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[tricksie]

i kinda agree with him.

i mean come on people. if SAKURA did the same thing you would be just like the hinata fans.

and what hinata did was admirable, she wanted to help him, even if it meant dying.

its selfish....but that doesnt mean it was bad.

its not a matter how having faith in someone. i mean lets face it HE WAS PINNED DOWN!!

so you people are saying you WOULDNT go out and help someone if they were about to get killed JUST cause they said "stay out of the fight"

thats dumb. if thats true then lots of characters would have been dead a long time ago.

the only reason SAKURA DIDNT go out there isnt cause she had FAITH in him. its cause she couldnt SEE what was happening.

hinata had the byakugan and was closer. sakura was faaaaaar away. they village isnt small ya know.

sakura would have been there too if she knew, but the byakugan person telling her what was happening wasnt giving the details. (look up the chapter)

im tired of people thinking hinata had no faith and should have stayed outta it........its dumb.

sakura has already tired to run at kyuubi naruto. that wasnt the smartest thing and yamato told her not to. does that make her a horrible character?

NO it makes her a caring character that wanted to help naruto even if it hurt her. same with hinata.

Hmm....

The thing is, Hinata saying she knows she's selfish sets the tone for the 'selfless' act to follow.

It's not just as simple as "Hinata was closer, otherwise Sakura would have done the same." Because Hinata said that she was selfish, it lets us know that she is conciously going against what she knows is right. She, herself, tells us it's more than just rushing out to save him. She's wrapped her own emotional hurdles up with her love of Naruto. This is where her selfless act turns selfish.

It doesn't make her less caring, but it certainly does not give them an equal partnership.

It's ironic too that what she's saying is in fact the opposite of what's going on. It's very much the same as when Naruto responded to Sakura's "I love you" with an "I hate" statement. To me, I think it's a subtle way of showing that the two parties aren't communicating on the same level. (Hinata here, and, imho, Naruto there.)

Anyway I also think this is reference point for readers after-the-fact to know that Hinata already understands her feelings are one sided. This is not a truly selfless confession — she has to have a catastrophic push to enter into it — even though she exhibited this great bravery in entering the fray. A truly selfless confession comes at a great cost to self. Not through bravery, but through loss.

To contrast this, Sakura's confession (though true, imho) hid her real act of selflessness: that she would kill Sasuke to save Naruto, or die trying.

Hinata's sacrifice was the act of a moment. Sakura's was not. She had plenty of time to think of every variable, even though it wa still an act of desperation. Like giving yourself a death sentence and then hanging around till your execution day.

So I think Hinata's words are a clue for us to look back on that moment and know that she already understood something about her feelings. She knew it was spur of the moment, and she knew it was selfish. So when Naruto opens up fully to Sakura, the reader is not left scratching their heads about Hinata's lost love. She knows that love wasn't 100 percent about Naruto. It will make for an easier let-down.

Hope I'm making sense.... so...tired....

[merryGOflava]

Hmm....

The thing is, Hinata saying she knows she's selfish sets the tone for the 'selfless' act to follow.

It's not just as simple as "Hinata was closer, otherwise Sakura would have done the same." Because Hinata said that she was selfish, it lets us know that she is conciously going against what she knows is right. She, herself, tells us it's more than just rushing out to save him. She's wrapped her own emotional hurdles up with her love of Naruto. This is where her selfless act turns selfish.

It doesn't make her less caring, but it certainly does not give them an equal partnership.

It's ironic too that what she's saying is in fact the opposite of what's going on. It's very much the same as when Naruto responded to Sakura's "I love you" with an "I hate" statement. To me, I think it's a subtle way of showing that the two parties aren't communicating on the same level. (Hinata here, and, imho, Naruto there.)

Anyway I also think this is reference point for readers after-the-fact to know that Hinata already understands her feelings are one sided. This is not a truly selfless confession — she has to have a catastrophic push to enter into it — even though she exhibited this great bravery in entering the fray. A truly selfless confession comes at a great cost to self. Not through bravery, but through loss.

To contrast this, Sakura's confession (though true, imho) hid her real act of selflessness: that she would kill Sasuke to save Naruto, or die trying.

Hinata's sacrifice was the act of a moment. Sakura's was not. She had plenty of time to think of every variable, even though it wa still an act of desperation. Like giving yourself a death sentence and then hanging around till your execution day.

So I think Hinata's words are a clue for us to look back on that moment and know that she already understood something about her feelings. She knew it was spur of the moment, and she knew it was selfish. So when Naruto opens up fully to Sakura, the reader is not left scratching their heads about Hinata's lost love. She knows that love wasn't 100 percent about Naruto. It will make for an easier let-down.

