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#321 StriderC

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 05:07 PM

QUOTE (James S Cassidy @ May 15 2013, 12:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You seem to use my stuff a lot don't you Codus? "I am a Naruto fan first before I am a NS fan"

Look, I do the same as well, but I still love this chapter and it is fun to come up with strange theories from time to time. It's means we are having fun and much better than the whole forum crying all the time. Like I said to you in the past, these insane theories have come from both ends of the spectrum int hat many expected these huge NH developments or that Kishi was losing his mind. It was because of these moment I took my shipping goggles off for more than half the time now and like you I could say the same thing to them: "You shouldn't expect it to happen. It is merely a possible outcome"

When it comes to this chapter, my Naruto side is happy because it wasn't overblown romantic or Sakura didn't do anything out of character and it wasn't forced. It was exactly how I expected Sakura to behave and act in the battlefield. Not unlike Hinata's scenes in 615. We both can agree that this is true.

My NS fanboy is screaming "OMFG NS moment" and "Imagine what will happen next," it merely me having fun. Imagining how things could play out. No one expects anything. I don't expect anything anymore because I realize Kishi just doesn't want to push for it, but you could imagine things that could have happened and have fun with it. You know, having fun? Like it was in the old days. All I'm saying is, you need to stop taking everyone's word so seriously all the time. We are aware of the possibilities and are aware it is not gonna go the way we want it to. Doesn't mean we can't have fun.

Keep in mind that the people who are having fun don't seem to be as negative when something doesn't happens, but it is the people who expect Sakura to fight are the ones who are mostly over-eager and not regarding the possibilities
. I know what to expect and what not to, but I still have fun by saying "Imagine how funny it would be if Minato said Sakura was like Kushina"



No, I mean you missed the joke. It was just a joke to poke fun at similarities.

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To be honest, dude. I noticed it to, but it hasn't bothered me because Kishi has done thing a lot worse and for dumber reasons. Again, I know I am beating a dead horse, but after the debacle that was 615 and all that came from that. Everything else is okay with me.


As for the bolded, I'm not expecting it, but I'm definitely hoping for it. It's not even really out there either, and it's definitely in the realm of possibility. At this point, it'd be an added bonus for me personally, and I'll definitely be VERY happy to see Tsunade's student in combat.

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 05:07 PM

QUOTE (StriderC @ May 15 2013, 05:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
LMAO! I'm DEFINITELY biased, but even so, I try to see the other side instead of just flat out throwing whatever happens with the out of the window. I'm way more neutral than people like this Forneverworld and definitely more than Sawyer. I've seen some neutral people appreciate Sakura's speech and her usefulness here. There was nothing negative about what she did. Doesn't matter if you're a shipper or not.

1. She gave an uplifting speech.
2. She got the alliance back on their feet.
3. She relayed Naruto's message and feelings, and she's determined to heal him as best as she can.

Where's the negative? She wasn't selfish, and she wasn't all about herself here.

I don't like making that call myself on the chance that you weren't biased XD As far as for myself, I'm split 50/50, I can be as biased as hell and I can be as accepting as Naruto. Anyway, good to hear you guys aren't totally one-sided. Damn big names can't seem to figure out what it means to be a true reviewer

Somehow, someway, the fans will try to figure a way through which Sakura was speaking about Sasuke...as feeble as that attempt will be, I can totally see it happening this week till next Wednesday. I like how people complain about her and then when she does something, they still complain. New flash whiners/bashers/fake-fans, Sakura doesn't have to go around waving her fists to prove her worth, she doesn't have to be fighting every freak'in second, and most importantly, she places life above everything else, it being her code as a Medical ninja. Ugh, these people....

P.S Those last few sentences weren't directed to anyone here, just more a of a rhetorical statement.

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 05:11 PM

QUOTE (StriderC @ May 15 2013, 12:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
LOL I'm not asking you to check it out again. I just wanted to hear the gist of what he said about Sakura in his review. I'll pass on checking out. I've as well as Slex have dealt with the guy before, and realized he wasn't as neutral as he claimed he was in the past. Given what you've just said, that reaffirms that for sure.

