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#33501 Alessa

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Posted 25 September 2014 - 01:33 PM

Where did it say that?

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EDIT: I actually went to a couple of forums and saw people celebrating the victory of SS and people DEFENDING that it is not yet totally certain that SS has won. 

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Seriously, is every moment when two people are interacting automatically considered pro-shipping?

Or are SS shippers so used to Sakura and Sasuke interacting on the verge of a tragedy that this is considered positive to them? I mean, if they see negative as postitive, this chapter must have been a hot SS sex for them.


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Posted 25 September 2014 - 02:05 PM

If there's one thing I noticed about people's reaction it's the constancy in Naruto like character development, power ups, etc. There will always be these group of people that complain about something that'll get explained later.

Remember this current volume just started, and we're only on the third chapter. We've still got 7-8 chapters left before it ends. i understand patience is a hard thing to deal with, but that's how life works you just gotta wait. So as far as Sakura's character goes just wait cause we know she's gonna be brought up again in the volume after all she is one of the main characters. Also lets not forget about the 2011 ova cause I get the feeling it'll be coming end fight.

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Posted 25 September 2014 - 02:06 PM

So guys our believe in NS:

 

NS is still in green light?


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Posted 25 September 2014 - 02:11 PM

Kishimoto has betrayed all the people, who believed in Sakura, her growth, her developments both with Sasuke and Naruto.

That face. That face was the begining of something new. I knew that this was the Sakura we all wanted and waited for.

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I stopped at that page and inhaled loudly as I knew I was going to be rewarded for my belief in Sakura. This had to be the moment she told Sasuke how she can never let him do as he pleases again and how she is not that girl anymore who could forsake her home to be with him. I wanted her to tell Naruto how she believes in him, that he will drag this bastard home.

And then she cried and pleaded with him.

I feel like the author has spat in my face (spitted?).

'If I still have a place in your heart?" ARE YOU F SERIOUS??

Sasuke's answer was so expected I almost felt sick. How he told her that he has never been interested and that she was daydreaming about him.

I wished he would actually strike her. I wished Naruto would have a brighter reaction.

We got nothing.

All fanships can go cry in their pillows now.

At first I thought she was gonna get up and punch Sasuke in the face

 

Haha, yeah, very precise.

She said "if we're together again". Though I agree that she probably meant them as a Team, not as a couple.

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She was talking about her feelings in past tense and the whole theme was to show how both desperate AND stubborn she was. Those were truly SS final words. And I felt that they were lingering in the air for awhile now, but I still hoped that Sakura would do the whole "mind-changing journey" by herself, silently, like in that big page where we only saw her face changing.

The most frustrating in this whole ugly scene was the "if I still have a place in your heart" part. Because those are not the words of a person, who even mildly understands the pain of another person.
This is the false confession all over again. Sakura just fails to get what her loved ones are going through. And she still believes that LOVE alone can be enough. Not just love, but her love, her love in some kind of vacuum. Just like she came to Naruto and told him "I have feelings for you, so forget everything and enjoy." (I'm exaggerating, sorry)

 

We know that Kishimoto considers "stubborn" to be a good trait, but it felt like his big mistake. He dragged this relationship way too long, so the end of it was naturally very toxic.

 

You know, a former SS shipper in me hurts a lot now. As I became NS sipper, I wanted SS to end, to be resolved. But I never wanted it to end so ugly, one-sided, disgracefull for Sakura's character. Her affections for Sasuke were shallow in the begining of Part 1, desperate in the end of Part 1, strange in the middle of Part 2, unnatural in the War arc and now they ended like a true rock attached to the neck - they sunk a beautiful heroine character. Everything that I saw in this pairing in the begining of my Naruto journey has been treated like crap and left on the side of the road.

 

P.S. Look at Kakashi's face. I think, he expressed it all. First he looked at her with anticipation, then all that was left was to feel pain for her again.

I know that Kishimoto didn't intend to show it as something bad. He put words in Kakshi's mouth to show how Sakura's feelings are just so strong, how she is just so kind and sincere. But it just doesn't work for me.

