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[TouKen4Life3g]

I have a question for you guys. If you were a SasuSaku fan or NaruHina fan, would you be able to admit that NaruSaku is the pairing that is most likely to happen, or do you think you would deny it?

I will admit that NaruSaku is the pairing that is most likely to happen. I can't speak for every SasuSaku fan or NaruHina fan, but I would probably reread the manga to make me realize where I went wrong. I would admit defeat. If the story presented well for NaruSaku, I won't be disappointed in the manga, just my pairing didn't happen.

[merryGOflava]

I have a question for you guys. If you were a SasuSaku fan or NaruHina fan, would you be able to admit that NaruSaku is the pairing that is most likely to happen, or do you think you would deny it?

i dont think so......i would probably deny it XD....

cause when makkora happened i still wanted borra and still think they have a chance XDD.......

[Branden]

So for everyone who has seen all the development between SasuKarin can you give your verdict on weather or not you think it'll be canon. For me it seems more likely to happen then not so I'd say yes.

As for everyone else a simple yes or no and preferably no maybes. Also the movie thread is back up <3

[MangaReader]

I have a question for you guys. If you were a SasuSaku fan or NaruHina fan, would you be able to admit that NaruSaku is the pairing that is most likely to happen, or do you think you would deny it?

It's hard to say... never really found the appeal in either of the pairings. I'm a little bias now with NaruSaku, so I'd probably stick to my guns if I was a NaruHina and SasuSaku fan. But since I'm not, I don't have to worry about it

[TouKen4Life3g]

So for everyone who has seen all the development between SasuKarin can you give your verdict on weather or not you think it'll be canon. For me it seems more likely to happen then not so I'd say yes.

As for everyone else a simple yes or no and preferably no maybes. Also the movie thread is back up <3

After reading the post from SK forum, I must say, I can see it happening. I am not 100% sold on it, because I have to wait for the chapter when she returns first. I can see happening more than Sakura to be honest. As how sad it is, Sasuke and Karin seems to have more chapters than Sasuke and Sakura, let alone they're not harmful. When you look at part 1, SasuSaku didn't progress anywhere, just pain and sadness on Sakura. Sure, Sasuke was becoming friendly, but as a team, not for one person. For Naruto, it's individual. That's a big difference.

SasuKarin can happen, because there's actually support behind it. For SasuSaku, there's no support behind it besides Sakura's feelings, but that will soon change. Karin, right now, has support: being a member of Team Taka, being an Uzumaki, returning to Sasuke for a drama piece (revenge or forgiveness). Last part can apply to Sakura, but the fact that Sasuke has Team Taka, it would seem that's where Sasuke will be with in the end. Besides, Sakura is more supportive for Naruto. Also, Sakura knows more of Naruto than of Sasuke. Karin witness him from FoD, knows his revenge desire, witness him crying for his brother's truth, and pretty much knows him for 2.5-3 years. More you can say for Sakura. Sakura may know him for a while, but only react as a fangirl, not a girl who is interested to know. Plus, we don't know what Karin did to Sasuke long time ago. There's more backup on Karin than Sakura. Really, the only part Sakura has for Sasuke is being a team 7. Karin got more to it. Time will tell.

[Transformers03]

I have a question for you guys. If you were a SasuSaku fan or NaruHina fan, would you be able to admit that NaruSaku is the pairing that is most likely to happen, or do you think you would deny it?

When I thought Narusaku may not happen, which was during the recent war arc, I was extremely upset and panicked. I tried not to lie to myself about the whole thing, so if I suddenly feel like it will end in a different direction other than Narusaku, then it is probably going to that direction. So I wasn't in denial, but I was ticked off though. That's probably how I would feel if I was Naruhina or Sasusaku fan, and start to think that the series will not end in my pairings favor; ticked off and will feel uncomfortable, but I wouldn't be in denial.

Lucky for me, when I started doubting that Narusaku will happen, I read some of the early chapters from the manga. Right away, especially after reading the bench scene, that I realized that Narusaku is still the mostly likely to happen. But at the time, I still felt like it was equal game for all the pairings. Now, I feel like the other pairings are ridiculous, there shouldn't really be a debate (and if there should be, we should be the ones that are winning it (yet Naruhina is still more popular than us in the U.S.)), and that most things are in our favor.

