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[RikutoShika]

I dont think Sakura could had been captured. My thoughts on the next chapter, i belive the first few pages will be about Sasukes team, then skipping back to the war. I have like this feeling that Sakura went with Sai in a hurry to check on the kages, since Madara did inform that he defeated all 5 of them. But thats just my opinion, and if im wrong, which I am most likely, we still wont see Sakura in the next chapter cause we all know Kishi is a troll...

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I dont think Sakura could had been captured. My thoughts on the next chapter, i belive the first few pages will be about Sasukes team, then skipping back to the war. I have like this feeling that Sakura went with Sai in a hurry to check on the kages, since Madara did inform that he defeated all 5 of them. But thats just my opinion, and if im wrong, which I am most likely, we still wont see Sakura in the next chapter cause we all know Kishi is a troll...

Why she would leave the battlefield to go after the kages totally off-panel, the kages are being healed already there's no necessity for her to leave the battlefield and go for the kages, the ammount of bad writing is just retarded.

[RikutoShika]

Why she would leave the battlefield to go after the kages totally off-panel, the kages are being healed already there's no necessity for her to leave the battlefield and go for the kages, the ammount of bad writing is just retarded.

20$ bet lol

[sushi.]

I dont think Sakura could had been captured. My thoughts on the next chapter, i belive the first few pages will be about Sasukes team, then skipping back to the war. I have like this feeling that Sakura went with Sai in a hurry to check on the kages, since Madara did inform that he defeated all 5 of them. But thats just my opinion, and if im wrong, which I am most likely, we still wont see Sakura in the next chapter cause we all know Kishi is a troll...

I really think this would be the best scenario now. Kishi has dug himself a giant hole, and there is no excellent way out. But some are better than other. And btw, I think we'll see Sakura and Sai after Kiba and Shino. 3 chapters.

Why she would leave the battlefield to go after the kages totally off-panel, the kages are being healed already there's no necessity for her to leave the battlefield and go for the kages, the ammount of bad writing is just retarded.

Then the alternative must be even more retarded. XD

[六道仙人]

No way she's going to Tsunade, that's makes no sense... Sakura said that they will fight together both with everyone... It would be a totally contradiction if she would go where is Tsunade. She still here somewhere in the battlefield. Maybe she's just healing some wounded shinobi... I didn't even seen Shizune here.

I always said that it's better don't have high expectation but we don't need even do the opposite.. The first round is just concluded. Shikaku's plan is going well. The juubi is blocked for a few of time, Madara and Obito disconnected from the monster so everyone will can fight them.

Anyone noticed Kyuubi said at the beginning that Naruto is getting exhausted by giving that huge amount of chakra to everyone? He'll collapse surely, I guarantee to you.

Edited by 六道仙人, 23 January 2013 - 02:07 PM.

[luffyq1]

I think I'll wait to see what he'll do (IF he does something), But I think I'll come to the same conclusion as you... I can't stop to think that the damage is already done.

she is not a side character, she is the heroine. She shouldn't have to wait for a moment to shine like the others, she should be showing plaing a big role in this war since the beginning, but all that Kishi has done to her is put her aside for others to have a chance to shine!

the problem wasn't she wouldn't have appeared in this chapter, the problem is that Kishi is showing other people doing her job as heroine. It's frustrating!

^The bolded!

I mean, it's simply ridiculous! He could at least given her brief action moments in this chapter like he did to Kakashi, his other main character, but no. And what I find even more irritating is that Kishi is "saving Sakura for last", as others have so proudly stated. That would be completely fine if we didn't have to wait years for the god damn moment to arrive!

[James S Cassidy]

No James, not the pairing fans. I was talking about the others. You know that Sakura is hated from all the sides and so, we, as her fans are targeted.
This is not longer only about NaruHina fans.
But meh...

It may not be about them, but it involves them. It involves the entire fanbase yes, but again the bias still exists.