Hope I'm making sense.... so...tired....

i never said what she did wasnt selfish. i said it was, but she obviously didnt just do it for herself she tried to help him out.

going out there could have been a reason to confess to naruto, but she still TIRED to help him.

and i think sakura would have been out there faster than hinata if she was closer and knew hoe much naruto was in trouble.

[Kyuzo Hatake]

Hinata's confession wasn't truly selfish. She wanted to help Naruto just like anyone else would and it was noble to do but she wasn't thinking things through. She charged in there on an
impulse without thinking, not caring whether she died or not. It was solely emotions and no deep thinking was involved. If Sakura had known what was going on, even though its canon fact
that Sakura has more faith in him then Naruto, she would do the same thing Hinata did. She would go against Naruto's wishes too. The only difference is that Sakura would likely analayze a way to save
Naruto other than just charging blindly like Hinata did. She has a tendency to do that after all. I was one of those NaruSaku fans that constantly spewed out "Hinata's confession was selfish" but some of these posts have changed my mind. The only selfish aspect of that confession was burdaning him with her confession because she figured she'd die but that's it. Honestly, Hinata's mind was clouded
with panic, anxiety, and desperation so her actions were poorly thought out and were stupid. Hinata cracked under the pressure and was being almost as reckless as Naruto is. You can't really blame
her, given the circumstances. How many of us wouldn't be thinking clearly? But I guess that she should have been smarter and more focused being a ninja and all.

Let's face it. Naruto was PINNED and seriously needed saving. We could say he would have figured a way out but it didn't seem likely. He pretty much gave up and was terribly confused. So in a way, Hinata did save Naruto but also made the situation worse at the same time. The only problem I have with Hinata's confession is that she wasn't thinking clearly or paying attention to Naruto's state. I wish she could have done more to help him but she was being stupid.

True,but after this she'll probably be a little smarter coz every time she's about to do this she'll remember what happened with Naruto.

Kyuzo Hatake:sakura:

[KeikoxYusuke]

i kinda agree with him.

i mean come on people. if SAKURA did the same thing you would be just like the hinata fans.

and what hinata did was admirable, she wanted to help him, even if it meant dying.

its selfish....but that doesnt mean it was bad.

its not a matter how having faith in someone. i mean lets face it HE WAS PINNED DOWN!!

so you people are saying you WOULDNT go out and help someone if they were about to get killed JUST cause they said "stay out of the fight"

thats dumb. if thats true then lots of characters would have been dead a long time ago.

the only reason SAKURA DIDNT go out there isnt cause she had FAITH in him. its cause she couldnt SEE what was happening.

hinata had the byakugan and was closer. sakura was faaaaaar away. they village isnt small ya know.

sakura would have been there too if she knew, but the byakugan person telling her what was happening wasnt giving the details. (look up the chapter)

im tired of people thinking hinata had no faith and should have stayed outta it........its dumb.

sakura has already tired to run at kyuubi naruto. that wasnt the smartest thing and yamato told her not to. does that make her a horrible character?

NO it makes her a caring character that wanted to help naruto even if it hurt her. same with hinata.

agree with this 100%!! while I wish both girls could have done more, there is nothing bad about them rushing to the aid of Naruto..No one here bashes Sakura for rushing at Naruto when he was transformed , so why so upset at Hinata? It just might be the pairing tension... Everyone needs to remember that even tho these girls are not perfect, they both have good intentions, Sakura's is seem more often cuse she is the Heroine afterall...but that doesn't mean that Hinata being Heroic for a change is a bad thing. in fact, most people loved it, and was worried for her.

like those of us that felt touched by Sakura's run/cry to Naruto, tended to enjoy this moment too. ( I'm nuts about pairings, and I love those kinds of things! ) so altho I love Narusaku to bits, I still love Hinata as a character, she is not my fave by any means, and I like Ino and Karin more then her, but she is still a great character.
( altho she needs to get out of her shell more..)

anyway, dang, sorry merry, I went of topic big time, your post was wonderful btw, and like I said before, I agree!

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

True,but after this she'll probably be a little smarter coz every time she's about to do this she'll remember what happened with Naruto.

Kyuzo Hatake:sakura:

Hopefully she will, Kyuzo .

[James S Cassidy]

Everyone needs to remember that even tho these girls are not perfect, they both have good intentions, Sakura's is seem more often cuse she is the Heroine afterall...but that doesn't mean that Hinata being Heroic for a change is a bad thing. in fact, most people loved it, and was worried for her.

Now hold on, there is one thing that might...change these view points.

Sakura's decision, while similar, is not entirely like Hinata. Hinata got in the way of a battle she couldn't fight because she thought Naruto needed help. Sakura went out on her own to defeat Sasuke so it didn't burden Naruto anymore. Both times the girls failed miserably and both times Naruto saved the day in the end.

