9679 replies to this topic

[RedDelicious]

Maybe her confession was selfish, but I guess you could say the same thing about Sakura's, considering she knew she was going to fight Sasuke, and maybe die in the process.

Big difference...
Hinata wanted to die fighting in defense of Naruto.
Sakura knew that it was a very slim chance, but if Naruto agreed to return with her to the village, she would *not* have gone after Sasuke. She would have stayed with Naruto in the Leaf Village.

Sakura's goal was always Naruto's safety and well-being.
Hinata's goal was *not* to rescue Naruto, but to have the courage to fight the good fight. While admirable, it is selfish.

Edited by RedDelicious, 25 May 2011 - 12:43 AM.

[Nate River]

^But the thing is he/she is a Sakura "fan"

I'm sorry, but things like are a bit of a pet peeve for me. It stems from my experience in the world of sports, but it always grates my nerves when "die hard" or "true" fans tell everyone else who is "fan."

[Derock]

I have this:

Can someone explain to me how this quote is really part of what Sakura really wants in terms of Sasuke, manga wise. Because really you have to be delusional or not a real Sakura fan to want her suffering.

I'm sorry, but things like are a bit of a pet peeve for me. It stems from my experience in the world of sports, but it always grates my nerves when "die hard" or "true" fans tell everyone else who is "fan."

Agree. Saying that Sakura can't deserve heaven and wants to be in Hell with Sasuke and claiming he/she is a Sakura fan... not a "true" fan of her at all. And on top of that, if you're a fan, why bash her? Sometimes, people say the silliest (other words, the stupidest) things.

[catsi563]

I agree with the Code Geass part, but I see a huge difference between Orihime and Hinata's confession. Orihime thought she was never coming back, and even then couldn't bring herself to kiss Ichigo. To be honest, I used to like IchiRuki, but couldn't help but tear up at that scene. Maybe her confession was selfish, but I guess you could say the same thing about Sakura's, considering she knew she was going to fight Sasuke, and maybe die in the process.

Actually there's a huge difference between Sakuras an Orihimes confessions. Sakuras was entirely unselfish. her sole goals was to protect Naruto from the truth about the rookies decision to end Sasuke, and let him know she was open to his feelings as well as relieve the burden on his shoulders.

Had he accepted her word at face value im certian she would eventually have left him behidn to go after Sasuke but it was only after insuring Naruto was safe in konoha.

As to Orihime she and Sakura share few to no similarities. Orihime is a classic Shonen Shy girl stereotype. friendly and outgoing but shy and reserved around the main character who she admires but is unable to tell her feelings too.

Inevitably the Shy female character gathers the courage in some fashion to tell the main character how she feels and is then in some fashion relegated to the background or killed.

the characters have different personalities and variances for example Orihime is much more outgoing, while Hinata is far more reserved amongst other people. But beyond that both retain the core shonen sterotype.

Just as Naruto and Ichigo retain the core shonen hero, not to bright but strong and determined and with incredible potential.

[Miss Soupy]

Actually there's a huge difference between Sakuras an Orihimes confessions. Sakuras was entirely unselfish. her sole goals was to protect Naruto from the truth about the rookies decision to end Sasuke, and let him know she was open to his feelings as well as relieve the burden on his shoulders.

I wouldn't say it was entirely unselfish. She was bypassing Naruto's own say on the matter, after all, in order to atone for burdening him. It was mostly for Naruto, but partly for Sasuke and partly for her own guilt as well. It wasn't as selfish as Hinata's confession however.

As to Orihime she and Sakura share few to no similarities. Orihime is a classic Shonen Shy girl stereotype. friendly and outgoing but shy and reserved around the main character who she admires but is unable to tell her feelings too.

Inevitably the Shy female character gathers the courage in some fashion to tell the main character how she feels and is then in some fashion relegated to the background or killed.

the characters have different personalities and variances for example Orihime is much more outgoing, while Hinata is far more reserved amongst other people. But beyond that both retain the core shonen sterotype.