How many times did Sakura do something great and was still considered useless, how many times did she support Naruto and still considered useless. How many times did Hinata do something and screw up and people thought she was awesome and great? How many times did Hinata do nothing and still being seen as a great help?

Even now, people are too focused on Hinata, but Neji's death goes unnoticed by the fanbase.

People thought Sakura was useless long before this despite constantly doing good things and Kishi has at times shown that he doesn't understand why people hate her even when he has tried to show her to be something more. Sometimes I think it is not Kishimoto's fault, but the stupid fans who can't open their eyes beyond the bias. Yeah, now Sakura is not getting attention, but this is not what makes people think she was useless. It's the fact that she has not done anything for Naruto lately is what people keep focusing on and it's stupid.

And the fact is, to some Hinata can do no wrong. Even when she screws up big time, "It was not her fault." The Pein Arc was not one of her finer moments and while yes to us she is seen as this screw up and selfish person, to others she is seen as this superhero. What about the times Sakura supported Naruto? What about her Sasori fight? What about her curing Kankuro who also has made a disappearing act lately along with Temari. What about the times when Sakura healed Naruto and dive in to try and save him? They constantly get ignored even then.

Hinata...I am afraid people focus too much on her childlike behavior than what she actually does. If she screws up, "Oh it's okay, she was just trying to help." What about Sakura trying to kill Sasuke to help Naruto? "Oh Screw that b*tch she knew exactly what she was doing and purposely hurt him."

I can't trust people's judgement when they always see Sakura as a screw up and Hinata as a goddess.

What Kishi does is one thing, what the fans do is another.

Hey Kishi, where's Yamato?

Edited by James S Cassidy, 23 January 2013 - 02:13 PM.

[RikutoShika]

No way she's going to Tsunade, that's makes no sense... Sasuke said that they will fight together both with everyone... It would be a totally contradiction if she would go where is Tsunade. She still here somewhere in the battlefield. Maybe she's just healing some wounded shinobi...

If thats the case, i would be really sad, i would prefer her getting captured, cause that it not something i would like to see the heroine do while she can do btr in the battlefield.

[tricksie]

Okay...so Kurama engerizes everybody else, but his chakra doesn't fix his own vessel's dislocated shoulder? *rolls eyes*

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

No way she's going to Tsunade, that's makes no sense... Sakura said that they will fight together both with everyone... It would be a totally contradiction if she would go where is Tsunade. She still here somewhere in the battlefield. Maybe she's just healing some wounded shinobi... I didn't even seen Shizune here.

I always said that it's better don't have high expectation but we don't need even do the opposite.. The first round is just concluded. Shikaku's plan is going well. The juubi is blocked for a few of time, Madara and Obito disconnected from the monster so everyone will can fight them.

Anyone noticed Kyuubi said at the beginning that Naruto is getting exhausted by giving that huge amount of chakra to everyone? He'll collapse surely, I guarantee to you.

Yeah, they will counter attack and i think that Naruto will face even more pain until he make a final conclusion, notice that Obito is not falling for Naruto's talk no jutsu.

[fireandice]

^The bolded!

I mean, it's simply ridiculous! He could at least given her brief action moments in this chapter like he did to Kakashi, his other main character, but no. And what I find even more irritating is that Kishi is "saving Sakura for last", as others have so proudly stated. That would be completely fine if we didn't have to wait years for the god damn moment to arrive!

I understand why you would not like it, but the reason I do not feel it is wrong of Kishi to do that, is that I feel those characters missing, Sakura included, are pretty much up to something in the plan.

IMO, (I may be wrong, of course, and then I will be eating crow) Kishi is not showing what they are doing in order for their attack to have an element of surprise to Madara/Obito (and the reader). It makes it more exciting if we weren't given any obvious hints.

The reason I believe they are up to something is that Sakura was first shown pretty much most of the time- we were usually given a reaction shot of her, of her helping Darui power up an attack, healing Kakashi. Then, we see her next to Kakashi, a reaction shot...and then suddenly nothing. But he drew her on the cover in that chapter, and her words in 573 were "we'll fight together". So, if he didn't want her to do much, he could have just shown her in the BG getting the power up without giving her a moment.

