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[TouKen4Life3g]

She still has Neji. xD

This.

I can't see anything else. Maybe the movie indicated that Kishi is fine with NejiHina. Who knows.

[Transformers03]

What happens if both NaruSaku & SasuKarin becomes canon and Hinata gets nobody.

Though I'm sure Kishi will give Hinata some sort of happy ending, you're asking as if it matters. Does Hinata getting with anyone really all that important to the story, not really, unless it was going to be Naruhina, cause that would effected the main character. No matter if your a fan or not, how her story ends shouldn't be our top priority as the series enters it's climax.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Though I'm sure Kishi will give Hinata some sort of happy ending, you're asking as if it matters. Does Hinata getting with anyone really all that important to the story, not really, unless it was going to be Naruhina, cause that would effected the main character. No matter if your a fan or not, how her story ends shouldn't be our top priority as the series enters it's climax.

If anything, we probably see her ending in the epilogue, like all Konoha 11, and see her as a true heir of the clan. After all, she finally got confidence in her, so she can actually be strong this time around as Neji could be her most trusty guard/friend. I don't see how her ending needs to be with Naruto. It really feels like his life doesn't involve with the clan. He's going to be a Hokage, and be with a girl that really doesn't have well named clan (if Haruno is one).

[T XD]

What happens if both NaruSaku & SasuKarin becomes canon and Hinata gets nobody.

She still has Neji. xD

if there will be more than 1 pairing and sasukarin is one of them, hinata won't be alone. i don't think she'll be with neji though, she'll be most likely with kiba. i'm not saying cause she's his cousin and it's not about the family policy that they should be married from inside their own clan , although naruto told her or neji ( i don't remember) that he'll change this when he becomes hokage. kiba is cares more about her and i think he has a thing for her and he always stood beside her in everything and he's always afraid of her safety. i see him with her if hinata would be with someone

Edited by T XD, 12 August 2012 - 08:20 PM.

[Traci]

I think only one pairing will be canon by the end of the story. Another reason why I don't think side-shipping really makes sense when it comes to NH and SS or even NS and SK is because I don't think two people are going to start falling for someone completely out of the blue at the same time (granted it won't be out of the blue for NS for obvious reasons).

For me, the only way two pairings can be canon is in the epilogue. It would seem really asspull-ish for Naruto to start falling for Hinata at the same time Sasuke starts falling for Sakura. However, I guess it might be possible for NH to happen in-story, and then have SS happen in the epilogue, or for NS to happen in-story, but have SK happen in the epilogue.

As for how I feel about SK, I doubt it's going to happen and I don't want it to. In my opinion, it's sort of worse than SasuSaku. Honestly, if NaruSaku didn't exist or wasn't a big influence (like Naruto didn't love Sakura, or if Sakura showed absolutely no signs of loving Naruto) then I would feel like SasuSaku is more likely than SasuKarin. I have no problems with anyone who likes SK, but I really doubt that pairing will be canon.

[ciardha]

Not at all and I'm dying to know ;~; all Kushina said was that they were feared for their fuuinjutsu and what no during the war, and so they were attacked and destroyed. But it doesn't even specify what war, or anything; I think Kishi is keeping this deliberately vague because he has more revelations about the Uzumaki clan and its origins. Particularly, its relation to Rikudou and the Elder Son.

It sounds like it would either at the very end of the Second War or perhaps was one of the triggers of the Third War, with the former being more likely. Kushina comes to Konoha when she is around 6-7 years old, she and Minato are right around three years younger than the Ame orphan trio. Nagato lost his parents at around 10 years old during the peak of the Second war (when Minato and Kushina were around 7) Whirlpool wasn't destroyed until after Kushina left. (And apparently the Uzumaki clan freely married outside of their home country prior to the country's destruction, even to civilians- whichever of Nagato's parents was an Uzumaki married a civilian and gave up their ninja clan life for some reason). The Second War was ending at the time Minato and Kushina graduated the Academy and became Genin (and Kushina the jinchuurki of the kyuubi. Jiariya tells the Ame orphan trio as he leaves after three years that the war (Second) was winding down. Kumo's attempted abduction of Kushina occurs sometime shortly after this, after Minato becomes part of the Genin team Jiraiya was the sensei of.) I tend to lean toward an event that happened near the end of the Second War, there's a since of time factor in Kushina's narrative that makes it sound like it happened a number of years before her death, the third war doesn't end until around the time Naruto was conceived.)

