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[rastaman]

The relationship between Naruto and Sakura is a parade example of how a relationship should be. That's my opinion. That's how lots of relationships in reality are and that's what makes NaruSaku so interesting. It's exciting to see how Naruto and Sakura act like two magnets. There's a time when they are pushed away from each other, but just like the opposite poles of two magnet they stick together if the conditions are right. It conveys the touch of a soap opera but that's also what real Life is like. It doesn't matter if Sakura deserves Naruto, it's all about HIS personality and Naruto would forgive Sakura EVERYTHING. A perfect married couple has it's difficulties, too. Naruto DOESN'T EVEN WANT Sakura to feel regret and guilt, when it comes to past decisions (promise, confession etc.).
And that's what Sakura has yet to comprehend. There's something they have in common i.e. Naruto was too young to understand that Sakura's request was nothing absolute and undeniable and that he didn't have to be reckless 'cause of the promise, and NOW Sakura considers herself to be responsible for Naruto's suffering. When she accepts Naruto as someone who cannot ignore her and will risk his Life over and over for her, THEN they'll be in consonance and then they'll be in love with each other, at last.

Edited by rastaman, 23 May 2011 - 07:26 PM.

[bthug]

Well said rastaman and welcome.

Going back to the east vs west way of showing romantic feelings, I've always felt like the whole punching Naruto, calling him annoying or an idiot was Sakura's way of showing her feelings. In my opinion I feel like it happens in a lot of anime's and shows in general, it almost seems obvious, but for some reason this couple keeps me on the edge of my seat.

What's funny about this pairing is that yea I want it to be official, but most likely by the time it's official Naruto will be over so its bittersweet, BUT I would definitely hands down 100% take a Narusaku victory over the end of Naruto.

Now I am not so worried about other pairings, but what if it just doesn't happen or if Naruto dies, even if he dies after they kiss, I still wouldn't like it, cause I would rather seem him live a long life with the woman of his dreams and a little Naruto. Or is that just me? I doubt it

[hothead]

You know I don't know why everybody is getting so worked up about it taking too long for Naruto and Sakura to become a couple, don't get me wrong I do want it to happen but then all of the fun times we've all had together debating and stuff will come to an end after everybody gets bored of celebrating
I know the tension is killing us but we should let it play out and enjoy it while it lasts...
(Somehow that was really corny for me... )

[rastaman]

by the time it's official Naruto will be over so its bittersweet

Now you just had to remind me that there probably won't be any long-drawn-out conclusion showing explicit NaruSaku material.
Whatever, I think most people here would not settle for a single kiss.
I wouldn't worry about this either.
What's more worrisome is the fact that the love triangle (Naruto, Sakura, Sasuke) is a kind of dilemma.
It's extremely complicated 'cause it's not only about who loves whom. The thing is Sasuke's future survival or death is seriously deep-seated in the whole love matter. NaruSaku stands and falls with Sasuke's fate, which again stands and falls with Naruto.
It's not only a love triangle, it's also a shinobi triangle, in which Naruto and Sakura hold a great responsibility to make the best decisions for Konoha and the alliance, whereas Sasuke would probably try to kill Madara, loosing even his last 'ally' and probably loosing his life, even if he manages to defeat Naruto.

[narutouzumaki50]

The relationship between Naruto and Sakura is a parade example of how a relationship should be. That's my opinion. That's how lots of relationships in reality are and that's what makes NaruSaku so interesting. It's exciting to see how Naruto and Sakura act like two magnets. There's a time when they are pushed away from each other, but just like the opposite poles of two magnet they stick together if the conditions are right. It conveys the touch of a soap opera but that's also what real Life is like. It doesn't matter if Sakura deserves Naruto, it's all about HIS personality and Naruto would forgive Sakura EVERYTHING. A perfect married couple has it's difficulties, too. Naruto DOESN'T EVEN WANT Sakura to feel regret and guilt, when it comes to past decisions (promise, confession etc.).
And that's what Sakura has yet to comprehend. There's something they have in common i.e. Naruto was too young to understand that Sakura's request was nothing absolute and undeniable and that he didn't have to be reckless 'cause of the promise, and NOW Sakura considers herself to be responsible for Naruto's suffering. When she accepts Naruto as someone who cannot ignore her and will risk his Life over and over for her, THEN they'll be in consonance and then they'll be in love with each other, at last.

