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[Jenskott]

After debating with a Anti Sakura fan, I was stunned in her statement
"Does Sakura have a right to kill Sasuke"?

Sasuke is a nuke nin, a traitor and an international criminal has joined a terrorist organization.

Any person in Sakura's world would tell not only she has the right but also she has the DUTY.

And it isn't only a matter of the Narutoverse. In real ninja clans, traitors and deserters were to be slain wherever and whenever they were found.

Moreover, some people would argue it is better the deed is done by a friend instead of a foe. She will intend his death being quick and painless.

[Devil Keyz]

^^ agreed, where if it was someone from konoha who didn't like traitors.. the death would be slow and very painful. ( I rather see Saskue suffer lol )

[socermania2]

Huh? I'm not a sasunaru shipper, I don't get your drift here.

I never said you were. You made a post a couple pages back about how SasuNaru doesnt contradict the manga. It doesnt,but there are still major problms

@Pink
Sakura has EVERY RIGHT to kill Sasuke. Sasuke is a nuke-nin. The punishment is death.

I guess that person should be angry with the Konoha 11 also, since they came to the same desicion =/

Edited by socermania2, 18 January 2010 - 06:13 PM.

[Gravenimage]

I never said you were. You made a post a couple pages back about how SasuNaru doesnt contradict the manga. It doesnt,but there are still major problms

Yeah I agree Naru/Sasu and N/S has more possibilities of happening in the manga than S/S and N/H but N/S has more possibility and development so it's no contest which pairing will be canon.

[pinkheartsyellowstars]

Guys, go this another part in my recent debate
(the bold parts are mine)

Agree, yet the konoha villagers is not important to Naruto? I bet if Sasuke will threthen konoha, Naruto will get hyped all over that

Haha... Yeap. All these are important to Naruto. But Sasuke is the single most important person in Naruto's life.

in the manga:

Itachi: Even if it means killing him? Could you weight Sasuke's life against Konoha's?
Naruto: I will protect Konoha! And find a way to stop Sasuke without killing him!
then Naruto have memories of Jiraiya talking with him...
Jiraiya: Give up on Sasuke... Just Forget about him... Its not just about techniques and strength... A ninja must cultivate the ability to make the right decision and choices... If you are going to be a ninja, you have to be smarter, if you stay stupid, it'll will only make your life harder
Naruto: If that is what being smart is... I'd rather stay stupid forever! I'll come up with better techniques of my own and Save Sasuke No Matter What!
Naruto(to Itachi): I won't bend my words! Thats what being a ninja means to me!

So.. Sasuke = Konoha in Naruto's point. He would do anything to save Sasuke. Also, to point out, this effective shows the fundamental difference between Naruto and Sakura.

Naruto pronounced his drive to save Sasuke. No matter what. However, Sakura chose the other way. To kill Sasuke. You can imagine how much of a shock this is to Naruto.

Anyway, back on topic, Sasuke is definetely the most important person in Naruto's life. He could someone else getting hurt but not Sasuke... He was even willing to risk all of Konoha... That shows something.

So far, we have not seen emotional aggression from Naruto towards Sasuke.

Using word like hate. Naruto never once hated Sasuke despite what he did. Naruto never once showed dislike for Sasuke for leaving him for Orochimaru. Just extreme sadness.

However, in contrast with the words used on Sakura on the confession scene, He said:
I Hate people who lie to themselves. I cannot recall any other instance Naruto used the word hate...

So...

Again, Naruto is in denial. let us say he is stubborn. Look at his flashbacks, mainly he is clinging for the old team 7. where he sees Sakura can't move on about Sasuke, just like him.


He is not in denial. He knew that Team7 is gone and broken. He is going to mend the broken bond. It is different from acting like Team7 never once been broken. He is not in denial. He is just positive. It is the same positiveness who converted Nagato and Gaara.

Edited by pinkheartsyellowstars, 18 January 2010 - 02:53 PM.

[Gravenimage]

Guys, go this another part in my recent debate
(the bold parts are mine)

Hmm....well at least this person was using his/her head compare to the last person who was only letting his/her hatred for Sakura cloud his/her judgement. Naruto is now experiencing an emotional breakdown after listening from Sai that the rookies have come to the decision to kill Sasuke. The image of team seven breaking in his mind at 474 was enough proof that he's truly suffering worst than before when he didn't know why Sasuke was still clinging on revenge after fulfilling his revenge in killing Itachi along with collapsing from hyperventilation. Knowing how stubborn he is and his will to never give up Naruto will find a way to save Sasuke without relying on death as a punishment for his betrayal since he understands now why he has chosen the path of revenge.