[Kanae]

It sounds like it would either at the very end of the Second War or perhaps was one of the triggers of the Third War, with the former being more likely. Kushina comes to Konoha when she is around 6-7 years old, she and Minato are right around three years younger than the Ame orphan trio. Nagato lost his parents at around 10 years old during the peak of the Second war (when Minato and Kushina were around 7) Whirlpool wasn't destroyed until after Kushina left. (And apparently the Uzumaki clan freely married outside of their home country prior to the country's destruction, even to civilians- whichever of Nagato's parents was an Uzumaki married a civilian and gave up their ninja clan life for some reason). The Second War was ending at the time Minato and Kushina graduated the Academy and became Genin (and Kushina the jinchuurki of the kyuubi. Jiariya tells the Ame orphan trio as he leaves after three years that the war (Second) was winding down. Kumo's attempted abduction of Kushina occurs sometime shortly after this, after Minato becomes part of the Genin team Jiraiya was the sensei of.) I tend to lean toward an event that happened near the end of the Second War, there's a since of time factor in Kushina's narrative that makes it sound like it happened a number of years before her death, the third war doesn't end until around the time Naruto was conceived.)

I had been looking forward to discussing this! Uzumaki's backstory is one of the things that intrigues me the most in the manga, there are just so many mysteries surrounding it.

I totally agree that it most likely happened during the 2nd, and Nagato's parents are actually part of the reason why I tend to lean towards that option; you point out a really interesting hypothesis about them, but at the same time, I can't help but feel like they fit the pattern Kushina mentioned a little too well to be a coincidence. The whole "the survivors all scattered to other lands and went into hiding"; I think this would explain how Nagato's parents ended up in Ame, why Nagato seemed to be unaware of his Uzumaki lineage (as far as we know), and why they seemed to be civilians. They would not perform any Uzumaki jutsu or want to attract attention to themselves, precisely due to what happened to the Whirlpool Country granted, it's just a theory; but in this case, the destruction of the Whirlpool Country would have taken place not too long after Kushina arrived to Konoha, wouldn't it? (please do correct me if I'm wrong, I tend to find Kishi's timelines pretty confusing lol)

I also think that Karin may probably fit this pattern, too; whomever was an Uzumaki among her parents probably escaped to Kusagakure and married there. Or perhaps both of her parents were Uzumaki, who knows lol

Edited by Kanae, 12 August 2012 - 07:25 PM.

[CloudMountainJuror]

Really, I couldn't care less about any possible prior SK "development". As far as I'm concerned, that one action Sasuke took against her was enough to logically kill the pairing, just like his actions against Sakura after the Danzo fight.

Edited by zacrathedemon5, 12 August 2012 - 07:22 PM.

[catsi563]

^ Sorry! haha it's been a long while since I last posted, so I wasn't sure on how did spoiler-ing stuff work here but hopefully it's fine now.

RAWR!! *flying pounce tackle huggle Kanae* =^__^=


Heya you been a bit.

There some of the Uzumaki backstory i too am loking forwards too its reveal.

Ive held steady to the notion that Karin remains and will remain essential to Sasukes final redemption at Narutos hands. I think some of that may be revealed v ua orochimaru throughher backstory and connection to The Uzumaki.

[Verilance]

One thing about the possibility of SasuKar means I would have to increase the amount of power i gave to Ai Uchiha in my fanfic lol, as the child of Karin and Sasuke she would have Uzumaki blood as well things i didn't know about when I wrote Hokage so many years ago...