Well said dude! And welcome to the narusaku family!

[Fliss]

Now you just had to remind me that there probably won't be any long-drawn-out conclusion showing explicit NaruSaku material.
Whatever, I think most people here would not settle for a single kiss.
I wouldn't worry about this either.
What's more worrisome is the fact that the love triangle (Naruto, Sakura, Sasuke) is a kind of dilemma.
It's extremely complicated 'cause it's not only about who loves whom. The thing is Sasuke's future survival or death is seriously deep-seated in the whole love matter. NaruSaku stands and falls with Sasuke's fate, which again stands and falls with Naruto.
It's not only a love triangle, it's also a shinobi triangle, in which Naruto and Sakura hold a great responsibility to make the best decisions for Konoha and the alliance, whereas Sasuke would probably try to kill Madara, loosing even his last 'ally' and probably loosing his life, even if he manages to defeat Naruto.

So..are you saying Sasuke's decision will determine the outcome of Narusaku or vice versa?

Btw I freaking love your avatar <3

[Phantom_999]

You know I don't know why everybody is getting so worked up about it taking too long for Naruto and Sakura to become a couple, don't get me wrong I do want it to happen but then all of the fun times we've all had together debating and stuff will come to an end after everybody gets bored of celebrating
I know the tension is killing us but we should let it play out and enjoy it while it lasts...
(Somehow that was really corny for me... )

Now don't get me wrong again I have no problem with this prolonged thing with NaruSaku just saying it might be why some people are starting to feel doubts nothing wrong with how things are going now only that the suspense CAN lead to seconding guessing for some again because prolonging can lead to anxiety and that can lead to doubt to be honest but yeah it's suspense that keep us hooked on to the series

Edited by Phantom_999, 23 May 2011 - 11:37 PM.

[ciardha]

It's extremely complicated 'cause it's not only about who loves whom. The thing is Sasuke's future survival or death is seriously deep-seated in the whole love matter. NaruSaku stands and falls with Sasuke's fate,

Actually no. The Sakura confession arc served to sever any connection between Naruto and Sakura's love and the issue of Sasuke. Sakura is in love with Naruto and Naruto knows that now and believes it (she convinces him of her love for him in chapter 470- see his mental image of her in chapter 505) Naruto has agreed that the POAL is ended, he's going after Sasuke because of his own deep emotional bond to him (he says that point blank to Sakura in chapter 470). Thanks to Sai, Sakura knows Naruto's love for her is as deep as her love for him. Sakura's feelings about Sasuke have to do with her memories of the girlish affection she had for him in his Team 7 days, and the team mate bond. There was never an issue on Sakura's side conflicting her feelings about Sasuke and her feelings about Naruto, not even in part 1. Naruto let himself create conflict (in part 1 outwardly, in part 2 inwardly- the inner conflict Sakura knew nothing about and was horrified when Sai told her about, and thus her resolve to immediately break it- hoping desperately that once Naruto knew of Sakura's love for him that would break Naruto's inner love triangle, and also stop his chasing after Sasuke- she didn't hold much hope in the later, but she thought she could break the former. It was harder than she'd planned, but she did get through and with Sai's help shattered Naruto's inner triangle.

No, the only risk now to Naruto and Sakura consummating their mutual love and becoming an official couple would be if one of them was killed. Kishimoto is following the typical romantic storyteller's pattern- once a strong romantic couple is established the threat becomes exterior to their love for each other, becomes physical danger from third parties. (See Hashirama's, Dan's, Minato and Kushina's, Yahiko's, even Jiraiya's death)

Edited by ciardha, 24 May 2011 - 12:00 AM.

