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#321 Sakamaki Izayoi

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Posted 24 February 2014 - 11:14 PM

If it's not because of a lack of consensus with his host then the root cause is probably ignorance on Yin Kurama's part. He's only been with Minato for how long? A few hours? It's likely that he's not all too familiar with working alongside him. That includes not being aware of all the abilities that Minato may have. Without prior knowledge of Minato's usage of Sage Mode, Yin Kurama would be completely in the dark and would have little reason to ask him if he's capable of senjutsu also (Naruto already had enough power to supply both of them at the time when senjutsu was important). Either way, my point still stands about the communication issue since Minato obviously isn't chummy with his bijuu like Naruto became with Yang Kurama.

He was on kyuubi chakra mode for more time than Naruto when he first entered on this mode.
It's just Kubo btw, you dont have to understand Kubo, you need feel Kubo and think like Kubo and become Kubo to understand what Kubo is doing.

Also thinking like Kubo the only thing i perceived here is that Kubo made Minato to become a Naruto's clone from the past despite without any hint or lacking coherence, he simply asspulled every Naruto's abilities on Minato dunno why.

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Posted 25 February 2014 - 12:43 AM

 

You mean apart from it being the name of his twin brothers Manga?

 

OK I'm going to go out on a Limb here and say I don't think in the first part of the Manga, Sakura loved Sasuke, Naruto did not love Sakura, and Hinata didn't love Naruto. All three of them loved the idea of the other person. The didn't know the other person well enough to really consider it real love. Sakura loved the idea of Sasuke, she saw a cool alpha male type from a prestigious Clan who was lost his family and lived on his own.The complete opposite of what Sakura was, a regular unpopular girl who got teased by other girls and had a regular family that didn't belong to any famous Clan. Sasuke was basically what she hoped to be.

 

The situation is similar with Hinata, she saw in Naruto a person who even though he hardly ever got any help and failed constantly would still get up and keep on trying and be determined to get better,and not get disheartened by all the knockdowns. Where she on the other hand got all the training in the world yet gave in to her failures and was disheartened by the knockdowns. So again he was everything she hoped she could be.

 

Naruto with Sakura is the only different one, where he likes her because of who she is, But he is attracted to her for her looks, (maybe personality if he took after his father who got attracted to a strong willed violent person).

 

After the timeskip, Sakura went from wanting to be him to wanting to save him,  Hinata's goal was still the same, she's improved allot, but she has still failed to hold a conversation with him. it's Sakura's and Naruto's relationship that changed the most, they got to know each other better, saw the other person as their equal and encouraged each other....and is the only pairing I'd say where the feelings they have for the other is ACTUALLY for the other person and not the idea of what the other person is. That's not Love, that's infactuation and Admiration.

 

You are so right. SS and NH both like the idea of the person, without really getting to know the person himself. 

 

Only Naruto's love quietly and steadfastly grows beyond the infatuation stage.

 

Lots of fanfics have include in the resolution some quasi apology on the part of Sakura, acknowledging her "love" for Sasuke may have been all-consuming but that she came to see the light. But I hope that in the manga resolution, Sakura doesn't dwell on her past feelings for Sasuke at all. They are the childish emotions of a then child. And those feelings  pale in comparison to the  real adult love she has now, and don't even deserve to be mentioned. 



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Posted 25 February 2014 - 01:01 AM

Nope he has been with Minato for 17 years in the SF fighting or doing whatever


These were Hiruzen's exact words when describing the Shiki Fujin, "Their souls will mingle, hating each other and battling the other for all eternity."

So apparently when Minato sealed Yin Kurama, he effectively condemned himself to fighting it endlessly for the rest of time. That would be a probable scenario for Minato to use his techniques for the bijuu to see.

That addresses Minato's fighting style itself but not the principals of senjutsu and how it's acquired. You activate SM by gathering the energy of the natural world around you and intermixing it with your two energies to create sage chakra.

The issue now is whether or not natural energy would exist for Minato to use where he and Kurama were battling. Considering that the shinigami is depicted as an ethereal being with supernatural features and that Edo Tensei, a technique which functions by extracting the intended soul from the afterlife to return it to Earth, failed to restore him, I think it's safe to argue that Minato's soul resided beyond the conventional realms of existence.

