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[Akashi]

I think it would look a lot better if he gains a powerup without someone dieing. We already got that whole stuff with neji. Minato could also just give him the second half of the kyuubi chakra, problem solved. No need of someone dieing there.

 

it would feel out of place for me if the death of a main character was required just to give naruto a powerup.

Well Minato needs the other half of Kurama's chakra to fight efficiently. He'll probably do it after Madara is defeated... hard to tell at this point.

You know Kishi and his love for parallels is as big as for asspulls. I won't be surprised if he decides to kill an important character. (it's not like I want him to)

[Atheck]

Im not sure if something like going angry is a way for someone to trigger the power of the sage.  As far as i know , the only way to become the next sage is to have all 9 bijuus sealed.

 

Tobi has made numerous suggestive comments in the past about the existence of a list of qualifications that a person must meet before they can be branded as the successor of the Sage of the Six Paths. I'll attempt to list out the assumed "paths" below. 

 

Six Paths of the Sage

 

1. Life essence and bodily vitality of the Younger Son 

2. Potent chakra and spiritual energy of the Older Son

3. Rinnegan 

4. Jinchuuriki of the Jubi

5. Mastery over Yin-Yang Release

6. ? 

 

These so called "paths" are mostly theoretical in nature but they would coincide with Madara implanting Hashirama's DNA into his body, attaining the Rinnegan, and wanting to become the Jubi's vessel. I can't really think of anything that would be considered a sixth path apart from being the reincarnation of the sage himself which there are allusions to Naruto having become. 

 

I'm not  saying that Naruto will become the next sage.. he just needs a way to power-up. And if you recall at a times when Sakura was in danger he was getting stronger and stronger: like the fight with Gaara.

 

Why not have him combine Sage Mode and KM together? Naruto has already proven that he can maintain both states simultaneously when he confronted Nagato.

 

 

It would be the culmination of all his training throughout the manga. Granted, having to properly balance four different energy sources at once does sound like a trial but when has Naruto ever faltered in his quest to become stronger? He perseveres until success is his. 

Edited by Atheck, 02 July 2013 - 03:01 PM.

[PhenixElite]

Well Minato needs the other half of Kurama's chakra to fight efficiently. He'll probably do it after Madara is defeated... hard to tell at this point.
You know Kishi and his love for parallels is as big as for asspulls. I won't be surprised if he decides to kill an important character. (it's not like I want him to)

Kishi could actually kill who he wants to, but i still dont see a reason for sakura to be the one. It would be much more usefull for naruto to die and get revived again.

[StriderC]

Kishi could actually kill who he wants to, but i still dont see a reason for sakura to be the one. It would be much more usefull for naruto to die and get revived again.

Agreed. I'd personally love to see how Sakura would handle such an event. It's likely that then and there, she'd really show her feelings and regret not having the chance to express those feelings to him? How her life would be without him and all that jazz. 

[Akashi]

 

Tobi has made numerous suggestive comments in the past about the existence of a list of qualifications that a person must meet before they can be branded as the successor of the Sage of the Six Paths. I'll attempt to list out the assumed "paths" below. 

 

Six Paths of the Sage

 

1. Life essence and bodily vitality of the Younger Son 

2. Potent chakra and spiritual energy of the Older Son

3. Rinnegan 

4. Jinchuuriki of the Jubi

5. Mastery over Yin-Yang Release

6. ? 

 

These so called "paths" are mostly theoretical in nature but they would coincide with Madara implanting Hashirama's DNA into his body, attaining the Rinnegan, and wanting to become the Jubi's vessel. I can't really think of anything that would be considered a sixth path apart from being the reincarnation of the sage himself which there are allusions to Naruto having become. 

 

 

Why not have him combine Sage Mode and KM together? Naruto has already proven that he can maintain both states simultaneously when he confronted Nagato.

 

 

It would be the culmination of all his training throughout the manga. Granted, having to properly balance four different energy sources at once does sound like a trial but when has Naruto ever faltered in his quest to become stronger? He perseveres until success is his. 

That's an interesting theory... Anyhow, I just want Kishi to come up with something original and no more asspulling.

Kishi could actually kill who he wants to, but i still dont see a reason for sakura to be the one. It would be much more usefull for naruto to die and get revived again.

It's been clear since 485 that Naruto might die.. I'm curious if Kishi plans on killing other main characters.

[T XD]

Naruto or Sakura dying both have their advances to the plot.

 

Naruto may show his feelings again for her, another parallel between Obito and Naruto and possibly one for Sakura and Rin, and possibly some other things.