It also seems like the review he gave dampened your mood? Don't let the crappy reviewers drag you down brother if you are in fact being dragged down by their crappy comments. cool.gif

It's funny that he's actually making fun of her panels instead of looking at the entire message. Wouldn't expect any less from him. Just shows he feeling the burn.

Hearing his poorly constructed opinion of Sakura does bring my mood down, but that's why I write here since it lifts my spirits back up to talk about this with other people. So don't worry I'm all good.

You know what, in the end since I can get satisfaction from knowing that if it was Hinata that had said those words they would've praised her beyond believe and gone on a 20 minute rant about how she's such the ideal woman for Naruto.

It's their extreme bias towards Hinata that blinds them from the themes of the manga. Pretty sad.

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 05:13 PM

It was nice to see Sakura in this chapter. I hope that nothing bad will happen to her because of the healing technique she's planning to use.

Ah, it looks like something finally go through to Obito. ;-;
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Posted 15 May 2013 - 05:15 PM

QUOTE (redragon88 @ May 15 2013, 06:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well, it seems that even Sawyer's opinion of Sakura is not great. It's still not as bad a what forneverworld did, but you can see that he gets slightly annoyed by her.

I really don't get these people. They just purposely look for ways to bring down every little thing Sakura does. It really saddens me how low people have gotten.

Yeah, I thought he would praise her even a little. Because he once said "I will be indifferent to Sakura, at least until Kishi does something relevant with her."

They brush her away. The Sasuke comment also threw me off. She doesn't think of him unless she's reminded of him. But I laughed at the pooping comment XD

The only objective/neutral reviewer regarding pairings I come up with is Edothetalker. He looks nice too.

Btw, I've been thinking that maybe I get offended when Sakura does because she reminds me a bit of myself. Does anyone feel that way? ÔO

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 05:16 PM

You know, I always liked hearing the opposition, it's always given me a good laugh... maybe I should truly listen to what this Sawyer guy has to say next time (since I just got spoiler again XD). I far to deep in this thing to care what others think, nothing has gotten me down at this point...heck, I wasn't all that worried when Hinata proclaimed her love back in the Pain arc tongue.gif

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 05:16 PM

QUOTE (MangaReader @ May 15 2013, 12:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't like making that call myself on the chance that you weren't biased XD As far as for myself, I'm split 50/50, I can be as biased as hell and I can be as accepting as Naruto. Anyway, good to hear you guys aren't totally one-sided. Damn big names can't seem to figure out what it means to be a true reviewer

Somehow, someway, the fans will try to figure a way through which Sakura was speaking about Sasuke...as feeble as that attempt will be, I can totally see it happening this week till next Wednesday. I like how people complain about her and then when she does something, they still complain. New flash whiners/bashers/fake-fans, Sakura doesn't have to go around waving her fists to prove her worth, she doesn't have to be fighting every freak'in second, and most importantly, she places life above everything else, it being her code as a Medical ninja. Ugh, these people....

P.S Those last few sentences weren't directed to anyone here, just more a of a rhetorical statement.


LOL I want to see her wave those KO fists!! cool.gif

But on a serious note, I'm not blind to NH at all. I acknowledge what they have, and the development they get but I just don't see it as the end game. Lacks the development NS has and everything in between.

I'll never watch a review hoping to enjoy it by those who are obviously one the opposite side of the ocean when it comes to pairings personally. Actually, scratch that. I would watch it but it depends on the person and their message, and if they're as open as they should be when it comes to reviews. Meh, it all really just depends. biggrin.gif


I have a feeling whenever Sasuke arrives on the field, and if Sakura makes some favoring comment, they're gonna eat that stuff right up, and they're probably gonna supposedly "like" her at that given moment. dry.gif

Anyway, Sakura's awesome. Point blank period. cool.gif


QUOTE (redragon88 @ May 15 2013, 12:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hearing his poorly constructed opinion of Sakura does bring my mood down, but that's why I write here since it lifts my spirits back up to talk about this with other people. So don't worry I'm all good.

You know what, in the end since I can get satisfaction from knowing that if it was Hinata that had said those words they would've praised her beyond believe and gone on a 20 minute rant about how she's such the ideal woman for Naruto.

It's their extreme bias towards Hinata that blinds them from the themes of the manga. Pretty sad.


