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Poll: Sakura Haruno: Opinion and Character (108 member(s) have cast votes)

Opinion of Sakura

  1. I love her! She's my favorite! (47 votes [43.52%])

    Percentage of vote: 43.52%

  2. I really like her, she's one of my favorites (47 votes [43.52%])

    Percentage of vote: 43.52%

  3. I like her, but she's not a favorite (10 votes [9.26%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.26%

  4. She's okay, but can be annoying/useless sometimes (4 votes [3.70%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.70%

  5. I don't care about Sakura (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  6. I hate Sakura (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#321 shadow_Uzumaki

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 04:51 PM

QUOTE (Chatte @ Jan 9 2013, 10:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Guys, does anyone here knows how to work with DA Journals? I've posted my analysis on my DA Journal as well but it's too damn long and pretty hard to follow because there's no function like [Read More] or Bold, Italics, stuff like that.
So could anyone lend me a help? smile.gif
Thanks in advance!



I don't know anything about DA Journals, but is it one, big block of text? If it is, you should break it up into paragraphs.

If it's not, simplest way to do it (again, I don't know anything about DA Journals) is to copy-paste it onto a Word program and do your bolding, italics, etc. on that instead then copy-paste it back to where you want to put it.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 04:52 PM

QUOTE (shadow_Uzumaki @ Jan 9 2013, 05:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't know anything about DA Journals, but is it one, big block of text? If it is, you should break it up into paragraphs.

If it's not, simplest way to do it (again, I don't know anything about DA Journals) is to copy-paste it onto a Word program and do your bolding, italics, etc. on that instead then copy-paste it back to where you want to put it.


I did break it into paragraphs to make it easier, and I did had it written with bolds and such on Tumblr, but on DA it didn't copy the format.

But the thing is, I saw on other journals, so I thought someone may knew. smile.gif

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 04:55 PM

QUOTE (Chatte @ Jan 9 2013, 10:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I did break it into paragraphs to make it easier, and I did had it written with bolds and such on Tumblr, but on DA it didn't copy the format.

But the thing is, I saw on other journals, so I thought someone may knew. smile.gif



Aw, okay. That's the the extent of my assistance, then. XD

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 05:00 PM

QUOTE (shadow_Uzumaki @ Jan 9 2013, 05:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Aw, okay. That's the the extent of my assistance, then. XD

Thanks anyway! happy.gif

LE: I asked because it looks like this: http://chatteart.deviantart.com/

Quite strange and LONG! (and that's divided in 3 major parts, whereas on Tumblr it's on 12)

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 05:04 PM

QUOTE (Chatte @ Jan 9 2013, 11:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Thanks anyway! happy.gif

LE: I asked because it looks like this: http://chatteart.deviantart.com/

Quite strange and LONG! (and that's divided in 3 major parts, whereas on Tumblr it's on 12)


I dunno, it looks fine to me. Just a bit long, is all.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 05:23 PM

QUOTE (shadow_Uzumaki @ Jan 9 2013, 06:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I dunno, it looks fine to me. Just a bit long, is all.

Yeah that's why I was wondering if there would be something like a [Read More] code.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 05:29 PM

QUOTE (Chatte @ Jan 9 2013, 08:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeah that's why I was wondering if there would be something like a [Read More] code.

Try to send a message to another user on deviant art, and see if he/she something about it.

Edited by T XD, 09 January 2013 - 05:34 PM.


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Posted 09 January 2013 - 10:53 PM

QUOTE (Chatte @ Jan 7 2013, 02:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well, guys, I started doing this analysis of Sakura. I'd really want to know your opinion about it.
Thanks! smile.gif

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Chatte spread it to the world! more people should read this!! It made me realize so many sides of Sakura that I hadn't noticed and made ​​me understand the purpose of her in the story. I always thought that Kishi hadn't given much attention to her character but he did and I must say he did a good job when we realize that she is there to represent that human side. We have so many examples of perfect heroines out there, those flawless and incredible in everything they do and then Kishi creates that human heroine who makes mistakes and has flaws but she also has qualities and the best intentions, he made her just like us so we could understand her and appreciate her development, This is just brilliant. I think I respect Kishimoto more as a writer now and his audacity to create such a character, even though I still hope that he develops her more and more in the future.

Sakura is brilliant as a character, her meaning in the story is deep and probably because of that I got a little sad because she isn't and probably never will be admired by the fandom as she should because people are more willing to admire characters so common in other stories like Hinata than characters like Sakura.

I think I love her more now and that's thanks to you! I cant wait to read the rest of your analysis of her character! keep up the good work! wink.gif

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 11:16 PM

QUOTE (T XD @ Jan 9 2013, 06:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Try to send a message to another user on deviant art, and see if he/she something about it.


