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[TouKen4Life3g]

yep i agree, Sasuke  believes things that are totally the opposite to Naruto's beliefs.

 

Sasuke is selfish, doesnt care about others, wanted to be kage without acknowledgement, wanted to destroy the bijuus, wants to kill him and etc...

He always oppose to Naruto and that's what make him a villain, it's already proved due to Obito's words when he talked about Sasuke that even winning the war is meaningless if he doesnt convert Sasuke.

 

The villain is the one who fills up the role of antagonist, the whole story unfolds around a battle between them, just like Hashirama and Madara.

 

Obito was never an antagonist and neither Madara.

Strong statement at the end, but you know, it's one of the few reasons why Sasuke is hard to convert because of his early growth of hatred, rather how many got some connection before losing themselves. I guess that's why Naruto regretted not able to talk to Sasuke first hand, and now, he's corrupted.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Strong statement at the end, but you know, it's one of the few reasons why Sasuke is hard to convert because of his early growth of hatred, rather how many got some connection before losing themselves. I guess that's why Naruto regretted not able to talk to Sasuke first hand, and now, he's corrupted.

Yes, and even then Obito and Madara doesnt have an impact of a final villain they look like obstacles or even serving as setups, they clarified what is a shinobi world and while Obito affects Naruto, Madara affects Sasuke.
Sasuke is a symbol of this whole hatred thing, he's like the last one, he's the last uchiha that's why he's the final villain due to the opposition and what Sasuke represent.

 

Sasuke is the only corrupted of this generation who still walks this path.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 19 October 2013 - 12:59 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Yes, and even then Obito and Madara doesnt have an impact of a final villain they look like obstacles or even serving as setups, they clarified what is a shinobi world and while Obito affects Naruto, Madara affects Sasuke.
Sasuke is a symbol of this whole hatred thing, he's like the last one, he's the last uchiha that's why he's the final villain due to the opposition and what Sasuke represent.

 

Sasuke is the only corrupted of this generation who still walks this path.

Exactly. That was the point of Tobi's speech to Naruto back in the last arc that Sasuke has chose this path and it's never about being manipulated, it's about what he truly desire. The more he go for darkness, the more he becomes uncaring to every single one.

[morgaine4]

I think I'm a little late to the party, regardless, I'm going to add my irrelevant two cents.

 

The notion that this recent chapter indicates that Naruto doesn't care about Sakura enough to include her, or doesn't trust her enough to include into the group of "shadow-clone-friends" is entirely ridiculous.  We already saw how much Naruto trusts her when Sakura delivered the speech that was partially dedicated to explaining to the entire world what Naruto was thinking.  At that point Sakura didn't feel the need to consult Naruto, and Naruto didn't feel the need to even confirm what Sakura was saying.  We must remember that Japanese culture (like many Asian cultures) is a family first culture, and in such cultures it's nearly impossible for a "friend" to reach the station of "family" (especially when said friend is an opposite sex friend), also in such cultures speaking for someone is incredibly intimate.  It is something that that is done by parents (especially if the child is unmarried), by especially close teachers, by siblings (in certain situations), and by spouses.  Sakura has already been designated a role that's beyond friendship, it frankly would make absolutely no sense whatsoever for her to then be included amongst Naruto's 9 tails, Naruto's 9 friends.  Now, I'm not sure why anyone would want Sakura to be included amongst the Shadow-clone-friends, but the notion that it indicates that he doesn't care for or trust her is preposterous.  The manga shouldn't be analyzed on chapter by chapter basis, this manga shouldn't be analyzed on a volume by volume basis, rather it should be analyzed in terms of its entirety.  Kishi already designated a role far beyond "friend" to Sakura when she delivered her speech, and when he had Naruto indicate in what manner we should think of Sakura at this point.  This shouldn't even be a debate as culturally speaking friends and family would not at all be considered interchangeable (except under very specific circumstances).

Edited by morgaine4, 19 October 2013 - 02:40 AM.

[T XD]

There were people who were saying that Sakura wasn't in this chapter's attack with Naruto's friends is cause he doesn't care about her or trusts her ?!

 

What does it have to do with care or trust ? We already know that he cares about Sakura a lot and trusts her. The manga is full of this. The latest chapters alone are enough...

 

Sakura isn't just his friend, which I'm sure we all know this from what the entirety of this manga is presenting and showing us, so she wasn't included in this attack of friendship. Not to mention that she had a task at hand with Tsunade, so she won't leave and go just like that.

 

Nitpicking at every detail in a single chapter alone won't do any good.

Edited by T XD, 19 October 2013 - 08:37 AM.

