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[Michi]

This has to all be a dream. There's no way that he would willingly mess up this bad, I mean this bad. If this part ends with Naruto waking up from a blood-loss coma or finding out that he's still under a genjutsu, Kishi may redeem himself in my eyes just a little bit, but for now in the foreseeable future he is on my blacklist.

I know. Kishi... Yeaaaah, you kittened up BIG time. LOL.

he just...it was just totally wack that it's hard to believe that this is the real ending.

[applesauceful]

The only thing I'm hoping right now is that this is a troll chapter so the spoilers don't leak to the Japanese readers before release. While that's 99% impossible, I wouldn't of thought that it'd be possible to have an ending this bad. 

[luffyq1]

Aaaaaaaand this is why I shouldn't be on this forum for a while. We don't know who gave up on who. We don't know what happened in between the healing and Sasuke's departure. She didn't even forgive Sasuke when she was healing him. I hate the bashing, it makes me sick to read.

ignore her.

Edited by luffyq1, 07 November 2014 - 05:32 AM.

[ShippudenGirl]

Maybe it's sort of an open ending after all. Boruto looks like Naruto and Sakura, his daughter looks like Naruto and Hinata [mostly Hinata] and Sarada looks like Sasuke and Karin. Like, Kishi can't even make up his mind.

/fanfic time
Lol.

OK... Sasuke goes away after poking Sakura on her big ole forehead. On his journey he meets Karin and (insert lemon) tah-da.
Naruto and Sakura goin' all love muffin on each other blah blah get married... Have a son.. It doesn't work out. Etc, Karin gon' bring duh new babe to the village or something... Everyone breaks up, gets with other people.. (Naruto x Hinata/ Sasuke x Sakura) Naruto and Hinata go ham and have their girl.. And Sakura accepts Salad as her own. /end

muarararaharhar

[Mokiepuppymaster]

 

True, but the more I look at this, not just the pairings, but the details (the devil's in the details) this seems like an entirely different manga, nonsensical even. I mean, what would be the best result of all this? What would we all really want?

 

I want closure, or for Kishimoto to change his mind during the movies, or to have NaruSaku go canon, but then they break up for some reason, but always have that what if. Like the, "I want you, but I can't tell you I want you, because of blah blah blah". So tragic, but at least so that their feelings for each other are plainly stated. 
 

I'm up for it, since NaruHina/SasuSaku have been throwing one for over ten god-damn years.

 

At least we can keep our dignity if we don't stoop to their level. 
 

 

Nope. Wouldn't want that. It'll look like we forced him to make NS canon. But yeah, there are a lot of loose ends too.

i do want the loose ends tied...but who knows. I fear Kishi will just make more loose ends trying to tie up these loose ends. 

[Raito]

Aaaaaaaand this is why I shouldn't be on this forum for a while. We don't know who gave up on who. We don't know what happened in between the healing and Sasuke's departure. She didn't even forgive Sasuke when she was healing him. I hate the bashing, it makes me sick to read.

She forgives Sasuke alright. She even offered to come along with him while blushing. 

 

The more l speak of this character (Sakura) my dislike grows. I'll keep that to my self though.

[Michi]

why would any sane ns want naruto to have an affair with that b*tch?hes too good for her

wow.
Comments like these are really unnecessary.

[natalieuciha]

Aaaaaaaand this is why I shouldn't be on this forum for a while. We don't know who gave up on who. We don't know what happened in between the healing and Sasuke's departure. She didn't even forgive Sasuke when she was healing him. I hate the bashing, it makes me sick to read.

lol then you need to read part 2 again honey...its obviously sakura who missed the oportunity of ns ,naruto tried everything in his power to be there for her and give her what she needs yet that wsnt enough...she still reverted to the 11 year old idiotc self and went to the guy who (ignoiring the killing attempts ) basicaly threated her like garbage the whole war arc...its obvious naruto gave up on her in 693 but how can anyone at this point blame him with a straight face?

[rocci]

Looking forward to Kishi's interview. He'll probably mirror his assistant's comments about how there was no "heroine/love interest" and Naruto hasn't pursued Sakura since the Pain arc. If everyone asks about parallels, he'll probably dodge the question by saying "they succeed in a different way".
 
I just don't see him being honest about this being a sell out ending. That would take guts to admit.

Yup this is gonna be his answer.

