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[MangaReader]

Since this is a chapter thread, tell me, how do you interpret the false smile situation?

I already said it, but I see it as a full circle... it started with Naruto not being happy about Sakura's love for Sasuke despite his departing and now it's Sakura not happy to have Sasuke back

Edited by MangaReader, 19 June 2013 - 08:40 PM.

[Luna]

Yeah I was wondering about that SSM too... Hard to predict it, tbh..

Well, honestly I believe Sakura would show SSM not tsuande. If kishi wanted to show SSM he would have shown it in the pain Arc. It's not a stretch for sakura to learn SSM...... I think there might be a whole new process in which to learn SSM since there is only one Katsuyu.

[merryGOflava]

Since this is a chapter thread, tell me, how do you interpret the false smile situation?

 

how do I interpret it??

 

I think Sakura is saying she trusts Sasuke because she wants to believe he's good

but really........she's already thinking of ways to bring him down if necessary 

 

in fact...I don't think she ever truly believed he was good.

I think she cried last chapter because...this was as good as it was going to get with team 7 being a TEAM again....

[catsi563]

weak chakra reserves my rear end. Shes canonically proven she has wider reserves then many thought  she did. Shizunes statement of her mastering the mass healing technique alone proves this.

 

Not to mention her summoning of Katsuyu.

 

I stand by my original statement I think Sakuras reserves have long been underestimated and mistaken for her actual stamina when theyre 2 different things.

 

If slug sage mode is coming she will have mastered it already  just never put it into play.

[MangaReader]

Anyone think Sakura's being set up to take Sasuke down if Naruto gets into trouble?

[Chatte]

Anyone think Sakura's being set up to take Sasuke down if Naruto gets into trouble?

Yup. 3rd time's a luck. She tried twice and failed.

The third one will be really a hit. Literally.

 

 

weak chakra reserves my rear end. Shes canonically proven she has wider reserves then many thought  she did. Shizunes statement of her mastering the mass healing technique alone proves this.

 

Not to mention her summoning of Katsuyu.

 

I stand by my original statement I think Sakuras reserves have long been underestimated and mistaken for her actual stamina when theyre 2 different things.

 

If slug sage mode is coming she will have mastered it already  just never put it into play.

Her mastery over the chakra is very interesting. Like I posted on the other thread, given the fact she wastes no chakra, what's leftover she can easily transform it back to stamina.
Plus chakra is spiritual energy as well. And we know Sakura has a undying force spirit. She never gives up, remember? ;) Same as Naruto.

Edited by Chatte, 19 June 2013 - 08:47 PM.

[MangaReader]

3 way deadlock repeat

[merryGOflava]

Anyone think Sakura's being set up to take Sasuke down if Naruto gets into trouble?

 

if Naruto gets in trouble because of Sasuke, she will without a doubt step in. 

 

I don't know if she's gonna fight him.....but she's gonna do something. XD

 

as Chatte said 3rd times the charm!!!

[MangaReader]

 

if Naruto gets in trouble because of Sasuke, she will without a doubt step in. 

 

I don't know if she's gonna fight him.....but she's gonna do something. XD

 

as Chatte said 3rd times the charm!!!

I believe that myself...but I did see that question over at Mangahere and figured it would be a suitable question here as well

[Atheck]

If anyone is going to use Slug Sage Mode in this battle, I believe it's going to be Tsunade, not Sakura. She's been with Katsuyu for far longer than Sakura has, which gives her a time frame to have trained for it. Sakura doesn't really have that.

 

We can try and argue that she squeezed in the training for it between arc A and arc B, but considering her lack of chakra reserves and knowing that she's been working at less than 100% in order to learn Byakugou, I can't see it. The pieces of the puzzle don't fit.

 

She literally just accomplished Byakugou... I can't really see her pulling a perfected Slug Sage Mode out of her pocket, but I can see Tsunade revealing that such a jutsu does exist. Tsunade may not have completely mastered SSM, the same way that Jiraiya wasn't able to perfect Toad Sage Mode, but that will leave room for Sakura to master it herself.