Seriously even though I put a smidgen of SasuKar in my story (including a child) I have never been a big fan of it thinking that Karin was just Sakura on steroids in terms of fangirling Sasuke but and it is a big BUT....

after reading and rereading chapter 574 I began to see that is where Kishimoto seems to be heading

The whole bringing in of tradition of fumi-e and her inability to step on Sasuke's picture (whether or not it was for distracting the guards) Karin's escape and whether she will rendezvous with Naruto or Sasuke will be telling, my bet is on Taka

then the whole Suijetsu Juugo conversation about Karin and Sasuke together

it is all subtle but it is all there....

Edited by Verilance, 12 August 2012 - 08:32 PM.

[sushi.]

if there will be more than 1 pairing and sasukarin is one of them, hinata won't be alone. i don't think she'll be with neji though, she'll be most likely with kiba. i'm not saying cause she's his cousin and it's not about the family policy that they should be married from inside their own clan , although naruto told her or neji ( i don't remember) that he'll change this when he becomes hokage. kiba is cares more about her and i think he has a thing for her and he always stood beside her in everything and he's always afraid of her safety. i see him with her if hinata would be with someone

I am a previous (moderate) KibaHina fan, but now I'm all for NejiHina. Reason is, Neji is the only one who doesn't need to be "lectured". I feel like Kiba needs a bossy woman. Like Sakura for Naruto, he needs someone who's all for discipline, same for Lee and Tenten and somewhat Ino and Chouji. But Neji is so..professional and levelheaded, he doesn't need to be kept in line. Kiba does. And Hinata is the only K12 girl who is far from a tsundere and I can not imagine her be bossy around her man.

But I think what he told Neji/Hinata was that he would make peace between the branches, not ruin their family policy. Although I think it's plain wrong, if Naruto were to change it, it must be on the behalf of another Hyuuga imo.

Edited by sushi., 12 August 2012 - 08:27 PM.

[Kanae]

^ I'm on the same boat, I was fond of KibaHina back in Part 1 but NejiHina has really grown on me lately haha

@Verilance: I have to admit I didn't think much of Karin's little stunt with the guards (specifically the part about not being able to step on his picture) until I read your guys posts, it's pretty interesting

RAWR!! *flying pounce tackle huggle Kanae* =^__^=

Heya you been a bit.

There some of the Uzumaki backstory i too am loking forwards too its reveal.

Ive held steady to the notion that Karin remains and will remain essential to Sasukes final redemption at Narutos hands. I think some of that may be revealed v ua orochimaru throughher backstory and connection to The Uzumaki.

CatCat! <3333 so have you~! You've been missed over at the FC missy; you should drop by one of these days so that we can theorize and discuss our povs about that

But yeah, I definitely think we have some Uzumaki backstory coming, which is really exciting because there must be something really important there Madara should also know a fair bit about the Uzumaki since he knew Mito. She is another Uzumaki I'm interested in learning more about~ Naruto's family is awesome lol

Edited by Kanae, 12 August 2012 - 08:36 PM.

[merryGOflava]

i wonder what would happen if sakura and karin met :o

[TouKen4Life3g]

i wonder what would happen if sakura and karin met :o

Didn't they though? Unless you mean 1-on-1 talk. I wonder what is Karin's status. I wonder if she was moved by Naruto's speech back at the summit.

[CloudMountainJuror]

One thing about the possibility of SasuKar means I would have to increase the amount of power i gave to Ai Uchiha in my fanfic lol, as the child of Karin and Sasuke she would have Uzumaki blood as well things i didn't know about when I wrote Hokage so many years ago...

Seriously even though I put a smidgen of SasuKar in my story (including a child) I have never been a big fan of it thinking that Karin was just Sakura on steroids in terms of fangirling Sasuke but and it is a big BUT....

after reading and rereading chapter 574 I began to see that is where Kishimoto seems to be heading

The whole bringing in of tradition of fumi-e and her inability to step on Sasuke's picture (whether or not it was for distracting the guards) Karin's escape and whether she will rendezvous with Naruto or Sasuke will be telling, my bet is on Taka

then the whole Suijetsu Juugo conversation about Karin and Sasuke together

it is all subtle but it is all there....