Kakashi is like smh Sakura why are you doing this? :zaru:

 

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EDIT: I actually went to a couple of forums and saw people celebrating the victory of SS and people DEFENDING that it is not yet totally certain that SS has won. 

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Seriously, is every moment when two people are interacting automatically considered pro-shipping?

Or are SS shippers so used to Sakura and Sasuke interacting on the verge of a tragedy that this is considered positive to them? I mean, if they see negative as postitive, this chapter must have been a hot SS sex for them.

I hope they realize that its not happening

 

So guys our believe in NS:

 

NS is still in green light?

Well if you saw Forneverworld's vid he said that all we have left is NS and NH



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Posted 25 September 2014 - 02:14 PM

So guys our believe in NS:
 
NS is still in green light?

For me, yes. This chapter feels like a buildup to all of them. Not to mention, it almost feels like the buildup since 540 is drawing its conclusion.

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Posted 25 September 2014 - 02:18 PM

How people can honestly ship SS and claim that they care about Sakura is beyond me. The guy literally does nothing but hurt her. I find it funny that people try to defend SS by claiming that he cares about her, shown by him putting her in a genjutsu, but he could have put her in a normal genjutsu and knocked her out. Instead, he decided to show him killing her. He cares nothing about her, and yet they still pander about his "hidden feelings". Good thing Sakura even killed SS by saying that she used to love him and then saying in the next panel that if they go back together, T7 will be friends again, showing even less romantic interest. And then he says again that he doesn't care about her lmao

Christ, Sasuke is such a tool.

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Posted 25 September 2014 - 02:27 PM

How people can honestly ship SS and claim that they care about Sakura is beyond me. The guy literally does nothing but hurt her. I find it funny that people try to defend SS by claiming that he cares about her, shown by him putting her in a genjutsu, but he could have put her in a normal genjutsu and knocked her out. Instead, he decided to show him killing her. He cares nothing about her, and yet they still pander about his "hidden feelings". Good thing Sakura even killed SS by saying that she used to love him and then saying in the next panel that if they go back together, T7 will be friends again, showing even less romantic interest. And then he says again that he doesn't care about her lmao

Christ, Sasuke is such a tool.

Well SS fans will continue to defend their ship no matter what even if they say its not right.



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Posted 25 September 2014 - 02:28 PM

I think it was more Sasuke deciding to show her how he really feels about her and also reiterate that she's not worth his actual time killing her.


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Posted 25 September 2014 - 02:31 PM

In the latest "Berserk" chapter Rickert kittenslapped Grifitth (the kittening god of the new world). And that made my day (nearly ruined by ch. 993). Kishimoto, why couldn't you follow Miura's example? Why?!


 


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Posted 25 September 2014 - 02:40 PM

In the latest "Berserk" chapter Rickert kittenslapped Grifitth (the kittening god of the new world). And that made my day (nearly ruined by ch. 993). Kishimoto, why couldn't you follow Miura's example? Why?!

lol, Kishimoto and Naruto is just a manga in a category by itself, it just follow it's own stuff it ain't like ordinary manga. But I trust Kishi knows what he doing I believe NS will come to pass in the following chapters.

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Posted 25 September 2014 - 02:47 PM

lol, Kishimoto and Naruto is just a manga in a category by itself, it just follow it's own stuff it ain't like ordinary manga. But I trust Kishi knows what he doing I believe NS will come to pass in the following chapters.

That isn't the issue.

 

The issue is that Naruto is Sakura's back-up, because she still would prefer Sasuke.


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Posted 25 September 2014 - 02:50 PM

lol, Kishimoto and Naruto is just a manga in a category by itself, it just follow it's own stuff it ain't like ordinary manga. But I trust Kishi knows what he doing I believe NS will come to pass in the following chapters.

"Berserk" is a seinen and an outstanding manga by itself. Miura's plot is much harsher and not as repetetive as Kishimoto's. He's better at developing his characters as well without idealistic tinsel. That is why I wished Kishimoto were like him in certain aspects.


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Posted 25 September 2014 - 02:52 PM

In the latest "Berserk" chapter Rickert kittenslapped Grifitth (the kittening god of the new world). And that made my day (nearly ruined by ch. 993). Kishimoto, why couldn't you follow Miura's example? Why?!

