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[Otaru]

 

You mean we weren't nuts about NaruSaku already (in a good way)?

 

lol ^^

 

 

All I'm saying is no matter how this is done, don't exclude the possibility of Sakura doing some sort of sacrifice for Naruto... In the end, it was foreshadowed. We should wait and see how Kishi is going to play it instead of arguing among ourselves.

 

I agree. It was foreshadowed when Chiyo told her to put her life on the line for someone really important to her. And, IMO, she already done something like that when she ran recklessly at 4tails/Naruto.

Edited by Otaru, 15 February 2014 - 12:54 AM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

How can you say it wasn't when we had the farewell words?! No matter how it was put in words, Chiyo referred strictly at Sakura taking that sword for her.

How many times Sakura talked about she not being good enough to do something for Naruto?

The Chiyo's part can also be interpreted as her being less reckless.

The central aspect is that what did impacted Sakura more was her own words during the bridge where Naruto turn into 4 tails and later during the summit where she pratically repeat the same words.

The fact is that helping Naruto and not being useless is more important and had more meaning than Chiyo's words where she basically said that she could not be reckless.

 

Sakura also expresses the very same feeling that she had during the summit and the bridge when she's healing Naruto on 663 on not wanting to fail.
I doubt that Sakura will sacrifice her life because i doubt that she has any jutsus like Chiyo and the fact that her sacrifice leads to nowhere, because the message was already delivered on Neji's sacrifice.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 15 February 2014 - 01:03 AM.

[Otaru]

2. Infinite Tsukiyomi activates, neither one is up. Except Naruto and Sakura are stuck together. Almost like how Road to Ninja happened.

 

I think something like this will not happen in the manga.

I think the movie was to fill that, because otherwise, the fans would never be able to see what Tsukuyomi could be like.

I might be wrong, but I have the feeling it can't happen in the canon story because it would ruin all the alliance efforts to stay in the real world.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

 

I think something like this will not happen in the manga.

I think the movie was to fill that, because otherwise, the fans would never be able to see what Tsukuyomi could be like.

I might be wrong, but I have the feeling it can't happen in the canon story because it would ruin all the alliance efforts to stay in the real world.

They would not be able to escape if it happens.

it will be mostly like Shaman King.

[al0eaz]

I've read too many theories on too many pages in too short of a time to remember if this was brought up, but does anyone think it's possible dark kurama will be able to overpower black zetsu's will and emerge? I'm not sure if black zetsu will be able to hold back dark kurama if he puts forth all his effort into over coming him..

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

To be fair, Darkest, Chatte has a point. Chiyo's dying words to Sakura about protecting those most important to her instead of a stranger was more overt than just "Don't be reckless". That scene had a lot of meaning so it could be foreshadowing.  But you also have a point too. One of Sakura's underlying insecurities is feeling that no matter what she does for Naruto, it will either make things worse or still be "small and insignificant." However, that argument can also contribute to how Sakura worries she doesn't do enough for him and ends up giving her life for him. I can picture Sakura putting herself down for Madara stealing the Yin Kurama, causing her to get distraught and desperate enough to pull out a jutsu with her new seal to try to save him since giving him CPR and pumping his heart won't work forever.

 

Even if it does happen, Sakura won't stay dead. There's too much foreshadowing around her being the Kushina to Naruto's Minato and her importance to T7. The haters may believe she would get killed off for good, but she won't. They simply just want to believe that. And while the sentiment behind a Sakura sacrifice shows so much growth, I feel like doing this now isn't the best option. There's no real purpose for it. It's an unnecessary scene. Not only that, but I find Sakura having a jutsu that sacrifices her only life all of a sudden bad writing. I'm still not satisfied with the way Kishi wrote her new abilities and I don't want more bad writing.

Edited by xxRomanceGirlxx, 15 February 2014 - 02:10 AM.

[Otaru]

I've read too many theories on too many pages in too short of a time to remember if this was brought up, but does anyone think it's possible dark kurama will be able to overpower black zetsu's will and emerge? I'm not sure if black zetsu will be able to hold back dark kurama if he puts forth all his effort into over coming him..

 

Hey it's a great idea... maybe it's possible... that could be interesting !

 

 

 I'm still not satisfied with the way Kishi wrote her new abilities and I don't want more bad writing.

 

The fact is he gave her those new abilities a little too late in the story. He should have given it to her sooner...

Edited by Otaru, 15 February 2014 - 02:19 AM.

[al0eaz]

 
Hey it's a great idea...

I just don't know enough about how it cold work to bring up any real, valid, points to support the idea.

[ramenanmitsu]

So many people seems to like the idea of Sakura sacrificing her life for Naruto (except for SasuSaku fans). Do people find this idea romantic?