Then again, if I was a Naruhina or Sasusaku fan, I might say the same thing, but instead I may say Narusaku is a ridiculous pairing and most things are against that pairing's favor. Maybe we are all in denial right now, about Narusaku having the best chance of happening. Hmmm

[Branden]

After reading the post from SK forum, I must say, I can see it happening. I am not 100% sold on it, because I have to wait for the chapter when she returns first. I can see happening more than Sakura to be honest. As how sad it is, Sasuke and Karin seems to have more chapters than Sasuke and Sakura, let alone they're not harmful. When you look at part 1, SasuSaku didn't progress anywhere, just pain and sadness on Sakura. Sure, Sasuke was becoming friendly, but as a team, not for one person. For Naruto, it's individual. That's a big difference.

SasuKarin can happen, because there's actually support behind it. For SasuSaku, there's no support behind it besides Sakura's feelings, but that will soon change. Karin, right now, has support: being a member of Team Taka, being an Uzumaki, returning to Sasuke for a drama piece (revenge or forgiveness). Last part can apply to Sakura, but the fact that Sasuke has Team Taka, it would seem that's where Sasuke will be with in the end. Besides, Sakura is more supportive for Naruto. Also, Sakura knows more of Naruto than of Sasuke. Karin witness him from FoD, knows his revenge desire, witness him crying for his brother's truth, and pretty much knows him for 2.5-3 years. More you can say for Sakura. Sakura may know him for a while, but only react as a fangirl, not a girl who is interested to know. Plus, we don't know what Karin did to Sasuke long time ago. There's more backup on Karin than Sakura. Really, the only part Sakura has for Sasuke is being a team 7. Karin got more to it. Time will tell.

That's a nice post but I didn't want a "maybe" or a "likely" or a "possibly", but rather I wanted a simple yes or no. Like I said I think it's more likely to happen then not so yes, I think it'll be canon.

[TouKen4Life3g]

That's a nice post but I didn't want a "maybe" or a "likely" or a "possibly", but rather I wanted a simple yes or no. Like I said I think it's more likely to happen then not so yes, I think it'll be canon.

Oh, then yes. For now.

[ramenanmitsu]

I agree that showing gratitude is big for Sasuke; he did show it to someone else in the manga, though. Karin. "You saved me, Karin." (415)

I forgot that. That's true.

That's true; but when did Karin ever need his comfort~?
Moreover, part of the reason why Sakura was feeling down was because Sasuke, himself, was a jerk to her. "If you have time to bother me, go train" + "Frankly, your abilities are below Naruto's". He never responded in such a way to Karin. (As a matter of fact, he chided Suigetsu for annoying her; and in contrast, does not tell Karin a thing when she is the one to lash out at Suigetsu. Plus it goes without saying that he is never one to doubt or downplay her abilities.)

He didn't because Karin was already useful to him. But useful doesn't equal to caring.
If Sasuke didn't care, why would he go through all the trouble telling her to train? Or even trying to comfort her? Like I said, he was acting like a friend or a teammate. Caring for that person doesn't mean you can't point out the flaws the person obviously has.

So instead, what he gives to Karin is his acknowledgement - and that's pretty big for Sasuke, too; to consider someone essential and outright admit it to their face. Even Tobi himself says that Karin is Sasuke's "favorite"; granted, it is referring to the fact that out of Taka, she is the one Sasuke needs. But I feel it does illustrate quite well to just what extent Sasuke has acknowledged Karin.

Needs because she is useful. I have yet to see a panel where he thinks he needs her as a teammate more than he did for Naruto and Sakura.

After reading the post from SK forum, I must say, I can see it happening. I am not 100% sold on it, because I have to wait for the chapter when she returns first. I can see happening more than Sakura to be honest. As how sad it is, Sasuke and Karin seems to have more chapters than Sasuke and Sakura, let alone they're not harmful.