I did and finally found out. YAY!
Only that I have TONS of things to modify. Oh, God...

QUOTE (Tsubaki @ Jan 9 2013, 11:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Chatte spread it to the world! more people should read this!! It made me realize so many sides of Sakura that I hadn't noticed and made ​​me understand the purpose of her in the story. I always thought that Kishi hadn't given much attention to her character but he did and I must say he did a good job when we realize that she is there to represent that human side. We have so many examples of perfect heroines out there, those flawless and incredible in everything they do and then Kishi creates that human heroine who makes mistakes and has flaws but she also has qualities and the best intentions, he made her just like us so we could understand her and appreciate her development, This is just brilliant. I think I respect Kishimoto more as a writer now and his audacity to create such a character, even though I still hope that he develops her more and more in the future.

Sakura is brilliant as a character, her meaning in the story is deep and probably because of that I got a little sad because she isn't and probably never will be admired by the fandom as she should because people are more willing to admire characters so common in other stories like Hinata than characters like Sakura.

I think I love her more now and that's thanks to you! I cant wait to read the rest of your analysis of her character! keep up the good work! wink.gif


Awee, thank you sweetie!
Well, For now, I have it spread on my Tumblr and DeviantArt. And those who read it said kinda the same thing.
That she has no relevance to the story whatsoever. Actually, I started doing this analysis after a 'fight' I had with another user or another forum who said to me that Sakura is kinda nothing.
Let me copy what he said here, I'd like to hear some opinions.

So, in that thread, my initial opinion was this:

ME: One of the major themes in Naruto is holding on to your humanity. As Kishimoto stated himself, he wanted to show her off as an irritating character with good intentions. He even told that he is fond of Sakura because from all the characters, she has a more human feel to her than the other characters.

But putting that aside, as I said it's about holding on to your humanity, emotions and, as well, protecting the ones you love. Becoming a tool in this old idea which seems to be discarded by many, but getting back in time look at Haku and Zabuza, Sasori, it was all about being a ninja tool and in order to be able to do that one must kill his emotions, yet, in the end, was that humanity that they came back to and they sacrificed themselves in order to make a way for a hopeful future where ninjas are more humanized, when all put aside their pains, hatred so on and so forth - and here we relate to Pein arc. Once again, great example of holding to your humanity.

Sakura revolving around Sasuke's existance? While this might be true up to a certain point, she developed more than that, she put aside her weakness for him and started working to get better and better. If you're going to bring me that thing with killing Sasuke, that once again represents an example of where emotions come in play.

Sakura failing to kill Sasuke happened because her emotions got in the way, yes, but look at the decision she had to make here. She took it upon herself to try and kill the boy she loves, the boy she previously sworn to protect, which goes against a major theme in Naruto. If Sakura killed Sasuke, she would have lost a part of herself that made her human and destroyed the ideal of protecting her loved ones. Since she is the EMBODIMENT of this ideal, it would have made no sense, story wise, for her to actually kill Sasuke. This is very obvious.

Sasuke represents that weak part that we all have. It's balance, yin and yang, you name it.
While Naruto is her strong part, Sasuke is her weak part. In Team 7 she always was the balance between Naruto and Sasuke.
While she was some sort of genius in her own way, like Sasuke, and untalented ninja as Naruto.
Genius because out of K11, Sakura's been noted the most intelligent. Intelligent as in book-worm, not tactician as Shikamaru, don't misinterpret that and untalented as Naruto because we saw that she didn't have anything special, she was just literally applying the teachings from ninja classes and Naruto was as well, untalented at the beginning, if you remember.
Wasn't able to do a proper bunshin.

So, next time when you say she has no plot-relevance, I'd advise you to think twice. You can hate her how much you want but that doesn't mean she's not belonging to this story when she is centered around the most important idea in this manga.

But people usually see the surface of stories rather than the depths.

HIM: I think you are misinterpreting the term humanity, which simply means human-like and nothing more in its original and main contextual meaning. It has nothing to do with growing better or becoming a better person. Most of your analysis of her character is just your own opinion and is not a very insightful one. I mean no disrespect, but i will be blunt here.

You want to understand why I said her existence doesn't grow beyond Sasuke? Let's see, her original reasons to even become a better ninja were to impress Sasuke, and not become a hindrance and contribute to his fights. An author only has to show the core motive once. He/she doesn't need to write it over and over and over again to make a point. The core motive for Sakura was and always has been Sasuke, never anything else.

Let's see her so-called character development. Don't put aside her core motive, and look at this; In the first part of manga, all she wanted was Sasuke to like her. She worked hard, and tried to not get in his way. This was more profound during the fight with orochimaru and afterwards. Her Sakura blossoms episode elaborates on this fully. The part where she cuts her hair off is shown as painful because Sasuke liked long hair. That part is accentuated in the manga and aligned with her growth; that even if she destroyed the perfect image of a girl Sasuke had in mind, she fought for him.

