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[Gravenimage]

just because Hinata was also almost captured by Kumo doesn't make her personality similar to Kushina's, and that's what she was referring to

That's right Kushina was captured because she was Kyuuby jinchurikki Kumo wanted her power. Hinata was captured because they wanted the power of the byakugan what better way to have it then capturing the future heiress of the Hyuga clan Kumo did it to over power Konoha in military power that's all. One thing for sure they didn't captured them to make them look similar with the other.

[ciardha]

Yeah and Hinata's daddy rescued her before the Kumo ninja even got out of the Hyuuga compound. Unless they want to imply something gross involving Hinata and her father it's not a valid comparison at all.

[Super Boom]

That's right Kushina was captured because she was Kyuuby jinchurikki Kumo wanted her power. Hinata was captured because they wanted the power of the byakugan what better way to have it then capturing the future heiress of the Hyuga clan Kumo did it to over power Konoha in military power that's all. One thing for sure they didn't captured them to make them look similar with the other.

Right, though isn't capturing Kushina for power in the same line of reasoning as capturing Hinata for military strength? Or was Kushina captured by a fringe group of Kumo ninja? Sorry, I think your point was lost on me, I'll need to reread that chapter after I get off work.
I agree, though, that Kushina's last words were probably meant as "find someone who is like me" rather than "find someone who was in a sort-of similar situation as me". It's just that it seemed odd to me that, out all the enemy villages Kishi could have had capture Kushina, he picked the same one that kidnapped Hinata during the Hyuuga Affair. But again, I doubt it was really intended to be used from a shipping standpoint, probably just a reflection of the relationship Kumo and Konoha had in the past.

Edited by Boom...Winning, 24 May 2011 - 04:55 PM.

[catsi563]

1.) During Kushina's flashback, I believe she was kidnapped by Kumo ninja. I recalled recently how Hinata was also kidnapped by a Kumo ninja during the "Hyuuga Affair". Does seem like an intended comparison to anyone, or just a coincidence? My guess is the latter, seeing as how Kumo and Konoha seemed to be at odds quite a bit during the past. It's just that I can see NaruHina fans using this comparison with Kushina's last words about finding a woman "like her".

This is incorrect because it presumes a basic context of Kushinas words being that she wants naruto to find either a Jinchuriki (Naruto fuu fans rejoice) or a girl who gets kidnapped all the time (naruto filler girl fans rejoice). Since this is clearly not what the context of Kushinas words is. We must then logically follow the true intent which is that Kushina wants him to find a woman like her, strong, determined, and courageous.

A single kidnapping is a pretty poor basis for a relationship and even more so falls along the same lines as the use of Narutos infamous I like people like you line being used to justify 6 generations of HyuugaUzumaki children.

2.) After Naruto hears that Hinata is alive during the Pain Invasion, he grabs his heart, cries, and says, "Thank God..." The heart grabbing kind of bugged me at first, but I guess it can be tossed up to him just being worried. What did kind of bother me though, was how, when Hinata saw Naruto return to the village, she also says to herself, "Thank God..." I don't know if they use the same the phrase in the original Japanese (thanking God in a Japanese story doesn't really make much sense to me), but if they do, does this comparison seem important to anyone? Or, on a side note, is anyone worried about Naruto putting his hand over his heart and crying, or have most of you reached the same conclusion as me regarding that

Why would we be botherd by a basica display fo humanity in that regard. Give Naruto credit here. He finds out that someone he considers a friend and who he thought was killed in front of him, and then potentialy obliterated in his kyuubi temper tantrum not only was a live and well, but that he also hadnt killed the enitre village in a kyuubi filled rage.

His reaction is understandable, as is Hinatas upon his return. And again this one singular reaction is not enough to base a relationship upon.

Now if you want similar reactions go back through all the chapters and watch Naruto and Sakura react to things. the list is to extensive to go through but suffice it to say that the two constantly mirror each others reactions and emotional states.