Given his track record, my mood probably wouldn't get brought down but I most likely would retaliate in some fashion Anyway, that's what this forum is for. Tis our sanctuary. Sometimes it's a rough ride, but overall, it's a great place to see some great opinions and have great discussions. biggrin.gif

And that's VERY true. WE or some of us actually felt Hinata's moment was alright and acknowledged it until she talked about Naruto's hands... and took 3 steps back. They'd gobble this up if it were Hinata. They gobbled it up when she was in the forefront supposedly leading the attack at the time. sleep.gif

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 05:30 PM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ May 15 2013, 10:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I see that sh was going to say something but Naruto got the panel, next chapter she will say something and probably Minato will have a long chat with Naruto.
Most importantly is Sasuke coming i hope we dont get trolled like pairings SS oriented or some kind of fanservice if this doenst happen then NS is pretty much canon and end of pairings wars for me.
Also i feel that we are going to get an answer to 540.


I am actually half expecting it, but I also know it means nothing. As I said with all the possible moment that COULD make any one of these pairings canon, we have to remember that Kishi easily neglects to follow through or plays it off as nothing.

QUOTE (StriderC @ May 15 2013, 10:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
As for the bolded, I'm not expecting it, but I'm definitely hoping for it. It's not even really out there either, and it's definitely in the realm of possibility. At this point, it'd be an added bonus for me personally, and I'll definitely be VERY happy to see Tsunade's student in combat.


Let me rephrase something, so I don't get misinterpreted.

For you, Strider, let me ask you want Sakura to fight yes? Now she could fight anyone and anything. Like I am hoping Sakura to help fight Sasuke regardless of what Naruto says. This plays well with what she said in 573. I don't expect her to fight any other battle to be honest.

But we have people who are like "Oh, if she doesn't fight, the manga is crap" and these are the kind of people that bother me. It is fun to speculate and such, but still...However, I don't see this problem with most members here, but it seems like some still believe that everyone is in the same barrel. That we all think we "expect too much" when really some of us are just having fun speculating.
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Posted 15 May 2013 - 05:33 PM

QUOTE (alexander @ May 15 2013, 11:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You guys shouldn't care that much about the fandom reaction. Remember, Kishimoto aways follow an pattern. First he gives us an naruhina moment, then he later gives us an narusaku moment, then later he does something that neutralized both scenes putting us back into the starting point. Pretty annoying, actually. Anyway, it was still an good chapter, no Hinata glorification, and Sakura does something relevant, I aways liked the Kakashi/Obito arguments, but that Minato scene kind of killed the mood. Seriously Naruto? Aren't you even surprised that your father suddenly shows up at the battlefield?


Like I said, maybe Kurama tipped him off??

QUOTE (Derock @ May 15 2013, 11:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
How do I love this chapter? love.gif

That speech, Sakura... Preach, girl, preach!! And I bet that during that entire moment, Naruto was thinking like, "Yeah, that's my girl! Getting some after this crap is over!" th_7eyytubokky7rehok1k.gif

Kakashi, so freaking badass. Time for Round 2 with him and Obito! biggrin.gif

Bee is back (but still we have this question, WHERE IS SAI?!!!)

And oh kitten... Minato's here. Father son reunion with a potential mentioning of the "future daughter-in law". And he's about a couple of meters in front of him.

Oh, and I noticed some negativity here. Cut it out, please. That's including talking/bashing/making fun of w/e on the rival pairings. We had enough drama llamas going around eating and expanding themselves.


Thank you. That is all what I want to say.

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 05:33 PM

this latest chapter is a Sakura moment,. as well as Ino, Shikamaru, Kakashi and even Minato who only get one page but has so much impact... so i understand that there'll be some who'll compare Sakura's speech to Hinata's, and we are all free to ship what we want to ship and voice out our opinions, but since the website is called narusaku.com then that means it's centered on Naruto and Sakura right? so it's only natural that NaruSaku fans are overjoyed to see Sakura having her spotlight and for logical comparison sake, it's no wonder Hinata will be brought up... so i'm just wondering why and what are NaruHina fans doing coming to this website?.. it is inevitable that the two girls will be compared, i mean it happens in other forums or websites that doesn't necessarily support one pair unlike this one, right? sorry, im kind of new to fandoms so i dont understand much..

peace, i don't mean anything and i hope im not misunderstood as being rude, it's just me being curious (iwas reading some of the comments and other previous topics here and noticed some NaruHinas). th_glomp.gif again, i was just curious rolleyes.gif

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 05:34 PM

QUOTE (James S Cassidy @ May 15 2013, 12:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I am actually half expecting it, but I also know it means nothing. As I said with all the possible moment that COULD make any one of these pairings canon, we have to remember that Kishi easily neglects to follow through or plays it off as nothing.



