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[catsi563]

Tbe entire response to this chapter has been much ado about nothing, FFS.

It was always known Sasuke would turn but what would bring it about was the question. And Now all he has done has chosen to protect the village his brother sacraficed himself for, he ahs chosen to protect Itachis legacy which is understandable and in character.

However this does not guarantee he will automaticaly be puppies and raibows about the rest of the Shinobi world. He may still hold to a philosophy about the wya to do things that clashes with narutos and leads to a final battle.

As to Sakura I really want to beat my head against a desk right now over the inanity of people in this thread. Seriously Sasuke makes a decision and suddenly all fo Sakuras character development is out the window???????????????????

How in the hell do you even justify such ridiculousness? Sakura is a fully realized character and has a well developed foundation of relationship to the main character (naruto) and main antagonist (Sasuke)

She still has a role to play and Sasukes conversion merely provides an opening where She can resolve her feelings appropriately including the bench scene.

As to Karin I cant say im suprised as Ive long held to the notion that she was dealing with 2 Sasukes the cold demon sasuke which stabbed her and the Sasuke who was part of Taka before Itachi. That Sasuke has returned and was given more credence by his doing something we have NEVER seen Sasuke do.

APOLOGIZE


Since when does Sasuke Uchiha apologize even to Naruto where anyone can hear it. Aside from naruto I cant ever recall sasuke apologizing to anyone. Save Karin and he does it readilly.

So I see no mistake here or distortion of character for either one. As has been said elsehwere karin has always been able to have comical moments with Sasuke much as Naruto has comincal moments with Sakura.

Sakura big moment is coming, and shes going to shine

Now I am going to go back to lurking

[K9ofChaos]

Are you kittening kidding me?!


Sasuke better be planning on betraying everyone at the battlefield because there's no kittening way I'm going to take these recent turn of events lying down. When will Kishimoto ever learn that Sasuke is a sh*tty character who doesn't deserve to have a happy ending and should just let him die already?


All I have left to say is that I have officially lost any respect I had for Karin, all it took for her to fangirl over Sasuke again was an "I'm Sorry" and she simply discards the fact that he STABBED her with a CHIDORI. What does she see in that insufferable asshat?!


Kishimoto, kitten you and kitten this chapter.

[Shadow1275]

I guessed you were directing that last comment at me, since you seem to only be responding to what I have to say, but I haven't been bashing Sakura. Criticizing the author and bashing a character are two completely different things.

Given what Kishimoto has done with this manga, I have every right to worry about what he might (or might not) be planning on doing with my favorite character. Only getting screentime for the sake of developing pairing drama is not good development. Not doing anything to fight alongside the hero, despite saying she would, is not good development. Waiting until the last possible moment in the manga to give NaruSaku any more development, all the while throwing around NaruHina (and possibly SasuSaku) curve balls, is not good development.

Imagining what Kishimoto might have her do when Sasuke arrives, based on what we've seen him do to Karin, is stressing me out. She already has a bad reputation amongst the fanbase that she doesn't deserve - I don't want to see that worsen.

All of the things that I've been hoping for for her character seem less and less likely with every passing chapter. What purpose will Sakura have in the battle with all of the undead Hokages, Team Taka, Sasuke, Naruto, Killer Bee, and eventually the other Kages there? She's not even in the same ballpark as them, thanks to Kishimoto's lack of interest in training her. I never expected her to be on par with Naruto or Sasuke, but I at least figured she'd grow to be as strong as Kakashi or Tsunade by the final fight. Instead of at least letting her learn how to summon Katsuyu, develop her skills in genjutsu, or train to use the Yin Seal, Kishimoto focused on her ability to make antidotes, poisons, and smoke bombs.

Now we're at the point where it's too late for her to get any decent development without it feeling like Kishimoto just pulled it out of his ass. It will be nice to see her choose Naruto over good-guy Sasuke, but I was hoping for more than just pairing development to come from her character. Let me see her punch Obito square in the jaw. Let me see her round-house kick the Jyuubi into the horizon. Let me see her powered up with the Kyuubi's cloak. Let me see her do more than just heal fodder shinobi.

That's all I want for Sakura.

I know I'm jumping to conclusions, which I shouldn't do, so apologies for that. I hope that you're right and that I'm worrying over nothing. I really do.

