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[TouKen4Life3g]

Didn't KN4 incident proves that not all the time it can heal rapidly. Medic is always required.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

The thing is Kurama's chakra gives you a boost and protection and that's about it. But the deeper wounds cannot be healed because if you remember, it took Sakura to indeed heal Kakashi and Shizune to heal Gai to be able to fight back properly.
So from this point of view Sakura's healing > Kurama rejuvenation.

Kurama said he was going to heal gai later but worn out of chakra because Juubi attacked him.

 

@narusaku4life

Naruto wasnt controlling the kyuubi at that time and her chakra was doing the inverse, causing damage to Naruto's body.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 30 August 2013 - 02:54 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Kurama said he was going to heal gai later but worn out of chakra because Juubi attacked him.

 

@narusaku4life

Naruto wasnt controlling the kyuubi at that time and her chakra was doing the inverse, causing damage to Naruto's body.

Got it. It makes sense that she said what she does is so small for him.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Got it. It makes sense that she said what she does is so small for him.

She only does small things when she underestimate herself, Sasori's arc is a proof that she can do greater things, it's good that she showed her healing skills but judging by her ability she can inflict damage on Obito, but no we got Sasuke there doing nothing.

 

Her super strenght indeed can harm Obito just like Naruto's Sage mode, Sakura is strong indeed i just wish Kishi explore more of her offensive capabilities rather than keep being support all the times, Tsunade is coming and i hope that Tsunade takes the healing position and let Sakura kick ass.

 

That's the problem she has  super strenght, maybe even a high speed, but what's the point of having those if she doesnt use it.

Imagine Naruto learning rasengan and doesnt use it.

she's a great character and the most strong kunoichi out there but he doesnt make use of it.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 30 August 2013 - 03:02 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

She only does small things when she underestimate herself, Sasori's arc is a proof that she can do greater things, it's good that she showed her healing skills but judging by her ability she can inflict damage on Obito, but no we got Sasuke there doing nothing.

 

Her super strenght indeed can harm Obito just like Naruto's Sage mode, Sakura is strong indeed i just wish Kishi explore more of her offensive capabilities rather than keep being support all the times, Tsunade is coming and i hope that Tsunade takes the healing position and let Sakura kick ass.

I agree. Sasuke is there for, from my pov, witnessing feat of Naruto and yeah, not looking for him.

 

Also, it's not over yet. Obito is still starting and this volume is more of Minato's development to understand his faults and hopes. Naruto is bonding with him, so pretty much that's what this volume has been. Next volume, well, we'll see soon enough.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 30 August 2013 - 03:04 PM.

[Psychox]

She only does small things when she underestimate herself, Sasori's arc is a proof that she can do greater things, it's good that she showed her healing skills but judging by her ability she can inflict damage on Obito, but no we got Sasuke there doing nothing.

 

Her super strenght indeed can harm Obito just like Naruto's Sage mode, Sakura is strong indeed i just wish Kishi explore more of her offensive capabilities rather than keep being support all the times, Tsunade is coming and i hope that Tsunade takes the healing position and let Sakura kick ass.

That's what the majority of us is waiting/hoping for ^^, it will shut tight the mouth of the haters for good , because I'm  sick and tired of going around forums reading ''she is useless'' dafuq ...

Naruto and Sakura have proved to be working good together so that is very likely to happen , so indeed if Tsunade comes she can take over the healing job just for Sakura to jump in and fight .

Whenever she does something big its either ignored or she gets bashed just to make others look good and that's just incomprehensible, that's why i agree with James .

Edited by Psychox, 30 August 2013 - 03:06 PM.

[Codus N]

To be fair, that is his body. Maybe if Naruto can share the amount of what he has now, it could heal a lot, but this one is just chakra sharing that only you can make it look strong.

 

Hmm.... I guess that could work too. And like I said, it's not completely out of the realm of possibility since he's done it before. Who's to say he can't regenerate wounds for others like he did that one time with Naruto? But that's just me. 

 

 

Would not the question then be is Kurama healing's someone that he does not reside inferior to healing the person he resides in? Also, then, it took a combination for Kakashi and Gai...which was more important? The manga doesn't say.

 

Which is better is probably dependent on the specific task that needs to be accomplished. 

 

 

 

 

In my view, this fandom is not significantly different. It just has the opposite problem. It convulses everytime someone says something negative to the point where I wonder how much hell I'll catch if I say something bad. Not to mention, how I see people constantly twist everything Hinata does into an insult.