I don't find it romantic at all. Look through how much pain and loneliness Naruto had to go through because his parents did just that. I remember what Sasuke said as very true, "How can you understand the feelings of losing somebody when you didn't have anybody in the first place." Naruto felt the loneliness because nobody was there for him, but he didn't understand the despair of losing somebody because he didn't lose or have that somebody yet (this is before Jiraiya). This is very true, because how can you understand the sadness of losing a wife when you never really had one? You will feel loneliness of not having one, but you won't know the pain of losing one.

Now Sakura is that somebody, who has been there with him most of his life supporting him, he's the girl he wants to protect. Sakura doing a Chiyo is the same thing as putting Naruto in a life of despair and sadness. If a girl you love traded her life to save you, who would want to live such a life?

Sakura doing a Chiyo is different to Naruto protecting Sakura with his life against his fight with Gaara. Naruto had to live, because in order to protect Sakura he had to survive no matter what. Sakura aggressively trading her life for Naruto is her actively giving up on her own life. It's an act of suicide and it causes great pain to the one that was forced to come back alive from that.

Since inferno has already explained how this theory is impossible from the plot standpoint, I wanted to point out the emotional aspect of this theory.

Edited by ramenanmitsu, 15 February 2014 - 02:33 AM.

[Otaru]

@ramenanmitsu

 

I think Sakura is totally the sacrifice type. She could do that for Naruto. The background in the manga says so.

If this would happen, I'm sure Sakura wouldn't be dead forever.

 

Right now, I really don't see how they will save Naruto.

Maybe Kishi will make a big convenient asspull with Kin/Gin brothers...

Maybe Kishi will take another route...

Maybe he will choose to make Sakura shine a lot more by unleashing something strong to save Naruto, some power, I don't know... but she doesn't have chakra anymore, what can she do ? She can't unleash her seal because her chakra reserve must be near to be just empty...

Maybe someone could give her chakra to finish to heal Naruto but it will not work because Kurama was taken from him.

It's really a mess... and I think if Sakura somewhat has managed to learn Chiyo's jutsu by herself, she would use it without hesitation to save Naruto. Because she blames herself very strongly about Naruto, and because she already almost gave up her life to free Naruto of Sasuke. I mean, come on. When she went to kill Sasuke back then, she knew she could be killed...

 

If she would do that, then she would be proved to care very strongly about Naruto.

Maybe it's what Kishimoto wants to prove. Because there is still Sakura haters everywhere and so many fans have failed to see the real Sakura...

 

EDIT : I almost forgot to answer your question... to me, yes it's romantic. Can't you remember "Seven pounds" with Will Smith ? It is the peak of romance. So heartbreaking...
Moreover, the perception of "love" is really different in Japan. I've read many books about that, and it seems japanese love dramatic stories. This reason is also why I still fear that Kishi would do SasuSaku... =/

Edited by Otaru, 15 February 2014 - 02:55 AM.

[Inferno180]

Sakura should be okay in the end, I mean Naruto needs a chance to confess to her, team 7 needs a good ending, how can it just end in a sacrifice? Really its only the aspect of a temporary death that would just make for more drama, but I really think kishi should just skip this and things should only be on the recovery, I mean the climax chapter is usually 7 or 8 of the volume, so this next chapter or 2 weeks later we will see the notion of naruto's recovery. But even when everyone is saying Chiyos words, I can see her taking a hit for naruto in the situation when he recovers from the new plan, but again I stress, Sakura reviving naruto wouldn't solve his lack of power as well now would it? This is why I'm speculating naruto's recovery is by either yin kurama or the brothers chakra. Like Yin Kurama, the brothers should in theory, work as well in not only recovering him but also bringing back a sort of power up again like before madara extracted kurama.

 

I mean to me, the Sakura sacrifice event, I really only see it having like a 10% chance of it coming, everything else, Yin kurama is still on the table, while behind that its the pot solution of the brothers, this really all depends on what madara does and how the pots are used. I mean given Madara did land in the worst spot possible, he is obviously after Obito, seeing Naruto's condition and sakura trying to heal them, I would assume he would well just leave them alone, even he has shown he doesn't just strike down anyone. Besides as said before, Madara is arrogant, he would most likely consider sakura not important as she is trying to keep naruto alive. I mean unlike any recent chapters, this one can go so many ways. Really it would be big if sakura did sacrifice herself, but it would be very very sudden and really it poses the most risk to the story considering how much development has been invested in sakura and just how bad it really would be, even on NH if sakura died for good. If madara had not spit out the pots, I would suspect this more, but the pots are really the suspicious one right now.

 

However there could be one other event we may not have realized, what if Black Zetsu is unable to control Yin Kurama, I mean its happened to other jinchurki? What if Yin Kurama just leads an overload on him? This goes hand in hand with that possible triple irony.