[Mokiepuppymaster]

lol then you need to read part 2 again honey...its obviously sakura who missed the oportunity of ns ,naruto tried everything in his power to be there for her and give her what she needs yet that wsnt enough...she still reverted to the 11 year old idiotc self and went to the guy who (ignoiring the killing attempts ) basicaly threated her like garbage the whole war arc...its obvious naruto gave up on her in 693 but how can anyone at this point blame him with a straight face?

But in 693, Sakura used past-tenses right? 

[narusaku256]

Come to think of it...Kishi did say he wanted to end Naruto after the Pein arc...which ended with NS hug and ironically that's exactly the part after which the manga quality started deteriorating..

[tatsujin76]

 

Has anybody posted this yet? This person makes an excelent pairing neutral critic about the ending as an whole and point out all the flaws:

 

http://shinosays.tum...ough-ive-gotten

 

This guy speaks the truth. Every Naruto fan should read it, whether he/she liked the ending or not.

 

This cracked me up:

http://sasukeuchiha....st/101929936991

 

LMAO

 

I can't hate the series, either. I loved chapters 1-698, but like everyone else here, I hate the ending. I don't despise any other part of this manga than the ending.

 

The problem I have with things like this is that, yes, the journey is important, but once you get the ending, the whole outlook of the story changes. Then, the beauty of the journey relies on the end of itself, since it is known. Let me explain: I've been following Naruto for over 7 years now, and I lived through the journey that was this story. The journey was amazing, even though Kishi's writing started to decline at certain point. However, we got to the end of that journey today, and, well, I guess I don't have to repeat how the fandom, even outside of NS fans, feels. When you revisit the journey, you'll have the ending in mind, and if it's good and worthy, then you should feel like going through that journey many more times. However, if the end of the journey sucks, you won't want to go through it again. I'm going to use two examples to contrast these two points: FMA (manga and Brotherhood anime) and Mass Effect, the video game trilogy.

 

FMA (manga and Brotherhood): Anyone who has read and/or watched these will understand what I mean when I say, this series is one of the best in the last decade or so. The journey is amazing, and the end is satisfactory and a worthy ending for the journey made by the characters. This is one of those series that makes me want to rewatch it. I'll definitely do it again someday.

 

Mass Effect trilogy: The journey of this story is amazing. It's basically how a normal sentient being from the newest race in the galaxy to become spacefaring becomes the savior of the galaxy in a matter of three years. Of course, he doesn't do it alone. The cast of characters is as varied in personality as it is in backgrounds, skill sets, development, and races (humans and various alien races). Every character is well written, with emotional and psychological depth, flaws, and good characteristics. The universe is rich and vast, in history and size. This really is, I dare say, one of the best constructed universes I have ever experienced. The conflict in the story is real, and the villain is menacing and induces despair. At one point, I really believed there was no way it wouldn't end in a tragic way. However, the most tragic, and the biggest flaw of this beautifully crafted story, universe, and characters, was the end of the journey. In about 15 minutes, everything was destroyed. The once-logical, beautiful space opera turned into hard sci-fi work of art that couldn't be criticized. Of course, the entire last 4 hours left much to be desired from the ending, as some of us thought it wasn't epic enough, but that was sort of acceptable, even more when compared to the completely unnecessary Deus Ex Machina that was the Starchild. The once menacing villain was turned into a pack of obedient, organic-hating, warmongering, puppet AIs. After the ending, people came up with a fan theory that explained the ending even better than the writers did; half-hour videos on YT appeared and detailed the ending, with evidence from the game itself. Alas, it was completely shot down by the infamous Extended Cut DLC that was released for free, which further worsened explained the bad ending. I once tried to pick up ME3 from the beginning, but I didn't even make it a quarter way through before I thought about the end of the journey and dropped it completely.

 

To me, Naruto is another Mass Effect in my life: I'll always cherish the times I had through the journey, but it will always be tarnished by the bad ending it got.

 

 

The only issue I have with fanfics is that they're all so pro narusaku and ideal that you can instantly tell they're fake. I think that what I think Heaven and earth should do is have a contest to write the most realistic ending that is believable to be canon and pro narusaku, and then someone like ladygt or of similar skill can draw the last chapter based on the winning story. Anyone else think the same as myself, or am I just too critical of the fanfics I've seen?

 

Damn, I'm not good at writing scripts, but I'd dare to enter the contest with an outline of what I'd do and do a draft for the dialogue, subject to corrections, of course.

 

Does anyone know how NS fans in Japan reacted? 