Your right, Kishi did a terrible job of developing Sakura as a heroine. For example, he thought that he was portraying her as strong throughout the Land of Iron Arc. However, I wouldn't count out the Yin seal just yet though, Because Tsunade who has been cut in half for a while now is most likely going to die. So far, a lot of the Characters have been given their spotlight moments. Team Asuma fought their mentor, Hinata held Naruto's hand, Kakashi took down Zabuza and then overcame his grief over Obito's evil side. Tsunade is a character who has affected the story too much to be ignored. One of the themes that keeps reoccurring is the idea that when a mentor dies, their pupil inherits their will and sometimes techniques. IE Asuma and Shikamaru, Sasuke and Itachi=MS, Naruto and Jiraiya=Sage mode. We have a double feature coming up in a couple weeks. We might as well wait before hitting the panic button.

The other thing I want to point out and this isn't just towards you is though that chapter was a complete Ass-Pull, It just seemed too forced with the whole Taka/Kage/Orochimaru love-fest. And Karin forgiving Sasuke for stabbing her. Even Suigetsu was secretly against heading to the battlefield. I feel like there is something else that is going to happen on the way because we know that Naruto and Sasuke have to fight each other. This feels like a set-up.

Edited by Shadow1275, 10 April 2013 - 08:37 PM.

[Kakashi-Sensei]

I read some of the comments here , people who said that Kishi is the worst writter ever , other said that they will drop the serie... wtf

Am I the only one who really enjoy this chapter or what ?

For me the interaction between the Kages and team Taka was aewsoeme , the ending when all kages went on there rock head was great.

I agree that Karin , who still love Sasuke after what he done , was disapointing. But me personally i dont give a sh*** about her care about her

Moreover , i dont think that the fight between Naruto and Sasuke at the end is in danger. I think that Sasuke is still mad about what the village did to Itachi and is clan, and the alliance between is team and the Shinobi alliance is not permenent. Im sure that kishi will find a way to bring that fight in a good way. He already said that Naruto vs Sasuke will be the last fight of the serie.

I think that the nexts chapter will be epics as kitten :

- Hashirama vs Madara ( Part 2 )
- Minato will meet Naruto , Kakashi , Obito + Power up for Naruto ( Minato present )
- Sasuke and team Taka interactions with the alliance and team 7
- 5 kages return maybe ? ( Healed by Sakura ? )

[dragonflyx11]

You know, I can't help but find the responses from this chapter on this forum hilarious. We all knew Sasuke was gonna turn good. If you, for even a second, thought Kishi was gonna kill off his precious Sasuke and end the Uchiha bloodlines, then I'm sorry but you weren't using your head. It's obvious he was gonna be redeemed. Especially after all the sacrifices and damages to the Uchiha. Madara and Hashirama's failed friendship was the last straw. Sasuke was obviously gonna succeed past the curse of his clan. The moment Sasuke revived the Hokages to give himself a life lesson, I knew he would turn good. I also find it funny that Sasuke turning good is what convinces people SasuSaku can happen. Even though I've been attacked for saying Neji died to make NaruHina canon. :/

I also stated over and over that Karin would still be in love with Sasuke but people said it was a simple rouse to get herself out of prison. Nope. I was right. Which means nothing changed. Sakura, Ino and Karin are all as much in love with Sasuke as before. All that's left is to show if Naruto still has feelings for Sakura or if Kishi really did make Naruto jump ship with Neji's death.

Finally, there were a large majority of people who blamed the whole situation on Tobirama, and called him a bigot. For doing his job and protecting the village. For being wary of the Uchiha who've not only been mentioned 3 times to be unstable and emotional, but also shown that too. This chapter proved he trusted some and was wary of some. And he's right for it too. I blame ForneverWorld's asinine video for popularizing a bastardization of Tobirama's good intentions. That jackass.

lets not open those doors please save that for the debate thread.

[HauntedCake]

Sakura, Ino and Karin are all as much in love with Sasuke as before.

And the cycle comes back round to part 1.

Seriously, when Sakura see's this all new and improved, chidori to the back free Sasuke, isn't she going to jump at the chance to confess to him again?? before he might go evil again?