Is this going to be a repeated thing?

If Hinata does something like that again, she not only could die, but the enemy could take advantage of such a situation. Naruto may not love her, but he still cares for her and like any damsel in distress could be used as a bartering chip leading to either Naruto being extremely hurt or even killed himself. These kind of actions can and has gotten people killed and in some stories, while noble intentions, have had characters being scolded for being reckless. Sometimes the best help is not helping at all so the good guy can reach full potential without problems or fear of hurting people by accident.

Is Hinata going to jump in the middle of the Tobi and Naruto's fight again? What if she causes more problems then it solves? Would this be considered selfish? I don't think Naruto wants a repeat of that situation because while Hinata got lucky this time, next time...she might not be.

ALSO...

Is Sakura going to go on those wild goose chases again and go off on her own? Again, Naruto cannot protect everyone if everyone tries to play the hero. If she repeats this over and over again, she could have the "Lois Lane complex." Constantly getting into mixes that might cause her great harm and then cry for Superman when things get out of hand. Being kidnapped is one thing, purposely walking into the enemies base is another.

This hasn't happened and hope it isn't repeated, but if it does I can't say that the others might be wrong in their assessment of calling them "selfish." While their intentions are noble, putting the hero through that and make him worry more about you than the deciding problem IS selfish. So before anyone claims victory know that even if you disagree with the people who say Hinata was selfish they do have a point in how reckless she was just so she could protect the man she loves.

They both get one stupid-point pass, but if they try something like that again, you can't defend the "selfish" remark anymore. They made a choice and they have to own up to the consequences they put upon themselves. I say, if you're only going to cause more problems than solve them, it's better to stay out of it.

I want to strongly make this clear so that both sides of this fence get a good legitimate fair opinion.

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

Now hold on, there is one thing that might...change these view points.

Sakura's decision, while similar, is not entirely like Hinata. Hinata got in the way of a battle she couldn't fight because she thought Naruto needed help. Sakura went out on her own to defeat Sasuke so it didn't burden Naruto anymore. Both times the girls failed miserably and both times Naruto saved the day in the end.

Is this going to be a repeated thing?

If Hinata does something like that again, she not only could die, but the enemy could take advantage of such a situation. Naruto may not love her, but he still cares for her and like any damsel in distress could be used as a bartering chip leading to either Naruto being extremely hurt or even killed himself. These kind of actions can and has gotten people killed and in some stories, while noble intentions, have had characters being scolded for being reckless. Sometimes the best help is not helping at all so the good guy can reach full potential without problems or fear of hurting people by accident.

Is Hinata going to jump in the middle of the Tobi and Naruto's fight again? What if she causes more problems then it solves? Would this be considered selfish? I don't think Naruto wants a repeat of that situation because while Hinata got lucky this time, next time...she might not be.

ALSO...

Is Sakura going to go on those wild goose chases again and go off on her own? Again, Naruto cannot protect everyone if everyone tries to play the hero. If she repeats this over and over again, she could have the "Lois Lane complex." Constantly getting into mixes that might cause her great harm and then cry for Superman when things get out of hand. Being kidnapped is one thing, purposely walking into the enemies base is another.

This hasn't happened and hope it isn't repeated, but if it does I can't say that the others might be wrong in their assessment of calling them "selfish." While their intentions are noble, putting the hero through that and make him worry more about you than the deciding problem IS selfish. So before anyone claims victory know that even if you disagree with the people who say Hinata was selfish they do have a point in how reckless she was just so she could protect the man she loves.

They both get one stupid-point pass, but if they try something like that again, you can't defend the "selfish" remark anymore. They made a choice and they have to own up to the consequences they put upon themselves. I say, if you're only going to cause more problems than solve them, it's better to stay out of it.

I want to strongly make this clear so that both sides of this fence get a good legitimate fair opinion.

I agree with this post. Both Sakura and Hinata have gotten in the way and caused more problems then solving them . Both were rash and impulsive. I believe Hinata's confession was selfish to an extent but I feel it was more reckless stupidity than selfishness though that was part of it. But if this occurs again, they would undoubtly be fully selfish. I'm not defending Hinata nor critizing her. It's just how it was.

Off topic note but the "Lois Lane Complex" reminds me of Kagome from Inuyasha (Don't get me wrong. Kagome was one of my favorite characters but she often displayed this trope.)

Edited by xxRomanceGirlxx, 14 April 2012 - 10:54 AM.

[tricksie]

That's why I think she could have gone into the confession "knowing" Naruto loves her, but not yet "fully appreciating just how much Naruto loves her, how deeply he is in love with her, and how much Sasuke's redemption figures into Naruto's hope of experiencing that love or his hope of a future in general." By saying that I never meant to suggest she was disregarding Naruto's love for her, only that at the time of the confession she still hadn't truly understood the scope or depth of his feelings or she wouldn't have tried to use them to change his mind.

