 

"The Joker's just a mad dog. I want whoever let him off the leash." from The Dark Knight. 

 

The whole deal with Kurama on that night was supposed to be controlled and contained, Obito made sure it all went to heck in a hand basket.


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Posted 30 July 2014 - 09:08 PM

The only thing which prevents him from ravaging Sasuke are his bond and his emotions for him. Let them vanish and let Sasuke be a villain like Kaguya or Madara and Naruto would ravage him like anything especially considering the fact that he gave so much pain to Sakura chan!

Sasuke is the king of asspull and Naruto's speed is inconsistent i would not take this bait.
Madara said that the true power of the rinnegan cames out when the user awakes both eyes Sasuke has yet to asspull this too.
If he really had the speed to take out her arm like on this chapter he would had finished the fight already.

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Posted 30 July 2014 - 09:09 PM

Well, one thing: why do people not have the problems with Kurama that they do with Obito? Numerous times Kurama has tried to kill Naruto out of pure hatred. And whether or not he "technically" killed Minato and Kushina, the intent was there.

 

I don't really have any problems with Naruto thinking Obito is a cool guy. He sees the best in people. He saw his memories of his old life, and in those memories he probably sees himself. Obito realized that he is scum for his despicable actions and deserves no better death- in fact, he was happy to go out and leave his life behind. He did what he could to make up for his actions even though nothing he could do would ever be good enough. He fought the good fight and did what he could- for that, he is cool. Spitting on his ashes for eternity isn't going to do anything. There is nothing that anyone, even he, could do that would be good enough to make up for his actions. He changed and that's what matters in the end, so forgiveness is the only way about it, lest the cycle of hatred continue.


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Posted 30 July 2014 - 09:14 PM

Sasuke is the king of asspull and Naruto's speed is inconsistent i would not take this bait.
Madara said that the true power of the rinnegan cames out when the user awakes both eyes Sasuke has yet to asspull this too.
If he really had the speed to take out her arm like on this chapter he would had finished the fight already.

I am wondering about his speed as well!

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Posted 30 July 2014 - 09:24 PM

Well, one thing: why do people not have the problems with Kurama that they do with Obito? Numerous times Kurama has tried to kill Naruto out of pure hatred. And whether or not he "technically" killed Minato and Kushina, the intent was there.

 

I don't really have any problems with Naruto thinking Obito is a cool guy. He sees the best in people. He saw his memories of his old life, and in those memories he probably sees himself. Obito realized that he is scum for his despicable actions and deserves no better death- in fact, he was happy to go out and leave his life behind. He did what he could to make up for his actions even though nothing he could do would ever be good enough. He fought the good fight and did what he could- for that, he is cool. Spitting on his ashes for eternity isn't going to do anything. There is nothing that anyone, even he, could do that would be good enough to make up for his actions. He changed and that's what matters in the end, so forgiveness is the only way about it, lest the cycle of hatred continue.

I don't know about others, but I do blame Kurama. It's just, he was already redeemed long ago. I'm over it.

 

It's fine to see the best in people, but that doesn't mean you should be blint to their sins and flaws. See the whole person. You can not end the cycle of hatred if you erase their mistakes. If you don't see the faults you will never learn from it.


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Posted 30 July 2014 - 09:42 PM

With all of his training and special inheritances being upstaged on the whim of however Naruto is feeling, Sasuke's presence seems woefully inadequate right now. Even one of his specialties which he's been garnering praise for since the Chunin Exams, his speed, is outclassed by Naruto. It really begs the question of how Sasuke hopes to compete with Naruto if he's blundering along while Naruto continues to rack up bigger and more impressive feats.

Probably the only noteworthy shinobi discipline which Sasuke still has a better grasp of than Naruto is genjutsu. I think it was mentioned somewhere that only a person with the same Sharinnegan as Kaguya's is capable of dispelling the MT. Assuming Kishi doesn't try to have someone upstage Sasuke in breaking the illusion, he still has that task to try and distinguish himself with.

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Posted 30 July 2014 - 09:42 PM

Well, one thing: why do people not have the problems with Kurama that they do with Obito? Numerous times Kurama has tried to kill Naruto out of pure hatred. And whether or not he "technically" killed Minato and Kushina, the intent was there.

Why should Kurama be at fault , when he was caged for years by the leaf against his own free will and he did nothing wrong to deserved that I'm sure you know the story , all he was trying to do is like any caged beast gain freedom  how can we judge him for that ? Besides its Obito who controlled Kurama into killing the villagers and wrecking chaos in the village and Minato and Kushina (which she was dying do to Obito extracting Kurama) were trying to stop him by sealing him again putting him in a cage  he was just trying to not be put into a cage again how is he in fault in here ?

 

The fault is on Obito in the first hand for causing all of that none of that would have happened if he didn't attack Kushina  Minato was already dead by using the Shiki Fuujin trying to seal Kurama and Kushina was dead do to the extraction done by Obito the stab by Kurama came afterward by trying to free himself either way that changes nothing they were still going to die thanks to Obito's actions .


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Posted 30 July 2014 - 10:05 PM

I don't know about others, but I do blame Kurama. It's just, he was already redeemed long ago. I'm over it.

 

It's fine to see the best in people, but that doesn't mean you should be blint to their sins and flaws. See the whole person. You can not end the cycle of hatred if you erase their mistakes. If you don't see the faults you will never learn from it.

Someone needs to explain this to Kishi (would also help to convince SS fans that its dead)


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Posted 30 July 2014 - 10:57 PM

Sasuke is the king of asspull and Naruto's speed is inconsistent i would not take this bait.Madara said that the true power of the rinnegan cames out when the user awakes both eyes Sasuke has yet to asspull this too.If he really had the speed to take out her arm like on this chapter he would had finished the fight already.