[kirabook]

I actually quite like Toribama and everything he did made sense to me. People act like he was completely off base for being wary of the Uchiha's when right now, the world is in danger because of 2 insane Uchiha's. He didn't want to kill them all off obviously and he even trusted the ones that could be trusted.

I never saw him as a bad guy and I still don't. -still wishes he was able to kill Sasuke with his finger-

[rikakim94]

I guessed you were directing that last comment at me, since you seem to only be responding to what I have to say, but I haven't been bashing Sakura. Criticizing the author and bashing a character are two completely different things.

Given what Kishimoto has done with this manga, I have every right to worry about what he might (or might not) be planning on doing with my favorite character. Only getting screentime for the sake of developing pairing drama is not good development. Not doing anything to fight alongside the hero, despite saying she would, is not good development. Waiting until the last possible moment in the manga to give NaruSaku any more development, all the while throwing around NaruHina (and possibly SasuSaku) curve balls, is not good development.

Imagining what Kishimoto might have her do when Sasuke arrives, based on what we've seen him do to Karin, is stressing me out. She already has a bad reputation amongst the fanbase that she doesn't deserve - I don't want to see that worsen.

All of the things that I've been hoping for for her character seem less and less likely with every passing chapter. What purpose will Sakura have in the battle with all of the undead Hokages, Team Taka, Sasuke, Naruto, Killer Bee, and eventually the other Kages there? She's not even in the same ballpark as them, thanks to Kishimoto's lack of interest in training her. I never expected her to be on par with Naruto or Sasuke, but I at least figured she'd grow to be as strong as Kakashi or Tsunade by the final fight. Instead of at least letting her learn how to summon Katsuyu, develop her skills in genjutsu, or train to use the Yin Seal, Kishimoto focused on her ability to make antidotes, poisons, and smoke bombs.

Now we're at the point where it's too late for her to get any decent development without it feeling like Kishimoto just pulled it out of his ass. It will be nice to see her choose Naruto over good-guy Sasuke, but I was hoping for more than just pairing development to come from her character. Let me see her punch Obito square in the jaw. Let me see her round-house kick the Jyuubi into the horizon. Let me see her powered up with the Kyuubi's cloak. Let me see her do more than just heal fodder shinobi.

That's all I want for Sakura.

I know I'm jumping to conclusions, which I shouldn't do, so apologies for that. I hope that you're right and that I'm worrying over nothing. I really do.

slextrem sometimes you just have to let go of a series that you love. kishi already screwed up a major plot that's been going for more than 10 years and character development.

ounce a writer goes bad i doubt they will go back to there good writing habits.

dropping the series is a better idea then seeing more disappointments week by week.

The only hope i have in this manga is that there's a 50/50 chance (after i dropped the manga) that kishi might redeem himself or just troll, butt pull and ruin his manga forever.

[Qia]

And the cycle comes back round to part 1.

Seriously, when Sakura see's this all new and improved, chidori to the back free Sasuke, isn't she going to jump at the chance to confess to him again?? before he might go evil again?

I doubt. That happening would be so...weird, especially knowing now how Naruto really feels for her and the possibility of her having those feelings for him. Sakura has never been that heartless. But we'll have to wait and see.

[Don-kun]

I guessed you were directing that last comment at me, since you seem to only be responding to what I have to say, but I haven't been bashing Sakura. Criticizing the author and bashing a character are two completely different things.

Given what Kishimoto has done with this manga, I have every right to worry about what he might (or might not) be planning on doing with my favorite character. Only getting screentime for the sake of developing pairing drama is not good development. Not doing anything to fight alongside the hero, despite saying she would, is not good development. Waiting until the last possible moment in the manga to give NaruSaku any more development, all the while throwing around NaruHina (and possibly SasuSaku) curve balls, is not good development.

Imagining what Kishimoto might have her do when Sasuke arrives, based on what we've seen him do to Karin, is stressing me out. She already has a bad reputation amongst the fanbase that she doesn't deserve - I don't want to see that worsen.