Let me rephrase something, so I don't get misinterpreted.

For you, Strider, let me ask you want Sakura to fight yes? Now she could fight anyone and anything. Like I am hoping Sakura to help fight Sasuke regardless of what Naruto says. This plays well with what she said in 573. I don't expect her to fight any other battle to be honest.

But we have people who are like "Oh, if she doesn't fight, the manga is crap" and these are the kind of people that bother me. It is fun to speculate and such, but still...However, I don't see this problem with most members here, but it seems like some still believe that everyone is in the same barrel. That we all think we "expect too much" when really some of us are just having fun speculating.


LOL Of course, but as you've said, for me personally, it doesn't equate to the manga being crap if she does. Like you, after this battle, I don't see her fighting either considering there will likely be no enemy for her to fight. And agreed with the bolded. It's fun throwing out the possibilities considering there're quite a few of them. biggrin.gif It's brought a lot of discussion for sure, and that's definitely a fun thing. cool.gif

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 05:37 PM

QUOTE (redragon88 @ May 15 2013, 01:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Before Obito "died" that's the last perception he got of Rin, so it's completely reasonable.

I still hope that maybe we'll get some more info regarding Rin, it doesn't have to be that she fell in love with Obito, but maybe that she's the one that grieved him the most. Also, that she might've had the resolve to die because Obito inspired her.

I just want Obito to die having endearing thoughts regarding Rin. Like Kakashi said, Rin meant the world to him, so I want him to think about her in some capacity before he's done.


Yeah, I want that too.
To be honet I'm currently more invested with the Kakashi and Obito thing, than NS at moment, just like Codus. Not that I'm happy that Sakura got a moment in this chapter, it just that I feel like we make seem bigger than may actually was. We did the same thing for 615, yet in reality probably both aren't as big of a deal as we. Though this is a pairing website, so I would have been surprise if we didn't make big deal out of everything. Besides, I still think Narusaku will happen, because, well, SASUKE STILL HAS SHOWED ROMANTIC FEELINGS TO SAKURE!!! Not only that, bu Karin has forgiven him now, so what is stopping SK from happening, especially since they is more ground for them to build a romantic relationship than SS.
On a side not, has anyone notice that every time the manga switches focus away from Sasuke, the manga dramatically improves? Coincidence....?

Wel either way, I'm just glad that we learned Yamato and Tsundre(?)'s fate in this chapter......oh wait.....

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 05:44 PM

QUOTE (StriderC @ May 15 2013, 10:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
LOL Of course, but as you've said, for me personally, it doesn't equate to the manga being crap if she does. Like you, after this battle, I don't see her fighting either considering there will likely be no enemy for her to fight. And agreed with the bolded. It's fun throwing out the possibilities considering there're quite a few of them. biggrin.gif It's brought a lot of discussion for sure, and that's definitely a fun thing. cool.gif


Indeed.

We have many discussions and theories and such, but it is all jsut in good fun. Now if you want me to be serious, I could say that Sasuke "redemption" is nothing more than an asspull waiting to happen. I have been having discussions with Nate about this and at times Nate shows me how most of Sasuke crimes can be hand waved away. I have to ask, if this is true then what is the point of the redemption?

Obito seems to be the one needing the redemption because he started good and then was corrupted. It almost seems like Obito's story should have been Sasuke's all along, but Sasuke was never pushed to be that evil.

Basically, you can't be redeemed if there is nothing to be redeemed from. Being a jerk does not equate to redemption.
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Posted 15 May 2013 - 06:01 PM

QUOTE (James S Cassidy @ May 15 2013, 02:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I am actually half expecting it, but I also know it means nothing. As I said with all the possible moment that COULD make any one of these pairings canon, we have to remember that Kishi easily neglects to follow through or plays it off as nothing.