3.) This one actually irritates me, but I thought I'd post it anyway. I've heard some SasuSaku fans claim that they're pairing HAS to happen due it being the primary focus of Sakura's character. The claim is that Naruto's dream is become Hokage, Sasuke's dream is to avenge his clan, and Sakura's dream is to marry Sasuke. The whole 'dream talk' when their characters were introduced was important, but I don't really think we can say Sakura's dream is something so shallow. On top of that, I always assumed that her infatuation with Sasuke stopped being the primary focus of ther character during the Sound genin fight and during her fight with Ino, where she says something along the lines of, "I'll fight you, but not over Sasuke-kun". Obviously, she didn't stop crushing over him, but it seems crazy to me to say that being with Sasuke is whole point of her character.

This is again factually inaccurate. Sakuras entire charcter is not Sakuras primary focus. In point of fact supporting naruto by getting stronger and being a better Kunoichi and not a burden has been her primary focus. saving Naruto and Sasuke has also been a strong pair of motivations.

Sakuras character has been about evolving from an averge if unremarkable shinobi to a near legend whispered in the same breath as Tsunade. about becoming someone useful from someone who for all her intelligence and solid skill base was in general not as helpful as she could have been.

She has improved so drasticaly in leaps and bounds that inspite of the godlike powers of her teamates she has actually improved the most. Sasuke and Naruto were always on a whole different level. I call this the Shaq Kobe effect, or the Michael Jorday Scotty Pippin effect.

recall any other teamates of the above mentioned players? No one really does persay. Its not that those players were less competent or useless, but that Jordan Shaq etc were just so good and larger then life like Naruto and Sasuke.

Sakura will make her own niche in this regard and I think Kishimoto Sensei is setting her up for this. Naruto and Sasuke may get the lions share of the praise but Sakura will be the one quietly putting people back together again after the wars said and done, and I think Naruto in the middle of all the cheers for him will remind people of this.

[tricksie]

Most recent- Naruto's mental image of his age peers, Sakura has her full attention on Naruto and is looking at him openly in love with him- similar to how Kushina looked at Minato when he rescued her. He no longer sees her as the Sasuke fangirl, but as she is now, openly in love with Naruto.

http://www.mangaread...hapter-505.html

That little set of images is why I think there will be a nice flashback, summing up all the left out scenes that we didn't get to see at the time they were happening (like the most recent Naruto Sasuke school age one). I can easily see a panel where Naruto is reflecting on Sakura...."Oh, and mom — don't worry about the girl. She's just like you." With a lovely picture of Sakura in the background. Something along those lines.

Yeah, that's such a telling pic. That's Kishimoto the illustrator going beyond translation issues to show what he's really wants us to think about the characters. And how Naruto sees them.

1.) During Kushina's flashback, I believe she was kidnapped by Kumo ninja. I recalled recently how Hinata was also kidnapped by a Kumo ninja during the "Hyuuga Affair". Does seem like an intended comparison to anyone, or just a coincidence? My guess is the latter, seeing as how Kumo and Konoha seemed to be at odds quite a bit during the past. It's just that I can see NaruHina fans using this comparison with Kushina's last words about finding a woman "like her".

2.) After Naruto hears that Hinata is alive during the Pain Invasion, he grabs his heart, cries, and says, "Thank God..." The heart grabbing kind of bugged me at first, but I guess it can be tossed up to him just being worried. What did kind of bother me though, was how, when Hinata saw Naruto return to the village, she also says to herself, "Thank God..." I don't know if they use the same the phrase in the original Japanese (thanking God in a Japanese story doesn't really make much sense to me), but if they do, does this comparison seem important to anyone? Or, on a side note, is anyone worried about Naruto putting his hand over his heart and crying, or have most of you reached the same conclusion as me regarding that?