I know it can be quite infuriating as we have to wait from week to week, but at the same time, it's only been two chapters without Sakura. If he ignored her for no good reason, I would also dislike it. But as of now, I'm saying we don't know, and the prior evidence in 573 suggests she will at least have a moment.

Edited by fireandice, 23 January 2013 - 02:14 PM.

[sushi.]

If thats the case, i would be really sad, i would prefer her getting captured, cause that it not something i would like to see the heroine do while she can do btr in the battlefield.

Anything but that. Her getting captured make her seem even more useless. A princess like those in the Naruto movies that needs to be rescued. And why her? If your name is not Hashirama Senju, you're just a fodder to Madara. He doesn't seem to pay attention to anyone in particular. And Obito? Nah..if so, not yet. It's too soon. If she gets captured, it must be after she's fought and on-screen.

[kirabook]

I'm not through reading all the way through everything in this chapter just yet, but I want to make something known.

No, I'm not worried about NS not being canon at this point. NS still has the most development throughout the entire manga. Even with these most recent chapters, they have not shaken my belief that Naruto and Sakura will end up together in the end.

No, I'm not worried about NH. NH is still lacking severe development and a few chapters of Hinata shining is not going to overcome the fact that Hinata does not truly know Naruto so late in the 'game'.

No, I'm not worried about Sakura being the heroine. Kishi has made it blatantly obvious that he has dubbed Sakura the main heroine of his series. There's no fighting against that.


What I am concerned with is Kishi making his own story less believable. I said it in 615 too, if you play around with your pairings too much, even the most obvious main pairing will look less believable in the end. You can't play around so much with these types of things in the end.

Normally, a mangaka probably can play around with pairings like this, but Kishi has ruined himself. He has a good portion of the fanbase questioning Sakura as the heroine, even after stating it in an interview and having her on the cover with the "hero", they still don't find Sakura worthy. He has not done enough to solidify the fact that Sakura is always and will always be more important than any other side characters.

I think Kishi thinks his manga is like other mangas where they can stuff in some fanservice where some random minor character chick stuffs her boobs into the main protagonists face and the audience is still able to understand that that character is nothing but a minor plot device in the grand scheme of things.

If he does that to his own fanbase, how do you think people would react? Everyone would go crazy. Again, they would blast Sakura for not being a heroine (by not stuffing her boobs into Naruto's face) and the side character, Hinata, is now the main girl character. Basically, this is what's happening now, but less boobs are involved.

Yes, pairing drama ups interest in the manga, but you're also killing your own credibility. If up until this point, Naruto and Hinata had all the development and Sakura had next to 0, wouldn't it be unbelievable if Naruto and Sakura suddenly got together? Not even I would be in favor of something like that. I don't just want the characters to be together just because, I want to experience their journey to that conclusion. I want to see them grow towards each other over time, learning to be around each other, learning to understand each other, supporting each other, and helping each other accomplish their goals because they care about each other that much. (Notice the double sided implication)

Naruto and Sakura has that, they still do. But the problem is, when Kishi throws a wrench into the situation, that being Hinata, with such strong force, it distorts the flow of things. No, it does not destroy all that NS has built up to this point, it dirties it rather. Up until this point, Sakura is always with Naruto during his most important moments, randomly, Kishi decides Hinata will do this for the most important battle in their lives. Sakura is literally one of the best medics in the entire world, surely she'll do something as small as helping Naruto with his shoulder so he can fight in the most important battle of his life. No, Kishi has decided Hinata will fix Naruto's shoulder.

This does not discredit NS or make it less likely, it just makes it less believable. I don't like that. Again, I don't want NS to be canon just because.