After the fight, she repeatedly tried to force him to stay out of the competition. Link the previous point with this; Character growth based on the fact that she wanted to be strong for Sasuke. During her fight with Ino, her entire reason for even striving harder were to get close to Sasuke. And both of them vowed this during the match, that who will be the better of them.

When Sasuke chased Gaara and she got injured. She was only going after him and was unworried for anything else around her. Even if Naruto saved her, she was persistent that it was Sasuke. Showing her desire that she stood up for him at the forest, so he must have in return cared for her while she was knocked out; acknowledging her efforts. She kept going to nurse him daily, showing her one-sided, growing infatuation. When he decided to leave, she even said she would join him, and when he left anyway, she selfishly turned to Naruto; the only person she knew who wouldn't turn her down.

Naruto failed, but kept his promise. So at the closing of the first part of her development, she wanted Sasuke to acknowledge and love her back, hence the reason she worked hard to not become a hindrance and be liked by him by achieving something. The promise of hers is a point of movement character-wise to the next arc, and the second core point of her development; become stronger to get Sasuke back.

Now, you cannot just simply throw away all this development for your own convenience. Keep all these points into consideration and let's look at her part two development. She worked hard to become a decent medic-nin to become a support for Naruto's team, as she knew he would return and they would set off to start their search again. During all this time, she never, not even once cared what Naruto was going through, But Sai noted her selfishness to blindly run after Sasuke.

They reunited and if Orochimaru had not stepped in, the whole team would have been killed by Sasuke, including her. She knew he was not sparing her, and yet, she STILL wanted Naruto to continue on with his promise. Never-mind the fact that her over-boiling emotions were always met with complete indifference, Sasuke always thought she was annoying and irritating - which is obviously she is - and the team 7 reunion would have been the death of her. It never wavered her resolve to seek his love and acknowledgement.

She continued on with the team and when she found out he was an ataksuki member, we all know how she reacted. Naruto still wanted to get her acknowledgement and love, hence he still decided to go on with the promise. Sai reasoned with her seeing Naruto's misery, and she decided to kill him herself in some sort of lovers suicide, as according to her, she loved him, so he must die by her hand. In doing so, she would save him and grant him redemption.

After he almost killed her the second time, she is still at the same point where she started from; one-sided love, desire for Sasuke's love, his acknowledgement, and the hope to get more strength to save him because she loves him. Which part of this were you not able to understand in the manga?

If garbage ever had a name, it would be Sakura, Ino, Karin, Hinata and a few others. But Sakura comes to mind first somehow.


So after his response, I decided to start doing the analysis as one of my biggest responses to Naruto fandom, ever.
This will be my response to him, once the analysis is finished.
Anyway, I'd like to hear opinions.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 11:30 PM

Chatte: I enjoyed most of your analysis, except for one thing. In an analysis, try to be more formal. To ask people to kittenslap themselves if they think Sakura is useless is not such a good writing technique. The same goes for swearing. Other than that, it looked like you've put through a lot of work into it, I hope you'll update soon : D

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 11:38 PM

QUOTE (Chatte @ Jan 10 2013, 03:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I did and finally found out. YAY!
Only that I have TONS of things to modify. Oh, God...



Awee, thank you sweetie!
Well, For now, I have it spread on my Tumblr and DeviantArt. And those who read it said kinda the same thing.
That she has no relevance to the story whatsoever. Actually, I started doing this analysis after a 'fight' I had with another user or another forum who said to me that Sakura is kinda nothing.
Let me copy what he said here, I'd like to hear some opinions.

So, in that thread, my initial opinion was this:

ME: One of the major themes in Naruto is holding on to your humanity. As Kishimoto stated himself, he wanted to show her off as an irritating character with good intentions. He even told that he is fond of Sakura because from all the characters, she has a more human feel to her than the other characters.

But putting that aside, as I said it's about holding on to your humanity, emotions and, as well, protecting the ones you love. Becoming a tool in this old idea which seems to be discarded by many, but getting back in time look at Haku and Zabuza, Sasori, it was all about being a ninja tool and in order to be able to do that one must kill his emotions, yet, in the end, was that humanity that they came back to and they sacrificed themselves in order to make a way for a hopeful future where ninjas are more humanized, when all put aside their pains, hatred so on and so forth - and here we relate to Pein arc. Once again, great example of holding to your humanity.

Sakura revolving around Sasuke's existance? While this might be true up to a certain point, she developed more than that, she put aside her weakness for him and started working to get better and better. If you're going to bring me that thing with killing Sasuke, that once again represents an example of where emotions come in play.