[ramenanmitsu]

I think I'm a little late to the party, regardless, I'm going to add my irrelevant two cents.

 

The notion that this recent chapter indicates that Naruto doesn't care about Sakura enough to include her, or doesn't trust her enough to include into the group of "shadow-clone-friends" is entirely ridiculous.  We already saw how much Naruto trusts her when Sakura delivered the speech that was partially dedicated to explaining to the entire world what Naruto was thinking.  At that point Sakura didn't feel the need to consult Naruto, and Naruto didn't feel the need to even confirm what Sakura was saying.  We must remember that Japanese culture (like many Asian cultures) is a family first culture, and in such cultures it's nearly impossible for a "friend" to reach the station of "family" (especially when said friend is an opposite sex friend), also in such cultures speaking for someone is incredibly intimate.  It is something that that is done by parents (especially if the child is unmarried), by especially close teachers, by siblings (in certain situations), and by spouses.  Sakura has already been designated a role that's beyond friendship, it frankly would make absolutely no sense whatsoever for her to then be included amongst Naruto's 9 tails, Naruto's 9 friends.  Now, I'm not sure why anyone would want Sakura to be included amongst the Shadow-clone-friends, but the notion that it indicates that he doesn't care for or trust her is preposterous.  The manga shouldn't be analyzed on chapter by chapter basis, this manga shouldn't be analyzed on a volume by volume basis, rather it should be analyzed in terms of its entirety.  Kishi already designated a role far beyond "friend" to Sakura when she delivered her speech, and when he had Naruto indicate in what manner we should think of Sakura at this point.  This shouldn't even be a debate as culturally speaking friends and family would not at all be considered interchangeable (except under very specific circumstances).

Great Post! I wrote about how Sakura couldn't join as Naruto's dog friend from the battle perspective. You explained it very wonderfully from the story perspective which I couldn't have said it myself. 

[James S Cassidy]

I have to ask, how many think this actually officially declares "Naruto friendzones Hinata?"

Edited by James S Cassidy, 19 October 2013 - 11:56 AM.

[Torxe]

I have to ask, how many think this actually officially declares "Naruto friendzones Hinata?"

I do

[TouKen4Life3g]

I have to ask, how many think this actually officially declares "Naruto friendzones Hinata?"

I do. It's funny, if Hinata wasn't convincing enough, ask Naruto.

[Hanabi]

I have to ask, how many think this actually officially declares "Naruto friendzones Hinata?"

631 made it clear enough.

[Tokura Misaki]

I have to ask, how many think this actually officially declares "Naruto friendzones Hinata?"

 

I do, since the beginning. 

[ramenanmitsu]

I have to ask, how many think this actually officially declares "Naruto friendzones Hinata?"

Do too. Well we already got Hinata friend-zoned moment in Ch. 631. This is the second time. It's nearly overkill. Maybe the third time, we'd have Naruto speaking to Hinata, "Yo! Hinata! I'm so glad to have such a great friend like you!" without any ill intentions from Naruto's side. 

Edited by ramenanmitsu, 19 October 2013 - 01:17 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I do think this one pretty much solidify it, rather than "Well I do think Naruto sees Hinata differently." This one really nails it. It also make it more obvious when connecting with Obito's imagination, which coincidentally (or not?) have only his friends with no Rin, his love.

[Darkness]

I have to ask, how many think this actually officially declares "Naruto friendzones Hinata?"

 

For me it is yet another evidence confirming what had already been confirmed.

 

An evidence of the evident.

Edited by Darkness, 19 October 2013 - 02:48 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

 
For me it is yet another evidence confirming what had already been confirmed.
 
An evidence of the evident.

That's a nice way to put it.

[Luna]

When NS happens I wonder how many people will start  registering for this site.

[TouKen4Life3g]

When NS happens I wonder how many people will start  registering for this site.

That depends on your meaning. Is basher included?

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 19 October 2013 - 04:19 PM.

[Luna]

That depends on your meaning. Is basher included?

No bashers....The ones that jumped ship.. and judging from this chapter hinata is most likely friendzoned.

[TouKen4Life3g]

No bashers....The ones that jumped ship.. and judging from this chapter hinata is most likely friendzoned.

I was kidding but yeah, I know. I find it astounding that we got more new members at NF after 615 was released. Now, I feel like I fully understand them even though I always have. It's just that new feeling I suppose.

[Luna]

I was kidding but yeah, I know. I find it astounding that we got more new members at NF after 615 was released. Now, I feel like I fully understand them even though I always have. It's just that new feeling I suppose.

 I think people are slowly realizing NaruSaku , as I have been watching videos on YouTube a bit of shippers saying NS will happen.