All of the things that I've been hoping for for her character seem less and less likely with every passing chapter. What purpose will Sakura have in the battle with all of the undead Hokages, Team Taka, Sasuke, Naruto, Killer Bee, and eventually the other Kages there? She's not even in the same ballpark as them, thanks to Kishimoto's lack of interest in training her. I never expected her to be on par with Naruto or Sasuke, but I at least figured she'd grow to be as strong as Kakashi or Tsunade by the final fight. Instead of at least letting her learn how to summon Katsuyu, develop her skills in genjutsu, or train to use the Yin Seal, Kishimoto focused on her ability to make antidotes, poisons, and smoke bombs.

Now we're at the point where it's too late for her to get any decent development without it feeling like Kishimoto just pulled it out of his ass. It will be nice to see her choose Naruto over good-guy Sasuke, but I was hoping for more than just pairing development to come from her character. Let me see her punch Obito square in the jaw. Let me see her round-house kick the Jyuubi into the horizon. Let me see her powered up with the Kyuubi's cloak. Let me see her do more than just heal fodder shinobi.

That's all I want for Sakura.

I know I'm jumping to conclusions, which I shouldn't do, so apologies for that. I hope that you're right and that I'm worrying over nothing. I really do.

Can't you see that Nefertieh isn't that big of a Sakura will kick a** fan or a fan who has a major hope that Sakura will rock?
The fact that she is the one who is being way more logical about what's currently going on and questioning other when she is very critical about Kishimoto's writing is kind of amazing.

How far are we NS fans pretending to fall?
How much did the other pairing fans endure when the focus was only on NS?

I mean This new member who happens to be a NS fans pointed how how the fandom was sulking, were depression and complaining about a cover, the pairing and Sakura, to see this going on again is really sad.


I cannot generalize because not everyone is giving up on NS for a chapter that didn't have anything to do with NH, NS or SS, anyway all I can say right know is that I'm really disappointed with many of the post I read so far.



By the way thank you smiter for trying to add some sense on the thread.


And you Slextrem, for A big Sakura fan, i cannot believe you came up with this conclusion because of Karin.

574 gave us a clear hint that Karin was a fangirl when she was not able to step of his picture.
Karin is a side character with no much influence in the plot, does not have any growing affection towards any other male character.
vs
Sakura
Main female lead, a lot of development, receive a lot of foreshadowing in regards to her character completion, has a lot of history with Naruto, knows Naruto loves her who happens to be the main character of this Manga.
If NaruSaku does not happen that means it was never meant to happen in the first place, but if NS happen Sakura choose Naruto because she loves him not because Sasuke was not available.
But I do agree with Sakura needing to punch or kick some bad guy at lease she deserves that before Team Taka and the Kages arrives.

Edited by Don-kun, 10 April 2013 - 08:58 PM.

[dragonflyx11]

I doubt. That happening would be so...weird, especially knowing now how Naruto really feels for her and the possibility of her having those feelings for him. Sakura has never been that heartless. But we'll have to wait and see.

im thinking that was sarcasm or WAS IT

[Qia]

im thinking that was sarcasm or WAS IT

Why would I be sarcastic about Sakura being so heartless as to not realize that confessing in front of Naruto like that would hurt him?

[dragonflyx11]

Why would I be sarcastic about Sakura being so heartless as to not realize that confessing in front of Naruto like that would hurt him?

i meant the person you were responding too

[archangel]

The problem is not that sasuke turn good , the problem was how it turn good. To be quite honest he's been evil for no reason. But he's hatred against the leaf was so big that he want the destruction of the village instead of just the head of the elders. He knows what Itachi will's was, hell he's brother told him that no matter what he does, he'll still loved him. Went totally insane after killing Danzo, (just read those chapter when he describe the feeling of killing him to Sakura and Kakashi.) He tried to kill his own friend more then once, take Itachi eyes to be able to destroy Naruto and all of what he represent with his full power. That's how far it was. Then Hashirama told him his story and then he decide to follow Itachi's will. What's the point to make him so evil intended after he kills Itachi if that story could have turn him back so easily. His conviction were that weak.

Understand that from a story point of view, all important action in this war were made by dead people. Hashirama converted Sasuke(NOT Naruto) , Itachi stop Kabuto( and Help converting Sasuke cuz to me seeing Itachi might have shake his resolve) , hell Madara made Tobi war. If it wasn't from the edo tensei technique, the war would be over in 30min. But the theme of the manga suppose to be new generation surpasses the old one so why in the world we got all those guy from the past. The only parallel we've got is Orochimaru wanted to see how Sasuke ended, cuz he walk the same path has him but seem to have a change of heart instead of him. Sasuke is a parallel, Kabuto was an impersonation. And Karin helding no grudge at all.