Edited by Inferno180, 15 February 2014 - 02:53 AM.

[Otaru]

Sakura should be okay in the end, I mean Naruto needs a chance to confess to her, team 7 needs a good ending, how can it just end in a sacrifice? Really its only the aspect of a temporary death that would just make for more drama, but I really think kishi should just skip this and things should only be on the recovery, I mean the climax chapter is usually 7 or 8 of the volume, so this next chapter or 2 weeks later we will see the notion of naruto's recovery. But even when everyone is saying Chiyos words, I can see her taking a hit for naruto in the situation when he recovers from the new plan, but again I stress, Sakura reviving naruto wouldn't solve his lack of power as well now would it? This is why I'm speculating naruto's recovery is by either yin kurama or the brothers chakra. Like Yin Kurama, the brothers should in theory, work as well in not only recovering him but also bringing back a sort of power up again like before madara extracted kurama.

 

I mean to me, the Sakura sacrifice event, I really only see it having like a 10% chance of it coming, everything else, Yin kurama is still on the table, while behind that its the pot solution of the brothers, this really all depends on what madara does and how the pots are used. I mean given Madara did land in the worst spot possible, he is obviously after Obito, seeing Naruto's condition and sakura trying to heal them, I would assume he would well just leave them alone, even he has shown he doesn't just strike down anyone. Besides as said before, Madara is arrogant, he would most likely consider sakura not important as she is trying to keep naruto alive. I mean unlike any recent chapters, this one can go so many ways. Really it would be big if sakura did sacrifice herself, but it would be very very sudden and really it poses the most risk to the story considering how much development has been invested in sakura and just how bad it really would be, even on NH if sakura died for good. If madara had not spit out the pots, I would suspect this more, but the pots are really the suspicious one right now.

 

However there could be one other event we may not have realized, what if Black Zetsu is unable to control Yin Kurama, I mean its happened to other jinchurki? What if Yin Kurama just leads an overload on him? This goes hand in hand with that possible triple irony.

 

You're right at this point in the volume, the two remaining chapters should be centred on Naruto's recovery, and maybe power up.

 

I really need 665 chapter my brain is gonna crack LOL

 

This situation so far is the worst ever since the beginning of this manga.

 

I'm not really sure if Sakura will sacrifice herself, doing Chiyo's technique or something like that.

But it's still a possibility. And the point I was arguing for, was to say that Sakura could very well do something like that for Naruto. I mean, sacrifice herself.

 

Right now, I want her to save Naruto.

I want her to save him, or at least do something badass again because he will need something stronger than "just" CPR and heart massage, because this is lasting for too long.

I want her tu succeed in some way, because I want her to get rid of this low opinion she has on herself.

And I want someone to praise her later on, like Gaara of Minato.

 

EDIT : I just thought of something... maybe Kakashi could Kamui BZ and then take back Yin Kurama in some way...

Edited by Otaru, 15 February 2014 - 03:11 AM.

[Awes9]

I see everyone talk about Sakura, Kakashi and even Obito but I think the one who will get the biggest role in saving Naruto will be Minato. He just promised in this chapter to his wife that he would protect his son I don't see Kishi making him fail he just already did that but this chapter sets up the stage for Minato's ultimate sacrifice. At the same time if we look at the last chapter's name and this one both reflect words from Minato and Sakura, that's why I really hope it will be a combo between Minato and Sakura which will save Naruto I just don't know how they will do it. Bonus point if we get a scene like in RTN where Naruto has to say goodbye to his father and Sakura is just behind watching him and being all emotional, wouldn't it be cool ? a fangirl can dream.

I would like for Naruto too to never get back Kurama even if he gains an asspull powerup to make for this loss.

[arian_rad]

Is there a translation for kushina's line about girls in Naruto's life?

[megi]

I dislike the whole trope honestly, and I've always been against Sakura being fatally wounded/dying for Naruto or anyone else. Naruto is the one who will feel the pain of losing Sakura. He then is the one who changes/acts. Besides Naruto has more chance of living if Sakura is living too, given the circumstance.

Is there a translation for kushina's line about girls in Naruto's life?

Insensitive about a woman's heart.
I believe that line is what you are talking about.
女心もどんかん

Edited by megi, 15 February 2014 - 08:30 AM.

[redragon88]

Insensitive about a woman's heart.
I believe that line is what you are talking about.
女心もどんかん

 

Would you see it as reference towards Sakura, Hinata, or both.

 

I think it would lean more towards only Sakura since she has the recurring theme of having a complicated heart.

[咲耶姫]

 

Would you see it as reference towards Sakura, Hinata, or both.

 

I think it would lean more towards only Sakura since she has the recurring theme of having a complicated heart.