Yep but it sucks that if it happens will likey to counter balance what she did on this chapter, it sucks to imagine we see a matured Sakura, and suddenly flop to give SS fanservice.
If it happens it's likely to be a sh*tstorm equal or worse than 615.

I hopes he continue following up this line of Sakura on the chapters, not downgrade her character for the sake of SS fanservice(since they had it on Sasuke's possible redemption) like Kishimoto did with Naruto on 615.

i'm excited to see Naruto/Minato interaction, and Sakura pretty much her interaction is unavoidable, and the fact that all this pairing war will soon to end.

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 06:05 PM



Waking up to this chapter, I didn't know what to expect but damn, this was a good chapter! This is like, the exact opposite feeling I had when I read chapter 615.

My thoughts:

God, the Juubi is so...fugly! arg.gif What a crazy way to fire out a bijuudama. I hope his final transformation impresses. And it looks like people were right about Bee writing lyrics for his next appearance. happy.gif

Kakashi - Obito back and forth is getting a little tired but, I really loved what Kakashi said:...ones who don't treasure their friends are worse than trash, and the ones one who don't treasure their friends feelings are even worse... Or something like that.

And last but not least, Sakura. That's the Sakura I like. Inspiring the alliance while healing Naruto, nice! And Minato warping the bijuudama out of the way like a boss. The shipper in me wants him to make a comparison between Sakura and a certain someone, but I'm not expecting anything. Also, I am fully prepared for Sasuke to show up and have some form of interaction with Sakura but, I'm confident things will work out in the end. There are so many things that can happen in the next chapter, going to be fun predicting what'll come next.

QUOTE (StriderC @ May 15 2013, 05:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
LOL The manga doesn't revolve around NS for me either. Notice I said Sakura. I enjoy Sakura's character. I put her character before NS to be quite honest...


I feel the exact way, it feels like it's been sooo long since we've had Sakura do something in this arc. I do not mind having a few Sakura-centric moments at the expense of a NS moment or two.

QUOTE (Atheck @ May 15 2013, 06:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What an interesting chapter. As with everyone else the primary interest was seeing how Sakura was able to encourage everyone to continue fighting regardless of the severity of the situation. It has been a considerably long period since she received any noteworthy screen time and this chapter truly was a welcome addition. To see Sakura providing her words in that manner makes this chapter very much worth the wait. Then there is the final segment of the chapter where Minato appears next to her and Naruto; the man who is literally Naruto's father, the 4th Hokage, and probably one of only a few individuals who could provide some potential insight into who Naruto will end up with (there is the most logical possibility of NS but having the father of one of the parents reinforce it by giving their support would be tremendously beneficial). Sakura, you can not relent with healing alone. Your contribution here will overtake those of others, I believe, as it functions for an astronomically more significant purpose of resuscitating Naruto, but do not stop there. Please Kishi, allow her the honour of fighting here as it has been so long since we last witnessed Sakura in combat.


Oh, god THIS.

QUOTE (sushi. @ May 15 2013, 09:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think something big is up for Sakura. Her appearance is becoming bigger and bigger every chapter.

It started out with a shannaro :3
Then she says she'll heal him :3
And now she's giving a speech :3

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What I find pretty interesting is that the first chapter of this latest volume is titled "Now and Hereafter" and we've been getting chapters with Sakura moments that get bigger and bigger. Lol, maybe I'm overanalyzing things, but I'm just happy to have the heroine back.

QUOTE (Slextrem @ May 15 2013, 11:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

"It's not the size of what you do for him that's important... What matters is how strongly you feel about him."


Love.

But you gotta make that into a motivational poster.

And where the heck is Yamato? Seriously, I don't even remember what happened to the guy.

Now off to laugh at what all the biased, Sakura-hating reviewers have to say this time.

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 06:13 PM

QUOTE (James S Cassidy @ May 15 2013, 01:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
For you, Strider, let me ask you want Sakura to fight yes? Now she could fight anyone and anything. Like I am hoping Sakura to help fight Sasuke regardless of what Naruto says. This plays well with what she said in 573. I don't expect her to fight any other battle to be honest.