3.) This one actually irritates me, but I thought I'd post it anyway. I've heard some SasuSaku fans claim that they're pairing HAS to happen due it being the primary focus of Sakura's character. The claim is that Naruto's dream is become Hokage, Sasuke's dream is to avenge his clan, and Sakura's dream is to marry Sasuke. The whole 'dream talk' when their characters were introduced was important, but I don't really think we can say Sakura's dream is something so shallow. On top of that, I always assumed that her infatuation with Sasuke stopped being the primary focus of ther character during the Sound genin fight and during her fight with Ino, where she says something along the lines of, "I'll fight you, but not over Sasuke-kun". Obviously, she didn't stop crushing over him, but it seems crazy to me to say that being with Sasuke is whole point of her character.

That's all I have right now. Again, feel free to ignore this if you'd rather continue the current discussion. I just thought I'd try to add more of a debate to the Debate Thread.

Good thoughts!

First off, I've thought about the Kushina kidnapping/Hinata kidnapping not so much as comparison or coincidence. But rather as a continuing cycle of warfare. If it happened before, it will happen again. So the same problems are happening generation after generation, and having long-reaching effects. So to me, it's parallels the Senju/Uchiha feud — this one is just happening with other clans and involving other countries. If they can't find peace and resolve their issues, then it's doomed to happen again.

Your second point about Hinata and Naruto's words....I agree with another poster, that it could be a very broad thankfulness on Naruto's part. You could look at it that Naruto's thanking God for the village vs. Hinata thanking God for his safety (very passive gratitude, much in keeping with Hinata's character and love of Naruto). And in comparison, you could look at the use of "Thank You" by Sakura to Naruto and Kushina to Minato. Love is not talked about openly in the manga. But what is touched on is recognition of a person's goals/strengths and a deep, deep gratitude for that person. What does Naruto want more than anything? Recognition. And Sakura gives him that in front of everyone, with nothing to gain for herself. And, of course, her actions carry much greater weight in eastern cultures than western, so that adds another level to the significance of the scene.

Lastly, that's such an interesting point about their "dreams." I hadn't thought about it, and I can see how some SSers would cling to it. But my problem is that for Sakura, this was a childhood and childish dream. For Sakura, who is a normal girl in the Naruto world, it would be normal to grow out of those dreams much the same as anyone else growing up. It is also a dream based, in part, on someone else's actions, not solely her own.

Sasuke and Naruto are not normal. They did not have normal childhoods and are shown in maturity to be absolutely unique shinobis in their world. Their dreams are based on their own actions, and do not involve someone else's compliance. So it's easy to rationalize how they've strived for their dreams, while Sakura has shed hers.

[Nate River]

Lastly, that's such an interesting point about their "dreams." I hadn't thought about it, and I can see how some SSers would cling to it. But my problem is that for Sakura, this was a childhood and childish dream. For Sakura, who is a normal girl in the Naruto world, it would be normal to grow out of those dreams much the same as anyone else growing up. It is also a dream based, in part, on someone else's actions, not solely her own.

Sasuke and Naruto are not normal. They did not have normal childhoods and are shown in maturity to be absolutely unique shinobis in their world. Their dreams are based on their own actions, and do not involve someone else's compliance. So it's easy to rationalize how they've strived for their dreams, while Sakura has shed hers.

There are two other issues with that claim. First, is that the SSers skip Step 2: an explanation as to why the consistency in the dreams of the other two demands the same of Sakura. I don't see why it does, which leads to the second issue: Does anyone honestly think that all their dreams remaind unchanged and be fullfilled, especially Sasuke's?

Of the three dreams Naruto's is the only one that is consistently viewed as positive. Her crush is something that held her back. Why say she will fight Ino, but not for Sasuke if that dream/crush is a good thing? Moreover, Sasuke's dream is absolutely portayed in a negative light throughout the series and done so on a pretty consistent basis. It's not at all coincidental that Sasuke changes his plan of action from Konoha before he makes it to Konoha. Sasuke will fight Naruto, he will lose, and he will have his dream beat out of him in the process. Even if he did suceed (which I think the odds are nil that he will) it wouldn't get him what he thinks it will. Sasuke won't fulfill his dream and it won't be everything he thinks it will, so why would something that demand Sakura fulfill her original one?