 

If Tsuande was capable of using Slug Sage Mode then why would she not activate it whilst she and the other Kage were fighting for their lives against Madara? It would be a nonsensical deus ex machina with no prior foreshadowing offered. I have heard several plausible theories that suggest that due to Tsunade's age reversal transformation technique consuming a considerable amount of her strength and concentration to maintain that she was unable to acquire SM. That could account for Tsunade developing the Byakugou technique as a replacement. According to some suspicions it's theorized as being either an imperfect variant of SM or a replicate ability that is akin to the Curse Seal. Regardless, it seems improbable that Tsunade would have this unfounded transformation when she has already revealed what is likely the extent of her abilities.

 

Not only that, it defeats the concept of Sakura surpassing Tsunade if her teacher reveals a powerful new ability that she is inherently incapable of ever attempting. Oh, and by the way, the Byakugou seal is an accumulation of enormous reserves of chakra which the user has been acquiring for some time. The notion that Sakura has deficient reserves became resolved the moment that seal developed on her forehead. Not that the possibility of her being able to compensate for her average levels with her precise chakra control was ever confuted.

 

Why should the amount of interactions that a character has had with the summonings be a concern? Naruto had only ever interacted with Gamabunta and the frogs on two different occasions before he was recruited by Fukasaku to learn senjutsu. Jiraiya probably fought alongside them for decades now, having developed a close relationship with the two sages who endeared him with a nickname IIRC and he likely trained with them for years. But did that somehow invalidate the fact that Naruto was able to not only acquire SM, but take it even further beyond than Jiraiya did in only a fraction of the time with much less interaction with the frogs?

 

Finally, there remains the two most significant qualities that implies or at least presents the possibility of Sakura having developed SM. The naming of her seal is apparently quite different to that of Tsunade's and she has yet to release it. Now does this mean that Sakura's Byakugou will become SM when she activates it? It's doubtful considering that she has been focusing primarily on just gathering chakra, but it's a possibility, especially if you consider the Byakugou jutsu to be an imperfect SM. Are there any regulations that claim that Sakura is incapable of acquiring new abilities as she concentrates chakra into a single area? No, of course not.

 

On to the second quality. You may find it to be somewhat contrived in nature but you do have to admit that the marking on Hashirama's forehead when he was entering SM bears a striking resemblance to Sakura's clan symbol. As we all know, in most situations, these resemblances aren't just a coincidence rather they are allusions to concepts or ideas that were previously established in the manga. I refer to one of my earlier posts that denoted how coincidence cannot be so easily discarded through explaining how the Naruto's symbol was suspiciously woven onto Konoha's uniforms for hundreds of chapters before it was finally revealed that there is indeed a substantial reason for its placement relating to the Uzumaki Clan's close political and military ties to the Senju.

 

Now even though Sakura's clan symbol will more than likely not having nearly as much importance as the Uzumaki the similarities between it and Hashirama's forehead marking should not be ridiculed when considering how Kishi enjoys making references and capitalizing on the ideas he established years ago.

 

One other thing. If Sakura was forced to wait until a timeskip to acquire SM then what purpose would there be to her acquiring it if she never used it in the main story? It just becomes an ineffectual and meaningless gimmick that she acquired that will never be properly explored in an actual battle. Unless you believe that Sakura is capable of mastering it during an intermission between this arc and the final one. But then who would she properly demonstrate it against? Juugo? The final arc is inevitably going to be dedicated almost entirely to Naruto and Sasuke's personal conflict if Orochimaru doesn't survive the end of this. If Sakura was ever going to use SM then this current battle would be the appropriate time to use it.

[arian_rad]

I don't understand why people are saying the shinobi alliance will agree with the annihilation of all tailed beasts. They are an infinite chakra source at this point and to take down all of them together is just non sense and near impossible. The perfect way do handle this situation is to seal the beasts inside naruto. He is practically the only one who can handle such chakra. Let alone he has made friends with all the beasts including Kurama and therefore wouldn't see how naruto or anyone that is on his side would like that plan. Again sasuke is being selfish and showing he is basically prepared to kill naruto for his ways. It's clear that sasuke needs naruto's help in order to kill all the tailed beasts and then it seems he plans to take down naruto afterwards. In order for sasuke to accomplish his way of "peace" it's clear he ment to kill all the tailed beasts. This is mainly what sakura is noticing and the show of that fake smile. She does not realize what sasuke is up to and as much as her heart wants her to trust sasuke things just aren't the same and she can't bring herself to do it. It's clear sasuke's motives will be revealed soon and naruto noticed his motives it appears or that at least he is up to something in that part panel of his where he was yelling "oi sasuke!" Angrily. The old team 7 cannot return to the way it was and as much as sakura wants this she knows that she does not feel the same way about sasuke which she used to. Those hints from 540 yet again coming into play about her maturity and dimming feelings.