Natural energy, by its definition and namesake, is an unseeable force that exists all across nature (Earth's nature). Given the unique conditions of Minato's captivity in the stomach of a supernatural being (one which probably exists in a realm beyond time and space), how likely is it that Minato would have the tools necessary to use Sage Mode and demonstrate it to Kurama? Personally, I think it's unlikely that he was able to use it then. The shinigami is an entity that probably falls under the same category as Susanoo's gourd.
 

not to mention that once he was also sealed in his wife so to think that he's not aware of his abilities i think is totally wrong,


Given all the information about Minato's battle tactics and how he operates in a fight, is it consistent for him to resort to SM? Or for Kushina to pay much heed to an ability that exists separately from the technical skills that Minato amalgamates with his wife's?
 

also if the Yang Kurama in Naruto  could tell that Naruto surpassed Minato and Kushina that means he's pretty much aware of his abilities and what he's capable of and this was the Kurama that has never been with Minato but within his wife so if Yang Kurama knew this i don't see any reason why Yin  wouldn't  .


This was brought up in a previous discussion that we had and my answer to it remains the same

"Kurama admitted to himself that Naruto had surpassed them in terms of the amount of chakra that he could link and transfer to others."

Kurama is aware of the abilities that would entail his involvement. Chakra transference. I don't think he's ever offered much insight into their other abilities that weren't involved with him. Surpassing, in the way he described it, was in a strictly limited context which wouldn't support the notion that he's aware of everything they have.  
 

Also nothing was stopping Minato to ask the Yin Kurama if he can do BSM after he saw Naruto doing it or for Yin Kurama to tell Minato about it if Minato was indeed able to do this,


There was little time for Minato to coordinate any chakra arrangements since they had both started fighting almost immediately after Naruto discovered that he could use both modes simultaneously. It goes from them using the Rasengan against Obito to some brief (very brief) conversation, Naruto trying to create a Bijudama forged with natural energy, and then Obito proceeding to release the Shinju which rendered their original attack strategy useless. All in the span of nine pages.

Furthermore, Minato wouldn't have any need to use BSM since Naruto already offered to supply the necessary sage chakra to the Rasengan.
 

plus there was never shown to be a lack or trouble in their communication as you claim this to be the case on the contrary there communication was rather fine,


Really? Was Minato even aware of Kurama's existence in his mind before he revealed himself (he acted surprised when he noticed that Kurama was looming over him from behind)? Was the chakra he was using received consensually or did Minato steal it from him at some point when they were battling inside of the shinigami?

Neither of them have had the interactions that Naruto has had which include the great majority of his life. That includes his training experiences which Kurama obviously wasn't a witness to during Minato's time since he was confined to another person's body (unless Kushina decided to tag along as a spectator at Myobokuzan).
 

this Kurama even cheered Minato up when he was feeling  low about himself he was very nice to him on the other hand


Morale is a critical element to an effective soldier's performance when fighting. Minato acting like a dejected failure would have been counter-productive to what they were trying to accomplish.

I won't deny that there was genuine compassion on his part, but to argue that it's of the same long-term intimacy as Naruto's relationship with his Kurama? That it would influence Kurama's information about Minato? No. Especially when they just came out from an imprisonment that had them locking horns with each other resentfully for 17 years nonstop. There was combat and technical experience, but on a personal level that pertained to Minato's own life? Not really, excluding whatever time Kushina spent with him.
 

the Yang Kurama within Naruto wasn't like that with Naruto actually Naruto had it harder in this department than Minato,


Naruto also didn't have the proper environment that would have compelled Yang Kurama to cooperate with him like Yin Kurama did by being thrown out to fight against the Jubi immediately after being freed. Remember that the original motivation for Yang Kurama's assistance was self-preservation. This entire war could be looked at as the catalyst for Naruto's newly formed relationship with Kurama.

Before that, Naruto never really paid much heed to Kurama's well-being (excluding an apology he made for forcibly removing his chakra after his mind had been "cleansed" of the negativity afflicting it).

I'm not sure when Yin Kurama assumed this docile persona around Minato but he seems to take special consideration of the conditions surrounding Naruto's relationship with his Yang counterpart.
 

and if the bijuu's have anything relevant to say they would they won't hold back  as it was shown many times so i think this lack of communication doesn't have base at all for why Minato isn't able to go BSM instead it has with Minato not being able to do it if he could Kishi would have showed that just like he did with Minato being able to go KCM and BM .


The bijuu haven't exactly been on good speaking terms with humans since Hagoromo's passing. Animosity had apparently developed between them and for that, the bijuu's opinion of them turned to murderous hatred. Being forcibly contained inside a person and expected to act as a tool lacking in sentience doesn't lend itself well to cooperation or wanting to even speak with them (besides voicing their dislike for their captors like in Shukaku's situation when he was conversing with a young Gaara).

Hell, besides the Sand Priest, Killer Bee is perhaps the first human to ever treat the bijuu as an equal rather than an implement of someone's war machine or a monster.
 


Edited by Atheck, 25 February 2014 - 01:55 AM.


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Posted 25 February 2014 - 01:07 AM

Manga comes out tomorrow right? 