[hothead]

Now don't get me wrong again I have no problem with this prolonged thing with NaruSaku just saying it might be why some people are starting to feel doubts nothing wrong with how things are going now only that the suspense CAN lead to seconding guessing for some again because prolonging can lead to anxiety and that can lead to doubt to be honest but yeah it's suspense that keep us hooked on to the series

I know, but I was just telling everybody to enjoy it while we can, because once NS happens I can't help but feel sad that our time debating has come to an end....

[Phantom_999]

Actually no. The Sakura confession arc served to sever any connection between Naruto and Sakura's love and the issue of Sasuke. Sakura is in love with Naruto and Naruto knows that now and believes it (she convinces him of her love for him in chapter 470- see his mental image of her in chapter 505) Naruto has agreed that the POAL is ended, he's going after Sasuke because of his own deep emotional bond to him (he says that point blank to Sakura in chapter 470). Thanks to Sai, Sakura knows Naruto's love for her is as deep as her love for him. Sakura's feelings about Sasuke have to do with her memories of the girlish affection she had for him in his Team 7 days, and the team mate bond. There was never an issue on Sakura's side conflicting her feelings about Sasuke and her feelings about Naruto, not even in part 1. Naruto let himself create conflict (in part 1 outwardly, in part 2 inwardly- the inner conflict Sakura knew nothing about and was horrified when Sai told her about, and thus her resolve to immediately break it- hoping desperately that once Naruto knew of Sakura's love for him that would break Naruto's inner love triangle, and also stop his chasing after Sasuke- she didn't hold much hope in the later, but she thought she could break the former. It was harder than she'd planned, but she did get through and with Sai's help shattered Naruto's inner triangle.

No, the only risk now to Naruto and Sakura consummating their mutual love and becoming an official couple would be if one of them was killed. Kishimoto is following the typical romantic storyteller's pattern- once a strong romantic couple is established the threat becomes exterior to their love for each other, becomes physical danger from third parties. (See Hashirama's, Dan's, Minato and Kushina's, Yahiko's, even Jiraiya's death)

Weeellll... I am personally unsure if Naruto actually knows that Sakura actually loves him even after Sai so called "help" I mean what the guy said sounded pretty ignorant and spoke to me like this" You're second choice because Sasuke is now a complete loon and and your teammates are now going to kill Sasuke Sakura is only trying to kill him because she loves/loved him but she is doing it for your sake for absolutely no reason and only confessed out of guilt" but then again that maybe just me wanting Naruto to continue being a knuckle-head and needing Sakura to spell it out and prove it to him and maybe I dislike Sai but to be honest The man has spent the last 15-16 years of his life as an emotionless killing puppet and he thinks that now he can tell what people are feeling/thinking with just a few short months of reading books and short term interactions?

Edited by Phantom_999, 24 May 2011 - 01:00 AM.

[bthug]

I am not worried about Sakura having feelings for sasuke, at this point it seem to ridiculous for her to still have feelings for him. Besides their would be no point for moments like the hug, the confession, and Naruto saving her from sasuke especially in the way he did (scooped her up, like carrying bride over the threshold...http://tulsahomeforsale.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/carry_over_threshold_icon.jpg.....http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100520231416/naruto/images/archive/2/2f/20110427152510!Naruto_Saves_Sakura.jpg)

Although your right Sai did say something along the lines of....Sakura's only killing sasuke because she loves him.

The only thing I am worried about is no pairings, cliffhanger pairings, and something that has the biggest possibility death. I fear Naruto might die and he might only share a kiss with his beloved Sakura. Of course a kiss would be great, but I want a long lasting relationship.