Personnaly, I would say it's more in general, because it could aslo be translated as "clueless about woman's heart/feelings/psychology" so it's like what Jiaraya told at the bginning of part 1 "he doesn't understand women". 

女心 means "woman's heart/psychology/instincts"

も means "also"

どんかん means "thickheadedness/insensistive"

So you can make your own translation and see how you can interpret it, because at the end, everyone interpret it as he wants.

But really to me, it's more like "he doesn't understand women's way of working"

[Hiraishin]

So many people seems to like the idea of Sakura sacrificing her life for Naruto (except for SasuSaku fans). Do people find this idea romantic?

I don't find it romantic at all. Look through how much pain and loneliness Naruto had to go through because his parents did just that. I remember what Sasuke said as very true, "How can you understand the feelings of losing somebody when you didn't have anybody in the first place." Naruto felt the loneliness because nobody was there for him, but he didn't understand the despair of losing somebody because he didn't lose or have that somebody yet (this is before Jiraiya). This is very true, because how can you understand the sadness of losing a wife when you never really had one? You will feel loneliness of not having one, but you won't know the pain of losing one.

Now Sakura is that somebody, who has been there with him most of his life supporting him, he's the girl he wants to protect. Sakura doing a Chiyo is the same thing as putting Naruto in a life of despair and sadness. If a girl you love traded her life to save you, who would want to live such a life?

Sakura doing a Chiyo is different to Naruto protecting Sakura with his life against his fight with Gaara. Naruto had to live, because in order to protect Sakura he had to survive no matter what. Sakura aggressively trading her life for Naruto is her actively giving up on her own life. It's an act of suicide and it causes great pain to the one that was forced to come back alive from that.

Since inferno has already explained how this theory is impossible from the plot standpoint, I wanted to point out the emotional aspect of this theory.

I definitely understand where you're coming from. But, like, if Sakura were to use Chiyo's jutsu while Naruto was still alive, she wouldn't die. And if she were to die (from taking an attack for Naruto or something), it definitely wouldn't be permanent.

I wouldn't mind such a scene, honestly. It would show Sakura's love and dedication to Naruto... Not that we haven't already seen it, but that kind of stuff has a huge impact. Sakura doing something big like that for Naruto was sort of foreshadowed by Chiyo's words, too (and I know that the word used means help, but in that moment Chiyo was obviously talking about the sword attack Sakura took for her, and if it weren't for the life transfer jutsu she would have died).

Regardless, though, I think Sakura using Chiyo's jutsu in the first place is unlikely. I do wonder how they'll save Naruto though... mouth-to-mouth and cardiac massage can only be effective for so long.

[itsmesakura]

I love Kushina and Minato's interaction... Hehehehe...

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

So many people seems to like the idea of Sakura sacrificing her life for Naruto (except for SasuSaku fans). Do people find this idea romantic?

I don't find it romantic at all. Look through how much pain and loneliness Naruto had to go through because his parents did just that. I remember what Sasuke said as very true, "How can you understand the feelings of losing somebody when you didn't have anybody in the first place." Naruto felt the loneliness because nobody was there for him, but he didn't understand the despair of losing somebody because he didn't lose or have that somebody yet (this is before Jiraiya). This is very true, because how can you understand the sadness of losing a wife when you never really had one? You will feel loneliness of not having one, but you won't know the pain of losing one.

Now Sakura is that somebody, who has been there with him most of his life supporting him, he's the girl he wants to protect. Sakura doing a Chiyo is the same thing as putting Naruto in a life of despair and sadness. If a girl you love traded her life to save you, who would want to live such a life?

Sakura doing a Chiyo is different to Naruto protecting Sakura with his life against his fight with Gaara. Naruto had to live, because in order to protect Sakura he had to survive no matter what. Sakura aggressively trading her life for Naruto is her actively giving up on her own life. It's an act of suicide and it causes great pain to the one that was forced to come back alive from that.

Since inferno has already explained how this theory is impossible from the plot standpoint, I wanted to point out the emotional aspect of this theory.

Agree only disagree with the last parts, Naruto already felt that pain before and it's not the point but how he said that he would endure whatever it takes to go forwards, in a way Neji's sacrifice nullify the effects of the sacrifice from Sakura.

He will keep going forward because Sakura will be just one of the people who sacrificed their lives for Naruto to succeed, she will be alongside Neji, Minato, Kushina, Jiraiya, Itachi, Pain and etc...

She wont have her own place.

 

Also according to XRomanceGirlX if Sakura has to sacrifice is because she accepts the fact that she cant do much about Naruto, sacrifice is always a desperated move on an difficult situation.

If she cant bring Naruto back with her powers or help him somehow and has to sacrifice is because she accepts that she's useless to Naruto.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 15 February 2014 - 11:03 AM.