 
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Posted 25 February 2014 - 01:12 AM

Lots of fanfics have include in the resolution some quasi apology on the part of Sakura, acknowledging her "love" for Sasuke may have been all-consuming but that she came to see the light. But I hope that in the manga resolution, Sakura doesn't dwell on her past feelings for Sasuke at all. They are the childish emotions of a then child. And those feelings  pale in comparison to the  real adult love she has now, and don't even deserve to be mentioned. 

 

I see the fanfic apologies from Sakura (at least the ones I've written) as less of a dwelling on Sasuke or explanation of her old feelings than as a final and complete openness with Naruto -- an openness without reservation wherein he can see, hear, and believe that there's nothing left for Sasuke.  

 

To me, considering her first attempt at explaining her past feelings for Sasuke was far from a resounding success and was an obvious sticking point between them, it might help Naruto in some way or be something he would want/need to hear.

 

But overall I would agree, and I think the graphic nature of the manga will lend itself to such a resolution without necessarily having to cover the old Sasuke ground again.  

 

Naruto is not much of a word guy, so I hope Kishimoto will find a way for Sakura to prove her love to Naruto beyond a doubt -- and hold the Sauce.



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Posted 25 February 2014 - 01:17 AM

So this chapter basically further cemented the fact that Madara has a god complex. Not only does he believe that he can save the world by enslaving everybody. He also believes himself to be the saviour of the world and thus eqautes his name with salvation.

 

I'm glad to see that Obito has finally woken up and that he's now starting to fight Madara. Can't say I'm surprised, but I do look forward to seeing what he'll do to help Naruto. It seems like Kakashi, Gaara and Minato are all out of commission and while Sakura is doing a great job keeping Naruto alive, I don't think she'll be able to stand against Madara alone. It would be cool if she could assist of course and I'm still hoping that Kishi will let her assist in the upcoming battle. 


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Posted 25 February 2014 - 01:18 AM

Manga comes out tomorrow right? 

Tomorrow? Do you mean tuesday or wednesday? I mean..here it's already technically tuesday, it's AM. (But it's not tomorrow until I've gone to bed. :P )


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Posted 25 February 2014 - 01:28 AM

Tomorrow? Do you mean tuesday or wednesday? I mean..here it's already technically tuesday, it's AM. (But it's not tomorrow until I've gone to bed. :P )

 

I meant Wednesday, it's already 12:30 of the 25th here xD


 
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Posted 25 February 2014 - 01:53 AM

 

I meant Wednesday, it's already 12:30 of the 25th here xD

 

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Posted 25 February 2014 - 06:29 AM

Well, that was a fun day. So, one more day left. What to do...



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Posted 25 February 2014 - 06:47 AM

Well, that was a fun day. So, one more day left. What to do...

 

go to mangapanda and start hitting refresh. It's gonna be a fun day.



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Posted 25 February 2014 - 07:07 AM

 
go to mangapanda and start hitting refresh. It's gonna be a fun day.

Lol too early. But yeah. Can't wait.

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Posted 25 February 2014 - 11:12 AM

Yeah..cant wait for tomorow!! Get ready for the worst or awesome....kishi, please..
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Posted 25 February 2014 - 11:32 AM

no NS hints  tomorrow... I strongly believe that it will be about Team Gai's arrival.


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Posted 25 February 2014 - 11:48 AM

no NS hints  tomorrow... I strongly believe that it will be about Team Gai's arrival.

Ugh.

 

kitten Team Gai.

 

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Posted 25 February 2014 - 11:55 AM

Or maybe the opposite of it?
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Posted 25 February 2014 - 12:02 PM

No every chapter can always be a hint to NaruSaku. We have to be patient and wait for the moments like we've gotten in the past few weeks. If anything this chapter might foreshadow to Team Gai arriving with the Sage's tools and using them to cripple Madara or finding a way to temporarily revive Naruto.


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Posted 25 February 2014 - 12:04 PM

No every chapter can always be a hint to NaruSaku. We have to be patient and wait for the moments like we've gotten in the past few weeks. If anything this chapter might foreshadow to Team Gai arriving with the Sage's tools and using them to cripple Madara or finding a way to temporary revive Naruto.

Ten years. I've waited ten years for these moments dammit!

 

:hm:



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Posted 25 February 2014 - 12:17 PM

Ten years. I've waited ten years for these moments dammit!

 

:hm:

 

Don't worry, we'll get what we want by this year since Naruto is supposed to end.


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Posted 25 February 2014 - 12:45 PM

Ten years. I've waited ten years for these moments dammit!

 

:hm:

 

Ulysses had his first night with his wife after 20 years away from his home. :ermm:


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