Sure, it's there. But if it happens, it'll be atrocious writing in the end.

[ramenanmitsu]

I most definitely agree that finding someone useful does not equal to caring, but;

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Sasuke awoke Enton: Kagutsuchi for Karin. He risked not only his, but also Juugo's (and as such Suigetsu's, since he was unconscious and being carried by the latter) in the off-chance that he may be able to do something in the face of the inextinguishable black-flames.

No matter how I see it (and especially when I look at his expression after he thinks her name), that seems to me like a lot of caring.

Sorry, my wording was bad. I wanted to point out that the reason Karin didn't need any comfort from Sasuke was because she was already useful to Sasuke. But whether she was useful to Sasuke more than Sakura was has nothing to do with which girl he cares for more.

Oh, but I never said that he didn't care about Sakura. At the contrary, I've never denied that he cared and considered her a precious friend.

That doesn't negate that he was a jerk to her, though; with "shut ups", "stay out of my business" and glares that he never used, nor aimed at Karin. The closest thing you can get to Sasuke even glaring at Karin is 465, and his chakra had already became "cold" and "dark" by then. Normal, usual Sasuke though? He never did such a thing.

What I wanted to say was, those words("if you have time to bother me, go train", "your abilities are below Naruto") Sasuke said was as a friend/teammate not because he was a jerk to her. He just told her the reality harshly.

Actually, there was a scene in the manga where Karin was in a room together with Sasuke trying to close the distance of their bodies and Sasuke said, "move away from me." Sasuke says these kinds of things to both girls when they try to show their affections. The only difference is that Karin doesn't show her affections when they are with team Taka, which is most of the time. Contrary, Sakura shows her affections to Sasuke openly and therefore more number of times.

So all in all Sasuke takes actions to avoid them.

That's because the circumstances are different; while in Part I he had the chance to "soften up", so to speak, in Part II he isn't only thinking and wanting to kill Itachi and fulfill his revenge - he is actually going after him. Moreover, Part II Sasuke is a Sasuke who has already "severed" bonds and left his important people behind. In other words, he is not a Sasuke who is going to care about bonding with people or acknowledging what they mean to him.

And regardless of that:

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Here you have Sasuke acknowledging what Taka did for him, being moved by them, and pulling an Amaterasu. Moreover: he thinks of them in the same context as Team 7. He is reminded of Team 7 by them; I honestly believe that demonstrated that he had bonds with them that went deeper than the simple "means to an end".

Now, some may say that Sasuke's behavior during the Kage Summit arc shows the opposite; and that's true, which is precisely the point. While he showed that he cared for Taka in the past, now that he has become a "completely different Sasuke" with a chakra that's "dark" and "way cold" (all of those, Karin's words), he does the opposite and leaves Juugo and Suigetsu behind without a single thought; because they have never been the essential part of Team.

Sasuke had to break the bonds with team 7 because they are different to them. They live in the light. Sasuke believed that the bond will have a strong influence on him that will make him weaker. I think that itself shows how strong the bond was.

Whereas in taka's case he was sustaining his bonds with them because they were dark from the beginning. There was no need to severe it because team taka's bond would not influence him for his road to revenge.

And Karin; Karin he outright betrays and sacrifices. But this is important; because if Sasuke simply did not care about Karin, or simply considered her "a tool", Kishi wouldn't have used her as the threshold for the moment Sasuke "plunges into real darkness!" (as showcased by the chapter titles, side-text, and couple of spreads) - because it simply would not have had any emotional value.

I didn't say he didn't care for her.