Forgive me for the interjection but how precisely could she assist in fighting Sasuke? The realms of their respective abilities diverged a long time ago and Kishi has since neglected to provide Sakura with any worthwhile enhancements that could make her comparable to her teammates. This is not even taking into consideration Sasuke's EMS. If you do then there is a considerably high chance that he not only is capable of utilizing all of Itachi's techniques and weaponry, but he may very well be capable of generating a Susanoo similar in enormity and power to Madara's (that is if the benefit of EMS is in fact this enhanced variant of Susanoo). Remember, EMS was stated to provide a fourth and final ability back during the Itachi vs Sasuke battle.

Factoring in all of Sasuke's techniques, existent and hypothetical, Sakura would be severely outmatched. Even with Naruto enduring the brunt of Sasuke's wrath and Sakura choosing to act as the occasional support in order to get a few hits in on Sasuke's Susanoo it would not take that long for Sasuke to retaliate. He could very well just ignite her on fire with Amaterasu if he was seeking to kill her.

Please do not misinterpret my intentions. I would greatly enjoy her participation in any sort of fight but when you analyze all of the conditions presented with a potential battle against Sasuke I feel that Sakura may not have the necessary stats or abilities to match him even with Naruto's support. He would have to monitor and protect her throughout the entire fight. My conclusion is that this is unlikely. Barring of course the inclusion of any power ups such as the Yin Seal or Slug Sage Mode. Even with the latter I don't understand how that would enable her to avoid flames that are claimed to appear instantaneously on a person and require greatly enhanced speed stats to have any hope of avoiding excluding mutilation of any impacted areas of the body.

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But we have people who are like "Oh, if she doesn't fight, the manga is crap" and these are the kind of people that bother me. It is fun to speculate and such, but still...However, I don't see this problem with most members here, but it seems like some still believe that everyone is in the same barrel. That we all think we "expect too much" when really some of us are just having fun speculating.


Well Naruto is a shonen, regardless of what messages or plot twists Kishi may use to provide more entertainment. Their concerns are somewhat valid because when you hear the words "hero" or "heroine" in a shonen manga you oftentimes associate those terms with someone who active in not just the plotline but battles as well. Unfortunately, Sakura has only had three fights that she directly participated in throughout the entire manga. This is partially attributable to Kishi's intentions for her which was to turn her into a character who functions more as a support in combat than a direct fighter. Then of course there's Kishi's inept ability at providing women with any critical roles in the general story. Don't get me wrong, they do play a significant role, it's just that the male characters' roles eclipses almost all of the females'.

I suppose you could argue that Sakura has technically had the most direct involvement in a battle relating only to herself or her in a female exclusive team out of anyone in the manga. Hinata has had only one fight directly pertaining to herself, Ino also is only at one (the other times were a concerted effort with her male teammates), Tenten with one as well (which was off-screened, mind you), Temari with two (first one was off-screened but the second against Shikamaru is a perfect example of a woman capable of overwhelming her opponent albeit she was unlucky to have to face a tactician like Shikamaru who had a capable advantage using the conveniences of his surroundings to protect himself), Tsunade with one (the other was a team effort with the Kages and she acted as support primarily until near the end), Shizune with one (very briefly against Kabuto), Konan with one (which was a relatively short battle that lasted for only 2 chapters IIRC), and Mei with one (her only 1 vs 1 fight was incredibly brief against a non-belligerent Sasuke and against Madara she fought alongside her three male comrades and one other female Kage).

I don't understand why but Kishi appears to be inimical at the notion of having very many female exclusive battles or battles involving a female character by herself against a male opponent. After Sasori he didn't even allow any of the female characters the opportunity of battling directly, on-screen, until Konan's brief endeavour against Jiraiya during the Itachi Pursuit Arc.

Edit: I forgot about Tayuya. She is an exception as well and considering that Temari fought her by herself technically it has the honour of being one of the few fights involving only female cast members. Temari's battle count, excluding male assistance, is now at three.

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#337 Inferno180

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 06:15 PM

Well its safe to say, from this chapter the NS camp got 2 great things out of it:

1. This was a great chapter for Sakura, speaking while doing her duty. She knows the whole ordeal and fate of the world and how much it is on Naruto, she knows she is doing what she can and tells everyone else to as well. While Hinata was just leading, Sakura was speaking for Naruto and everyone saying not to give in, she is showing she believes in Naruto and how he sees them all as comrades, they need to do whatever they can till the end.