Just as Naruto and Ichigo retain the core shonen hero, not to bright but strong and determined and with incredible potential.

Depends on what you think is the most important aspect of the characters you are comparing. I would argue that the more important aspect about both girls is how they are 'real girl' type characters. Both exhibit extreme low self-esteem, both are subject to mostly healing roles, and growth is a key feature on both sides. Rukia and Sakura don't have much in common outside of their more abrasive tendencies. Rukia isn't really trying to find herself, not compared to Orihime. I would agree with Boom...winning in that you are comparing two very different stories with characters that don't necessarily just match up all nicely.

[Super Boom]

As to Orihime she and Sakura share few to no similarities. Orihime is a classic Shonen Shy girl stereotype. friendly and outgoing but shy and reserved around the main character who she admires but is unable to tell her feelings too.

Inevitably the Shy female character gathers the courage in some fashion to tell the main character how she feels and is then in some fashion relegated to the background or killed.

the characters have different personalities and variances for example Orihime is much more outgoing, while Hinata is far more reserved amongst other people. But beyond that both retain the core shonen sterotype.

Just as Naruto and Ichigo retain the core shonen hero, not to bright but strong and determined and with incredible potential.

I don't know if Sakura was being 'selfish' in her confession, I was just drawing a comparison between the two confessions. I just don't think it's very logical to draw conclusions based solely on character stereotypes, especially ones featured in manga that have yet to finish. I agree that Hinata's confession was selfish, but there's a difference between telling someone you love them and dieing in front of them, and confessing your feelings to an unconcious person before preparing to leave forever.
And although Naruto and Ichigo have some personality traits in common, one of the appeals of Bleach to me is that he DIFFERS from the shonen stereotype. From the very beginning, he doesn't have some all-encompassing ambition in mind; his only concern his protecting the people important to him.
Also, even if there are similarities between the characters, the romantic subplots have very little in common. Ichigo didn't love Rukia unconditionally from the beginning of the series, Orihime didn't care for Ichigo in the beginning, and, there was never a 'Sasuke' type (unless Renji somehow takes up that role).

Depends on what you think is the most important aspect of the characters you are comparing. I would argue that the more important aspect about both girls is how they are 'real girl' type characters. Both exhibit extreme low self-esteem, both are subject to mostly healing roles, and growth is a key feature on both sides. Rukia and Sakura don't have much in common outside of their more abrasive tendencies. Rukia isn't really trying to find herself, not compared to Orihime. I would agree with Boom...winning in that you are comparing two very different stories with characters that don't necessarily just match up all nicely.

Thanks, and again, although you can draw some similarities between the characters, the bottom line is that the series and characters are far too different. I'm sure, if we tried hard enough, we could find hundreds of fictional series that support either NaruSaku or NaruHina. Besides, considering how Bleach has yet too finish, any comparison we find there doesn't really prove anything on either end.

Sakura knew that it was a very slim chance, but if Naruto agreed to return with her to the village, she would *not* have gone after Sasuke. She would have stayed with Naruto in the Leaf Village.

I guess I'm not necessarily refuting this, but was it established that Sakura wouldn't have gone after Sasuke if Naruto went back with her? I guess I originally assumed her plan was to K.O. Naruto along with the rest of the group, but that's just my own speculation. I guess there's a number of different ways to look at that whole scenario.

Edited by Boom...Winning, 25 May 2011 - 05:21 AM.

[bthug]

I was wondering, do you think Naruto will ever tell Sakura that it was him disguised as sasuke on the bench it part one?

Also do you think he will mention anything about her forehead again?

I am indifferent about the bench scene, I guess it would be cool to tell her.

As for the forehead, I think the first kiss Naruto gives her should be one on the forehead, but of course I want one on the lips.

Now that I am writing about the kiss, I don't know if we will get one on the lips, two kisses seem out of the question for some reason. I'd rather have one on the lips then one on the forehead.