Completely agree with you! And that perfectly articulates what I meant by the parallel scenes with Sakura looking up at Naruto and Kushina looking up at Minato. I think there was love before, but it was more objective. But after he saves her, the whole tone changes. I think, like Kushina, that's the moment when she realizes she's "in love" with him. Not just that she "loves" him. She not only told him her feelings, but embraced them as well. I wouldn't focus in on that moment if it wasn't such a bang-over-the-head parallel to Kushina, where she explicitly states that was the moment she fell in love. But since it was, it's just too much to ignore in the Naru/Saku storyline. Anyway, completely agree with you. I think neither of them had a good grasp on each other's feelings. And Sakura was still coming to terms with the depth of her own. Naruto, however is Captain One-Track-Mind: ramen, Sakura, Sasuke, Hokage. Hooray!

[Phantom_999]

Now hold on, there is one thing that might...change these view points.

Sakura's decision, while similar, is not entirely like Hinata. Hinata got in the way of a battle she couldn't fight because she thought Naruto needed help. Sakura went out on her own to defeat Sasuke so it didn't burden Naruto anymore. Both times the girls failed miserably and both times Naruto saved the day in the end.

Is this going to be a repeated thing?

If Hinata does something like that again, she not only could die, but the enemy could take advantage of such a situation. Naruto may not love her, but he still cares for her and like any damsel in distress could be used as a bartering chip leading to either Naruto being extremely hurt or even killed himself. These kind of actions can and has gotten people killed and in some stories, while noble intentions, have had characters being scolded for being reckless. Sometimes the best help is not helping at all so the good guy can reach full potential without problems or fear of hurting people by accident.

Is Hinata going to jump in the middle of the Tobi and Naruto's fight again? What if she causes more problems then it solves? Would this be considered selfish? I don't think Naruto wants a repeat of that situation because while Hinata got lucky this time, next time...she might not be.

ALSO...

Is Sakura going to go on those wild goose chases again and go off on her own? Again, Naruto cannot protect everyone if everyone tries to play the hero. If she repeats this over and over again, she could have the "Lois Lane complex." Constantly getting into mixes that might cause her great harm and then cry for Superman when things get out of hand. Being kidnapped is one thing, purposely walking into the enemies base is another.

This hasn't happened and hope it isn't repeated, but if it does I can't say that the others might be wrong in their assessment of calling them "selfish." While their intentions are noble, putting the hero through that and make him worry more about you than the deciding problem IS selfish. So before anyone claims victory know that even if you disagree with the people who say Hinata was selfish they do have a point in how reckless she was [b]just so she could protect the man she loves.[b/]

They both get one stupid-point pass, but if they try something like that again, you can't defend the "selfish" remark anymore. They made a choice and they have to own up to the consequences they put upon themselves. I say, if you're only going to cause more problems than solve them, it's better to stay out of it.

I want to strongly make this clear so that both sides of this fence get a good legitimate fair opinion.

Yeah, Like I stated before. There's no use arguing that Hinata does not love Naruto or sees him in a romantic light cause she does. What is our main point is that Naruto has not yet shown to return these feelings where as with Sakura the feeling is mutual, So lets all go from there and not waste time on petty Discussions about Hinata not loving Naruto and just admiring him or she does not understand his feelings. We'd be hypocrites if we denied these facts, However Hinata Lacks the intimacy Naruto has with Sakura; THAT'S whats going strong for us. If an infatuation lacks intimacy, can it blossom into true love? I would not think so, because Despite all those Hinata worship fillers Hinata did not spend that much time with Naruto she may understand his feelings to an extent, but she's always kept her distance from him and did not take the initiative to try get close to him, when she confessed, she only was letting her feelings be known, But that that's not enough to make Someone fall for you is it? Especially if they do not feel the same about you in that manner. I quote my self:"Hinata HAS to open her mouth and talk to Naruto herself" for NH to actually get anywhere. Because Naruto's kind of dense and inexperienced with romance. So we're clear here? Both of these young women love Naruto but he only Loves one in
return. So on that note Sakura can be the same; love both Naruto and Sasuke but will only get together with one.

I agree with everything, but this. I am sorry, but Hinata's faith in Naruto is NOT there. She acts more like a concerned over protective mother at times and even gets worried when Naruto gets a tiny papercut. Yeah, she cares, but her lack of faith is disturbing. (yeah Star Wars jokes yay, moving on.) Hinata took a GREAT risk in what she did. Let's be honest about this fact. If Minato didn't put in those safety measures, then 9-tails Naruto would have destroyed more than just the village.