I will debate with you as anti-SasuKarin, (because god knows how much I just loathe that couple).

Do you have the exact how many chapters Sasuke and Karin has? Are you counting with the manga panels, because to me it doesn't look like Sasuke and Karin has more chapters than Sasuke and Sakura.

When you look at part 1, SasuSaku didn't progress anywhere, just pain and sadness on Sakura. Sure, Sasuke was becoming friendly, but as a team, not for one person. For Naruto, it's individual. That's a big difference.

The same can be said for Karin.

SasuKarin can happen, because there's actually support behind it.

I just don't see this.

For SasuSaku, there's no support behind it besides Sakura's feelings, but that will soon change. Karin, right now, has support: being a member of Team Taka, being an Uzumaki, returning to Sasuke for a drama piece (revenge or forgiveness).

How does being an Uzumaki support SasuKarin?
And the same can be said for Team Taka. How can Team Taka support SasuKarin? The last I know is that Sasuke disposed Team Taka when they were not useful anymore.

Last part can apply to Sakura, but the fact that Sasuke has Team Taka, it would seem that's where Sasuke will be with in the end.

As I said, Sasuke disposed Team Taka like trash. Where does the idea of Sasuke being with Team Taka in the end come from? Considering that this manga is focused on Naruto's bond with Sasuke, and team 7, I feel it contradicts with the manga if Sasuke ends up with Team Taka.

Besides, Sakura is more supportive for Naruto. Also, Sakura knows more of Naruto than of Sasuke.

This I agree. But I don't know how this will support SasuKarin. NaruSaku happening will not immediately make Sasuke fall in love with Karin.

Karin witness him from FoD, knows his revenge desire, witness him crying for his brother's truth, and pretty much knows him for 2.5-3 years. More you can say for Sakura. Sakura may know him for a while, but only react as a fangirl, not a girl who is interested to know.

Sakura knows his desire of revenge too. And Karin has known him when he was dark. Sakura knows him before he went dark. It's just who knows which part of Sasuke. And no, she said she went to Tsunade's private library to search and found out about Uchiha massacre, Uchiha Itachi and Akatsuki. I don't think that's "reacting like a fangirl" to know about him.

Plus, we don't know what Karin did to Sasuke long time ago. There's more backup on Karin than Sakura. Really, the only part Sakura has for Sasuke is being a team 7. Karin got more to it. Time will tell.

You mean when Suigetsu said to Karin, "I know before you were....Sasuke"
I think what he meant to say was, "I know before you were in love with Sasuke" or "I know before you were saved by Sasuke" as shown in Karin's flashback.
But I don't have proof, so I cannot say. But honestly, what Suigetsu implied Karin might have done to Sasuke a long time ago cannot be used as proof. Like what could she possibly do long ago, that will support SasuKarin?

I'm using SasuSaku to compare with SasuKarin because these two pairs are as good as the other. In other words, they are both very unlikely in my opinion.

Edited by ramenanmitsu, 12 August 2012 - 07:39 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Well I can't argue with you since I don't know that much nor I'm a fan of the pairing. I just see it more possibility than SasuSaku. That doesn't mean it will happen, but if Sasuke has to pair with someone, it should be Karin. Alone is an option, of course. Right now, Sasuke is traveling as well as perhaps increase the bond of his team. I'm pretty sure that's what Kishi is doing before the final conflict. Anything can happen. I will bring up this topic again once Karin returns. In the meantime, if he has to pair, it should be her.

[Kanae]

He didn't because Karin was already useful to him. But useful doesn't equal to caring.

I most definitely agree that finding someone useful does not equal to caring, but;

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Sasuke awoke Enton: Kagutsuchi for Karin. He risked not only his, but also Juugo's (and as such Suigetsu's, since he was unconscious and being carried by the latter) in the off-chance that he may be able to do something in the face of the inextinguishable black-flames.

No matter how I see it (and especially when I look at his expression after he thinks her name), that seems to me like a lot of caring.

If Sasuke didn't care, why would he go through all the trouble telling her to train? Or even trying to comfort her? Like I said, he was acting like a friend or a teammate. Caring for that person doesn't mean you can't point out the flaws the person obviously has.