 

lol, Kishimoto and Naruto is just a manga in a category by itself, it just follow it's own stuff it ain't like ordinary manga. But I trust Kishi knows what he doing I believe NS will come to pass in the following chapters.

I wouldn't say Naruto is so different from other shounens. But Berserk is seinen, it allows kittenslapping, killing friends, orgy and demon-child birth. In shounen you can't even give up on your friend emotionally, because that would ruin the golden romance (in One Piece sense - adventurous romance). Though I'm not very up-to-date. Did Guts give up on Grifitth after he raped his beloved in front of him? Is Guts supposed to bring Grifitth back to the light?


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Posted 25 September 2014 - 02:54 PM

That isn't the issue.
 
The issue is that Naruto is Sakura's back-up, because she still would prefer Sasuke.


That is not the case at all...

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Posted 25 September 2014 - 02:57 PM

 
I wouldn't say Naruto is so different from other shounens. But Berserk is seinen, it allows kittenslapping, killing friends, orgy and demon-child birth. In shounen you can't even give up on your friend emotionally, because that would ruin the golden romance (in One Piece sense - adventurous romance). Though I'm not very up-to-date. Did Guts give up on Grifitth after he raped his beloved in front of him? Is Guts supposed to bring Grifitth back to the light?

I don't believe in giving up on the girl you love or your friends. But what I meant it Kishi takes forever at doing something likes it's the Matrix or something.

&Syn11 what I meant was that Naruto is different I never judged a manga I said Naruto do stuff differently than other manga I read.

@Crow how is that shown when chapter 469 and 470 proves that wrong. Plus this chapter just proves she don't love Sasuke and Naruto was right there to hear it.

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Posted 25 September 2014 - 03:06 PM

 

Feeding somebody can be ambiguous? I'm pretty sure that two adults feeding each other is considered intimate no matter what country your from. Besides despite the supposed "She only loves Sasuke focus" Naruto yells at Sai right after he interrupts Sakura's advances telling him to read the situation. In other words that was him chastising Sai for seeing it as a friendly act. That sequence between Naruto and Sakura was not friendly flirting, that was intimate flirting. Besides, Sakura knows how Naruto feels. She's known it every since the original POAL.

 

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This doesn't apply to fiction. Naruto is at the whim of Kishimoto who is not a ninja who lost his parents to a Nine-tailed Demon Fox. Stick to the manga.

 

 

 

When she said that he shouldn't chase Sasuke bc of her promise, Naruto answered that it wasn't about her promise anymore twice. He doesn't care about the POAL. In part 1 the promise was constantly referenced in flashbacks while he fought Sasuke and later on when she came to him in the hospital before he left with Jiraiya. However in the Land of Iron Arc Naruto rarely even brings it up. He doesn't talk or think about it during his fight with Sasuke, and he denies its impact on him twice. And while I understand your angle with the promise he was released from the promise anyway. He doesn't care about it anymore. "He looks so peaceful, as if a burden has been lifted from his shoulders."

 

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Except that is not what he says. He says that she chose Naruto to try to free him of the POAL and hide the fact that they were going to kill Sasuke because of the pain it would cause him. However Naruto denies both the POAL and her confession. Than Sai steps in,. He explains Sakura's confession not because he thinks that she loves Naruto, but he feels  responsible for guilting Sakura earlier on. And he openly says that Sakura still loves Sasuke and that is why she is trying to kill him. Sakura does all of this bc of Sai Guilting her into it and bc of the pain she believes she is causing Naruto. There's no proof that she loves him and after comparing that confession to her confession to Sasuke and her thoughts and feelings when confronting Sasuke in the Land of Iron I don't think that Sai was insinuating that she loves Naruto.

 

 

But this means nothing bc he has already called her his girlfriend in the past jokingly. It doesn't mean that they are in a relationship or that he may still have feelings for her. And it certainly doesn't mean he's considering a relationship, its not concrete enough. Besides, isn't it kind of immature to reject a girl and then call her your boyfriend. Where's the class?

 

As for the girlfriend comment, look at his face. He hesitated bc he knows that if he says it he's about to get pounded. Notice also that Naruto did not bring up the subject, Minato did.