So, did she help? It's not certain. If she didn't Naruto would never have gone 9-tails and got out of what trap he is in. On the other hand 9-tails Naruto could have destroyed not only Nagato, but every single person in a good radius. She could have caused more damage than anything (Which could be seen as being selfish.) Not only that, but who is to say that Naruto couldn't have gotten out himself? It is unknown if something would have happened without Hinata interfering.

Yeah, Sakura has done some stupid stuff too. That's what happens when you care about someone too much. You make stupid decisions. And hey, if you say Hinata did that because she cares about Naruto, then Sakura must definitely be in love with him too cause she has done her fair share as well all for the sake of Naruto. This works both ways, but what can be applied to one can be applied to the other.

Honestly, from my view, Hinata neither helped nor impeded on the situation. In the end, it was a matter of luck that Minato was smart enough to leave insurance. I'm sorry, but the whole "Hinata helped Naruto see his father" is a flat out lie in itself and I am not going to give credit to something nobody even knew about or had intention of doing. So who saved Naruto? Minato and Kushina and they kept on protecting him since day one.

Good point James. That's EXACTLY my thoughts Hinata did not plan for The seal to get released or for Minato to step in. He did that him self so her supposed help wasn't intentional it was suicidal. She wasn't planning on helping Naruto she wanted to fight to the death to defend him, which she knew was hopeless. That DEFINITELY did not help there, plain and simple.

Edited by Phantom_999, 14 April 2012 - 03:01 PM.

[Gravenimage]

I agree with everything, but this. I am sorry, but Hinata's faith in Naruto is NOT there. She acts more like a concerned over protective mother at times and even gets worried when Naruto gets a tiny papercut. Yeah, she cares, but her lack of faith is disturbing. (yeah Star Wars jokes yay, moving on.) Hinata took a GREAT risk in what she did. Let's be honest about this fact. If Minato didn't put in those safety measures, then 9-tails Naruto would have destroyed more than just the village.

So, did she help? It's not certain. If she didn't Naruto would never have gone 9-tails and got out of what trap he is in. On the other hand 9-tails Naruto could have destroyed not only Nagato, but every single person in a good radius. She could have caused more damage than anything (Which could be seen as being selfish.) Not only that, but who is to say that Naruto couldn't have gotten out himself? It is unknown if something would have happened without Hinata interfering.

Yeah, Sakura has done some stupid stuff too. That's what happens when you care about someone too much. You make stupid decisions. And hey, if you say Hinata did that because she cares about Naruto, then Sakura must definitely be in love with him too cause she has done her fair share as well all for the sake of Naruto. This works both ways, but what can be applied to one can be applied to the other.

Honestly, from my view, Hinata neither helped nor impeded on the situation. In the end, it was a matter of luck that Minato was smart enough to leave insurance. I'm sorry, but the whole "Hinata helped Naruto see his father" is a flat out lie in itself and I am not going to give credit to something nobody even knew about or had intention of doing. So who saved Naruto? Minato and Kushina and they kept on protecting him since day one.

Yes James exactly thanks for finally explaining it.

[lord287]

i kinda agree with him.

i mean come on people. if SAKURA did the same thing you would be just like the hinata fans.

and what hinata did was admirable, she wanted to help him, even if it meant dying.

its selfish....but that doesnt mean it was bad.

its not a matter how having faith in someone. i mean lets face it HE WAS PINNED DOWN!!

so you people are saying you WOULDNT go out and help someone if they were about to get killed JUST cause they said "stay out of the fight"

thats dumb. if thats true then lots of characters would have been dead a long time ago.

the only reason SAKURA DIDNT go out there isnt cause she had FAITH in him. its cause she couldnt SEE what was happening.

hinata had the byakugan and was closer. sakura was faaaaaar away. they village isnt small ya know.

sakura would have been there too if she knew, but the byakugan person telling her what was happening wasnt giving the details. (look up the chapter)

im tired of people thinking hinata had no faith and should have stayed outta it........its dumb.

sakura has already tired to run at kyuubi naruto. that wasnt the smartest thing and yamato told her not to. does that make her a horrible character?

NO it makes her a caring character that wanted to help naruto even if it hurt her. same with hinata.

I also agree with you on most points! Common guys u all who are saying that she acted selfish also know that she didn't but yes she was being a little silly! I don't think anyone of us would be thinking sakura selfish if she did so!!

[Anguyen92]

I also agree with you on most points! Common guys u all who are saying that she acted selfish also know that she didn't but yes she was being a little silly! I don't think anyone of us would be thinking sakura selfish if she did so!!

You know that's the funny thing, back before I discovered this forum, when I saw that confession episode, I felt like she was somewhat being selfish, and that was before I discovered that she going to attempt to kill Sasuke. Of course, giving the actions on how she was willing to risk her life to try to get Naruto to stop this obsession on getting Sasuke get, hindsight is a really weird thing here.