The argument doesn't hold water.

[bthug]

Well done boom winning for making me scared again, jk nothing will break my faith in Narusaku.

I also am going to play devils advocate, don't you find it strange that hinata's confession is just left out their, I can see something like Naruto eventually going for hinata because he thinks Sakura is in love with someone else (not mentioning any names) and then maybe Sakura might think Naruto is happy with hinata and it will just continue from their....again I'm just playing devils advocate.

Oh and phantom your right they have been through a lot, but I want more obvious struggle, something along the lines of Peter Parker's struggle (Spiderman) to which in the end they realize they need each other more then they thought.

Also I found this sweet Narusaku video on YouTube, you guys should check it out.



I was wondering does anyone know what the first scene is? Hopefully it's canon.

Edited by bthug, 24 May 2011 - 06:53 PM.

[rastaman]

My favorite ending:

I really want to see Naruto's hokage initiation and him kissing Sakura. After a big time skip he should visit Sasuke's grave (with a storm coming up) just outside of Konohagakure, on a hill or sth. and then in the last few panels he should turn around and see Sakura coming towards the grave with a 5 year old boy named Sasuke who asks why she is crying. The dialogue should be like this:
Sakura (reading out inscription): 'Here in this grave lies Uchiha Sasuke, former member of team 7, a hero of Konoha and a dear friend.' (It starts to rain)
Sasuke (looking at the uchiha fan symbol and Konoha symbol on the grave and suddenly starting to cry): Papa, why can't I stop crying? I feel some strange anxiousn...(a thunderbolt hits some rocks right behind the grave)' (<---- allusion to reincarnation and Sasuke's lightning element)
Naruto: 'Son, your namesake was a true shinobi with a will of fire. Whatever hardship you might face, always fight for what you believe in.'

[Quinny52]

Alright, I don't mean to monopolize this debate thread or anything, but lately I feel like the conversation's been going in circles, so I thought I'd use it to debunk some opposing ideas that've been bugging me. If you don't feel like discussing this sort of thing, that's cool, just rollback to the previous conversation.

No worries. I've been feeling the same as well. We haven't had any new to talk about for a while (hopefully, now that Sakura's back in the picture things will get better). It's good to try and make the effort of injecting fresh topics to keep the conversation from going stale.

1.) About this... --Click here to view--

This scene is actually not a coincidence, but neither is it supose to hint towards a pairing. This subject touches on a fact that was brought up during the Kage Summit arc when the meeting was underway. Kumogakure (Cloud Village) has never demilitarised (even during times of peace) and has in fact constantly sought to gain any advantage possible on the other ninja villages. Kushina's and Hinata's kidnapping attempts are only two examples of the lengths they were willing to go to aquire the secret techniques of their rival villages. In short, the reasoning behind the kidnappings was solely political, and wasn't meant to be used as any sort of pairng reference.

2.) Now this... --Click here to view--

This isn't worth any worrying about. The word that both Naruto and Hinata used was 'Yokatta' (良かった), which literally means "was good", but generally is used as an exp​ression of relief (e.g. "Thank God", "Thank goodness", "I'm so glad", etc). The phrase isn't new, it's used very often. There isn't meant to be any connection here. Naruto was just expressing his relief that Hinata was OK, and that he hadn't killed either her or the other villagers in his rage (he knew that he had allowed his anger to consume him, which subsequently led to him transforming), because if he had then he would've never forgiven himself. Hinata was simply expressing her relief that Naruto had returned safely.

3.) I did have something for this... --Click here to view--

...but catsi and tricksie beat me to it!