Sakura failing to kill Sasuke happened because her emotions got in the way, yes, but look at the decision she had to make here. She took it upon herself to try and kill the boy she loves, the boy she previously sworn to protect, which goes against a major theme in Naruto. If Sakura killed Sasuke, she would have lost a part of herself that made her human and destroyed the ideal of protecting her loved ones. Since she is the EMBODIMENT of this ideal, it would have made no sense, story wise, for her to actually kill Sasuke. This is very obvious.

Sasuke represents that weak part that we all have. It's balance, yin and yang, you name it.
While Naruto is her strong part, Sasuke is her weak part. In Team 7 she always was the balance between Naruto and Sasuke.
While she was some sort of genius in her own way, like Sasuke, and untalented ninja as Naruto.
Genius because out of K11, Sakura's been noted the most intelligent. Intelligent as in book-worm, not tactician as Shikamaru, don't misinterpret that and untalented as Naruto because we saw that she didn't have anything special, she was just literally applying the teachings from ninja classes and Naruto was as well, untalented at the beginning, if you remember.
Wasn't able to do a proper bunshin.

So, next time when you say she has no plot-relevance, I'd advise you to think twice. You can hate her how much you want but that doesn't mean she's not belonging to this story when she is centered around the most important idea in this manga.

But people usually see the surface of stories rather than the depths.

HIM: I think you are misinterpreting the term humanity, which simply means human-like and nothing more in its original and main contextual meaning. It has nothing to do with growing better or becoming a better person. Most of your analysis of her character is just your own opinion and is not a very insightful one. I mean no disrespect, but i will be blunt here.

You want to understand why I said her existence doesn't grow beyond Sasuke? Let's see, her original reasons to even become a better ninja were to impress Sasuke, and not become a hindrance and contribute to his fights. An author only has to show the core motive once. He/she doesn't need to write it over and over and over again to make a point. The core motive for Sakura was and always has been Sasuke, never anything else.

Let's see her so-called character development. Don't put aside her core motive, and look at this; In the first part of manga, all she wanted was Sasuke to like her. She worked hard, and tried to not get in his way. This was more profound during the fight with orochimaru and afterwards. Her Sakura blossoms episode elaborates on this fully. The part where she cuts her hair off is shown as painful because Sasuke liked long hair. That part is accentuated in the manga and aligned with her growth; that even if she destroyed the perfect image of a girl Sasuke had in mind, she fought for him.

After the fight, she repeatedly tried to force him to stay out of the competition. Link the previous point with this; Character growth based on the fact that she wanted to be strong for Sasuke. During her fight with Ino, her entire reason for even striving harder were to get close to Sasuke. And both of them vowed this during the match, that who will be the better of them.

When Sasuke chased Gaara and she got injured. She was only going after him and was unworried for anything else around her. Even if Naruto saved her, she was persistent that it was Sasuke. Showing her desire that she stood up for him at the forest, so he must have in return cared for her while she was knocked out; acknowledging her efforts. She kept going to nurse him daily, showing her one-sided, growing infatuation. When he decided to leave, she even said she would join him, and when he left anyway, she selfishly turned to Naruto; the only person she knew who wouldn't turn her down.

Naruto failed, but kept his promise. So at the closing of the first part of her development, she wanted Sasuke to acknowledge and love her back, hence the reason she worked hard to not become a hindrance and be liked by him by achieving something. The promise of hers is a point of movement character-wise to the next arc, and the second core point of her development; become stronger to get Sasuke back.

Now, you cannot just simply throw away all this development for your own convenience. Keep all these points into consideration and let's look at her part two development. She worked hard to become a decent medic-nin to become a support for Naruto's team, as she knew he would return and they would set off to start their search again. During all this time, she never, not even once cared what Naruto was going through, But Sai noted her selfishness to blindly run after Sasuke.

They reunited and if Orochimaru had not stepped in, the whole team would have been killed by Sasuke, including her. She knew he was not sparing her, and yet, she STILL wanted Naruto to continue on with his promise. Never-mind the fact that her over-boiling emotions were always met with complete indifference, Sasuke always thought she was annoying and irritating - which is obviously she is - and the team 7 reunion would have been the death of her. It never wavered her resolve to seek his love and acknowledgement.

She continued on with the team and when she found out he was an ataksuki member, we all know how she reacted. Naruto still wanted to get her acknowledgement and love, hence he still decided to go on with the promise. Sai reasoned with her seeing Naruto's misery, and she decided to kill him herself in some sort of lovers suicide, as according to her, she loved him, so he must die by her hand. In doing so, she would save him and grant him redemption.