Also people keep saying Naruto accepted Sakura's confession, is their actual proof or is it more speculation?
Oh yea Thanks for the Narusaku manga album links ciardha

I'm just going to throw this out their might seem a little weird, but I want to see Naruto like working out or doing pushups (shirt off) with Sakura watching from afar and blushing...yea I know I'm weird.

[rastaman]

Naruto saving her from sasuke especially in the way he did (scooped her up, like carrying bride over the threshold...

The way he saves Sakura from Sasuke is what really convinced me that NaruSaku is gonna happen.
When he carries her on his arms it's REALLY similar to the scene in which Minato saves Kushina.
IMO it can be taken symbolically >> Naruto releases her from Sasuke's grip (so not only literally)
Kushina's feet for example in the Minato/Kushina scene have EXACTLY the same positions as Sakura's in the scene with Sasuke and Naruto and the overall position is almost the same, too. And it happens only 17 chapters later, so I doubt Kishi has not planned this similarity.

Edited by rastaman, 24 May 2011 - 05:14 AM.

[ciardha]

Also people keep saying Naruto accepted Sakura's confession, is their actual proof or is it more speculation?

when Sakura is angry and firm that she is in love with Naruto, Naruto doesn't argue with her about it, and his words and expressions are accepting of that. (Sakura got him to the point where apparently he decided she was in love with both himself and Sasuke from what he says to Sai, and Sai's firm statement that Sakura was telling the truth that she had moved on from Sasuke romantically and was now in love with Naruto, that Sakura was acting from her feelings of love for Naruto and the memories of her feelings for Sasuke. Thus at that point his mental image of Team 7 with Sakura fangirling over Sasuke shatters- as Sai tells him that Sakura has chosen to kill Sasuke herself out of her love for Naruto, and her memories of Sasuke at his best, in Team 7- kill him before he goes any further into the dark, kill him before he hurts or kills Naruto.

Most recent- Naruto's mental image of his age peers, Sakura has her full attention on Naruto and is looking at him openly in love with him- similar to how Kushina looked at Minato when he rescued her. He no longer sees her as the Sasuke fangirl, but as she is now, openly in love with Naruto.

http://www.mangaread...hapter-505.html

[Darth Krypt]

when Sakura is angry and firm that she is in love with Naruto, Naruto doesn't argue with her about it, and his words and expressions are accepting of that. (Sakura got him to the point where apparently he decided she was in love with both himself and Sasuke from what he says to Sai, and Sai's firm statement that Sakura was telling the truth that she had moved on from Sasuke romantically and was now in love with Naruto, that Sakura was acting from her feelings of love for Naruto and the memories of her feelings for Sasuke. Thus at that point his mental image of Team 7 with Sakura fangirling over Sasuke shatters- as Sai tells him that Sakura has chosen to kill Sasuke herself out of her love for Naruto, and her memories of Sasuke at his best, in Team 7- kill him before he goes any further into the dark, kill him before he hurts or kills Naruto.

Most recent- Naruto's mental image of his age peers, Sakura has her full attention on Naruto and is looking at him openly in love with him- similar to how Kushina looked at Minato when he rescued her. He no longer sees her as the Sasuke fangirl, but as she is now, openly in love with Naruto.

http://www.mangaread...hapter-505.html

Haha if I get a dollar for everytime you quote that chapter, I can buy a few extra value meals! You should put that panel as your signature so you don't have to trouble yourself by repeatedly explaining that to different people.

[bthug]

Alright well explained.
I have an idea of what I would like to see ONLY if Narusaku is DEFINITELY going to happen, let's see what you guys think.
I wouldn't mind seeing Narusaku struggle more to become a couple. (Don't kill me, let me finish) Struggle in those obvious and I mean obvious moments and ways, I can't think of one right now at 3:58 A.M, but hopefully you know what I mean. Remember I would only want to see this if Narusaku ultimately prevails.

Edited by bthug, 24 May 2011 - 08:07 AM.