[RedDelicious]

As for the forehead, I think the first kiss Naruto gives her should be one on the forehead, but of course I want one on the lips.

Now that I am writing about the kiss, I don't know if we will get one on the lips, two kisses seem out of the question for some reason. I'd rather have one on the lips then one on the forehead.

If you are conflicted, then compromise with one kiss apiece: have Naruto kiss Sakura on the forehead , then Sakura goes for the lips.

[catsi563]

I do believe it will be resolved but who knows if Kishimoto Sensei will follow through. One point of interest is this love letter, and a bit of foreshadowing from kushina in regards to her hair.

So yes I believe its a strong possibility that it will be resolved possibly soon.

[Phantom_999]

Phantom_999 my man, you really get me. Sure I don't want it to turn into a love drama (not that I wouldn't mind ) but a couple of obstacles would be nice as long as Narusaku wins out.

The thing about Lee is that I just don't take his pursuit for Sakura serious lol, I love Lee he is one of my favorite characters, but always seemed like it was a joke. Maybe it's the same for hinata, but most people just take it seriously.

As for Rapasta who I believe put his ideal ending, I respect your ideology (if that's the right word) , but I would not like that ending.
I like the part about seeing Naruto's hokage initiation and the fact that Naruto and Sakura have a kid, but I don't like anything else about it. (sorry not trying to sound mean)
I see them visiting sasuke's grave as a high possibility. but if someone does it should just be Naruto. I don't want Sakura crying over sasuke and their kid could be named sasuke,but I would not like that he should be named either Jiraiya, Minato, Naruto, or named after another part of ramen. Oh and let's not forget the kiss between Naruto and Sakura, I need to see a nice kiss on the lips while they hold each other. Along with a kiss before the fight with sasuke, but on her forehead.

Oh and seriously check out the link I put, its a good Narusaku video.

Yeah it won't turn into love drama (Kishimoto might not want to make a full, pure based romance story anyway) but either way if we get more romantic moments I'll be happy! whether a few to a dozen And I definitely don't want the story ending before One Piece

And Yeah Catsi It will likely be resolved soon and I'm hoping for it. But it's not like I want this tread to end but its something we're all waiting for right?

Edited by Phantom_999, 25 May 2011 - 09:46 AM.

[rastaman]

I do believe it will be resolved but who knows if Kishimoto Sensei will follow through. One point of interest is this love letter, and a bit of foreshadowing from kushina in regards to her hair.

So yes I believe its a strong possibility that it will be resolved possibly soon.

I hope there's gonna be some serious action or at least a deep conversation between Naruto and Sakura before Madara initiates his final step.
Seems probable too me since this could be the last chance. I doubt Sakura (or Hinata ) are gonna interfere with the main battle. If they do, then only at the end.
Besides, my intuition tells me the whole thing with Neiji<<< (now evil aura) is gonna attract Naruto, who now has his instincts to detect malice. I consider a similarity between Neiji and Kisame (hiding in Samehada) not too far-fetched.
There's a very faced paced plot progress going on right now and Sakura is targeted in the middle of the night so time for some lovey-dovey vibes, amen!
We must not forget that Killerbee is with Naruto, too. He's also got some insight into Naruto's subconsciousness. I bet he's gonna be the one to direct Naruto in the right direction by encouraging him to take the initiave and open up some more to Sakura^^

Edited by rastaman, 25 May 2011 - 10:31 AM.

[bthug]

Yea I could see Killerbee becoming another advocate for love between Naruto and Sakura.

I was wondering would you guys consider episode 180 (when Naruto and Sakura are sitting on the wood and talking) a Narusaku moment?

[rastaman]

Does anyone know something about the chapter 540 spoilers? There's one guy in the 'Kishimoto about Sakura "an honest girl"??? thread' who wrote that 'sadly' chapter 540 had something to do with the ongoing discussion there. Pls somebody tell me how bad the situation is without spoiling.

Edited by rastaman, 25 May 2011 - 01:55 PM.

