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[Don-kun]

You mean battle wise? 

Everything, am just tired of the Sakura bashing, Sakura not doing enough, abusive wife, criticism etc. I mean Sakura as change a lot since middle part one so why is so hard for readers to notice it and be satisfy with her progress?

[Otaru]

I just thought about something.

It's possible Sasuke choose to "join the fray" only to fight alongside with Naruto because he needs Naruto wind power to make his Black flames stronger. I think Sasuke need the juubi defeated. But i don't know why. It could be everything. But if we consider how strong Kishi played on their combine elements, it may be a hint.

I think Sasuke knew pretty well he needed Naruto to achieve his goal.

Edited by Otaru, 12 June 2013 - 06:55 PM.

[James S Cassidy]

Everything, am just tired of the Sakura bashing, Sakura not doing enough, abusive wife, criticism etc. I mean Sakura as change a lot since middle part one so why is so hard for readers to notice it and be satisfy with her progress?

Sadly, this is something I have to agree with. So many wanted so much from Sakura. We got all this good stuff from the last three to four chapters, but it seems like it isn't good enough.

I guess people just want Sakura to do another long battle sequence like the Sasori fight.

[Don-kun]

 

In this chapter, Sakura basically took Tsunade's role. It was necessary. It's HUGE guys. It's HOKAGE level.

Ok she's healing, but she's healing the entire shinobi alliance. She's aknowledged as a really skilled girl.

I really don't know if Tsunade would have been capable of that. It's so many people it's almost freaking.

It's pretty logicall she split Katsuyu to heal everyone. That will give every shinobi an extra time for battle.

Sakura is strong but I will beg you to stop underestimating Tsunade, Sakura will only surpass her once she display all her technique something that is sure to happen, something aside and her Genjutsu affinity skills. She will be there for sure she just isn't quite there yet so be patient.

Edited by Don-kun, 12 June 2013 - 06:56 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I just think about something.

It's possible Sasuke choose to "join the fray" only to fight alongside with Naruto because he need Naruto wind power to make his Black flames stronger. I think Sasuke need the juubi defeated. But i don't know why. It could be everything. But if we consider how strong Kishi played on their combine elements, it may be a hint.

I think Sasuke knew pretty well he needed Naruto to achieve his goal.

I think the plan got escalated when he saw Naruto's rasenshuriken the first time around, so he probably thought to himself that using that element he demonstrated can end this quickly.

[Otaru]

Sakura is strong but I will beg you to stop underestimating Tsunade, Sakura will only surpass her once she display all her technique something that is sure to happen, something aside and her Genjutsu affinity skills. She will be there for sure she just isn't quite there yet so be patient.

Yeah you're right.

I wasn't talking about every Tsunade's skills, but only about the remote healing part, where she is doin' it for everyone in the alliance.

I would never underestimate Tsunade =)

Edited by Otaru, 12 June 2013 - 07:00 PM.

[六道仙人]

I read the raw. The Sai part was translated wrong.

サイ　　「キミもサスケを知っているんだよね…彼の本当の目的はなんだい？」
Sai "You also know Sasuke...What is his real plan?"
重悟　　「…さあな…」

Juugo "...no idea"

 

So Sai actually didn't hear Sasuke, like some people are saying. 

mmh... Actually the real words are these, just as stated in Ohana's script

 

サイ　サスケの言ったこと…　君も見て聞いてきただろう…　彼の本当の狙いは何なんだ…？

[Slextrem]

@Slextrem

 

You really want Tsunade to kick the bucket don't you?

If you wondering what I meant by kick the bucket it means die.

It's not like I really want her character to die.

 

I just think it would fit with the theme of student surpassing master in this series. Sasuke surpassed Orochimaru when he killed him. After Jiraiya died, Naruto surpassed him by learning Sage Mode. The past examples give the notion that it's her time, given that she's in a very grim situation and Sakura has been getting a lot of development.

 

That, and I would really like to see the evil side of Sasuke come out to play again, (which I'm sure it will). If Orochimaru uses Edo-Tensei on Tsunade and tries to control her and the other Hokages, that seals the deal. The other Kages (Gaara & co) might not be able to stop him from taking her either, depending on their current conditions. They could still be unconscious for all we know. Healed, but unconscious.