 

Well said, Nate *claps* well said (we need a clapping emoticon at some point here). And I agree with your first point. I think that's the real question we need to ask concerning the healing abilities of the medic-nins and Kurama.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Who knows, but maybe later it will show if medic is needed at this time.

 

Here's a question: nobody still can't touch Obito, right?

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Who knows, but maybe later it will show if medic is needed at this time.

 

Here's a question: nobody still can't touch Obito, right?

Obito's immune to ninjutsu, so Naruto SSM and Sakura can harm him along with any taijutsu user.

 

 

My concern is when the chakra's that the other bijuus give to Naruto will play a role.

And also i feel that Bee receiving Kurama's chakra cloak a bit exagerated.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 30 August 2013 - 03:12 PM.

[Codus N]

Obito's immune to ninjutsu, so Naruto SSM and Sakura can harm him along with any taijutsu user.

 

Probably. But isn't getting too close to him would be detrimental? those black balls hovering around him can not only negate ninjutsu but also acts like Jinton, eradicating everything at a molecular level.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

 

Probably. But isn't getting too close to him would be detrimental? those black balls hovering around him can not only negate ninjutsu but also acts like Jinton, eradicating everything at a molecular level.

Everything has a weakness i believe this Jinton also has one, if it can eradicate everything could this ability be used against him?

 

Also i believe that the alliance will interfere on the Hashi/Madara fight so Hashirama will be able to help naruto.
Since kishi spoiled that the bijuus will come out from Obito and they will win.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 30 August 2013 - 03:16 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

So pretty much everyone can't touch him still. Well, with exceptions. I feel like Obito will go through one more change.

[James S Cassidy]

In my view, this fandom is not significantly different. It just has the opposite problem. It convulses everytime someone says something negative to the point where I wonder how much hell I'll catch if I say something bad. Not to mention, how I see people constantly twist everything Hinata does into an insult.

You wonder where the lines are drawn between favoritism and actual criticism. Even in our own NS fanbase; why so much hate for Sakura? Okay, people don't have to like everything, but come on there is some criticism that really is totally uncalled for or downright what I call "nitpicking." What's even worse is when you have hypocrites who don't even use the same logic for other characters that have done the exact same thing or even at times did stuff far worse.

Why is Obito considered pathetic because of his love for Rin, but Sasuke is considered heartfelt because of his love Itachi? Why is Sakura being picked on for being Sasuke obsessive in part 1, but Hinata's obsession throughout the entire manga with Naruto is considered cute?

You just can't hold everything against one character and then not hold it against another for whatever reason. Isn't that true bias? People call me biased all the time and while I do show some favoritism to Sakura at times I don't just hand wave her mistakes and proclaim that she is flawless. In fact, I use her mistakes to show that she is a well rounded character who makes mistakes, is not flawless, and grows from those mistakes. Proclaiming that a character is flawless when clearly they are not is just downright blindness.

I think that is the main difference I see and it is really bothering me as of late. I am not asking people to like or hate a character I like or hate or agree with the way I think...I am merely asking that people judge characters with the same fairness. If you hate obsessive characters then you have to apply that logic to all characters that show obsession.

Like, let's take this healing factor to a radical discussion. If Naruto can just heal by sharing chakra, why need any medical-nin at all? I guess that makes Tsunade, Sakura, Karin, and Shizune pointless. Why do they need hospitals then? Surely they can just have Naruto sitting in a chair and whenever someone comes in and "boop" healed like some kind of ninja Jesus.

It's just as bad as when people say "Batman can beat Superman because...he is Batman."
 

[Strangelove]

 

Probably. But isn't getting too close to him would be detrimental? those black balls hovering around him can not only negate ninjutsu but also acts like Jinton, eradicating everything at a molecular level.

 

Exactly...and don't forget that Sakura's super strength only comes from her releasing chakra into her palms, so if she attacks now, not only will it be pointless as her chakra will be negated thus taking away most of her strength, but also detrimental as she will probably loose a limb in the process. The only way is senjutsu,

[Codus N]

Everything has a weakness i believe this Jinton also has one, if it can eradicate everything could this ability be used against him?

 

Also i believe that the alliance will interfere on the Hashi/Madara fight so Hashirama will be able to help naruto.
Since kishi spoiled that the bijuus will come out from Obito and they will win.

 

Good job quoting Itachi

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

You wonder where the lines are drawn between favoritism and actual criticism. Even in our own NS fanbase; why so much hate for Sakura? Okay, people don't have to like everything, but come on there is some criticism that really is totally uncalled for or downright what I call "nitpicking." What's even worse is when you have hypocrites who don't even use the same logic for other characters that have done the exact same thing or even at times did stuff far worse.