After he almost killed her the second time, she is still at the same point where she started from; one-sided love, desire for Sasuke's love, his acknowledgement, and the hope to get more strength to save him because she loves him. Which part of this were you not able to understand in the manga?

If garbage ever had a name, it would be Sakura, Ino, Karin, Hinata and a few others. But Sakura comes to mind first somehow.


So after his response, I decided to start doing the analysis as one of my biggest responses to Naruto fandom, ever.
This will be my response to him, once the analysis is finished.
Anyway, I'd like to hear opinions.


Saw these comments many times from NH fans and I'm not surprised if he is one fu.png. I even don't know why he still sees her motives to do better as clinging to Sasuke like she was in part 1. She still have leftover feelings for him and it's on purpose remained for the future which every reader should know this.
And this:
QUOTE (Chatte @ Jan 10 2013, 03:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If garbage ever had a name, it would be Sakura, Ino, Karin, Hinata and a few others. But Sakura comes to mind first somehow.

He clearly is confident in bashing her. If I were you, I would at least bash.gif... seriously, why would he want to say something like this ?!!!

Edited by T XD, 09 January 2013 - 11:42 PM.


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Posted 09 January 2013 - 11:39 PM

QUOTE (sushi. @ Jan 9 2013, 11:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Chatte: I enjoyed most of your analysis, except for one thing. In an analysis, try to be more formal. To ask people to kittenslap themselves if they think Sakura is useless is not such a good writing technique. The same goes for swearing. Other than that, it looked like you've put through a lot of work into it, I hope you'll update soon : D

Now that I think at it, you're right.
I started doing it in a bad mood, heh. happy.gif
I should try to change that, heh. biggrin.gif
Thanks for the advice!

QUOTE (T XD @ Jan 9 2013, 11:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Saw these comments many times from NH fans and I'm not surprised if he is one fu.png. I even don't know why he still sees her motives to do better as clinging to Sasuke like she was in part 1. She still have leftover feelings for him and it's on purpose remained for the future which every reader should know this.
And this:

He clearly is confident in bashing her. If I were you, I would at least bash.gif... seriously, why would he want to say something like this ?!!!


He's not NH or any related pairing fans. He just likes Sasuke and what his character means and displays, etc.
Anyway, Sasuke is his fav. character so... you make the conclusion. What values are promoted via Sasuke, so on, and so forth...

Edited by Chatte, 09 January 2013 - 11:40 PM.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 11:49 PM

QUOTE (Chatte @ Jan 10 2013, 03:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
He's not NH or any related pairing fans. He just likes Sasuke and what his character means and displays, etc.
Anyway, Sasuke is his fav. character so... you make the conclusion. What values are promoted via Sasuke, so on, and so forth...

So, he's interpreting and relating her to Sasuke. But, maybe he didn't make it in that way.
But, still, the last part is not needed to be written.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 11:51 PM

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So, he's interpreting and relating her to Sasuke. But, maybe he didn't make it in that way.
But, still, the last part is not needed to be written.


I know.
But he's totally against her. And basically any other character from Naruto other than Sasuke.
And he's one of those bashful guys.
Smart, nonetheless, however, his personality is something I'd rather have not.
He speaks so ugly. He called her trash here, on another discussion garbage, makes him puke, etc.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 11:53 PM

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I did and finally found out. YAY!
Only that I have TONS of things to modify. Oh, God...



Awee, thank you sweetie!
Well, For now, I have it spread on my Tumblr and DeviantArt. And those who read it said kinda the same thing.
That she has no relevance to the story whatsoever. Actually, I started doing this analysis after a 'fight' I had with another user or another forum who said to me that Sakura is kinda nothing.
Let me copy what he said here, I'd like to hear some opinions.

So, in that thread, my initial opinion was this:

ME: One of the major themes in Naruto is holding on to your humanity. As Kishimoto stated himself, he wanted to show her off as an irritating character with good intentions. He even told that he is fond of Sakura because from all the characters, she has a more human feel to her than the other characters.

But putting that aside, as I said it's about holding on to your humanity, emotions and, as well, protecting the ones you love. Becoming a tool in this old idea which seems to be discarded by many, but getting back in time look at Haku and Zabuza, Sasori, it was all about being a ninja tool and in order to be able to do that one must kill his emotions, yet, in the end, was that humanity that they came back to and they sacrificed themselves in order to make a way for a hopeful future where ninjas are more humanized, when all put aside their pains, hatred so on and so forth - and here we relate to Pein arc. Once again, great example of holding to your humanity.

Sakura revolving around Sasuke's existance? While this might be true up to a certain point, she developed more than that, she put aside her weakness for him and started working to get better and better. If you're going to bring me that thing with killing Sasuke, that once again represents an example of where emotions come in play.