A way to bring him back to Konoha and make everyone in the village understand his pain so that perhaps he can earn their forgiveness for him. He now knows that team seven's strong bond has been broken but now he wants to find a way to restore that bond and make it stronger than before. Everything will be up to him from now on however I am expecting after this painful experience that Naruto becomes more mature and realizes how serious this situation has become. Either he brings back Sasuke to Konoha by force since words won't reach his ears (remembering the fight at the Valley of the End) or the second choice which he doesn't want to chose this one bring him back to Konoha dead.

As for Sakura I am highly annoy that people think she's betraying Naruto when in truth she's not. She's doing the right thing and people think she's doing the wrong thing then again the Sakura haters will never give her a compliment. Sakura has chosen to kill Sasuke for various reasons and those same reasons justifies her cause to help Naruto.

1. She's mainly doing this to protect Naruto especially from any kind of pain his safety is her top priority over Sasuke's any day.
2. She now realizes that the Sasuke she once knew is long gone and he has become a threat to Konoha and the rest of the ninja villages, she's acting like any other ninja from Konoha and is doing her rightful duty to take action against a traitor especially a traitor from their own village.
3. 453- she realized the horrible truth that Sasuke is in league with Akatsuki that was the reason she cried. She now fears the worst that Sasuke might come after Naruto like the organization since she knows the truth of a jinchurikki when their Bijuus are extracted from Chiyo. Her worst fear is losing Naruto because she knows his fate if Akatsuki captures him. Naruto captured by Akatsuki+ Kyuubi extraction= Naruto's death.
4. If she still holds any lingering feelings for Sasuke she wants to erased them forever by facing him face to face (can't say the same about her teammate bond with him this is perhaps the strongest feeling in the world, at least in the Naruto universe Kishi has already shown us with the example of the sanins) so that maybe depending on her choice she can finally embrace the new strong feelings she has for Naruto (considering her confession I think she has already made her choice )

Edited by Gravenimage, 18 January 2010 - 06:49 PM.

[RedDelicious]

I seriously don't get the "Sakura doesn't have faith in Naruto" thing- she certainly had faith in him when he was fighting Pain and Tobi.

Agreed. Recent actions are due to Sai letting her know that she and others in the village were relying on Naruto too much, that it is causing him (unintentional) pain. She is trying to relieve a burden from Naruto, which is a far cry from thinking that he couldn't handle the burden.

Guys, go this another part in my recent debate
(the bold parts are mine)

Again, Naruto is in denial. let us say he is stubborn. Look at his flashbacks, mainly he is clinging for the old team 7. where he sees Sakura can't move on about Sasuke, just like him.

He is not in denial. He knew that Team7 is gone and broken. He is going to mend the broken bond. It is different from acting like Team7 never once been broken. He is not in denial. He is just positive. It is the same positiveness who converted Nagato and Gaara.

Apparently, Naruto is not the only one in denial.

Technically, Naruto will no longer be in denial, after he wakes up. But if this person is arguing that the denial wasn't there before passing out, they are nuts. His mental image of Team 7 is shattered, and his subconscious caused him to pass out when he realized his worldview was long out-dated equals textbook denial.

[ciardha]

I never said you were. You made a post a couple pages back about how SasuNaru doesnt contradict the manga. It doesnt,but there are still major problms

The points you made about how off sasunaru would be fits sasusaku as well, plus the fact Sasuke never had the least romantic feelings for Sakura, and Sakura has moved on from her one sided feelings Sasuke and has been in love with Naruto for quite some time now. Her feelings now about Sasuke is like a pet owner who's dog has become rabid. Shoot the dog quickly and mercifully before he goes completely mad and infects others with his disease.

There's also sasukarin which pretty clearly is the only pairing that will happen for Sasuke- if he lives. Unlike with any other girl- Sasuke has shown interest in and feelings for Karin from the first moment we saw them alone. Karin is darker and more like Sasuke, plus she was attracted to him as he is, not as a romantic illusion of someone Sasuke would never be. catsi is right, if any girl brings sasuke back from his headlong jump into darkness it's going to be Karin. She understands the allure of dark power, she's been swayed that direction herself. But she has a stopping point, Sasuke doesn't.

The reason sasunaru doesn't completely contradict the development in the manga is because Sasuke has strong feelings of both love and hate for Naruto. And Naruto has an intense brotherly bond to Sasuke. His bond with Sasuke rivals his love for Sakura, and at the moment even overshadows it.