And pardon me for chiming in like this but:

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Don't let the Sasuke on the left distract you from the Sasuke on the right; Kishi made a point of showing that Karin not only knew Sasuke before he went dark - she literally got a good look at the best side of him. A kind Sasuke who saved her, and did not only that, but smiled at her in a way he has never smiled at anyone else in the manga so far (chibi pre massacre sasuke not withstanding )

So I think Karin did get to know that part of Sasuke, too. Moreover, it's worth keeping in mind that when we saw SK in 348 - they already knew each other. Suigetsu's jab at Karin's feelings in 351 also point to that; so we don't know just for how long they were together during the timeskip.

Karin had no bitemarks during the chuunin exams, which seems to indicate that she joined Oro only after it; and taking into account that the Databook states that she joined Oro for Sasuke, it seems safe to assume Sasuke was already with Oro by the time she joined, after her village burnt down.

My point still stands. We can't say who knows Sasuke better because if Karin's glimpse of Sasuke at the chuunin exam can be counted as knowing Sasuke before he went to the dark, then Sakura seeing and trying to fight Sasuke right after the time skip and after the Kage Summit shows that she knows him both when he was light and dark.

I won't touch anything else you mentioned because I feel that, to be honest, we (sk and non sk fans alike) first need to see how SK's encounter goes before truly sitting down and trying to change each other's minds about the matter, haha so for now rather than getting down to the differences between SS and SK, my main point is that he did care about Karin - and that before he started his downspiral into darkness,he was never rude to her on a normal basis.

He was rude to both of them as I said above.

Lol to the Sasukarin stuff, that thing we say are just double standard and hypocrisy, if Sasuke was nice to Karin, what was he towards Sakura, he was mean to Sakura then compliment her so she could feel better, protect her against Orochimaru, ask her who hurt her in FOD, ready to give his life and asked Naruto to protect her with his life and give her a genuine thank you.

With Karin he was not even close to that, he told her that he needed her and appreciated that she save his life and the reason why he unlocked the reverse Amateratsu was because he remember how much old Team cared for him and saw how Team taka never care about giving their life for him so he when all out for Team Taka.

Why do I like NS more than SS, is because Naruto has being by miles a better person to Sakura, if he did know how to use his word better perhaps he would had Sakura loving him a long time ago we all know how she gets when someone compliments her, but instead for comedy purpose he always ends up saying something silly.

Another reason is because Sasuke was 70% of the times mean or a jerk to Sakura.

And why I despise SasuSaku and SasuKarin was the fact that the two girls really liked him, but he only like and care about the Uchihas, Itachi and Himself proved by his behaviour and the way he betray the others when he doesn't nedd them any more plus try to kill both girls.

So the SasuKarin stuff is just our way of side Shippen a negative pairing and make our arguments look silly and hypocrite, we cannot blame SasuSaku for Sasuke behavior and be ok with SasuKarin because Sasuke was never more supported to Karin than he was about Sakura and both are very negative.

The only thing I can debate about are the two girls' feelings, Sakura will stick by Naruto's side genuinely support him and doesn't like this Sasuke, in the past she mention that she will follow him with his revenge stuff and she never did it the moment she had the chance to escape and go searching for him, she was given the chance to kill for him and she hesitated, she was willing to see him dead instead of Naruto, even if it hurted her Naruto life is more important than Sasuke's life to her, her love wasn't strong enough to kill Sasuke to save him and lastly in the Reasengan v's Chidori exchange we all saw whose name she shouted out.

What I'm trying to say is the way Sakura is concerned about Naruto, believe in him, trust him more than anyone, care about his dreams/desire and will fallow him all the way is what everyone would call real dedication and commitment, others call it love of siblings but since that isn't the case it has to be something she doesn't want to admit or thaught about do to her strong desire for Sasuke's acknowledgment and her undying crush not love for him.

If we mirror Naruto and Sakura you will notice thatr they are both the same, they are both stubborn and wants to be acknowledged by Sasuke and no one else plus the fact that they really care about their friend is what made them so attached to his memory.

I agree with the this post above.