2. This is literally a one in a million chance to ever see an event with not only Naruto meeting Minato, but Sakura was with him. Guess what again? As much as others may hate it and this could be a potential end to the MK parallel fight, again kishi could have put Hinata around, but he did not. Its just the set up right there, not even 10 feet away from each other, they can do something.

Now many are thinking, what happened to the other kage and Sasuke? Did they split up? Will they show up next chapter? Did Minato arrive alone at first to summon them?

Now as much as we see this big setup, we cannot be full of ourselves like some of the NH camp were thinking Naruto and Hinata were going to take out the ten tails alone. Ours is a very literal different condition yes, its a very likely situation that Naruto and Sakura will talk to Minato and that Minato could see Sakura as like Kushina. Just that also considering who else is coming, this is were we find again an unknown variability.

I mean we could expect the other kage just to pop right in giving Naruto time to talk to Minato, but then again, what about Sasuke and Taka? I mean Sasuke is a main character, would he show up all of a sudden? Or would the climax of the volume being made right now (66) would that be when Sasuke arrives?

Basically we can deduct next chapter like this: Naruto-Minato interaction is definitely going to happen, maybe some Sakura-Minato interaction. But the other edo hokage and Sasuke/Taka factor, when do they come in? There are a few possibly explanations for this:
1. Minato's flying thunder god kunai was thrown so far it let him warp there and he may use a summoning technique to bring them to the field.
2. Minato is the fastest shinobi ever (well Ino was faster with the chakra enhancement back in 616), so it makes sense for him to be there first, the others can just be following.
3. Minato can talk to Naruto if the other 3 are there, Hashirama to deal with Madara and the 2nd and 3rd can deal with the ten tails.
4. The hokage could have gone on ahead, Taka may be taking the long route.


If 3 and 4 occur, this means, if they split up, Taka may come across Tsunade and the weakened kage. The edo hokage would have time to fight as well giving Naruto time to talk to his father.

The final factor is the Sasuke arrival factor, just think of it like this, him making his return is going to be a big moment, so would you expect it in the middle of a chapter, or at the end? I would expect it at the end. Is Kishi giving Minato time to fight with his son? Or is Sasuke going to be back next chapter? I mean he just had practically ten chapters to listening to Hashirama. I would not have expected the kage this soon, but if its Minato, I can deal with that due to the immense speed he possesses. The Sasuke re-entrance will be a major moment, but it can happen anytime from the next chapter onwards due to Minato. Its something I would expect at the end of a chapter but also not too soon due to the amount of time Sasuke already had. If the split up thing really occurred and Taka is taking the long way, this gives Taka the chance to come across the broken kage and Tsunade, possibly bring more reinforcements with them. This could be a plausible set up as well, I mean remember when Gaara last saw him he knew he was covered in darkness, if Gaara meets a new Sasuke first, this could be another event for him seeing redepmtion in Sasuke too.