 

Sakura will show her emotions towards Naruto and this one is going to have epic scenes of her feelings for Naruto similar to the bridge event, parallels of OR to NS, and possibly other things also.

 

I think that if any important character might die and will be revived, it will probably be Naruto. If it doesn't happen in this battle, it's possible to happen in the final battle. We need to see the characters reacting to the loss of Naruto especially the main ones.

Edited by T XD, 02 July 2013 - 03:36 PM.

[Inferno180]

Again I too find naruto getting a rinnegan strange but it would just be due to the things said throughout the series, jiriaya mentioned how the sage first appeared in a time of endless war and great disaster. Minato told Kushina the prophecy too that there would be a cause of great upheaval and a man would threaten the world. At the time minato was referring to the 9 tails attack on The leaf and obito was said to be the harbinger of doom. Well as it turns out, naruto is obviously the savior, even being thought as similar to the sage by kurama himself who is hundreds of years old. Even ay knew about the prophecy but dissmissed it because he was told minato was the savior. Well now in the ten tails fight, there is already great upheaval with all the damage the ten tails is pulling, obito filled his role as the harbringer of doom, and that doom is Madara with the ten tails. Also going back to the toad sages prediction, that naruto would face a man with power in his eyes, it may come to being Madara himself. As for the rinnegan, this all falls back to one thing I remember jiriaya saying according to the prophecy, the rinnegan would appear in a time of great crisis and reveal the savior, yet he thought this applied to Nagato when he saw the rinnegan which really belonged to Madara. Going back to chapter 629, the way the jubbi looked at naruto is a clue for something but then again naruto could always go back to the other plan of pulling all the tailed beasts out of the ten tails as kurama guess said he knew how to do it.

Just with obito about to cast rinne tensei, well that jutsu will be used up, so no revives, no bringing the other dead guys back not even neji. This drops the sakura temporary death for a lot of reasons though, we thought it would be obitos redemption to mess up Madara entirely and give naruto the chance he and rin never had. Well sakura is needed for the future Sasuke stuff so so point in killing her. Tsunade is alive, there was a lot of ways in which she could have died and opened more for the story but now she is fine, she may still die due to the fight for hokage but even then, would she step down after all this? Will something happen otherwise to make tsunade unfit for it? I don't see any reason for sakura to die and it looks kinda bad on her part for her mentor needing to somehow know Chios ones own life reincarnation jutsu to bring sakura back, there is no point to a sakura temporary death. Naruto and Sasuke are going to remain alive till the end of the story too, they arnt gng to die. The whole purpose of dying is the notion that they could, but they won't, they otherwise have the power to match each other and cause enough of a stalemate by power alone which could kill them both but it's the different reasons for becoming hokage that will be their drives to settle things and more or less finally let naruto win over Sasuke.

Still naruto with rinnegan would look silky and be awkward yet it's also possible due to the prophecy. Maybe it could be a short term thing too, who knows? There will be some trigger but for the allaince to beat the ten tails even when it enters the final form, it will do something even if Madara becomes the jinchurki, he would need time to activate the infinite tyskiomi. But if kurama can basically reverse the process of the jubbi forming, by freeing the other 7, then the final form can theoretically be defeated like this too. The individual beings of the tailed beasts may resurface withi the ten tails and manifest or something to break it down and fight it from within, that can happen too.

But as the story has become, there is no reason or situation for a temporary sakura death and obviously naruto and Sasuke won't die at the end either. The end story is naruto accomplishing his goals in full.

[ALESSE]

I see it more likely for naruto to die and get revived again at the moment. I dont see anything usefull in sakuras death and revive for the story right now. Narutos death at least would be a moment where sakuras shows her true feelings for him, and this would take the plot further.
 
OVA 2011.

Spot on. Death is used as a developmental plot device. Tsunade or even Kakashi dying won't have that big of an impact on the story. I mean the only one I see dying temporarily is like u said Naruto. If we look back, every story has that one period during the story where the main character "dies".

[bthug]

1) I absolutely do not want Naruto to gain the Rinnegan. It's just not him, he's  the ungifted kid who's worked for everything, so thats just wrong IMO. Though I understand why ppl think Naruto needs it to become the sage of the six paths, I don't believe Naruto will become the Sage per say, rather the next/or new Sage with the similar ideals. 