Oh, but I never said that he didn't care about Sakura. At the contrary, I've never denied that he cared and considered her a precious friend.

That doesn't negate that he was a jerk to her, though; with "shut ups", "stay out of my business" and glares that he never used, nor aimed at Karin. The closest thing you can get to Sasuke even glaring at Karin is 465, and his chakra had already became "cold" and "dark" by then. Normal, usual Sasuke though? He never did such a thing.

Needs because she is useful. I have yet to see a panel where he thinks he needs her as a teammate more than he did for Naruto and Sakura.

That's because the circumstances are different; while in Part I he had the chance to "soften up", so to speak, in Part II he isn't only thinking and wanting to kill Itachi and fulfill his revenge - he is actually going after him. Moreover, Part II Sasuke is a Sasuke who has already "severed" bonds and left his important people behind. In other words, he is not a Sasuke who is going to care about bonding with people or acknowledging what they mean to him.

And regardless of that:

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Here you have Sasuke acknowledging what Taka did for him, being moved by them, and pulling an Amaterasu. Moreover: he thinks of them in the same context as Team 7. He is reminded of Team 7 by them; I honestly believe that demonstrated that he had bonds with them that went deeper than the simple "means to an end".

Now, some may say that Sasuke's behavior during the Kage Summit arc shows the opposite; and that's true, which is precisely the point. While he showed that he cared for Taka in the past, now that he has become a "completely different Sasuke" with a chakra that's "dark" and "way cold" (all of those, Karin's words), he does the opposite and leaves Juugo and Suigetsu behind without a single thought; because they have never been the essential part of Team.

And Karin; Karin he outright betrays and sacrifices. But this is important; because if Sasuke simply did not care about Karin, or simply considered her "a tool", Kishi wouldn't have used her as the threshold for the moment Sasuke "plunges into real darkness!" (as showcased by the chapter titles, side-text, and couple of spreads) - because it simply would not have had any emotional value.

No that I am excusing what Sasuke did, though. I am not lol

And pardon me for chiming in like this but:

Sakura knows his desire of revenge too. And Karin has known him when he was dark. Sakura knows him before he went dark. It's just who knows which part of Sasuke.

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Don't let the Sasuke on the left distract you from the Sasuke on the right; Kishi made a point of showing that Karin not only knew Sasuke before he went dark - she literally got a good look at the best side of him. A kind Sasuke who saved her, and did not only that, but smiled at her in a way he has never smiled at anyone else in the manga so far (chibi pre massacre sasuke not withstanding )

So I think Karin did get to know that part of Sasuke, too. Moreover, it's worth keeping in mind that when we saw SK in 348 - they already knew each other. Suigetsu's jab at Karin's feelings in 351 also point to that; so we don't know just for how long they were together during the timeskip.

Karin had no bitemarks during the chuunin exams, which seems to indicate that she joined Oro only after it; and taking into account that the Databook states that she joined Oro for Sasuke, it seems safe to assume Sasuke was already with Oro by the time she joined, after her village burnt down.


I won't touch anything else you mentioned because I feel that, to be honest, we (sk and non sk fans alike) first need to see how SK's encounter goes before truly sitting down and trying to change each other's minds about the matter, haha so for now rather than getting down to the differences between SS and SK, my main point is that he did care about Karin - and that before he started his downspiral into darkness, he was never rude to her on a normal basis.

Sorry for the image-heavy post, I can edit them out and leave them only as links if needed orz

I have a question for you guys. If you were a SasuSaku fan or NaruHina fan, would you be able to admit that NaruSaku is the pairing that is most likely to happen, or do you think you would deny it?

I would probably be like: "ugh, NaruSaku is going to happen, isn't it? Why, Kishi. NH/SS would have been so perfect. ugh." That's how I usually am with pairings I ship but that don't seem to be on the road to canon; so yes, I would admit it haha I would definitely hope to be wrong, though lol

Edited by Kanae, 12 August 2012 - 01:00 PM.