[六道仙人]

I think that we've alread seen a Slug Sage mode... It's that's Hashirama.

[sushi.]

The kages needed all five of them to even have a chance against Madara, and Tsunade did a lot in the fight.

 

Now that there are so many good guys to back them up, maybe she has time to go into SSM?

 

I think the shorter it takes for you to go into SM, the more you've mastered it.

[Slextrem]

weak chakra reserves my rear end. Shes canonically proven she has wider reserves then many thought  she did. Shizunes statement of her mastering the mass healing technique alone proves this.

 

Not to mention her summoning of Katsuyu.

 

I stand by my original statement I think Sakuras reserves have long been underestimated and mistaken for her actual stamina when theyre 2 different things.

 

If slug sage mode is coming she will have mastered it already  just never put it into play.

She had a lack of chakra reserves during the time she would have trained for something like Slug Sage Mode because she was storing her chakra for Byakugou. All of this time she's been limited with what she could do because she was only using a portion of the chakra available to her. Since she just now completed Byakugou, I don't see how she could also know Slug Sage Mode. It doesn't fit in the time line...

 

Naruto was able to learn Toad Sage Mode as quickly as he could because he didn't have to hold anything back while he was training for it and he has a huge amount of chakra at his disposal. Sakura is a different case because she's just a normal girl with a normal amount of chakra. That being said, she's very good at controlling what chakra she does have, and that's why she's able to thrive. But with her focus being on completing her seal, on top of the rest of the events that took place in Shippuden, (the fighting, the healing, the planning), I don't see how she could have also traveled to the Shikkotsu Forest and mastered SSM during any time between arcs. 

 

The reason why she's able to do all that she has been now is because she's finally released her seal, so all of that chakra that she's been saving up is finally being used, hence her mass healing and summoning Katsuyu. If she trained for Slug Sage Mode now, using the chakra reserves that she's been storing in her seal, then I believe she could master it. However, I don't think it's possible for her to know SSM at this point in time. That doesn't mean she can never learn it though. She now has a way to store the chakra needed to use something as powerful as Sage Mode.

 

Tsunade's seal has already been completed and she's had more time with Katsuyu as her summon than Sakura has. That opens up many more opportunities for her to have learned SSM rather than Sakura. The chakra reserves are there in her seal, which she's had since when? The Third Shinobi War? Plus there is a possible time frame where she could have learned it: somewhere between when she leaves Konoha with Shizune and when she returns to become the Hokage. That's plenty of time to learn something of that scale.

 

We'll just have to wait and see what Kishimoto chooses to do. I wouldn't complain if Sakura does use SSM in this battle, but he would have to pull something clever out of his ass to make it fit the timeline. 

 

I think that we've alread seen a Slug Sage mode... It's that's Hashirama.

Oh yeah. I forgot about that.

Edited by Slextrem, 19 June 2013 - 09:10 PM.

[Chatte]

I think that we've alread seen a Slug Sage mode... It's that's Hashirama.

Nah. That's Mokuton Senpou... Usually the Sage Modes have the animal name trinity inside the mode/a technique/something like that.

But Hashirama has his Technique SM. And it's fairly believable given that well... he is a legend.

Shikkotsu has just been mentioned and Kabuto said equally famous as Myobokuzan or Ryuchi.

It's definitely SSM and it's not Hashi's one.

 

As for Tsunade, she did mention the only one who has been able to master Sage Mode was Jiraiya, which implied more or less she couldn't do it.

As for Slug's Sage Mode, we really don't know the requirements... As I said earlier they might not need large chakra reserves unlike the other 2. Manda and Bunta asked for some stuff in exchange while Katsuyu didn't... Which makes me believe the SSM isn't that hard to learn, you just have to have the trust of the Slugs.