[Codus N]

I hope there's gonna be some serious action or at least a deep conversation between Naruto and Sakura before Madara initiates his final step.
Seems probable too me since this could be the last chance. I doubt Sakura (or Hinata ) are gonna interfere with the main battle. If they do, then only at the end.
Besides, my intuition tells me the whole thing with Neiji<<< (now evil aura) is gonna attract Naruto, who now has his instincts to detect malice. I consider a similarity between Neiji and Kisame (hiding in Samehada) not too far-fetched.
There's a very faced paced plot progress going on right now and Sakura is targeted in the middle of the night so time for some lovey-dovey vibes, amen!
We must not forget that Killerbee is with Naruto, too. He's also got some insight into Naruto's subconsciousness. I bet he's gonna be the one to direct Naruto in the right direction by encouraging him to take the initiave and open up some more to Sakura^^

Heh, I'm willing to bet he'll be absolutely blunt about it (even more blunt than Sai ever was). Somewhat like Isshin. I think he might try to check Sakura the way he did with Iruka. I have a feeling that Bee actually has great words of wisdom to impart on Sakura that will push them both even closer.

[RedDelicious]

Does anyone know something about the chapter 540 spoilers? There's one guy in the 'Kishimoto about Sakura "an honest girl"??? thread' who wrote that 'sadly' chapter 540 had something to do with the ongoing discussion there. Pls somebody tell me how bad the situation is without spoiling.

I'll repeat what I just wrote in the other thread...

At face value, it looks somewhat bad.
But consider that:
- it is only two images of the ladies thinking, so they haven't done anything
- don't have the translation to put the images in context

We should also wait to see if this pays out over the next few chapters.
There have been plenty of moments in the past that looked bad at the time, but turned out to be a tempest in a teapot.
This could be a classic Kishimoto moment, where we find out there was more going on than just those mental images.

[rastaman]

I'll repeat what I just wrote in the other thread...

At face value, it looks somewhat bad.
But consider that:
- it is only two images of the ladies thinking, so they haven't done anything
- don't have the translation to put the images in context

We should also wait to see if this pays out over the next few chapters.
There have been plenty of moments in the past that looked bad at the time, but turned out to be a tempest in a teapot.
This could be a classic Kishimoto moment, where we find out there was more going on than just those mental images.

Thanks dude, I thought it was red alert lol. Anyway, I'm gonna wait till tomorrow or friday and find out myself.

If Naruto does not end with NaruSaku I'm probably gonna sulk for a week or more.
The problem is that there's not nearly enough GOOD mangas with some romance in it so it's not easy to find a substitute^^

[bthug]

Thanks dude, I thought it was red alert lol. Anyway, I'm gonna wait till tomorrow or friday and find out myself.

If Naruto does not end with NaruSaku I'm probably gonna sulk for a week or more.
The problem is that there's not nearly enough GOOD mangas with some romance in it so it's not easy to find a substitute^^

Just a week? I'll be devastated for years to come, no joke. I just finished another anime KIBA and the pairing I wanted didn't work out and the whole time I thought it would I mean Roia was all over Zed. That's an anime I wasn't even invested into much and it's got me down in the dumps.

Edited by bthug, 25 May 2011 - 03:53 PM.

[Sojobo]

Come on guys, there is nothing new in this chapter.
It isn't new that Sakura still loves Sasuke, the confession was a plan to free Naruto from his promise, she played a role when she confessed. (people wasn't agree with when I said that)
Just read Databook, it is said in 1 and 3 that Sakura has some feelings for Naruto but that she can't realise yet what it is. We have even a speech from Yamato in Orochimaru's arc. And Kishimoto confirmed in his interview that he wll do some changes in the relation between Sakura, Naruto and Sasuke, that Sakura will be more heroine like to Naruto, that she will change her attitude towards Naruto. Sakura just doesn't get it what Naruto means to her, that is what Sai and Yamato saw in Oro's arc.