But they hit it on the head, Sakura's role in this story does not completely revolve around Sasuke (or even Naruto). Sakura's goal is to be as strong as she possibly can, and to not be a burden to her team like she was in her younger years. Yet these people claim that her only purpose in this story, her reason for being created, is to finally be with Sasuke?? No. Such a thing is classified as a 'desire'. A 'want'. Not a 'need'. She does not NEED to be with Sasuke (or anybody else for that matter) to give her existence meaning, that's ludicrous. And Sakura has shown since Sasuke left that she's gotten on fine without him (for the most part). If anything, things perked up for her while he was absent, her character growth (physically and mentally) went up the moment he walked out of Konoha and has continued to do so. The story so far has only shown me that Sakura's affections for Sasuke have done nothing beneficial for her character, they have only limited her. So IMO, I don't get how these people come off by stating comments such as those.

Edited by Quinny52, 24 May 2011 - 07:18 PM.

[ciardha]

Well done boom winning for making me scared again, jk nothing will break my faith in Narusaku.

I also am going to play devils advocate, don't you find it strange that hinata's confession is just left out their,

As is Rock Lee's to Sakura. Kishimoto has deliberately visually paralleled Rock Lee to Sakura and Hinata to Naruto. I find it astonishing that these people that go on and on about Hinata's confession aren't going on and on about Rock Lee's. They played the same role in the plot, and both are long over with, with nothing needed to be said. Hinata got her resolution in 450 when she saw Sakura romantically embrace Naruto in front of the whole village, and she smiled at the sight. Over and done. Kishimoto even showed Hinata is starting to move on in chapter 488....

Edited by ciardha, 24 May 2011 - 11:00 PM.

[Darth Krypt]

As is Rock Lee's to Sakura. Kishimoto has deliberately visually paralleled Rock Lee to Sakura and Hinata to Sakura. I find it astonishing that these people that go on and on about Hinata's confession aren't going on and on about Rock Lee's. They played the same role in the plot, and both are long over with, with nothing needed to be said. Hinata got her resolution in 450 when she saw Sakura romantically embrace Naruto in front of the whole village, and she smiled at the sight. Over and done. Kishimoto even showed Hinata is starting to move on in chapter 488....

The reason being the size of the NaruHina horde compared to LeeSaku.

[Chew]

Don't know what's going on...don't care: I have full faith that the way things are going, we will have our cake and eat it too. -pulls out lawn chair- OM NOM NOM NOM

[catsi563]

As is Rock Lee's to Sakura. Kishimoto has deliberately visually paralleled Rock Lee to Sakura and Hinata to Sakura. I find it astonishing that these people that go on and on about Hinata's confession aren't going on and on about Rock Lee's. They played the same role in the plot, and both are long over with, with nothing needed to be said. Hinata got her resolution in 450 when she saw Sakura romantically embrace Naruto in front of the whole village, and she smiled at the sight. Over and done. Kishimoto even showed Hinata is starting to move on in chapter 488....

And more interesting to readers should be noted this. The difference between Rock Lee's confession and Hinatas is that Lee's was entirely unselfish. He himself put his life on the line for a complete stranger that he practically just met. Hinatas was entriely selfish and was self admitted to be so.

These confessions were enacted as basic storytelling elements as any shonen style storyline. Look at Orihimes confession in Bleach, and Shirleys confession in Code Geass. Both shy girls with crushes on the main character and a desire to be stronger and protect said character. Both characters confessions came to nought and in Shirleys case resulted in her death. Orihimes was not heard by the party in question and nothing has come of it since.

[crazyefra]

I have this:

Because Sakura doesn’t give a kitten about deserving Heaven if she can burn in Hell with him.

Can someone explain to me how this quote is really part of what Sakura really wants in terms of Sasuke, manga wise. Because really you have to be delusional or not a real Sakura fan to want her suffering.

[Phantom_999]

Well done boom winning for making me scared again, jk nothing will break my faith in Narusaku.

I also am going to play devils advocate, don't you find it strange that hinata's confession is just left out their, I can see something like Naruto eventually going for hinata because he thinks Sakura is in love with someone else (not mentioning any names) and then maybe Sakura might think Naruto is happy with hinata and it will just continue from their....again I'm just playing devils advocate.