Really, I couldn't care less about any possible prior SK "development". As far as I'm concerned, that one action Sasuke took against her was enough to logically kill the pairing, just like his actions against Sakura after the Danzo fight.

THIS!

Edited by ramenanmitsu, 12 August 2012 - 09:11 PM.

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

One thing about the possibility of SasuKar means I would have to increase the amount of power i gave to Ai Uchiha in my fanfic lol, as the child of Karin and Sasuke she would have Uzumaki blood as well things i didn't know about when I wrote Hokage so many years ago...

Seriously even though I put a smidgen of SasuKar in my story (including a child) I have never been a big fan of it thinking that Karin was just Sakura on steroids in terms of fangirling Sasuke but and it is a big BUT....

after reading and rereading chapter 574 I began to see that is where Kishimoto seems to be heading

The whole bringing in of tradition of fumi-e and her inability to step on Sasuke's picture (whether or not it was for distracting the guards) Karin's escape and whether she will rendezvous with Naruto or Sasuke will be telling, my bet is on Taka

then the whole Suijetsu Juugo conversation about Karin and Sasuke together

it is all subtle but it is all there....

I had no idea you write fanfiction

[TouKen4Life3g]

Well, I will hold off on that discussion about SasuKarin until further notice. That said I would say this. If Sakura, out of Sasuke and Sakura, said that they never really talk to each other, then you know the relationship isn't working. Friendship, yes, more than just friends, no. There is no support behind it at all. It's all empty. Only Sakura holding this feelings, but it will vanish too. Kishi is making it clear that Sasuke isn't fit for her or any perhaps. I find it hard to believe that he will change a lot when he returns. He can still keeps that attitude, just no death threat requires. I read another manga that has the characteristic but not a bad guy, just a guy who don't care about women. It's natural. Plus the amount of NaruSaku is too much to ignore. It's already too late to call it just friends, especially after Sai arc. That arc alone tells you that Sakura has a hidden feelings for Naruto.

[4000TMNT]

He was rude to both of them as I said above.

Can you tell me one time that Sasuke was rude to Karin Pre-Dark Sasuke, bacause there were many panels were Karin has been rude to Sasuke and he never talk back to her.

[Kanae]

@ramenanmitsu: I respect your opinion and I can see that, for now, we most likely won't really reach an agreement because we see SK's dynamic and its basis fundamentally differently haha, so agreeing to disagree is probably the way to go so rather than debating the points you made, I'm just going to clarify two of my own points instead~

Actually, there was a scene in the manga where Karin was in a room together with Sasuke trying to close the distance of their bodies and Sasuke said, "move away from me." Sasuke says these kinds of things to both girls when they try to show their affections. The only difference is that Karin doesn't show her affections when they are with team Taka, which is most of the time. Contrary, Sakura shows her affections to Sasuke openly and therefore more number of times.

So all in all Sasuke takes actions to avoid them.

Yes, I'm familiar with the scene and with how Sasuke reacts when a girl shows her affections; but I was actually talking about the usual dynamic. While Karin does not shower him with affection, she does something that can just as easily warrant her one of Sasuke's "Shut up"s or famous glares. She questions his logic, insults him (weakling, bastard) so on so forth; and not once did Sasuke snap at her. That's what I meant

My point still stands. We can't say who knows Sasuke better because if Karin's glimpse of Sasuke at the chuunin exam can be counted as knowing Sasuke before he went to the dark, then Sakura seeing and trying to fight Sasuke right after the time skip and after the Kage Summit shows that she knows him both when he was light and dark.

So does mine; I never said Sakura didn't get a look at that side of Sasuke (he almost killed her and she witnessed him almost killing Karin, I'd say that counts as first-hand experience of Sasuke being dark, even if she doesn't know the reasons behind it and all lol) all I said was that Karin did see that "before he went dark" part of him, too, and we don't know just how well since we haven't gotten their backstory yet

Edited by Kanae, 12 August 2012 - 09:46 PM.