 

2) I dont believe Sakura will die nor does she have to. We know Naruto loves her, so theirs really no point in having it express it through rage. Seems to much like the pain arc which no matter how angry he got only lead to bad things, only when he calmed down was he able to succeed. Besides like someone aid having her die then be revived, then pull the same card just vice versa during the Naruto/Sasuke fight is just terrible story telling. It will mean much more to NS if Naruto temporally dies and Sakura has her full public epiphany . 

 

3) Also I do not think or want Tsunade to die. Dying just because Sakura has borderline surpassed her is not a good reason nor is dying just because she's that last Saninn alive. I want her to live because she needs/ I want her to see Naruto become Hokage. Thats her goal, its failed to many times and she could give some closing words on Jiriya's behalf as well as say something to Sakura or even Naruto to push NS. But above all shes seen to many Hokage dreams fail so I want her to see this one. Besides she can hold the seat until Naruto is older, Idk if he wants to take the job right after the Sasuke fight. 

[Branden]

1) I absolutely do not want Naruto to gain the Rinnegan. It's just not him, he's  the ungifted kid who's worked for everything, so thats just wrong IMO. Though I understand why ppl think Naruto needs it to become the sage of the six paths, I don't believe Naruto will become the Sage per say, rather the next/or new Sage with the similar ideals. 

 

2) I dont believe Sakura will die nor does she have to. We know Naruto loves her, so theirs really no point in having it express it through rage. Seems to much like the pain arc which no matter how angry he got only lead to bad things, only when he calmed down was he able to succeed. Besides like someone aid having her die then be revived, then pull the same card just vice versa during the Naruto/Sasuke fight is just terrible story telling. It will mean much more to NS if Naruto temporally dies and Sakura has her full public epiphany . 

 

3) Also I do not think or want Tsunade to die. Dying just because Sakura has borderline surpassed her is not a good reason nor is dying just because she's that last Saninn alive. I want her to live because she needs/ I want her to see Naruto become Hokage. Thats her goal, its failed to many times and she could give some closing words on Jiriya's behalf as well as say something to Sakura or even Naruto to push NS. But above all shes seen to many Hokage dreams fail so I want her to see this one. Besides she can hold the seat until Naruto is older, Idk if he wants to take the job right after the Sasuke fight. 

he was born with a naturally large chakra supply and immense vitality. not to mention that he has a mythical demon fox with ultimate power that he can just use whenever he wants. sure he worked hard, but let's not forget that he wouldn't be nearly as strong if he was born as a normal civilian.

 

if you want to talk about people who were ungifted and worked for their strength, it's Lee, Tenten, and Sakura. Lee especially...

 

Naruto is the child of prophecy who was destined to be strong, all of that part 1 underdog stuff got thrown out the window by Kishi. Sad, but true. 

[Nefertieh]

I didn't officially say that narusaku is the most popular, I just said that judging by the recent narusaku events in japan, it looks like its popularity is skyrocketing, but popularity or not, that doesnt matter.

 

I never said you said narusaku was the most popular. I was just pointing out that you forgot that these are private events, anybody can set up an "event," but it isn't solid proof you would use in a debate.

 

With all due respect but, nothings ever really accurate, but thats a legitimate source, its the shounen jump source for gods sake, its 100% legitimate-now when I say legitimate I mean its what naruto fans from all over the globe will go for when concerned about character popularity, your statement (which is an opinion and doesnt work, the SJ polls are legitimate, this is nothing to debate about, I mean, its RIGHT there :S) that suggests nothing is accurate, isnt a strong argument in this case, ofcoarse its not gonna be 100% accurate I mean, nothings that accurate its only natural, but whenever shounen jump annoucned the popularity since the beginning of the manga.
Peace.

 

It doesn't matter if the source is from WSJ. The problem is not the source. The problem is that it is a poll.

 

Have you heard of the famous 1936 Literary Digest Poll? Reputable, respected newspaper, with the most accurate predictions regarding the elections, somehow managed to get the election results completely wrong in 1936. Alfred Landon, the Republican, lost to Franklin D. Roosevelt

 

Why was it wrong? Selection bias and nonresponse bias. The people who were polled were people who owned telephones, which was very expensive back in the day, and we all know by now that most of the wealthy vote for the Republicans. Secondly, only 24% of the intended 10 million people surveyed actually responded.

 

Similarly, the people selected (well, voted) in these WSJ polls are not an accurate reflection of people who read Naruto. The people who voted in the polls were people who bought the magazines legally, and bothered to fill out a form. Therefore WSJ polls have a selection bias and nonresponse bias, and may or may not represent the true opinion of all the fans in Japan. (Other food for thought would be whether a person was allowed to vote for more than one character, or whether a person could have bought more than one magazine and voted for the same character several times).