 

I'm really excited to see how this all plays out. Tsunade could end up living too, and I would be okay with that. Though if we go by the pattern that Kishi has used in the past, I believe she's done.

[Otaru]

mmh... Actually the real words are these, just as stated in Ohana's script

 

サイ　サスケの言ったこと…　君も見て聞いてきただろう…　彼の本当の狙いは何なんだ…？

 

So... they truly heard something right ?

Edited by Otaru, 12 June 2013 - 07:25 PM.

[Gaara's hair]

Another good chapter, though if the Juubi really was defeated by one jutsu its pretty sad. Sakura healing the whole army or whats left of it showcases her great medic abilities and that Naruto, Sasuke combo was nice. Now I have to wait for next chapter to see what Orochimaru and Sasuke have planned. 

[Qia]

Ummm I don't know if someone pointed this out already (I only read a few pages xD), but doesn't it make more sense to say that Sakura's crying because of Tsunade rather than seeing team 7 like that? Because: http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/634/4

 

She looks kind of...sad here. And she just so happens to interrupt Katsuya when she mentions Tsunade (as if Katsuya herself doesn't know about her state...but perhaps Sakura does somehow?).  .

Edited by Qia, 12 June 2013 - 07:31 PM.

[六道仙人]

 

So... they truly heard something right ?

 

yeah... Sai said "What Sasuke said.... I think that you heard him too... What's his real aim...?"

 

But anyway, that doesn't change anything. the Sasuke "Burn out!" made Sai suspicious of him.

[Otaru]

 

yeah... Sai said "What Sasuke said.... I think that you heard him too... What's his real aim...?"

 

But anyway, that doesn't change anything. the Sasuke "Burn out!" made Sai suspicious of him.

 

Yes this doesn't change anything. Sasuke is suspect.

But it was nice to have the real translation. Thank you.

 

 

 

Ummm I don't know if someone pointed this out already (I only read a few pages xD), but doesn't it make more sense to say that Sakura's crying because of Tsunade rather than seeing team 7 like that? Because: http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/634/4

 

She looks kind of...sad here. And she just so happens to interrupt Katsuya when she mentions Tsunade (as if Katsuya herself doesn't know about her state...but perhaps Sakura does somehow?).  .

 

To me, Sakura is crying out of joy. It's pretty obvious. If you look closely at the page where Sakura shed a tear, all the rookies were supporting Naru/Sasu combined attack that was right about to form before their eyes. Every rookie said something. It's all pointing at Naru/Sasu 's attack. And then, on the bottom of the page, there is Sakura, who is crying out of joy while watching them combine their both attacks into one.

This page is really full of strong feelings to me.

 

I think Sakura is not sad when she interrupted Katsuyu from saying her that Tsunade will be so proud of her (because we all know what this was about even if the sentence wasn't complete). I think Sakura is concerned about everyone in the alliance, and focused. So she doesn't want to be praised here, she just wants to take action. To me it's *again* Sakura being selfless.

Edited by Otaru, 12 June 2013 - 07:42 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Ummm I don't know if someone pointed this out already (I only read a few pages xD), but doesn't it make more sense to say that Sakura's crying because of Tsunade rather than seeing team 7 like that? Because: http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/634/4

 

She looks kind of...sad here. And she just so happens to interrupt Katsuya when she mentions Tsunade (as if Katsuya herself doesn't know about her state...but perhaps Sakura does somehow?).  .

Well, to be fair, it's best to help now than start a conversation. No one knows Tsunade's condition.

 

 

yeah... Sai said "What Sasuke said.... I think that you heard him too... What's his real aim...?"

 

But anyway, that doesn't change anything. the Sasuke "Burn out!" made Sai suspicious of him.

Sorry guys, Sasuke is not good.

[Gaara's hair]

Well, to be fair, it's best to help now than start a conversation. No one knows Tsunade's condition.

 

Sorry guys, Sasuke is not good.

What!? It's not possible he tricked me! 

[六道仙人]

also... I don't know if you knew already this... But the title of this chapter is related to that's 170

[TouKen4Life3g]

also... I don't know if you knew already this... But the title of this chapter is related to that's 170

Refresh our memory.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 12 June 2013 - 07:40 PM.