Sakura failing to kill Sasuke happened because her emotions got in the way, yes, but look at the decision she had to make here. She took it upon herself to try and kill the boy she loves, the boy she previously sworn to protect, which goes against a major theme in Naruto. If Sakura killed Sasuke, she would have lost a part of herself that made her human and destroyed the ideal of protecting her loved ones. Since she is the EMBODIMENT of this ideal, it would have made no sense, story wise, for her to actually kill Sasuke. This is very obvious.

Sasuke represents that weak part that we all have. It's balance, yin and yang, you name it.
While Naruto is her strong part, Sasuke is her weak part. In Team 7 she always was the balance between Naruto and Sasuke.
While she was some sort of genius in her own way, like Sasuke, and untalented ninja as Naruto.
Genius because out of K11, Sakura's been noted the most intelligent. Intelligent as in book-worm, not tactician as Shikamaru, don't misinterpret that and untalented as Naruto because we saw that she didn't have anything special, she was just literally applying the teachings from ninja classes and Naruto was as well, untalented at the beginning, if you remember.
Wasn't able to do a proper bunshin.

So, next time when you say she has no plot-relevance, I'd advise you to think twice. You can hate her how much you want but that doesn't mean she's not belonging to this story when she is centered around the most important idea in this manga.

But people usually see the surface of stories rather than the depths.

HIM: I think you are misinterpreting the term humanity, which simply means human-like and nothing more in its original and main contextual meaning. It has nothing to do with growing better or becoming a better person. Most of your analysis of her character is just your own opinion and is not a very insightful one. I mean no disrespect, but i will be blunt here.

You want to understand why I said her existence doesn't grow beyond Sasuke? Let's see, her original reasons to even become a better ninja were to impress Sasuke, and not become a hindrance and contribute to his fights. An author only has to show the core motive once. He/she doesn't need to write it over and over and over again to make a point. The core motive for Sakura was and always has been Sasuke, never anything else.

Let's see her so-called character development. Don't put aside her core motive, and look at this; In the first part of manga, all she wanted was Sasuke to like her. She worked hard, and tried to not get in his way. This was more profound during the fight with orochimaru and afterwards. Her Sakura blossoms episode elaborates on this fully. The part where she cuts her hair off is shown as painful because Sasuke liked long hair. That part is accentuated in the manga and aligned with her growth; that even if she destroyed the perfect image of a girl Sasuke had in mind, she fought for him.

After the fight, she repeatedly tried to force him to stay out of the competition. Link the previous point with this; Character growth based on the fact that she wanted to be strong for Sasuke. During her fight with Ino, her entire reason for even striving harder were to get close to Sasuke. And both of them vowed this during the match, that who will be the better of them.

When Sasuke chased Gaara and she got injured. She was only going after him and was unworried for anything else around her. Even if Naruto saved her, she was persistent that it was Sasuke. Showing her desire that she stood up for him at the forest, so he must have in return cared for her while she was knocked out; acknowledging her efforts. She kept going to nurse him daily, showing her one-sided, growing infatuation. When he decided to leave, she even said she would join him, and when he left anyway, she selfishly turned to Naruto; the only person she knew who wouldn't turn her down.

Naruto failed, but kept his promise. So at the closing of the first part of her development, she wanted Sasuke to acknowledge and love her back, hence the reason she worked hard to not become a hindrance and be liked by him by achieving something. The promise of hers is a point of movement character-wise to the next arc, and the second core point of her development; become stronger to get Sasuke back.

Now, you cannot just simply throw away all this development for your own convenience. Keep all these points into consideration and let's look at her part two development. She worked hard to become a decent medic-nin to become a support for Naruto's team, as she knew he would return and they would set off to start their search again. During all this time, she never, not even once cared what Naruto was going through, But Sai noted her selfishness to blindly run after Sasuke.

They reunited and if Orochimaru had not stepped in, the whole team would have been killed by Sasuke, including her. She knew he was not sparing her, and yet, she STILL wanted Naruto to continue on with his promise. Never-mind the fact that her over-boiling emotions were always met with complete indifference, Sasuke always thought she was annoying and irritating - which is obviously she is - and the team 7 reunion would have been the death of her. It never wavered her resolve to seek his love and acknowledgement.

She continued on with the team and when she found out he was an ataksuki member, we all know how she reacted. Naruto still wanted to get her acknowledgement and love, hence he still decided to go on with the promise. Sai reasoned with her seeing Naruto's misery, and she decided to kill him herself in some sort of lovers suicide, as according to her, she loved him, so he must die by her hand. In doing so, she would save him and grant him redemption.

After he almost killed her the second time, she is still at the same point where she started from; one-sided love, desire for Sasuke's love, his acknowledgement, and the hope to get more strength to save him because she loves him. Which part of this were you not able to understand in the manga?