[Gravenimage]

^ good post

hears somthing diffrint what do yous think the % of NS SS NH happening

id say 90% for NS

idsay 8% for SS slight benifit ok pairing to me

id say 0%chance for NH kish got pissed off at them for bashing sakura

2% chance of no pairings

what yous think

I agree with you except for the part of Kishi getting angry with N/H fans for hating Sakura. He's more like annoy and irritated that they are bashing her so much. He clearly stated that he's not good with making heroines or even drawing pretty girls. He didn't intended to make Sakura the heroine but he eventually made her the official heroine of his manga. I understand that Kishi has been trying hard developing Sakura's character making her a better character and not making her into the most horrible person in the whole manga. Instead of receiving fan mail about Sakura's character or her development with Naruto he's getting mail saying "Sakura is a b****" or" Sakura is awful and Hinata is wonderful". Kishi is probably wondering where did he go wrong in developing Sakura's character because so many people hate her they actually hate his heroine like she was the biggest villain in the manga. And instead they all love and worship Hinata who's just a side character, a secondary character who is NOT important to the main story at all he doesn't understand that.

I'm beginning to think that maybe Kishi regrets making Hinata having a crush on Naruto to prevent her from being worship and over rated like she was the main character of the story. I guess I will be pretty annoy if the fans of my manga hate my heroine and they love the girl who rarely appears or rarely gets any face time in my manga.

Edited by Gravenimage, 18 January 2010 - 07:43 PM.

[ciardha]

^ good post

hears somthing diffrint what do yous think the % of NS SS NH happening

id say 90% for NS

idsay 8% for SS slight benifit ok pairing to me

id say 0%chance for NH kish got pissed off at them for bashing sakura

2% chance of no pairings

what yous think

nah 0% sasusaku, one sided to start with Sasuke had zero romantic interest in her and found her romantic overtures with him aggravating- at times even violently rejecting them. Sakura knew even when she confessed to Sasuke he never did and never would have any romantic interest in her, and Sakura's moved on from Sasuke and has been in love with Naruto for some time.

narusaku 100%

the only pairing possible for sasuke, if he lives, is sasukarin. It's the only romantic relationship that has had any mutual development at all involving Sasuke.

[Gravenimage]

nah 0% sasusaku, one sided to start with Sasuke had zero romantic interest in her and found her romantic overtures with him aggravating- at times even violently rejecting them. Sakura knew even when she confessed to Sasuke he never did and never would have any romantic interest in her, and Sakura's moved on from Sasuke and has been in love with Naruto for some time.

narusaku 100%

the only pairing possible for sasuke, if he lives, is sasukarin. It's the only romantic relationship that has had any mutual development at all involving Sasuke.

Don't forget N/H that has 0% since part 1 and even more now since Kishi is annoy with the loud voices of N/H.

[Miss Soupy]

I wouldn't say any of the big three pairings have no chance. They are all at a point where if Kishi chose to do something with them, he certainly could. However, NS certainly has the highest probability of happening.

Anyways, natsumi33 finished their amazing sequel doujin ;_; It was so adorable. Everyone should read the two doujins. Here.

The ending sort of reminded me of a theme in bleach. It is about trying to connect the earth and the sky(heaven), and that only rain can connect the two. I feel this is sort of what is happening in Naruto. The rain could symbolize a few things, though their common goal to save Sasuke seems fitting (he can be rather gloomy at least). But Naruto and Sakura also connect through hardships. Sometimes you have to go through something horrible to realize what is most important.

[ciardha]

I wouldn't say any of the big three pairings have no chance. They are all at a point where if Kishi chose to do something with them, he certainly could.

I just don't think it's possible for any other pairing for Naruto and Sakura but narusaku- plot development wise that's all that's happened basically from chapter 3 onward, and from 248 onward the path has been certain for them. Sasuke as well, never had any romantic feelings for Sakura but has shown some feelings and attraction to Karin, despite his near singleminded headlong pitch into the darkness. 450 was the closure for naruhina- Hinata watched and accepted with a smile on her face Sakura's romantic embrace of Naruto.