 

There is a reason why big companies spend millions of dollars on research -- even if it means paying the participants just for their opinion on the colour of their cereal boxes. A poll is not the epitome of true public opinion research, therefore you can't say my statement "suggests nothing is accurate." I am not suggesting nothing is accurate. I am suggesting this flawed understanding of statistics (by the fandom in general) is flawed.

 

The reason I am telling you this is because I want you to understand the flaws these polls carry, and how easily they can be used by the antis the same way. Take this Crunchyroll poll for example -- Sakura is voted as one of the most annoying characters.

 

In japan thr people that wanted to vote for their favourite characters e.g naruto, sakura, sasuke, kakashi etc, they voted, and the ones that didnt bother to get off their butts and vote quite frankly didnt care. So your argument saying that the SJ polls dont matter just got debunked. And about sakura, I dunno what your trying to say, whether sakura is popular in japan, or whether her votes arent legitimate, man I have no idea. But from the information we know from the official SJ sakura is number 6, and not only that, but sakura is loved in japan and the most popular female character in naruto, go figure.

Dont agree, agree to disagree.

Peace.

 

Unless the poll was conducted by randomly selecting a >10% of the population of Japan, the "votes" you counted don't accurately reflect the Japanese fandom at all. Therefore my argument is not debunked.

 

I am saying that based on flawed polls, if we assume is correct, can just as easily indicate that Sakura's popularity was a result of the fact that she was in the manga for the first few polls, ie she had a head start, while Hinata had the disadvantage of not being in the manga. I may not be a Hinata fan, but I guarantee that if you throw that argument into a pairing debate with other people, someone will point this out.

 

I apologize if this may seem to be very forthcoming, but I'm not pointing out a difference of opinion we have. I'm pointing out that the truth is, these poll results we have is neither statistically valid or reliable.

Edited by Nefertieh, 03 July 2013 - 11:17 AM.

[Gravenimage]

In order for Obi/Rin to be a complete parallel of NS Rin must have feelings for Obito too. I'm going to stick with my theory that she realized her feelings for him shortly after the boulder incident. The part when she was gazing into the stars must be her thinking of her feelings for Obito. I think Sakura knows she loves Naruto but she still hasn't realize how much she loves him because what's preventing her are the small remains of her feelings for Sasuke. If Naruto experiences a life and death situation it will be the last straw to break away any feelings she has for him and truly embrace what she feels for Naruto just like Rin, only difference he won't die. This could be where Kishi is heading otherwise what will be the point of him keep bringing Obito's feelings for Rin at this point of the manga?

[Chatte]

In order for Obi/Rin to be a complete parallel of NS Rin must have feelings for Obito too. I'm going to stick with my theory that she realized her feelings for him shortly after the boulder incident. The part when she was gazing into the stars must be her thinking of her feelings for Obito. I think Sakura knows she loves Naruto but she still hasn't realize how much she loves him because what's preventing her are the small remains of her feelings for Sasuke. If Naruto experiences a life and death situation it will be the last straw to break away any feelings she has for him and truly embrace what she feels for Naruto just like Rin, only difference he won't die. This could be where Kishi is heading otherwise what will be the point of him keep bringing Obito's feelings for Rin at this point of the manga?

I subscribe to this, especially the bolded part!

[Inferno180]

I subscribe to this, especially the bolded part!

Just due to the recent chapter, with the way minato asked obito if he liked rin, that was definitely reminiscent of 457 when sai asks naruto if he likes sakura and if he told her how he feels. Seriously I could respect some theories those who opposed or disagreed with ns said that the whole early interactions and replicating panels (such as the saves, the hug, etc) were just easy for Kishi and his team to reuse in these sequences and basically they all said it was just to make drawing the scenes easier to base it off of after naruto and sakura, yet with this too, a flashback of the guy and a girl he likes and another asking about if they like the girl, just what are we going to expect by now? Kishi again just needed to use something from narusaku interaction to make this occur? I find that hard to believe now with stuff like this.

Just wait until naruto can confess to sakura, that would be the point of all this. It's funny, we don't need any moments for a while after what 631 did and we just get another parallel, seriously one or two times for a parallel is not much To go on, but the fact that this is how many times? I've lost count, Kishi is doing this on purpose, 631 was sakura-Kushina, then we got a new three way deadlock I which hiruzen made the team 7- Sannin parallel again, and we now we have a moment of team minato with obito and his love for rin, just shockingly like 457 of naruto to sakura, this is no accident this is on purpose.