[Codus N]

It's like everyone forgot about the color spread last week re-confirming Sakura's position. Is it possible even as the heroine she still won't do as much as Hinata has done recently? Oh absolutely but she will shine at some point. Personally I think she will be most important when Sasuke takes central stage as the villain.

I'd like to ask you a hypothetical question here. What if Kishi made that color page just to troll us?? with each passing chapter, it seems more and more likely to me.

Signing-off from Naruto for the time being, after following it dearly for a decade+

Me too. At least if next chapter doesn't improve my opinion of the manga.

I think the disappointment comes from the fact that we kept theorizing how Sakura was gonna come and heal Naruto's shoulder ever since we saw him complain about it.

This is the danger of putting your expectations to high. In the end it actually made sense for Hinata to do it, but since we want to see Sakura be involved so much in the fight we can't help but come up with scenarios.

Sakura will have a role. Her absence is way to notable. Kishi is doing it on purpose. And something to take note of is that the last time we saw her was when she looked at Hinata encouraging Naruto. This all seems to fishy.

Sakura's speech in 573 would be too much of a contradiction of she just stayed in the background.

On the second part, I very much agree with you. I have been repeating this over and over again to the members here and yet I keep getting blasted for it .

But that said, while it did make sense for Hinata to do it, but really?? Kishi has established Sakura as Naruto's healer. Can't he even be consistent about it?? I mean, come on she's the second best medic on the field now, she should've had a shining moment with her medical knowledge. I mean, seriously, she's the apprentice of the best damn medic in the world, shouldn't Kishi show more of her fruits of training?? honestly, I doubt she would need byakugan to scan the shoulder. If she was trained by the best medic in history, surely she would've noticed a dislocated bone with a simple glance.

Moreover, the spotlight on her has been long overdue.

This! he has been neglecting her for so long that it seems difficult to find a way for him to get this fix now.

But while he neglects his heroine, he keeps giving heroine moments for secondary characters like Ino and Hinata.

The problem is not to give a great moment for Sakura, the problem is whether this will be enough for her to establish her ​​image as a heroine since side characters did more things in this war than she did.

Absolutely agree. ABSOkittenIN'LUTELY AGREE.

[Inferno180]

People need to clam down dispite seeing no Sakura for 2 mere chapters,

Might I remind everyone of how uneventful the majority of last year was? After 573 until around chapter 610, so many characters were shafted from screentime so the big 3 battles could play out. After late march last year, for basically the spring we saw the kages fight madara, in summer we had Sasuke and Itachi fight Kabuto along with a flashback about who the hell Kabuto was, finally for the fall we had Naruto and co facing Obito. Only until the arrival chapter did all our characters come back. Obviously the year ended with a terrible reaction to pairing fanbases (making NaruSaku fans worried and NaruHina fans act like insane jerks).

I'd rather see Sakura too, but we saw here 2 chapters ago in manga time, 5 weeks in real time is not a total catastrophe. Naruto has been gone for some times longer than that, for the earlier parts of the war, the main focus shifted such as kakshi and Sakura dealing with a revived Zabuza and more importantly Team 10 facing Asuma. The light shifts away from Naruto constantly, all the main characters get displaced for a bit. Hell Sasuke is still a main character and he gets less screen time than Tsunade, Bee, and even Shikamaru.

Sakura is around, until told otherwise we can expect she is still on the battlefield with the rest of the medical unit. We last saw her react to something, it could be Hinata's speech (meaning something friendship related) or most likely Tsunade, I can literally see Tsunade dying, we thought she was dead after pain but after the 5 kage summit, she came back fine. Let the haters and anti-sakura fans have their fun, no matter what happens Sakura is part of team 7, nothing will change that this late in the story, even if Naruto was going to get with Ino that would change nothing. Sai is not shown to be anywhere either, she could have pulled him to the side to get the Kages. Even though it seems like the Ninja allaince is winning, it could turn bad very soon, the ten tails is not complete its still growing, Madara and Obito are in a pickle for Madara being immortal and needing Obito to die in order to control the perfect ten tails. Sakura could have even gotten the enhanced chakra, Kiba got it yet we never saw Naruto high five him.