[Branden]

Well I can't argue with you since I don't know that much nor I'm a fan of the pairing. I just see it more possibility than SasuSaku. That doesn't mean it will happen, but if Sasuke has to pair with someone, it should be Karin. Alone is an option, of course. Right now, Sasuke is traveling as well as perhaps increase the bond of his team. I'm pretty sure that's what Kishi is doing before the final conflict. Anything can happen. I will bring up this topic again once Karin returns. In the meantime, if he has to pair, it should be her.

Funny how you say that then immediately start arguing.


@Kanae

PLEASE PUT ALL OF THAT IN A SPOILER!

thanks.

Edited by Branden, 12 August 2012 - 12:41 PM.

[Kanae]

^ Sorry! haha it's been a long while since I last posted, so I wasn't sure on how did spoiler-ing stuff work here but hopefully it's fine now.

Edited by Kanae, 12 August 2012 - 01:05 PM.

[Don-kun]

Well I can't argue with you since I don't know that much nor I'm a fan of the pairing. I just see it more possibility than SasuSaku. That doesn't mean it will happen, but if Sasuke has to pair with someone, it should be Karin. Alone is an option, of course. Right now, Sasuke is traveling as well as perhaps increase the bond of his team. I'm pretty sure that's what Kishi is doing before the final conflict. Anything can happen. I will bring up this topic again once Karin returns. In the meantime, if he has to pair, it should be her.

Lol to the Sasukarin stuff, that thing we say are just double standard and hypocrisy, if Sasuke was nice to Karin, what was he towards Sakura, he was mean to Sakura then compliment her so she could feel better, protect her against Orochimaru, ask her who hurt her in FOD, ready to give his life and asked Naruto to protect her with his life and give her a genuine thank you.

With Karin he was not even close to that, he told her that he needed her and appreciated that she save his life and the reason why he unlocked the reverse Amateratsu was because he remember how much old Team cared for him and saw how Team taka never care about giving their life for him so he when all out for Team Taka.

Why do I like NS more than SS, is because Naruto has being by miles a better person to Sakura, if he did know how to use his word better perhaps he would had Sakura loving him a long time ago we all know how she gets when someone compliments her, but instead for comedy purpose he always ends up saying something silly.

Another reason is because Sasuke was 70% of the times mean or a jerk to Sakura.

And why I despise SasuSaku and SasuKarin was the fact that the two girls really liked him, but he only like and care about the Uchihas, Itachi and Himself proved by his behaviour and the way he betray the others when he doesn't nedd them any more plus try to kill both girls.

So the SasuKarin stuff is just our way of side Shippen a negative pairing and make our arguments look silly and hypocrite, we cannot blame SasuSaku for Sasuke behavior and be ok with SasuKarin because Sasuke was never more supported to Karin than he was about Sakura and both are very negative.

The only thing I can debate about are the two girls' feelings, Sakura will stick by Naruto's side genuinely support him and doesn't like this Sasuke, in the past she mention that she will follow him with his revenge stuff and she never did it the moment she had the chance to escape and go searching for him, she was given the chance to kill for him and she hesitated, she was willing to see him dead instead of Naruto, even if it hurted her Naruto life is more important than Sasuke's life to her, her love wasn't strong enough to kill Sasuke to save him and lastly in the Reasengan v's Chidori exchange we all saw whose name she shouted out.

What I'm trying to say is the way Sakura is concerned about Naruto, believe in him, trust him more than anyone, care about his dreams/desire and will fallow him all the way is what everyone would call real dedication and commitment, others call it love of siblings but since that isn't the case it has to be something she doesn't want to admit or thaught about do to her strong desire for Sasuke's acknowledgment and her undying crush not love for him.

If we mirror Naruto and Sakura you will notice thatr they are both the same, they are both stubborn and wants to be acknowledged by Sasuke and no one else plus the fact that they really care about their friend is what made them so attached to his memory.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Funny how you say that then immediately start arguing.