Oh and phantom your right they have been through a lot, but I want more obvious struggle, something along the lines of Peter Parker's struggle (Spiderman) to which in the end they realize they need each other more then they thought.

Also I found this sweet Narusaku video on YouTube, you guys should check it out.



I was wondering does anyone know what the first scene is? Hopefully it's canon.

Amen buddy, Amen! I mean I would like to see development and maybe some more relationship obstacles and it would be great but then it might migfht focus on that more than need be which will turn it into a love drama which isn't the point of the story(well not completely but some parts)

No worries. I've been feeling the same as well. We haven't had any new to talk about for a while (hopefully, now that Sakura's back in the picture things will get better). It's good to try and make the effort of injecting fresh topics to keep the conversation from going stale.

1.) About this... --Click here to view--

This scene is actually not a coincidence, but neither is it supose to hint towards a pairing. This subject touches on a fact that was brought up during the Kage Summit arc when the meeting was underway. Kumogakure (Cloud Village) has never demilitarised (even during times of peace) and has in fact constantly sought to gain any advantage possible on the other ninja villages. Kushina's and Hinata's kidnapping attempts are only two examples of the lengths they were willing to go to aquire the secret techniques of their rival villages. In short, the reasoning behind the kidnappings was solely political, and wasn't meant to be used as any sort of pairng reference.

2.) Now this... --Click here to view--

This isn't worth any worrying about. The word that both Naruto and Hinata used was 'Yokatta' (良かった), which literally means "was good", but generally is used as an exp​ression of relief (e.g. "Thank God", "Thank goodness", "I'm so glad", etc). The phrase isn't new, it's used very often. There isn't meant to be any connection here. Naruto was just expressing his relief that Hinata was OK, and that he hadn't killed either her or the other villagers in his rage (he knew that he had allowed his anger to consume him, which subsequently led to him transforming), because if he had then he would've never forgiven himself. Hinata was simply expressing her relief that Naruto had returned safely.

3.) I did have something for this... --Click here to view--

...but catsi and tricksie beat me to it!

But they hit it on the head, Sakura's role in this story does not completely revolve around Sasuke (or even Naruto). Sakura's goal is to be as strong as she possibly can, and to not be a burden to her team like she was in her younger years. Yet these people claim that her only purpose in this story, her reason for being created, is to finally be with Sasuke?? No. Such a thing is classified as a 'desire'. A 'want'. Not a 'need'. She does not NEED to be with Sasuke (or anybody else for that matter) to give her existence meaning, that's ludicrous. And Sakura has shown since Sasuke left that she's gotten on fine without him (for the most part). If anything, things perked up for her while he was absent, her character growth (physically and mentally) went up the moment he walked out of Konoha and has continued to do so. The story so far has only shown me that Sakura's affections for Sasuke have done nothing beneficial for her character, they have only limited her. So IMO, I don't get how these people come off by stating comments such as those.

Well said Quinny but that last comment might make us NS fans cry our eyes out Cause I mean Yeah I want Sakura to be a strong independent individual and Its definitely the most significant part of her development but if she doesn't end up with a husband(Naruto ) we'll all be sad

Edited by Phantom_999, 25 May 2011 - 09:33 AM.

[The Tax-Man]

1.) About this... --Click here to view--

This scene is actually not a coincidence, but neither is it supose to hint towards a pairing. This subject touches on a fact that was brought up during the Kage Summit arc when the meeting was underway. Kumogakure (Cloud Village) has never demilitarised (even during times of peace) and has in fact constantly sought to gain any advantage possible on the other ninja villages. Kushina's and Hinata's kidnapping attempts are only two examples of the lengths they were willing to go to aquire the secret techniques of their rival villages. In short, the reasoning behind the kidnappings was solely political, and wasn't meant to be used as any sort of pairng reference.

Exactly. Even if it wasn't, it's hard to see how that makes them really similar. Let's see... So, Naruto and Ino must be similar too I presume?