Just be patient, Sakura's reaction will be revealed in time. I said before don't be surprised if she went to Tsunade and had final words with Tsunade. Sakura returning with Sai and the 4 kage would be an epic moment. If by chance she went back to konha for Sasuke, I would literally go to Japan just to smack Kishi and say "Thats not good character development, why would you repeat the same thing?" I'm sure at this point after nearly being killed by Sasuke at the 5 kage summit, Sakura would not be hunting him alone, let alone now that he is even stronger. If she just randomly went back to the leaf village, it would be like she has mental Sasuke GPS. I'm betting that Sakura is where she should be, the battlefront or going to the Kage, the Kage are not dead, just displaced if the ninja hope to win, the Kage are one of the keys. Just think what will happen when Naruto gives Gaara, Mei, A, and Onoki the power, I could see Sakura helping at this point basically in place of Tsunade and as a successor moment for her finally passing her master.

[Poison_In_Your_Coffee]

It's not what I am talking about. I mean what if you have a characters who get killed off for no other reason than to support the pairing. If you have a character who completely goes against their original character type and does things that they are not really supposed to be doing.

See, this is where such a thing as different interpretions and impressions come to play. Neji, IMO, didn't die just to support NH. He died protecting the heir of the family he once upon a time hated and tried to kill, he made his own choices and finally got freedom. This was a good way to resolve Neji's character arc. And I don't think that NH goes against Naruto's character type, either. We simply have very different ideas about what will ruin the manga and obviously we just like different things.

Sasuke has always been evil and vile, but let's say with no cause or reason becomes good and is madly in love with Sakura and they get together. Is this acceptable?

No, he has not been always evil and vile. You can read the part one again and see this with your own eyes. Whether one thinks SS is okay depends entirely about each reader. I obviously have very little problem with SS. This is not to say that SS can't happen in a way that I would not like. Then I will just enjoy the idea of SS and their previous moments in canon and loathe the way they became canon.

I have to see the development. I don't like couples just happening on a whim because it's boring and easy. The better and more thrilling relationships are the ones that go through trials.

NS is what is boring to me. Different people, different opinions.

[fireandice]

Anything but that. Her getting captured make her seem even more useless. A princess like those in the Naruto movies that needs to be rescued. And why her? If your name is not Hashirama Senju, you're just a fodder to Madara. He doesn't seem to pay attention to anyone in particular. And Obito? Nah..if so, not yet. It's too soon. If she gets captured, it must be after she's fought and on-screen.

I highly doubt Sakura got captured...can someone tell me how Sakura got captured when KAKASHI was holding on to her a moment ago?

Sure, he might not be able to stop it, but I doubt they were able to snatch her from under his nose without him noticing.

Let's calm down, please. I have my gripes with how Kishi writes female characters- e.g Tsunade, I would have liked more fighting Pain head-on in Pain invasion, and even with all the spotlight Hinata gets, I feel she's been reduced to a girl who's obsessed with Naruto. I don't understand why Ino cried over Sasuke when it's not like they were in a relationship and imo she hardly knew the real Sasuke, for instance. Perhaps it's a problem that can happen in the shonen genre. I know some shonen mangas are able to balance and give their female characters well-rounded arcs, but many can do all that.

But Sakura said they were going to fight together, and we more or less see all the Rookies doing something pretty major that mirrors their speech. He could have had her say she would "heal and support", but he didn't.

Imo I will see how this plays out.

[luffyq1]

I'm not through reading all the way through everything in this chapter just yet, but I want to make something known.

No, I'm not worried about NS not being canon at this point. NS still has the most development throughout the entire manga. Even with these most recent chapters, they have not shaken my belief that Naruto and Sakura will end up together in the end.

No, I'm not worried about NH. NH is still lacking severe development and a few chapters of Hinata shining is not going to overcome the fact that Hinata does not truly know Naruto so late in the 'game'.