In other words, while the chapter was very good and the potential meeting could not be any better, I mean just 10 freaking feet from each other! We still need to be ready, anything set up could also fall down. Remember the Sasuke reentry factor, this can occur anytime but for the sake of Minato and Naruto seeing each other and due to Sasuke's recent screentime, this is why I would expect a short break from Sasuke and only the edo hokage at first. Unless it really is just rushed forward, I would expect Sasuke's entry to be at the end of a chapter, not the start or middle, that reentry will be another big moment. I'm not trying to kill the mood this was one of the best chapters in weeks due to both Sakura and Kakashi, but remember the story is not over, things may actually be in NS favor now just due to Minato showing up, its literally right there, a literal plot device is just 10 feet spaced out in front of Naruto+Sakura its literally, one of the biggest plot devices ever and it could not be more convenient. There is a possibility for a MinaKush reference just by seeing Naruto and Sakura together, I mean Minato could joke about it but still Sasuke is still the unpredictable one. Again, I think next week, it will only be the edo hokage coming, this is due to Naruto needing a little time to talk with Minato, get the gift, and fight beside his father, Sasuke I would expect to come a bit later with Taka because well one part, he already had screentime, a lot of it. Also something has to be done with the wounded kage and Tsunade, this is why I think Taka could have taken a long route. As for this chapter, NS is still green but has great potential next chapter. More potential than ever just due to this ending panel. All I hope is that this morale keeps up, these have been a good past few weeks for us. Never have I been so excited because of an ending panel either. Just Minato coming could help end this dumb fanwar once and for all. It would be a miracle if Minato makes such a kushina comment or thinks of her when he sees Naruto interacting with Sakura. If NS ends up Minato approved, thats a big win in our book. As for now, I'm going to enjoy this week, its one of the best chapters ever, hopefully it will stay this way, just don't get too overly excited like the NH fans did in 615, be ready to expect the unexpected, at anytime, Sasuke can pop back in so just be ready for that, it could occur next week or even in july for all we care. Just be ready. But the potential is just so high right now I can't contain my excitement a_squish.gif We are all happier than ever from this one chapter and the ending grouphug.gif we are almost ready to boogie.gif So enjoy things without worry until next Wednesday, things can become very good for us or fall down, but given the situation. I'm expecting only hokage rentry with a small talk between Naruto and Minato, I'd still expect Sasuke to be lagging behind and as I said before, Naruto needs time with his father. Sasuke can come in later. It is possible the kage and taka split up and as mentioned before Taka could be taking the long way. If they did, it makes sense for Karin to come across the wounded kage for some other events. Besides all this, I think this is going to be a well easy week. NS faith is running high in us all today, I hope to see it last. a_thumbs.gif cool.gif Hopefully this will be our end danarusakunp3.gif

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#338 Kakashi-Sensei

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 06:16 PM

Wow what a great chapter , im looking forward to the next one can't wait to see Minato in action ! boogie.gif

I like the speach of Sakura , but i hope that she will continue to have some panels times and not dissepear after her talk ( no Hinata 2.0 kishi please )

The part that i didin't like was the Obito-Kakashi interactions , im bored of all that bulls*it talk and i hope that we will see their fight soon.

Also , i hope that we will see the others Kages and Sasuke soon, especially Tobirama , what a badass character tongue.gif

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#339 Sakamaki Izayoi

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 06:19 PM

QUOTE (Atheck @ May 15 2013, 03:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Forgive me for the interjection but how precisely could she assist in fighting Sasuke? The realms of their respective abilities diverged a long time ago and Kishi has since neglected to provide Sakura with any worthwhile enhancements that could make her comparable to her teammates. This is not even taking into consideration Sasuke's EMS. If you do then there is a considerably high chance that he not only is capable of utilizing all of Itachi's techniques and weaponry, but he may very well be capable of generating a Susanoo similar in enormity and power to Madara's (that is if the benefit of EMS is in fact this enhanced variant of Susanoo). Remember, EMS was stated to provide a fourth and final ability back during the Itachi vs Sasuke battle.

Factoring in all of Sasuke's techniques, existent and hypothetical, Sakura would be severely outmatched. Even with Naruto enduring the brunt of Sasuke's wrath and Sakura choosing to act as the occasional support in order to get a few hits in on Sasuke's Susanoo it would not take that long for Sasuke to retaliate. He could very well just ignite her on fire with Amaterasu if he was seeking to kill her.

Please do not misinterpret my intentions. I would greatly enjoy her participation in any sort of fight but when you analyze all of the conditions presented with a potential battle against Sasuke I feel that Sakura may not have the necessary stats or abilities to match him even with Naruto's support. He would have to monitor and protect her throughout the entire fight. My conclusion is that this is unlikely. Barring of course the inclusion of any power ups such as the Yin Seal or Slug Sage Mode. Even with the latter I don't understand how that would enable her to avoid flames that are claimed to appear instantaneously on a person and require greatly enhanced speed stats to have any hope of avoiding excluding mutilation of any impacted areas of the body.

Agreed with that if Sakura would help Naruto to fight Sasuke then everyone else would join the fight too, unless if it happens on another arc and on another place and on another occasion but give to what Kishimoto said the possibility of Naruto fighting Sasuke here it's big because Naruto is not going to fight anymore, the kages will handle everything and probably Naruto will sit back with Sakura asking him to go an a date after the war.

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 06:28 PM

when Sakura is giving her awesome/amazing/heroic/ speech biggrin.gif

why is naruto just staring with a ninja poker face ninja.gif the whole time??

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