Now granted, I'm never going to giving ribs to just Hinata just for the sheer biasness. If either Naruto or Sakura did things, where they were not in the right frame of mind and that were not themselves, of course, I'm going to be all over it, but I just do it silently of sorts, unless its being talked about and I might give the ribs not as vocally as I would to Hinata, but that's because of my biasness to NaruSaku, its just how it works.

I can't quite explain this phenomenon, but it happens. It shouldn't, but it does.

Edited by Anguyen92, 14 April 2012 - 06:01 PM.

[redragon88]

Hey guys, just a curiosity I have in my mind about a certain character that is highly related to NaruSaku: Yamato

1) You all remember back on the H&E Bridge where Yamato made his unfinished sentence about Sakura's feelings for Naruto and as of now it still hasn't been explained properly by him.

2) You all remember how he got mad when Sakura confessed to Naruto despite it appearing contradictory to how he treated Sakura's feelings before and as of now it still hasn't been explained by him why he reacted like that.

My guess is that eventually Naruto's group is gonna have to rescue Yamato from his imprisonment and maybe latter on he can explain those two points. Just food for thought.

[Dragunov]

Yamato might be involved, but he isn't necessary for the most part. And Ciardha, you have yet to give me the link that I asked for (if you have, of course. Please XP)

[Phantom_999]

I also agree with you on most points! Common guys u all who are saying that she acted selfish also know that she didn't but yes she was being a little silly! I don't think anyone of us would be thinking sakura selfish if she did so!!

Oh yeah Like Sakura's confession? Yeah I thought it was a flawed and selfish move too but with Noble intentions. Just like Hinata. I already said as much as I love a character I judge without bias. If Sakura did the same thing I'd would think it was stupid and selfish too, because She would be no match for Pein and would only get hurt like Hinata which would only devastate Naruto more. Same thing.

Edited by Phantom_999, 15 April 2012 - 02:46 AM.

[Toasty Warrior]

This add any good fuel to the fire?

Edited by Toasty Warrior, 15 April 2012 - 08:04 AM.

[Gravenimage]

This add any good fuel to the fire?

Not to be mean or harsh but who cares what Hinata thinks? Naruto is the protagonist what he wants goes and he wants Sakura to be happy, which equals that he's going to end up with her. Hinata won't be heart broken she knows it's her loss for never making a move on him. Besides she's just a minor character praise over rated by her fandom and Pierot, Kishi is just using her as pairing fodder.

Edited by Gravenimage, 15 April 2012 - 10:07 AM.

[James S Cassidy]

Yes James exactly thanks for finally explaining it.

You're welcome.

I also agree with you on most points! Common guys u all who are saying that she acted selfish also know that she didn't but yes she was being a little silly! I don't think anyone of us would be thinking sakura selfish if she did so!!

I think most of us don't think that at all. We would see Sakura being just as selfish if she did the same thing, but the same could be said on the inverse. Sakura's confession and what she did could be seen as the same level as Hinata jumping in the middle of the Pein battle, which both of them almost getting killed. You say Hinata did what she did because she loves Naruto. Fair enough, but that can also be applied to Sakura's case as well. She did it for the same reasons. They both did somethin that took a big risk and they both almost paid the price for it.

If they did that again in any way, then they would most definitely be selfish. Instead of putting trust in Naruto to do what needs to be done, they wanted to take the matters in their own hands. It put a lot of strain on Naruto on both accounts pushing him to his limits both emotionally and physically. For people who care about him, they did a lot to hurt him so. Hinata AND Sakura both.

The first time can be forgivable, but if they repeatedly did this they would cause a lot of damage to Naruto himself. That's the selfish part. He doesn't want them to take these kind of risks because he doesn't want to lose them. If something did happen, he would blame himself over and over thinking he should have been better. That's how Naruto thinks about himself. (To which Itachi is trying to tell him to have faith in them too.)

It's a weird logic, but it is there. Now that they know that they both have to trust that Naruto knows what he is doing (Sakura confirmed that she did by saying she trusts him to take care of Sasuke), they won't do that kind of action ever again. If they did, it is selfish.

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If she didn't, she wouldn't be seen in a good light. Many people say that Naruto is going to be devastated if he can't save Sasuke. I tend to disagree and say that Naruto has grown up and accepted some things.

I expect the same for Hinata. If she repects Naruto, then she should be prepared if Naruto doesn't want her like that and be happy for him if he goes with someone else.

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I think most of us don't think that at all. We would see Sakura being just as selfish if she did the same thing, but the same could be said on the inverse. Sakura's confession and what she did could be seen as the same level as Hinata jumping in the middle of the Pein battle, which both of them almost getting killed. You say Hinata did what she did because she loves Naruto. Fair enough, but that can also be applied to Sakura's case as well. She did it for the same reasons. They both did somethin that took a big risk and they both almost paid the price for it.