Lol that's true. I mean I won't argue since I am not SasuKarin fan and can't say if I acknowledge it, but it has a shot. I can't debate it. I do agree that siding with SasuKarin would be hypocricy on our end, but the thing is that Sasuke is getting his team back, so Karin, if she does return, got first dips than Sakura. Sakura is only getting closer to Naruto, while Karin could have a shot to get closer to Sasuke in a different way rather than going all out. I don't know where is Sasuke heading to, but if she catches up and go along with him to find "answers" she will know more Sasuke than any girls out there. Sakura knows a lot more of Naruto than of Sasuke.

Like I said, I would wait until they return, so I can determine the direction. Btw, how did Uzumaki clan got wiped out? Did it say it clearly and thoroughly?

[Don-kun]

@Kanae
If you are a SK fan and not a NS fan first, then I perfectly agree with you plus like you said after Sasuke gave her a smile that he hasn't given any other girl in the Manga, what happen between them between the time skip still remains to be answered, what Sui was implying still remains to be answered and finally why Kishi gave Karin the trade mark of an Uzumaki and ask if her love for Sasuke is eternal that also remains to be answered, we saw Sakura letting go of Sasuke on many occasions lost her faith only to be restored by Naruto, we have nothing to say about Karin's love there isn't any doubt about her feelings and the fact that she join a very bad man to be with Sasuke gives her even more point than Sakura.

The problem is Sasuke no matter how you want to break it down none of these girls should still try to consider a relationship with him. The only point Karin has in her favor is that Sasuke is stick with Team Taka and they prove to him again that they are loyal to him, plus the fact that if Naruto proves again to the ANS doubters that he still loves Sakura, then Sasuke has zero chance with Sakura, because Kishi as the Author will be sure to create a scenario to completely change Sakura's feelings towards Naruto and also shows that Karin feelings sems to stronger than Sakura's feelings toward Sasuke and far, far, far less submissive than Sakura who becomes the worse Sakura in the Manga when she is around him.

So again if you are a SK fan before NS I agree with you otherwise you will be just like those NH side shipper who say that NH is far more positive than NS but gives a free past to SS pairing that is miles more negative than NH and NS.

Edited by NS means logic, 12 August 2012 - 02:55 PM.

[T XD]

Btw, how did Uzumaki clan got wiped out? Did it say it clearly and thoroughly?

it was when naruto met his mother, i don't remember what are the chapters. uzumaki clan wiped out cause of a war, when kushina was in another village ( i think it's the cloud village, not sure) and she survived and went to leaf village and she was young back then. that's pretty much it aside that when she was young ( same age of naruto in part 1), she met minato and all the parallels between them that are same as to what sakura had thought about naruto in the early past which happened the same between kushina and minato...

[Kanae]

@NS means logic: I love both pairings for their own reasons, and rest assured, I love them independently of each other I've been shipping NaruSaku since... 2006, I think? so way, way before Karin came into the picture; it goes beyond saying that I also share the thought that no NS fan has the need to deliberately sideship a pairing to get a character out of the way, since NaruSaku has the strongest base for mutual love in the whole manga lol It does not need any crunches to support itself on or help itself happen, so to speak.

But yeah, by now SasuKarin has become my Naruto OTP, so I guess you could say that I ship them first... though I honestly have a hard time choosing but anyway, I do understand your POV about thinking no girl should pursue a relationship with Sasuke, and I consider it fair enough

LLike I said, I would wait until they return, so I can determine the direction. Btw, how did Uzumaki clan got wiped out? Did it say it clearly and thoroughly?

Not at all and I'm dying to know ;~; all Kushina said was that they were feared for their fuuinjutsu and what no during the war, and so they were attacked and destroyed. But it doesn't even specify what war, or anything; I think Kishi is keeping this deliberately vague because he has more revelations about the Uzumaki clan and its origins. Particularly, its relation to Rikudou and the Elder Son.

Edited by Kanae, 12 August 2012 - 03:15 PM.

[4000TMNT]

What happens if both NaruSaku & SasuKarin becomes canon and Hinata gets nobody.

[HalfStarStudios]

What happens if both NaruSaku & SasuKarin becomes canon and Hinata gets nobody.

She still has Neji. xD