In comparison, Peach Pit in Shuugo Chara made the question of who Amu would end up with a lot more up in the air (Amu had feelings of love for both boys and they both had feelings for her too, and neither were jerks to her) but I guessed it would end up Amu and Ikuto (their bond just felt deeper to me as a reader) but I wasn't 100% sure like I am with narusaku. But to my surprise- since they were playing it so close to the vest, I had guessed right, and I was stunned Peach-Pit had Amu's spoken reason for not chosing Tadase basically exactly what I thought it would be if she didn't chose Tadase- realizing she fell for his surface self, not the person he was growing into inside. Ikuto was pretty much the same person inside and out so there was no confusion there. Amu worries aloud that she might have done the same with Ikuto, but is assured she fell in love with the real person. Peach Pit doesn't actually show them getting together but leaves you knowing they will eventually.(and yes many readers were quite disappointed Ikuto and Amu's future reunion wasn't shown. Peach Pit is known for doing things like this with their manga though, Shuugo Chara actually had about the most clear ending they've done. Probably because of reader complaints on the earlier series!

[Miss Soupy]

I just don't think it's possible for any other pairing for Naruto and Sakura but narusaku- plot development wise that's all that's happened basically from chapter 3 onward, and from 248 onward the path has been certain for them. Sasuke as well, never had any romantic feelings for Sakura but has shown some feelings and attraction to Karin, despite his near singleminded headlong pitch into the darkness. 450 was the closure for naruhina- Hinata watched and accepted with a smile on her face Sakura's romantic embrace of Naruto.

The other pairings aren't really closed though. Hinata isn't with anyone else, Sasuke isn't with anyone else. If they were, then yeah, it'd be a 0% chance of happening. But because they are not, Kishimoto could potentially pair them off with Naruto and Sakura. While it is unlikely, because those characters are essentially single, it not impossible, just improbable.

[ciardha]

The other pairings aren't really closed though. Hinata isn't with anyone else, Sasuke isn't with anyone else. If they were, then yeah, it'd be a 0% chance of happening. But because they are not, Kishimoto could potentially pair them off with Naruto and Sakura. While it is unlikely, because those characters are essentially single, it not impossible, just improbable.

All I know is I'm not worried, I'm certain about narusaku. Really, to me the only way narusaku wouldn't happen is if Naruto or Sakura get killed. I don't think that's likely. There's a slight chance Sakura might get killed, but I don't think it will happen- the whole surpassing the previous generation meme tends to point strongly to narusaku, Naruto as Hokage and Sakura exceeding Tsunade in skill, power and renown. Naruto and Sakura exceeding Minato and Kushina too, meaning they both live to raise their children.

[Strangelove]

All I know is I'm not worried, I'm certain about narusaku. Really, to me the only way narusaku wouldn't happen is if Naruto or Sakura get killed. I don't think that's likely. There's a slight chance Sakura might get killed, but I don't think it will happen- the whole surpassing the previous generation meme tends to point strongly to narusaku, Naruto as Hokage and Sakura exceeding Tsunade in skill, power and renown. Naruto and Sakura exceeding Minato and Kushina too, meaning they both live to raise their children.

Lol, yeah.

Naruto as Minato in the sense of their strength and dreams of a better future, as well as self sacrifice.
Sakura as Kushina...well all i know bout her is that she was a tomboy...and that kinda points towards Sakura's character to Naruto.

[Jenskott]

I just don't think it's possible for any other pairing for Naruto and Sakura but narusaku- plot development wise that's all that's happened basically from chapter 3 onward, and from 248 onward the path has been certain for them. Sasuke as well, never had any romantic feelings for Sakura but has shown some feelings and attraction to Karin, despite his near singleminded headlong pitch into the darkness. 450 was the closure for naruhina- Hinata watched and accepted with a smile on her face Sakura's romantic embrace of Naruto.

My thoughts, exactly. NaruSaku seemed obvious to me since Sakura's first appearance, and their relationship evolved exactly like I thought it would do.

Moreover, Sakura and Sasuke's relationship not only evolved like I also thought it would do, but it got even worse than I had guessed.

And Hinata... I never thought NaruHina was a serious possibility. I figured she would become Naruto's friend and that would be it, but Hinata became even less important to Naruto and to the plot thatn I had guessed (then again, I never gave Hinata one thought, and the plot gave me no reasons to reconsider my attitude. When I found out she was incredibly -or I should say "amazingly"- popular, I was shocked).

Ths, I can not take NH/SS seriously. And coming across crazy fan predictions or fanarts where Hinata somehow morphs into a tsundere or Sasuke suddenly becomes a romantic, warm, kind person didn't help.

[tekopi]

Hey y'all

Have Something confusing in my mind

I just recently watch the new episode of Naruto anime

in one scene, while Sasuke is trying to save his teammates from being crushed

he took a moment to glance around

and

a glimpse of Team7 image appear in his mind

Why's that?

Is Sasuke truly, truly change?

Or is he trying to play games, like what Itachi had done on him