Why is Obito considered pathetic because of his love for Rin, but Sasuke is considered heartfelt because of his love Itachi? Why is Sakura being picked on for being Sasuke obsessive in part 1, but Hinata's obsession throughout the entire manga with Naruto is considered cute?

You just can't hold everything against one character and then not hold it against another for whatever reason. Isn't that true bias? People call me biased all the time and while I do show some favoritism to Sakura at times I don't just hand wave her mistakes and proclaim that she is flawless. In fact, I use her mistakes to show that she is a well rounded character who makes mistakes, is not flawless, and grows from those mistakes. Proclaiming that a character is flawless when clearly they are not is just downright blindness.

I think that is the main difference I see and it is really bothering me as of late. I am not asking people to like or hate a character I like or hate or agree with the way I think...I am merely asking that people judge characters with the same fairness. If you hate obsessive characters then you have to apply that logic to all characters that show obsession.

Like, let's take this healing factor to a radical discussion. If Naruto can just heal by sharing chakra, why need any medical-nin at all? I guess that makes Tsunade, Sakura, Karin, and Shizune pointless. Why do they need hospitals then? Surely they can just have Naruto sitting in a chair and whenever someone comes in and "boop" healed like some kind of ninja Jesus.

It's just as bad as when people say "Batman can beat Superman because...he is Batman."
 

i hate how Kishi handles her sometimes, there are moment where she can shine greater but discarded, she viewed herself like she's reached them but only Naruto and Sasuke are there fighting and she's was the background sharing screentime with no one less than Hinata. 

I hate wasted potential.

example she had only one chapter to showcase her abilities and remember how much time she got sidelined on this war arc, we got almost 1 year without her having an appearance.

 

Take other characters like Lee, he didnt even had a fight, Neji too and only did one thing on Shippuuden : Die., Ino being downgraded "My love for Sasuke is more important than my friends" ( dafuq is that).

I like Sakura's super strenght and her powerup but why dont showcase more of it?

 

About Sasuke, his character and motivations is ridiculous, i said many and many times, he wont be a good villain if Itachi is his only motivation, we got that talk with kages but still Itachi is his motivation, his purpose is to oppose Naruto but it's so bad written that it can clearly see that it's forced.

 

I love Sakura and her abilities but it's lacking a situation were she's extremely necessary, some key role where she does something greater like Sasori's fight.(where she took down an akatsuki and learned where Orochimaru was hiding).

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 30 August 2013 - 03:29 PM.

[Psychox]

You wonder where the lines are drawn between favoritism and actual criticism. Even in our own NS fanbase; why so much hate for Sakura? Okay, people don't have to like everything, but come on there is some criticism that really is totally uncalled for or downright what I call "nitpicking." What's even worse is when you have hypocrites who don't even use the same logic for other characters that have done the exact same thing or even at times did stuff far worse.

Why is Obito considered pathetic because of his love for Rin, but Sasuke is considered heartfelt because of his love Itachi? Why is Sakura being picked on for being Sasuke obsessive in part 1, but Hinata's obsession throughout the entire manga with Naruto is considered cute?

You just can't hold everything against one character and then not hold it against another for whatever reason. Isn't that true bias? People call me biased all the time and while I do show some favoritism to Sakura at times I don't just hand wave her mistakes and proclaim that she is flawless. In fact, I use her mistakes to show that she is a well rounded character who makes mistakes, is not flawless, and grows from those mistakes. Proclaiming that a character is flawless when clearly they are not is just downright blindness.

I think that is the main difference I see and it is really bothering me as of late. I am not asking people to like or hate a character I like or hate or agree with the way I think...I am merely asking that people judge characters with the same fairness. If you hate obsessive characters then you have to apply that logic to all characters that show obsession.

Like, let's take this healing factor to a radical discussion. If Naruto can just heal by sharing chakra, why need any medical-nin at all? I guess that makes Tsunade, Sakura, Karin, and Shizune pointless. Why do they need hospitals then? Surely they can just have Naruto sitting in a chair and whenever someone comes in and "boop" healed like some kind of ninja Jesus.

It's just as bad as when people say "Batman can beat Superman because...he is Batman."
 

Exactly , people have  to be objective about it and not over hype characters who haven't contributed anything  for the main plot or the romance sub plot ..

Sasuke is no different either , he suffered the most he deserves healing yada yada , Naruto can go and die in a dark corner, which brings the question ..