What doesn't make sense to me more than Naruto's speed is how bad they all are at fighting. It's like they are purposeful stalling. The fight would have ended if Kaguya ripped the necks off of Sasuke and Naruto when she was touching their chin, or they towards her. Or, if Naruto stabbed her with a kunai instead of punching her when he did that sexy jutsu. After putting on gravity, Kaguya could have used her time-space traveling to get right next to Sasuke and Naruto to attack them and they would have been dead already.

They all suck at fighting.
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Posted 30 July 2014 - 11:18 PM

What doesn't make sense to me more than Naruto's speed is how bad they all are at fighting. It's like they are purposeful stalling. The fight would have ended if Kaguya ripped the necks off of Sasuke and Naruto when she was touching their chin, or they towards her. Or, if Naruto stabbed her with a kunai instead of punching her when he did that sexy jutsu. After putting on gravity, Kaguya could have used her time-space traveling to get right next to Sasuke and Naruto to attack them and they would have been dead already.

They all suck at fighting.

lol. Kishi didn't know how to defeat Madara, so he replaced him with a new villain and now he doesn't know how to defeat her either. So he drags it on and ooon.. :arg:


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Posted 30 July 2014 - 11:30 PM

lol. Kishi didn't know how to defeat Madara, so he replaced him with a new villain and now he doesn't know how to defeat her either. So he drags it on and ooon.. :arg:

 

I don't think kishi cares about his work anymore he just wants to finish as soon as possible.



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Posted 31 July 2014 - 12:02 AM

Sakura vs Zetsu in the next chapter.


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Posted 31 July 2014 - 12:15 AM

Well, one thing: why do people not have the problems with Kurama that they do with Obito? Numerous times Kurama has tried to kill Naruto out of pure hatred. And whether or not he "technically" killed Minato and Kushina, the intent was there.

 

I don't really have any problems with Naruto thinking Obito is a cool guy. He sees the best in people. He saw his memories of his old life, and in those memories he probably sees himself. Obito realized that he is scum for his despicable actions and deserves no better death- in fact, he was happy to go out and leave his life behind. He did what he could to make up for his actions even though nothing he could do would ever be good enough. He fought the good fight and did what he could- for that, he is cool. Spitting on his ashes for eternity isn't going to do anything. There is nothing that anyone, even he, could do that would be good enough to make up for his actions. He changed and that's what matters in the end, so forgiveness is the only way about it, lest the cycle of hatred continue.

 

Kurama was trying to escape his prison, a prison he didn't deserve to be in, However humans felt he was too dangerous so kept him prisoner. Neither of his previous Wardens cared much for him either so his stay inside prison was not exactly a pleasant one. You feel sorry for Kurama for the predicament he was put in, and couldn't blame him for hating humanity, he was created to protect Humanity instead he was feared and used. 

 

He couldn't control his actions when put under Madara's Genjutsu, and then later under Obito's Genjutsu, He's technically didn't try to kill Naruto, he's tried to get Naruto to give into his hatred so he removed the seal, so he could escape his prison (a sad side effect it would kill Naruto) Kurama knows he can't kill Naruto with him sealed inside, as it would kill him as well and he would take a number of years to revive.

 

Obito is a different matter, he saw one person he loved die infront of him, he wasn't tortured or controlled, he lost faith in humanity too easily, out of all the villain flashbacks his was the most lame and unforgiving, even Madara saw his brothers die, grew up seeing soo many people die (not one person but multiple) he saw his clan treated as outsiders even after peace, and got manipulated by false information on the tablet. Negato saw his parents die infront of him and didn't crack, he grew up on the streets in poverty and saw constant death because he was unfortunate enough to be born between two nations at war with each other, and still didn't crack however Yahiko taking the weapon Negato was holding, and then forcing it in his heart, forcing NEgato to kill his best friend to save another is what made him crack.

 

Obito's flashback was depressing, to see the person who resembled Naruto the most give up so easily can't be considered anything more than trash, atleast in his death he gained some redemption, but still can't make up for the thousands that died due to the war he started.


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Posted 31 July 2014 - 12:25 AM

Guys, are you sure Obito was the one who killed Naruto's parents? Wasn't it Kurama?

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Posted 31 July 2014 - 12:38 AM

 

I don't think kishi cares about his work anymore he just wants to finish as soon as possible.

Well he doesn't know how to get to that point, so he buys time with slow phasing and detours. :P


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Posted 31 July 2014 - 12:39 AM

What doesn't make sense to me more than Naruto's speed is how bad they all are at fighting. It's like they are purposeful stalling. The fight would have ended if Kaguya ripped the necks off of Sasuke and Naruto when she was touching their chin, or they towards her. Or, if Naruto stabbed her with a kunai instead of punching her when he did that sexy jutsu. After putting on gravity, Kaguya could have used her time-space traveling to get right next to Sasuke and Naruto to attack them and they would have been dead already.

They all suck at fighting.

Very true. This is always the case. If any one of them had gone full out, this fight would have been over already.

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Posted 31 July 2014 - 12:50 AM

What do people from Japan think about Obito? 


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Posted 31 July 2014 - 12:57 AM

What do people from Japan think about Obito? 

I don't know but for some reason, his chapters often place Naruto at top 3 list in SJ voting.

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Posted 31 July 2014 - 01:03 AM

I don't know but for some reason, his chapters often place Naruto at top 3 list in SJ voting.



That's pretty interesting. I think people in japan love Obito's character.

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