Already post something like that but I understand why people are shocked. I believe in Narusaku from a pairing point of view, no jumping ship here after + 500 chapter of development. But the problem I think people have is that this change of heart from Sasuke is so random, (what was the point of him go evil if Naruto not the one to bring him back good). that's why in recent post, we're like now anything can happen since he almost say screw logic(which made people doubt Narusaku and maybe some believe after all those Hinata moment 1 side Naruto spit a random I loved you:P) , having Karin hold no grudge at all seem too much. (but in the interrogation room , she was like in a love/hate mood to Kishi defense). Me I'm dissapointed Not in pairing view but in story view cuz I would like some character like Sakura and Lee to have their fight, Sakura vs Chiyo and Lee vs Kimimaro round 2 and a seven swordmen full fight, were Sakura doesn't appear at random in medical camp.

Well that whole war arc what a total disappointment to me a little ,but that's personal and now this chapter is the cherry on the sh** cake to me. I believe in the futur though cuz we must have a fight Naruto vs Sasuke, maybe Sasuke ain't that good:P.

[roninmedia]

The frustrating car ride that is a long shonen manga. That rush of that first acceleration, the scenery of the road trip. After some point, the driver loses his way, the scenery gets stale, other passengers annoy you and the car starts to sputter. Maybe Kishi can find a service station before the car dies and stuck in the middle of nowhere and the trip ended...

It seems like a writer pitches an idea for a story where they probably have the first 50% of the story conceived in their mind and they have the end prepared, but the pressures of filling material or deadlines makes that last section falter.


And Uzumaki Karin!

Edited by roninmedia, 10 April 2013 - 09:08 PM.

[CloudMountainJuror]

I'm almost speechless about this chapter. It just. Ugh...

I keep fooling myself that Kishimoto can't possibly write any more chapters worse than 614/615, and he keeps proving me wrong. Twice, now, he's proved me wrong.

Edited by zacrathedemon5, 10 April 2013 - 09:05 PM.

[Qia]

i meant the person you were responding too

Ohhhhh okay. Sorry >.<.

On another note, I don't think Sasuke's completely "good" yet. All he's doing now is not wasting his brother's sacrifice and deciding not to destroy the village. That doesn't mean he's, however, going to go back or that this new path of his is something that is necessarily "good".Who knows...he'll probably still end up fighting Naruto over something. Maybe to be Hokage. I'm not completely sure. But why assume that he's back to the old old Sasuke and everything will be fine once they deal with Madara?

Edited by Qia, 10 April 2013 - 09:13 PM.

[dragonflyx11]

The frustrating train ride that is a long shonen manga. After a certain point, the coal runs out, the steam is weak and the train just whimpers to its destination. Maybe it may get a boost before the end...

It seems like a writer pitches an idea for a story where they probably have the first 50% of the story conceived in their mind and they have the end prepared, but the pressures of filling material or deadlines makes that last section falter.


And Uzumaki Karin!

THIS!!! the curse of long standing manga is the story can not hold up forever, naruto was truly great at one time -unless you have always disliked it, then all i can say is why are you on a naruto fansite?- lately though the story has been subpar at best, and dreadful at worst.

Edited by dragonflyx11, 10 April 2013 - 09:09 PM.

[rikakim94]

The frustrating train ride that is a long shonen manga. After a certain point, the coal runs out, the steam is weak and the train just whimpers to its destination. Maybe it may get a boost before the end...

It seems like a writer pitches an idea for a story where they probably have the first 50% of the story conceived in their mind and they have the end prepared, but the pressures of filling material or deadlines makes that last section falter.


And Uzumaki Karin!

I hope so to. its hard to let go of a manga i love for so long.

[HauntedCake]

i meant the person you were responding too

First half was sarcasitc, but her seeing sasuke again and maybe confessing to the Part 1 sasuke she always belived still existed, its very possible.

she might think "Sasuke is back to how i remember him, how does he feel about me"

Just dont be suprised is Sasuke develops feeling for Sakura, Kishi has just demonstrated that he can pull any s**t out of his ass.