Better to have felt love and lost or never to have felt anything at all?

Edited by Psychox, 30 August 2013 - 03:31 PM.

[Strangelove]

There is one thing I forgot to mention, it seems that Obito relies too much on his eyesight, and not on his other senses, and apparently this can be a huge weakness. All it takes is a huge diversion to distract him, like let's say an eruption in the ground creating a lot of dust and debris, so that Naruto can attack with a rasenshuriken.

[James S Cassidy]

i hate how Kishi handles her sometimes, there are moment where she can shine greater but discarded, she viewed herself like she's reached them but only Naruto and Sasuke are there fighting and she's was the background sharing screentime with no one less than Hinata. 

I hate wasted potential.

example she had only one chapter to showcase her abilities and remember how much time she got sidelined on this war arc, we got almost 1 year without her having an appearance.

 

Take other characters like Lee, he didnt even had a fight, Neji too and only did one thing on Shippuuden : Die.

I like Sakura's super strenght and her powerup but why dont showcase more of it?

 

About Sasuke, his character and motivations is ridiculous, i said many and many times, he wont be a good villain if Itachi is his only motivation, we got that talk with kages but still Itachi is his motivation, his purpose is to oppose Naruto but it's so bad written that it can clearly see that it's forced.

So you're basically saying that Kishi is at times a bad writer? Okay, that's fine. That is a reasonable response and I respect that. I also respect that you are not just pointing out the flaws of one character, but pointing out flaws of many characters. Again, great. Good on you, mate. You have said something that makes sense and given me a reasonable idea of what you are looking at.

What I hate is when I see statements like this:

"Kishi is terrible at writing women cause Sakura sucks."
-Okay, but why just Sakura? Looking at all female cast members, Sakura's story is not the worst one written and I could argue Hinata's, TenTen's, Ino's, and et cetera have made little to no differences to the plot. Not to say they don't have moments, but they have moments that are easily forgettable. So the question I have to ask people is "Compared to what?" Sakura's development compared Naruto's is rather short lived and at times side-lined, but compared to others she is a well drawn out character.

 

I hate wasted potential too, Dark. This I agree with. However like I said to some people (not meaning to you personally, Dark) Sakura isn't the only one guilty of this crime. It's something people keep forgetting or they choose not to care about let alone realizing that you have to analyze all elements of a story, not just the parts you want to focus on.

"Why need Sakura to heal, when the Kurama cloak can do it for you?"
- I don't know, why have the whole alliance there when all they are doing is standing around doing nothing while Naruto, Minato, and Tobirama are doing all the work? Even Sasuke is pointless and useless. Why even make the alliance war at all when half of them just die for being red-shirts and Naruto, and a select few, can wipe out the entire opposing army in a matter of seconds? Why not just let Sasuke go in and take care of Obito and Naruto helps Sakura with nothing, but healing? I am sure Sasuke can asspull his way out of it.

 

If we are going to question, might as well question....

"Why have the Byakugon when the Sharingan can do everything already?"
"Why create new jutsu at all when all we do is passed down previous generation techniques?"

"Why give Naruto Frog sage mode when he doesn't even use Frog-themed techniques?"

- The only thing we got with this one is Frog summoning. All he uses the Sage mode for is sensory and power boost. He has not shown once to do any Frog techniques like Jiraiya can. Would be nice to see him do something like else.

"Why constantly tell Naruto that only he can save Sasuke when the only one to really change Sasuke's opinion is Itachi?"

 

Or the mothers (not typo) of all questions that I have to ask every single person who reads this manga....A question that I know people get really mad at at times.

 

"Why do you even care at all? It is just a fictional story."

-Usually followed by a "The writer can do whatever he wants."

"If you don't like it, why do you keep reading/watching/going back to it?"

There are questions not meant to be asked and there are questions where the answer is simply "because the writer wanted it that way. That is how he wanted the universe to be set up." You don't always have to agree, but there are times where you just have to accept it as it is because you will either never get an answer or the whole idea was just to create a set up. Why have Naruto's cloak heal and empower people? Because Kishi wanted to make sure all the characters are alive and able bodied for transport. He wanted a way out of some plot elements that may or may not come into consideration later.

Anyone think about this one yet?
 

"Why didn't Killer Bee share his chakra if every tailed-beast can share their chakra? Or is this only a Nine-tails thing?"

-Maybe only Kurama's can do this. We don't know.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 30 August 2013 - 04:17 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

While you all debating, my main question is...


WHAT HAPPENED TO HIRUZEN?!