If they did that again in any way, then they would most definitely be selfish. Instead of putting trust in Naruto to do what needs to be done, they wanted to take the matters in their own hands. It put a lot of strain on Naruto on both accounts pushing him to his limits both emotionally and physically. For people who care about him, they did a lot to hurt him so. Hinata AND Sakura both.

The first time can be forgivable, but if they repeatedly did this they would cause a lot of damage to Naruto himself. That's the selfish part. He doesn't want them to take these kind of risks because he doesn't want to lose them. If something did happen, he would blame himself over and over thinking he should have been better. That's how Naruto thinks about himself. (To which Itachi is trying to tell him to have faith in them too.)

It's a weird logic, but it is there. Now that they know that they both have to trust that Naruto knows what he is doing (Sakura confirmed that she did by saying she trusts him to take care of Sasuke), they won't do that kind of action ever again. If they did, it is selfish.

Actually i don't think Hinata's jumping intothe fight with pein can be compared much to sakura's confession because

1)hinata jumped in the battle because she definitely loves naruto
2)sakura did the confession because she got sad that POAL became like a curse mark for naruto as told by sai
3)sakura was ready to kill sasuke not only for naruto but because she can't see sasuke become more evil

Therefore it can't be said that sakura's confession and try to attack sasuke was also because she loves naruto!

We NS supporters are trying to prove that the confession wasn't fake and sakura don't love sasuke anymore but as seen in chapter 540 and her very wel failed attempt to kill sasuke kind of makes me believe that she still loves sasuke! Although I don't deny their were many moments between both of them where i actually believed sakura has developed romantic love towards naruto(the bridge with 4 tailed form, sakura about to feed naruto etc.) but she still has her love for sasuke which i believe was clear from chapter 540!

Although I think kishi will be going towards NS in the end and not end the story with open pairings I also think he will have to put really some strong scenes now to at least make me believe that sakura loves naruto over sasuke and will chose him even if sasuke comes back to the village and also acknowledges sakura's love for him!!

[James S Cassidy]

Actually i don't think Hinata's jumping intothe fight with pein can be compared much to sakura's confession because

It's the same causality. While not the same in terms of actions wise, the same because it was for Naruto.

1)hinata jumped in the battle because she definitely loves naruto

And Sakura isn't? This is the biggest argument NH fans try to put on us saying that Sakura doesn't love Naruto when clearly she does. They say you can tell Hinata loves Naruto because she is willing to do anything for him, but if Sakura does the same thing it's not considered love? That's the contradiction the argument always has.

What if I said Hinata loves Naruto in a motherly type way? Hey, it has happened in other manga and Japanese media. In FFVIII, Quistis thought she was in love with Squall, but she realized that the love she felt was not being IN love, but more of a sisterly/motherly love.

2)sakura did the confession because she got sad that POAL became like a curse mark for naruto as told by sai

Then why didn't she go after Sasuke earlier? This is the biggest problem with this argument is that she could have left just like Sasuke did and go after him, but no she stayed with Naruto. Why? We at the NS FC believe is because she loves Naruto just as much even if she is slow to pick up on it. Noticed she didn't really do anything until AFTER she was told how much it was affecting Naruto. If she was just focused on Sasuke, why didn't she go after him before when she had the chance? Why did she stick by Naruto instead of going out on her own?

We also have the scene where Naruto transformed and she ran to him screaming that she wanted to take care of Sasuke FOR HIM. Because she didn't want him to make the sacrifice because of her. Why did Hinata jumped in the fray of Pein? For Naruto. This double standard that if Hinata does it, it is love, but if Sakura does it it is for her own selfish desires is what pisses me off more than anything. Why is it that when Sakura does something FOR Naruto it is selfish, but if Hinata does something FOR Naruto it is true love and nobility?

You may not say it, but you're implying it.

How about this: I am going to show how Hinata's confession and how Sakura's confession are similar on a metaphorical sense.

Imagine Pein as the POAL. Naruto says he can handle it and he doesn't want anyone involved. It is his job. The spikes that Pein put in him are the failures to keep those promises whether it be to Sakura, or himself, or Sasuke. He begins thinking he can't find the answers or doesn't have them. Hinata jumped in cause she saw Naruto being overwhelmed by Pein and tried to take the matters into her own hands to relieve him of the burden. Replace Hinata with Sakura who is seeing Naruto being pulled down by the "pain" of not fulfilling his promises and failing at it. So she tries to take the matters in her own hands to relive Naruto of his burden. Both caused great emotional trauma on Naruto which caused him to lose himself for a moment. In Pein arc, he turned into 9-tails, Sakura's confession, he just fainted from stress. I could go into more detail on how Minato and Sai share the voice of reason inside Naruto, but it's kind of obvious. After he woke up, he has a resolve and he knew what he needed to do.