[megi]

also... I don't know if you knew already this... But the title of this chapter is related to that's 170

 

Good catch! And yeah, it looks like it's going to be three-way lock all over again with the neo - sannin. Maybe after the war...

 

Chapter 17- "The  Battle of the Legendary Three"

Edited by megi, 12 June 2013 - 07:40 PM.

[Don-kun]

Yeah you're right.

I wasn't talking about every Tsunade's skills, but only about the remote healing part, where she is doin' it for everyone in the alliance.

I would never underestimate Tsunade =)

 

I get that but do we know how many citizen live in Konoha, we know the alliance force is around 15 thousand bodies who know maybe lest, to me is logical to believe Tsunade try to protect a lot more civilians while Sakura is only healing the ones that are injure. Don't you agree?

 

I'm not trying to downplay Sakura but I guess after seems how Hinata did the 64 palms stuff has many people saying that she is capable of beating Sakura when they will never dare to say that Hinata is capable of defeating Tsunade, when we all know Sakura might have all of Tsunade's power to display against her.

 

It's not like I really want her character to die.

 

I just think it would fit with the theme of student surpassing master in this series. Sasuke surpassed Orochimaru when he killed him. After Jiraiya died, Naruto surpassed him by learning Sage Mode. The past examples give the notion that it's her time, given that she's in a very grim situation and Sakura has been getting a lot of development.

 

That, and I would really like to see the evil side of Sasuke come out to play again, (which I'm sure it will). If Orochimaru uses Edo-Tensei on Tsunade and tries to control her and the other Hokages, that seals the deal. The other Kages (Gaara & co) might not be able to stop him from taking her either, depending on their current conditions. They could still be unconscious for all we know. Healed, but unconscious.

 

I'm really excited to see how this all plays out. Tsunade could end up living too, and I would be okay with that. Though if we go by the pattern that Kishi has used in the past, I believe she's done.

Yep that is the problem you see Tsunade as something to advance Sakura character, no wonder why so many share that same idea.

 

I see Tsunade as an influence towards Naruto not Sakura, while I agree with the parallels stuff regarding the Sanin, Sasuke didn't surpass Orochimaru after killing him Orochimaru was very weak and sick, Naruto didn't learn Jiraya's technique until he past away but Naruto was already strong in his Kyuubi form after all the Kyuubi form is what helped him to overcome Pain.

 

Anyway Naruto is the Main character and one of Tsunades last wish was placed on seeing him becoming Hokage, Orochimaru was bad he needed to die and Naruto needed to grow up, while Tsunade is Sakura's teacher she is a lot closer to Naruto and more concerned about him, that's why I cannot see her dying for Sakura's growth, plus her not being dead should be an obvious hint for every reader that she is not dying before passing on the Hokage title to Naruto and now that Orochimaru arrived at her worst time make the possibility of her death slimmer. We also need to keep in mind that If Sasuke knows that Orochimaru is planing something against the current Hokages then he should die with out any redemption but we all know he will be redeemed and alive.

[StriderC]

Everything, am just tired of the Sakura bashing, Sakura not doing enough, abusive wife, criticism etc. I mean Sakura as change a lot since middle part one so why is so hard for readers to notice it and be satisfy with her progress?

Meh, at this point, it's really a lost cause. People have been wanting her to do something for the longest time. I'm not gonna lie. I was one of those people considering throughout the war, she was barely featured. She hints at doing something when Team 7 is reunited and people are saying they hope she proves herself. She takes down several juubi, and it's branded an asspull. She says Sasuke's name as he lands next to her and she's a fangirl. She summons Katsuyu, and people are saying she has killed Tsunade. 

 

I've seen several people complain saying she doesn't do enough. She does more than enough and people are saying it doesn't fit her... I mean really? WTF. Like I've said, at this point, it's a lost cause. Haters are gonna hate, and no matter how awesome Kishi makes Sakura, they're gonna continue to hate on her for whatever reason. Just appreciate those who do actually love and enjoy her character. The people who actually SEE the good she does in the manga. It's better than nothing.