For NaruHina part I stll don't know how it will be canon, Naruto loves Sakura so much like Sai said to Sakura, he can't just forget his love for her after hearing a confession from another girl.
Kishi isn't this type of mangaka, I garentee you, NaruSaku will be canon, it's just that Kishi has to make us clear how NaruHina and SasuSaku will fall apart.

We expect some explanation for how Sakura will forget Sasuke, how she will realise that she will realise her feelings for Naruto.
Sakura wants to protect Naruto but she always fails, that's why she needs to understand what Yamato meant by "what's important is your feelings for Naruto".


When she will understand that (and I think Sai will play a part in that too) NaruSaku will be canon. But first we need some explanation about her feelings for Sasuke.

[Living Lavish]

Come on guys, there is nothing new in this chapter.
It isn't new that Sakura still loves Sasuke, the confession was a plan to free Naruto from his promise, she played a role when she confessed. (people wasn't agree with when I said that)
Just read Databook, it is said in 1 and 3 that Sakura has some feelings for Naruto but that she can't realise yet what it is. We have even a speech from Yamato in Orochimaru's arc. And Kishimoto confirmed in his interview that he wll do some changes in the relation between Sakura, Naruto and Sasuke, that Sakura will be more heroine like to Naruto, that she will change her attitude towards Naruto. Sakura just doesn't get it what Naruto means to her, that is what Sai and Yamato saw in Oro's arc.


For NaruHina part I stll don't know how it will be canon, Naruto loves Sakura so much like Sai said to Sakura, he can't just forget his love for her after hearing a confession from another girl.
Kishi isn't this type of mangaka, I garentee you, NaruSaku will be canon, it's just that Kishi has to make us clear how NaruHina and SasuSaku will fall apart.

We expect some explanation for how Sakura will forget Sasuke, how she will realise that she will realise her feelings for Naruto.
Sakura wants to protect Naruto but she always fails, that's why she needs to understand what Yamato meant by "what's important is your feelings for Naruto".


When she will understand that (and I think Sai will play a part in that too) NaruSaku will be canon. But first we need some explanation about her feelings for Sasuke.

yes it was a plan but her feelings for Naruto are real!!

but what she said about sasuke is not she does love him.

Kishi even said the confession was real ''I felt depicted a honest girl with a surprisly determined impression''

and Sakura defended her feelings in that fight with Naruto as well.

so its real. eveything else i agree with

[Sojobo]

yes it was a plan but her feelings for Naruto are real!!
Kishi even said the confession was real ''I felt depicted a honest girl with a surprisly determined impression''

I don't know where you read that?

but what she said about sasuke is not she does love him.

She loves him, even Sai and Kishi confirmed it...
In my point of view I think she loves both like Wako did in Star Driver. The difference is that Sakura loves one more than anohter, I think she has some special feelings for Naruto.
Sasuke was her first love, she admired him like the Databook said, she loved him because of his talent, he was strong, cool and sexy. But that's not real love, this isn't mature at all.
That's why I think that her feelings for Naruto are different, she knows that he is clumsy, that he hasn't talent at all, that he isn't smart, etc...but he give her strenght, hope and she's feeling good when she is with him, she seemed more happy to me with Naruto than with Sasuke. She's more herself than when she's with the Uchiha.

What she said in her confession is true, the part when she says that Naruto gives her hope, etc...but the part where she says "I love you and I don't care about Sasuke" is false. And that's when she said that that Naruto didn't believe in her confession anymore. He seemed so happy in the beginning, but it's when she said that she didn't car efor Sasuke that he suspected her.

Sakura can't tell her feelings for Naruto because:

-She's in love with Sasuke
-She can't realise her feelings for Naruto, she doesn't know what he means to her

I will repeated again, but I think that Sai will have a big part in this, he's the only one that is really interested in Sakura's and Naruto's feeling.

eveything else i agree with

Edit:
Nothing new in the new chapter (just read the script on mangahelpers)