Here is another thought. (It may be my NS bias in play here, but bare with me)

Sai's judgement is based around what he sees. He could be completely wrong about everything, but he can only tell what he is interpreting. The view of it as a "curse mark." In Sai's case, a curse mark prevents you from doing something. What if Sai said it was a curse mark to point out the double standard that both Sakura AND Naruto are so bent up on this POAL, that it was preventing them from loving each other or getting closer. Naruto doesn't want to tell how he feels about Sakura because he doesn't want to ruin the POAL. He doesn't want to seem selfish. This makes sense from the previous scene with Sai asking why Naruto doesn't tell her. Naruto said that he couldn't because he couldn't even keep the promise he made.

Sakura wanted to break apart the POAL not JUST because she wanted to relieve Naruto of his burdens, but also because she wanted to get closer to him. Which is why she confessed as well. She knew however that Naruto wasn't going to just stop what he was doing. She knew he wasn't going to just up and do what she wanted. So wanted to show him that she could break it herself and that it was okay. However, she realized she couldn't bring herself to do it because it goes against everything she knew. She was afraid to change into something she wasn't.

If it was you who had the chance to kill a former friend, would you do it? You probably would hesitate thinking that you are going against everything you felt. Not on a love basis, but on the basis that you don't abandon your friends or give up on them. She would not only be betraying herself, but Naruto as well. I am probably reaching way out in left field on this last bit, but it is an interesting way of looking at it.

3)sakura was ready to kill sasuke not only for naruto but because she can't see sasuke become more evil

How can you become MORE evil? I see people use this term a lot, but I don't think Sasuke can be "more" evil than he is now. Evil people do things either because they want power or they want revenge. Anti-heroes do it for self-profit. While this sounds similar it's not the same because Sasuke doesn't do it cause it is "profitable" and Anti-heroes only does it if it is profitable to them regardless if it is a good or bad deed.

And let's not even go into a "Renegade" or "Paragon."

And again, if it was FOR Sasuke then why didn't she do it earlier? She could easily left the village too to search for him, but she didn't. Yeah she would be a missing-nin, but who says that all missing-nin are evil? She could have just said this is something she had to do and that was it. It's not like killing a Kage or capturing the tailed beast for world domination.

And since Sasuke did all this bad stuff even before Sakura ventured out on her own, I am going to assume that he can't get anymore evil. She didn't try to reason with him, she went straight into trying to kill him.

Therefore it can't be said that sakura's confession and try to attack sasuke was also because she loves naruto!

It can't be denied either. She didn't want to burden Naruto anymore than she had. She never knew how much of a burden it was on Naruto until Sai pointed it out to her. And since Naruto is not forthcoming with his emotions to her, she had no idea.

I could easily put up an argument of why Hinata is selfish using the simple logic that Hinata did what she did because of what she wanted. Not because Naruto needed help. Hinata can't have Naruto if he is dead. Not because she did it for him, but for herself. However, I am not going to say that because that is a negative way on how to look at things. I rather look at a more positive outlook and give people the benefit of the doubt.

Sakura didn't do what she did because she loves Sasuke. She did it all because she loves Naruto. That's why she confessed. Not because it was burdening her or Sasuke, but because it was burdening Naruto. Her mind was on Naruto and his well being. She cares deeply for him and she did things because she wanted Naruto to be okay. She cried when the Akatsuki was after him. She was concerned when he transformed. Whenever the thought of losing Naruto crossed her mind, she did anything that came to her mind to try and prevent it from happening. Even if it meant sacrificing herself or putting herself in harm's way and she did it without thinking about it. She never thought twice about helping Naruto. Does this sound selfish to you? Does this sound like she was doing this all for Sasuke's sake?

She doesn't want to keep making mistakes. She doesn't want to sit on the side-lines and watch her lose everything that is important to her. Just like Hinata in the Pein arc. She didn't want to lose Naruto, no matter the cost. It is the same reaction and the same reasoning that came into their minds.

If she doesn't love Naruto, then why did she confess? To say she did to play with Naruto's emotions to get him to break off the promise is a down right lie and I stand against this way of thinking. People say it is a lie because they want to show Sakura being this evil, selfish, corrupted b*tch, but she is not. She just wants to do the right thing for Naruto. She wants Naruto to be safe and she doesn't want to lose him to anyone. Not even to Hinata from the way she is acting. Plus as someone mentioned, sorry if I forgot who you are, why would she confess if she knew Hinata loves Naruto? She knows that Naruto loves her too.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 15 April 2012 - 12:13 PM.