 

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He had time though, time in between the Land of Iron Arc and the World War Arc to talk to Sakura and he had over 200 chapters to settle the score with Hinata. Besides he was released from the promise after the Land of Iron Arc. That doesn't factor in anymore. Heck, I don't think the POAL has even come up since the Land of Iron Arc.

1)What is ambiguous is everything else. She can act like that, but the she doesn't. She can demonstrate that she cares for Naruto, but then she's crying for Sasuke. Obviously Naruto is insecure.

2) ????????? what??????? I'm trying to explain why someone would think that because it's human nature and you said that i need to stick to manga? I'm doing that???? I not denying anyone's personality, on the contrary i'm using them. It does apply to fiction. 

3)Except that he does, lol.

4)Except that he said that. 

For what he's peaceful is not the promise?????

5) Of course she feels guilty, but that doesn't deny her feelings for him. They are not mutually exclusive.

6) What? He said that she's his girlfriend jokingly in the past, and that doesn't mean they are, i'm not saying the opossite? But it means he likes her. He would never say that about anyone else. And saying sort-fo-his-grilfriend is not the same. He tried to "be precise" since he knows her feelings, and for reasure herself about him still loving her. He thought about what happened before say that. 

Lmao, "he knows blah blah", now you are just trying to see everything as a negative proof. I won't say that Naruto is not kind of an idiot, but it's not the same "being there" and being an expectator. 

7) It's about one week of Sakura's confession. And probably around 6 months of Hinata. And didn't he thank her? The promise is still there, and now you know.


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Posted 25 September 2014 - 03:06 PM

 

I wouldn't say Naruto is so different from other shounens. But Berserk is seinen, it allows kittenslapping, killing friends, orgy and demon-child birth. In shounen you can't even give up on your friend emotionally, because that would ruin the golden romance (in One Piece sense - adventurous romance). Though I'm not very up-to-date. Did Guts give up on Grifitth after he raped his beloved in front of him? Is Guts supposed to bring Grifitth back to the light?

Guts still hates Griffith for everything he did (the latter doesn't care) but at the moment he is more concerned about healing Casca. He had tried to save his friend once and what did he get? Almost everyone dear to Guts brutally killed or deranged, he himself have been crippled and branded like some piece of meat. Who needs a frienship like this? Better of without it.  


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Posted 25 September 2014 - 04:03 PM

WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT!? After all the development we had for this pairing, after all the comparisons being made in favor of this couple, after all of sakura's growth, after all the pain sasuke's caused her, after him trying to kill her and those she loves and knowing he still plans on killing them, after all she has acknowledged about him, she's still in love with him!? She didn't even spare naruto a passing glance! How can this be possible!? What could she possibly still like about this guy, let alone love!? And don't give the kitten about how you don't need a reason in love, because you clearly do!

Is there any hope for NS? If sakura were to continue on like this, would you want her to end up with naruto? I love what she is when she's with naruto, and I hate what she is when she's near sasuke. I don't know how to feel about all this.

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Posted 25 September 2014 - 04:05 PM

WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT!? After all the development we had for this pairing, after all the comparisons being made in favor of this couple, after all of sakura's growth, after all the pain sasuke's caused her, after him trying to kill her and those she loves and knowing he still plans on killing them, after all she has acknowledged about him, she's still in love with him!? She didn't even spare naruto a passing glance! How can this be possible!? What could she possibly still like about this guy, let alone love!? And don't give the bullsh** about how you don't need a reason in love, because you clearly do!
Is there any hope for NS? If sakura were to continue on like this, would you want her to end up with naruto? I love what she is when she's with naruto, and I hate what she is when she's near sasuke. I don't know how to feel about all this.


What do you mean? Sakura said herself that she "loved" him as in past tense. So did Kakashi. The only thing she said was that if he comes back, t7 could be together again like they used to. She didn't ever say that she still loves him...

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Posted 25 September 2014 - 04:08 PM

@syn11
Berserk is a seinen, so expect a mature writing.
Griffith is a villain. Even if he get redemption, it will only happen in the end of manga and he is dead.
It doesn't feel repetitive because it take long hiatus.




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