[hothead]

I have this:

Can someone explain to me how this quote is really part of what Sakura really wants in terms of Sasuke, manga wise. Because really you have to be delusional or not a real Sakura fan to want her suffering.

Whoever said that must be outright crazy... I'm pretty sure that Sakura wouldn't like to burn in hell just to be with Sasuke, that would be just... idk wierd...

[Super Boom]

No worries. I've been feeling the same as well. We haven't had any new to talk about for a while (hopefully, now that Sakura's back in the picture things will get better). It's good to try and make the effort of injecting fresh topics to keep the conversation from going stale.

Thanks, I'm glad those points got debunked so quickly. The first and last points I didn't really put too much stock into, in fact the third actually made me a little mad when I heard it. As for the second one, I'm glad to hear the "Thank god.." line is actually a common phrase in Japanese.
I'm also glad to see people actually correcting the flaws in these arguments, rather than just waving them off. I guess logic and reason are what seperates us from the other fandoms.

These confessions were enacted as basic storytelling elements as any shonen style storyline. Look at Orihimes confession in Bleach, and Shirleys confession in Code Geass. Both shy girls with crushes on the main character and a desire to be stronger and protect said character. Both characters confessions came to nought and in Shirleys case resulted in her death. Orihimes was not heard by the party in question and nothing has come of it since.

I agree with the Code Geass part, but I see a huge difference between Orihime and Hinata's confession. Orihime thought she was never coming back, and even then couldn't bring herself to kiss Ichigo. To be honest, I used to like IchiRuki, but couldn't help but tear up at that scene. Maybe her confession was selfish, but I guess you could say the same thing about Sakura's, considering she knew she was going to fight Sasuke, and maybe die in the process.
Also, I feel like I've seen a couple cases here where shipping fans compare IchiRuki with NaruSaku and IchiOri with NaruHina. This doesn't really make sense to me, considering Naruto and Ichigo are drastically different characters, with different goals and feelings. On top of that, Orihime and Hinata aren't terribly similar either. In fact, some can say that Orihime has some similarities with Sakura, what with how her feelings for the hero changed over time.
But basically, Bleach and Naruto are two different animals, so I just don't think comparisons are really valid. Especially considering how Bleach is an ongoing manga.

I have this:

Can someone explain to me how this quote is really part of what Sakura really wants in terms of Sasuke, manga wise. Because really you have to be delusional or not a real Sakura fan to want her suffering.

That line seems really bias to me. The manga hasn't really said anything to that extent, so I wouldn't really bat an eye over it. It's probably just a Sakura basher who misinterpreted her hesitation to kill Sasuke as 'pure love' or something. *shrugs*

Edited by Boom...Winning, 24 May 2011 - 11:44 PM.

[crazyefra]

^But the thing is he/she is a Sakura "fan"

[bthug]

Phantom_999 my man, you really get me. Sure I don't want it to turn into a love drama (not that I wouldn't mind ) but a couple of obstacles would be nice as long as Narusaku wins out.

The thing about Lee is that I just don't take his pursuit for Sakura serious lol, I love Lee he is one of my favorite characters, but always seemed like it was a joke. Maybe it's the same for hinata, but most people just take it seriously.

As for Rapasta who I believe put his ideal ending, I respect your ideology (if that's the right word) , but I would not like that ending.
I like the part about seeing Naruto's hokage initiation and the fact that Naruto and Sakura have a kid, but I don't like anything else about it. (sorry not trying to sound mean)
I see them visiting sasuke's grave as a high possibility. but if someone does it should just be Naruto. I don't want Sakura crying over sasuke and their kid could be named sasuke,but I would not like that he should be named either Jiraiya, Minato, Naruto, or named after another part of ramen. Oh and let's not forget the kiss between Naruto and Sakura, I need to see a nice kiss on the lips while they hold each other. Along with a kiss before the fight with sasuke, but on her forehead.

Oh and seriously check out the link I put, its a good Narusaku video.