If garbage ever had a name, it would be Sakura, Ino, Karin, Hinata and a few others. But Sakura comes to mind first somehow.


So after his response, I decided to start doing the analysis as one of my biggest responses to Naruto fandom, ever.
This will be my response to him, once the analysis is finished.
Anyway, I'd like to hear opinions.

I agree with this guy said about part 1 but part 2 it's shown that her training and her desire to become strong was to proctect both Naruto and Sasuke, and the fight with Sasori stated it, later it's show more than thousand of times her care for Naruto's well being,

This bolded, she give up on saving Sasuke which were enforced on the meeting, she said that she can do anything about this, and let it on Naruto's hands, about Sakura still is a unfinished character, and didnt get a strong development in ages, yes Sasuke tried to kill her but she does not love someome else, Naruto's close but she still didnt fall in love with him.

Agree with the last bolded, all the female characts somehow has problems, Ino still loves Sasuke with 0 development, Karin is going after Sasuke after all she did, but calling Sakura garbage is way too much, for me Sakura is a miserable one, she's far miserable than Naruto, she's the characters that suffers the most on team 7 and finishing this thought this is all about Naruto and Sasuke, they both made her suffer, Naruto who cant make a resolution or give confidence to her with his words( yeah it's ages since the last time Naruto had a talk with Sakura about feelings and stuff) she would be garbage if after all this she ends up with Sasuke.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 11:58 PM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Jan 9 2013, 11:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I agree with this guy said about part 1 but part 2 it's shown that her training and her desire to become strong was to proctect both Naruto and Sasuke, and the fight with Sasori stated it, later it's show more than thousand of times her care for Naruto's well being,

This bolded, she give up on saving Sasuke which were enforced on the meeting, she said that she can do anything about this, and let it on Naruto's hands, about Sakura still is a unfinished character, and didnt get a strong development in ages, yes Sasuke tried to kill her but she does not love someome else, Naruto's close but she still didnt fall in love with him.

Agree with the last bolded, all the female characts somehow has problems, Ino still loves Sasuke with 0 development, Karin is going after Sasuke after all she did, but calling Sakura garbage is way too much, for me Sakura is a miserable one, she's far miserable than Naruto, she's the characters that suffers the most on team 7 and finishing this thought this is all about Naruto and Sasuke, they both made her suffer, Naruto who cant make a resolution or give confidence to her with his words( yeah it's ages since the last time Naruto had a talk with Sakura about feelings and stuff) she would be garbage if after all this she ends up with Sasuke.


Well, I for once, I strongly disagree with him in certain parts. Sakura wasn't all about Sasuke and I think I've showed it many times. Not to mention that the reason she wanted to become stronger is to not let Naruto do it on his own, next time, after she saw him how badly hurt he got.
I'd say it's more for Naruto's sake, than for her sake.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 12:02 AM

QUOTE (Chatte @ Jan 9 2013, 08:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well, I for once, I strongly disagree with him in certain parts. Sakura wasn't all about Sasuke and I think I've showed it many times. Not to mention that the reason she wanted to become stronger is to not let Naruto do it on his own, next time, after she saw him how badly hurt he got.
I'd say it's more for Naruto's sake, than for her sake.

part 1 she was, i admit, she was all about Sasuke she only true acknowledge Naruto on the end of part 1.

Part 2 he missed a lot of things.
Part 2 i even got some doubts on the reuniting arc, i know she was doing that for Naruto but she had a thought of wanting to go with Sasuke again.

My hope is Naruto make Sakura fall in love with him, she would've become a better character than she's now.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 12:10 AM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Jan 10 2013, 12:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
part 1 she was, i admit, she was all about Sasuke she only true acknowledge Naruto on the end of part 1.

Part 2 he missed a lot of things.
Part 2 i even got some doubts on the reuniting arc, i know she was doing that for Naruto but she had a thought of wanting to go with Sasuke again.

My hope is Naruto make Sakura fall in love with him, she would've become a better character than she's now.


She was apparently all Sasuke, but it wasn't always. Sakura made major moves for Naruto's sake as well, but people don't get past their "Sakura fangirls Sasuke" goggles to see that.
That was the surface, I agree, however, the deep, true Sakura there, had more things going on for her than Sasuke.
I just can't wait to get there and explain it.

Part 2, sorry, but I strongly disagree. She didn't want to go with Sasuke. That was a plan to get him. Why do you think Sasuke made her kill Karin? Because he knew Sakura would never be able to do such a thing as betraying Konoha or kill someone because of her way to be.
Sakura never really killed anyone. Sasuke knew this better than anyone, that's why he made her do it and, he was right.
But anyway.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 12:13 AM

QUOTE (Chatte @ Jan 9 2013, 09:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
She was apparently all Sasuke, but it wasn't always. Sakura made major moves for Naruto's sake as well, but people don't get past their "Sakura fangirls Sasuke" goggles to see that.
That was the surface, I agree, however, the deep, true Sakura there, had more things going on for her than Sasuke.
I just can't wait to get there and explain it.