No, I'm not worried about Sakura being the heroine. Kishi has made it blatantly obvious that he has dubbed Sakura the main heroine of his series. There's no fighting against that.


What I am concerned with is Kishi making his own story less believable. I said it in 615 too, if you play around with your pairings too much, even the most obvious main pairing will look less believable in the end. You can't play around so much with these types of things in the end.

Normally, a mangaka probably can play around with pairings like this, but Kishi has ruined himself. He has a good portion of the fanbase questioning Sakura as the heroine, even after stating it in an interview and having her on the cover with the "hero", they still don't find Sakura worthy. He has not done enough to solidify the fact that Sakura is always and will always be more important than any other side characters.

I think Kishi thinks his manga is like other mangas where they can stuff in some fanservice where some random minor character chick stuffs her boobs into the main protagonists face and the audience is still able to understand that that character is nothing but a minor plot device in the grand scheme of things.

If he does that to his own fanbase, how do you think people would react? Everyone would go crazy. Again, they would blast Sakura for not being a heroine (by not stuffing her boobs into Naruto's face) and the side character, Hinata, is now the main girl character. Basically, this is what's happening now, but less boobs are involved.

Yes, pairing drama ups interest in the manga, but you're also killing your own credibility. If up until this point, Naruto and Hinata had all the development and Sakura had next to 0, wouldn't it be unbelievable if Naruto and Sakura suddenly got together? Not even I would be in favor of something like that. I don't just want the characters to be together just because, I want to experience their journey to that conclusion. I want to see them grow towards each other over time, learning to be around each other, learning to understand each other, supporting each other, and helping each other accomplish their goals because they care about each other that much. (Notice the double sided implication)

Naruto and Sakura has that, they still do. But the problem is, when Kishi throws a wrench into the situation, that being Hinata, with such strong force, it distorts the flow of things. No, it does not destroy all that NS has built up to this point, it dirties it rather. Up until this point, Sakura is always with Naruto during his most important moments, randomly, Kishi decides Hinata will do this for the most important battle in their lives. Sakura is literally one of the best medics in the entire world, surely she'll do something as small as helping Naruto with his shoulder so he can fight in the most important battle of his life. No, Kishi has decided Hinata will fix Naruto's shoulder.

This does not discredit NS or make it less likely, it just makes it less believable. I don't like that. Again, I don't want NS to be canon just because.

Everything in this post, especially the bolded part. God damn it!

[Moon_Girl]

Everyone needs to calm down...I'm just as angry about Sakura's role being stolen by Hinata but we have to relax. If anything, I think this arc is just giving the side characters a chance to shine like they haven't been able to in the past. Naruto vs. Sasuke is most likely going to be the next arc. The side characters have no role in that so Kishi is probably wrapping them all up on a good note here. That includes Hinata. (Unfortunately)

The arc isn't over yet and we don't know how much longer it'll last. As others have said, Kishi seems to be following along with 573. As much as waiting sucks, Sakura will get her chance.

Besides, Kishi isn't very predictable. Many of us weren't expecting Neji's death, the hand holding, the chakra transfer, ect ect. Who knows what Kishi will suddenly pull? Maybe something good for us and for Sakura fans.

[sushi.]

See, this is where such a thing as different interpretions and impressions come to play. Neji, IMO, didn't die just to support NH. He died protecting the heir of the family he once upon a time hated and tried to kill, he made his own choices and finally got freedom. This was a good way to resolve Neji's character arc. And I don't think that NH goes against Naruto's character type, either. We simply have very different ideas about what will ruin the manga and obviously we just like different things.

That heir of the family you're talking about has chose not to fight for her family, or take pride in the "heir" title. He gave his life for the next Hyuuga leader, but what will she do with it?

Neji's death could've been good, and I liked the impact it gave in the last chapter, but not in 615.

Edited by sushi., 23 January 2013 - 02:29 PM.