Edited by Chatte, 19 June 2013 - 09:10 PM.

[Don-kun]

As I previously said.

 

I think it's pretty clear.

It's Kage Summit arc part 2.

 

Sai said to her that he is also part two and he will help and asked for her cooperation. She smiled at him and said yes, of course.

The result? She didn't. She lied.

Same here. She is lying. She is not happy doesn't trust Sasuke at all even though he is finally back with them. That's what the fake smile is about. When she fakes her smile, she fakes her words. It's the other way around, actually, than people think.

It's kind of sad reading stuff trying to justify Sakura's sudden change, in the love department things between Sakura and Sasuke will not get any better is just a matter of time when Kishimoto will soon drop the boom on Naruto fandom.

For the moment Sakura's feelings for both guys might not be addressed yet and maybe her feelings for Naruto will be the last one to be addressed but the moment Sasuke oppose Naruto not being a misguided person anymore, her feelings for him will take a massive hit.

Edited by Don-kun, 19 June 2013 - 09:14 PM.

[megi]

I think we are going to see Shikamaru do something soon about Sasuke soon.

 

I'As I am thinking about SSakura's "smile" the only thing that makes sense is that Sakura is lying to herself, not really directing a lie to Sai. Lying because she has suspicions...I don't think so. She's lying to herself because that is what she wants to believe.  She has suspicions she hopes are not true.

 

As for SSM, I sort of doubt that Tsunade will be the one that actually does SSM. And Hashirama's as SSM? Possibly, but then I wonder why SSM was not mentioned when he went into sage mode, so I am guessing no. 

 

I do agree that Sakura does not have a large time frame for her to learn SSM, but she has a very high learning curve. She may not have even done it before, but learn it in one go. 

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Only 2 people agreed with Sasuke.

 

The Bijuus are practically immortal, you can't seal them away permanently. Shinobi should know this. Naruto will be the 10 tails Jinchuuriki, that's the solution.

Or brining the other jinchuuriki's back and making them to not be hated anymore for being a jinchuuriki.
Remember that Naruto said he was going to save the bijuu's, so means that he wants to make then not evil like he did with the Kyuubi and he did the last part would be bringing them back the other jinchuurikis and the people dont look at them like they are monsters but rather as protectors.

Because if Naruto becomes the 10 tails host then it's obvious that everything is going to happen all over again.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 19 June 2013 - 09:15 PM.

[merryGOflava]

......that's it....WHAT IS SLUG SAGE MODE!? XDDD

 

I keep hearing it!.... have no idea though....

[六道仙人]

Nah. That's Mokuton Senpou... Usually the Sage Modes have the animal name trinity inside the mode/a technique/something like that.

But Hashirama has his Technique SM. And it's fairly believable given that well... he is a legend.

Shikkotsu has just been mentioned and Kabuto said equally famous as Myobokuzan or Ryuchi.

It's definitely SSM and it's not Hashi's one.

 

As for Tsunade, she did mention the only one who has been able to master Sage Mode was Jiraiya, which implied more or less she couldn't do it.

As for Slug's Sage Mode, we really don't know the requirements... As I said earlier they might not need large chakra reserves unlike the other 2. Manda and Bunta asked for some stuff in exchange while Katsuyu didn't... Which makes me believe the SSM isn't that hard to learn, you just have to have the trust of the Slugs.

Bolded

What? I don't think that's true...  Naruto's and Jiraiya's SM has never been called as  "Toad Mode sennin" or something like that. The same with Kabuto's SM.

 

Senpou just means = Hermit technique. Naruto has called often, when he was in SM, his rasenshuuriken technique as "Senpou Fuuton Rasenshuriken" but that doesn't mean that it's "Senpou Fuuton". Senpou Mokuton is like when Naruto says "Senpou Fuuton Rasenshuriken" et similia.

 

Following the logic of this manga, we have seen 3 different ways of SM.

-The one is from Toads. Jiraiya and Naruto used it

-The other is from Snakes. Kabuto and Orochimaru used it

-The last one is the one from Hashirama and I strongly believe that 's correlated with slugs. Otherwise why  Madara stated that Hashirama had the capacity to healing without seals his wounds?