Part 2, sorry, but I strongly disagree. She didn't want to go with Sasuke. That was a plan to get him. Why do you think Sasuke made her kill Karin? Because he knew Sakura would never be able to do such a thing as betraying Konoha or kill someone because of her way to be.
Sakura never really killed anyone. Sasuke knew this better than anyone, that's why he made her do it and, he was right.
But anyway.

She said "she does not matter" she had a thought of leaving with him, it's different than acting.
I talked about this thousand of times, that's the main difference of part 1, and my point of saying that she was all about Sasuke on the part 1 is because she wanted ot go with him leaving Naruto behind, in other words Naruto didnt had the importance he has now to her life, the difference is even if she thinks about it she cant do it, because of Naruto.

Naruto would have never leave Sakura's behind and she almost did that with him on part 1.
he almost sacrificed his life on gaara's fight.
If you stop to think how she sucks on part 1, you will understand why i hated her character on part 1, Naruto did everything for her, more than Sasuke thousand of time,s and still she tried to leave him behind.
It was the biggest failure of her character.

On part two she grow a feeling to protect Naruto despire loving Sasuke she put Naruto first as a matter of her redemption or something like that.
Part 2 reunition of team 7 proved this, she had the thought of leaving with Sasuke but she cared for Naruto and she would not leave him behind, she would die there.

She knew that she could not kill or land the finishing blow on Sasuke, she went on a suicide mission for me that was the reason why she leave sai,rock lee and kiba behind, try to kill sasuke or die.

And this is the reason why i dont want her to be paired with Sasuke.

@BOLDED.

She didnt had a plan, when Kakashi arrived he talked about what Sai told to him, if she planned to kill him for real, she would not had that thought and the "if if i do this..."

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 12:34 AM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Jan 10 2013, 12:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
She said "she does not matter" she had a thought of leaving with him, it's different than acting.
I talked about this thousand of times, that's the main difference of part 1, and my point of saying that she was all about Sasuke on the part 1 is because she wanted ot go with him leaving Naruto behind, in other words Naruto didnt had the importance he has now to her life, the difference is even if she thinks about it she cant do it, because of Naruto.

Naruto would have never leave Sakura's behind and she almost did that with him on part 1.
he almost sacrificed his life on gaara's fight.
If you stop to think how she sucks on part 1, you will understand why i hated her character on part 1, Naruto did everything for her, more than Sasuke thousand of time,s and still she tried to leave him behind.
It was the biggest failure of her character.

On part two she grow a feeling to protect Naruto despire loving Sasuke she put Naruto first as a matter of her redemption or something like that.
Part 2 reunition of team 7 proved this, she had the thought of leaving with Sasuke but she cared for Naruto and she would not leave him behind, she would die there.


I strongly disagree there as well... From the very beginning, Sakura was investigating him, if you look at it. Sasuke even says "What are you trying to pull" and she says "I have no ulterior motive".
This is the part where Sasuke discovers her "secret" as well as, he knew the Sakura who begged him in Part 1 not to leave, and the Sakura from part 2, way different.
As they continue to speak, she's just like i'll do this and this and this, I'll be your puppy. Something like that. Bad acting. And Sasuke knew it. He had just seen the difference with her and Karin. Karin was there for him, but if there would've been something she wouldn't like about him, she would've smacked him. Well, not literally, but you get the idea.
That's why he said to her he wanted to crush Konoha, to see her reaction, and Sakura got shocked at this news and kept insisting "if that's what you want me to do..." Sasuke knew this was all a bluff.
That's why, in order to prove him, he asked to kill Karin. Sakura's reaction... she starts all sweating, etc. She tries to pull the time by asking who she is, so on and so forth, while inside her she keeps analyzing him.
By her body language Sasuke knew that she will not going to do it, betray Konoha and go with him. Sasuke is not stupid.
He knew she was trying to pull something. Meaning, getting him killed with that Poisoned Kunai.
So no, there wasn't any reason to think she would leave Konoha and Sasuke knows this.
"She doesn't matter... If I... If I... If I stab Sasuke-kun right now, all this will end"
That was the full extent of her thoughts.
She was always thinking to turn and stab Sasuke, not Karin. So once again, I strongly disagree.
Sorry.

As for the rest, Gaara thing, she didn't knew it was him that saved her because she was uncounscious.
And making mistakes from which she has to learn was part of Sakura's character in part 1.

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