 

Most of the Japanese fans will react on Monday, the official day in which the WSJ issue with 699-700 is out for sale on Japan.

 

Are you guys going to even bother reading part 3? It's not written by him. 

 

I think I won't. And, I thought it wasn't going to be a Part 3 per se, but a series of short stories following the new generation.

 

jesus christ! how can he screw up this badly?

 

 

 

Only Kishi, his editors, assistants, and SP know. Most of the fandom has the same question. Hell, even Kishi himself may not know.

Edited by tatsujin76, 07 November 2014 - 05:39 AM.

[Michi]

Guys, there's no way in hell I'm gonna read part 3.

Just... NOPE. kitten NO.

Not going there.

not gonna read some story from fanfic.net

kitten dat kitten.

Like I said, I'm going to be in my world of denial!

[NarutoFan0304]

699-700 will never be canon to me.

Agreed. It's obviously not what Kishi had been building up to. He literally just killed SS on both sides a few chapters ago (multiple times from Sasuke), yet they're canon in the epilogue? I think it's obvious SP (for the movie) and whoever's doing Part 3 wanted to continue it with NH/SS, so they forced him to end it that way. That's we we get his statement saying he had to "accept" the final story, that it brings "sorrowful" feelings, and "Nevertheless, I'm able to speak clearly." "Nevertheless" being important. It's pretty clear this isn't the ending he wanted, and obvious from manga chapters 1-698 not what he was building up to. That's why he went out of his way to kill SS off before the end to show how stupid it becoming canon is. It's also probably the reason why he screwed with the series (Garaa's hair, ChojixKarui's kid, Sai's alien kid, Naruto's kids, Naruto of all people making his son feel lonely and neglected, just to tell him to sick it up, the whole epilogue itself seeming depressing ect.) Now whoever makes Part 3 has to use these designs and go off of this ending. It seems like his final revenge for them making him scrap his ending to a 698 chapter series he's worked on for 15 years.
Even then he leaves in NS/SK hints. Sakura looks more like Kushina than ever (in "The Last" she's the same height and gets her bangs, and in the epilogue she even gets the hair clip), and SS's kid looks like Karin.
All of this makes it pretty clear to see this isn't Kishi's intended ending and makes it easy to consider 699/700 non canon. In which we get left with the other 698 chapters (along with the hints from Sakura in "The Last" and the epilogue) which make it clear NS was meant to be end game up until the very end.

[natalieuciha]

But in 693, Sakura used past-tenses right? 

i thought 699 speaks for itsself that she WASNT using past tenses and translation of mangareader was right ...i heard even in the raws she uses present 

[redrose3443]

Oh my kittening god, can people please stop calling Sakura a b!tch?! This is not NF or NB this is NaruSaku.com. You blame Sakura like its all her fault, when Naruto in the end didn't even try. Don't give me the 693 excuse, all of part two Naruto believed Sakura still loved Sasuke, yet he still asked her for dates and claimed her his GF. In the end he never made a move and just let everything happen. NS not interacting happened, because neither approached the other. If you don't like Sakura, fine, but nobody wants to see one of their fave characters get bashed, after such a kitten ending.


SO STOP.

[Michi]

jesus christ! how can he screw up this badly?
 






 

Seeing stuff like this makes me want to cry. LOL

Like why? What did they do wrong?

Kishi, you need guidance.

[Liu bie]

Yeah that's for sure Boruto is too outgoing to be Hinata's son. And Sasuke had an affair with Karin so he and Sakura have to keep the daughter making her believe Sakura's her mother while it's Karin that's why she has glasses. 

LOL just joking! The truth is that they are all happy together without any problem of that sort. 

I was scary for that, I know in shonen won't do that. It is more possible in a Shoujo.

[Mokiepuppymaster]

Come to think of it...Kishi did say he wanted to end Naruto after the Pein arc...which ended with NS hug and ironically that's exactly the part after which the manga quality started deteriorating..

As much as love all that Uchiha drama, the Pein arc would have been a good place to end. Only Naruto didn't succeed in bringing Sasuke back, which was his goal from part 1

[narusaku256]

Guys, there's no way in hell I'm gonna read part 3.

Just... NOPE. kitten NO.

Not going there.

not gonna read some story from fanfic.net

kitten dat kitten.

Like I said, I'm going to be in my world of denial!

There's some interesting thing about Kishi hating his own ending going on around here. Well...the evidence some of them provided are pretty good...and do make sense...care to read that?