Edited by Inferno180, 03 July 2013 - 01:00 PM.

[arian_rad]

In order for Obi/Rin to be a complete parallel of NS Rin must have feelings for Obito too. I'm going to stick with my theory that she realized her feelings for him shortly after the boulder incident. The part when she was gazing into the stars must be her thinking of her feelings for Obito. I think Sakura knows she loves Naruto but she still hasn't realize how much she loves him because what's preventing her are the small remains of her feelings for Sasuke. If Naruto experiences a life and death situation it will be the last straw to break away any feelings she has for him and truly embrace what she feels for Naruto just like Rin, only difference he won't die. This could be where Kishi is heading otherwise what will be the point of him keep bringing Obito's feelings for Rin at this point of the manga?

I'm not sure that run truly had romantic feelings towards obito while she might have been thinking about obito's romantic feelings towards her. The differance with these parallels is that Naruto lived! And sasuke left! So naruto got to have the interaction with sakura that obito never got. The bond they built is now unreal and can't be compared to that of rin and obito's. Rin was just like sakura back in part 1 and never got to have a part 2 like Sakura had. She didnt get to mature and realize the differance between obito and kakashi and what true love really is. However Naruto got the chance to be with Sakura and change her. This is the biggest factor here and shows how the narusaku can succeed where obirin failed alongside obito never getting to confess.

[bthug]

he was born with a naturally large chakra supply and immense vitality. not to mention that he has a mythical demon fox with ultimate power that he can just use whenever he wants. sure he worked hard, but let's not forget that he wouldn't be nearly as strong if he was born as a normal civilian.

 

if you want to talk about people who were ungifted and worked for their strength, it's Lee, Tenten, and Sakura. Lee especially...

 

Naruto is the child of prophecy who was destined to be strong, all of that part 1 underdog stuff got thrown out the window by Kishi. Sad, but true. 

IMO having the 9 tails set him back, he's the one that had to embrace it and learn to use it. 

 

Thats why Lee is one of my favorite characters, actually second right behind Naruto. :)

 

Well he's one part of the child of prophecy and it said he would bring peace, not necessarily be super strong. But I see where your coming from and ur right, he has received some upgrades through his, but most of his skills he worked for; Shadow clone, Rasengan, Wind Nature, Wind Rasen, Sage, BM/KM...

[rikakim94]

Since the topic has to do with rin obito relationship theres a small debate going on one of the fellow ns fan.

 

http://chatte-georgi...giana-rieriebee

 

http://kaylathebookt...giana-rieriebee

 

its a friendly one however there is one  thing that bother me about the conversation.

 

is the second link what the person said at the bottom.

 

Again the whole moving on argument is a misconception when a person is moving away from you it dosen't always mean its them moving on to another love interest. In naruto case he didn't move on from sakura just because of that panel in the summit arc. Especially in the current chapters naruto still shows feelings for sakura he smiles at her in a way and he replied to wards the girlfriend comment. 

 

what do you guys think?

[sushi.]

Parallels are not pairing moments, they're hints and foreshadowing to future moments.

 

I think that's the way Kishi thinks of it.

Since the topic has to do with rin obito relationship theres a small debate going on one of the fellow ns fan.

 

http://chatte-georgi...giana-rieriebee

 

http://kaylathebookt...giana-rieriebee

 

its a friendly one however there is one  thing that bother me about the conversation.

 

is the second link what the person said at the bottom.

 

Again the whole moving on argument is a misconception when a person is moving away from you it dosen't always mean its them moving on to another love interest. In naruto case he didn't move on from sakura just because of that panel in the summit arc. Especially in the current chapters naruto still shows feelings for sakura he smiles at her in a way and he replied to wards the girlfriend comment. 

 

what do you guys think?

I don't think you need to move on to another person even if you let go of another, but I think this is the case in most Naruto love triangles.

 

Even if Rin didn't love Obito, the point of Chatte's post wasn't Rin > Obito, but the other way around. Obito's feelings for Rin(as a child) and Naruto's feelings for Sakura are similar.

Edited by sushi., 03 July 2013 - 02:12 PM.

[megi]

It is possible that Rin's feelings for Obito were like Sakura's for Naruto. They both confessed to someone they liked in a moment of weakness (Kakashi, Sasuke). Yet they find their strengths in someone else

[rikakim94]

It is possible that Rin's feelings for Obito were like Sakura's for Naruto. They both confessed to someone they liked in a moment of weakness (Kakashi, Sasuke). Yet they find their strengths in someone else

 

This can be the case in the upcoming chapters for sakura....