[Phantom_999]

when Sakura is angry and firm that she is in love with Naruto, Naruto doesn't argue with her about it, and his words and expressions are accepting of that. (Sakura got him to the point where apparently he decided she was in love with both himself and Sasuke from what he says to Sai, and Sai's firm statement that Sakura was telling the truth that she had moved on from Sasuke romantically and was now in love with Naruto, that Sakura was acting from her feelings of love for Naruto and the memories of her feelings for Sasuke. Thus at that point his mental image of Team 7 with Sakura fangirling over Sasuke shatters- as Sai tells him that Sakura has chosen to kill Sasuke herself out of her love for Naruto, and her memories of Sasuke at his best, in Team 7- kill him before he goes any further into the dark, kill him before he hurts or kills Naruto.

Most recent- Naruto's mental image of his age peers, Sakura has her full attention on Naruto and is looking at him openly in love with him- similar to how Kushina looked at Minato when he rescued her. He no longer sees her as the Sasuke fangirl, but as she is now, openly in love with Naruto.

http://www.mangaread...hapter-505.html

Eh The confession was so poorly received that I wouldn't be surprised if they need another scene to resolve it and as for Ch. 505, Its almost guaranteed you're right don't get me wrong but there are other possibilities don't you think? like maybe he's just portraying a happy moment with entire group, you know just casual happiness Hinata's not smiling though because she hardly smiles but yeah I like your explanation much better

Alright well explained.
I have an idea of what I would like to see ONLY if Narusaku is DEFINITELY going to happen, let's see what you guys think.
I wouldn't mind seeing Narusaku struggle more to become a couple. (Don't kill me, let me finish) Struggle in those obvious and I mean obvious moments and ways, I can't think of one right now at 3:58 A.M, but hopefully you know what I mean. Remember I would only want to see this if Narusaku ultimately prevails.

I LIKE your thinking my friend! but I personally think they've went through enough struggles in their relationship so far by being completely ignorant to each other's feelings I mean They need an emotion and and human nature ignorant weirdo like Sai to confess FOR them, so what does that say? He had to tell Sakura of Naruto's love for her and how that promise is completely hurting him inside and how he needed to get Naruto to admit his feelings

Edited by Phantom_999, 24 May 2011 - 08:49 PM.

[Super Boom]

Alright, I don't mean to monopolize this debate thread or anything, but lately I feel like the conversation's been going in circles, so I thought I'd use it to debunk some opposing ideas that've been bugging me. If you don't feel like discussing this sort of thing, that's cool, just rollback to the previous conversation. Anyway, here's what I have.

1.) During Kushina's flashback, I believe she was kidnapped by Kumo ninja. I recalled recently how Hinata was also kidnapped by a Kumo ninja during the "Hyuuga Affair". Does seem like an intended comparison to anyone, or just a coincidence? My guess is the latter, seeing as how Kumo and Konoha seemed to be at odds quite a bit during the past. It's just that I can see NaruHina fans using this comparison with Kushina's last words about finding a woman "like her".

2.) After Naruto hears that Hinata is alive during the Pain Invasion, he grabs his heart, cries, and says, "Thank God..." The heart grabbing kind of bugged me at first, but I guess it can be tossed up to him just being worried. What did kind of bother me though, was how, when Hinata saw Naruto return to the village, she also says to herself, "Thank God..." I don't know if they use the same the phrase in the original Japanese (thanking God in a Japanese story doesn't really make much sense to me), but if they do, does this comparison seem important to anyone? Or, on a side note, is anyone worried about Naruto putting his hand over his heart and crying, or have most of you reached the same conclusion as me regarding that?

3.) This one actually irritates me, but I thought I'd post it anyway. I've heard some SasuSaku fans claim that they're pairing HAS to happen due it being the primary focus of Sakura's character. The claim is that Naruto's dream is become Hokage, Sasuke's dream is to avenge his clan, and Sakura's dream is to marry Sasuke. The whole 'dream talk' when their characters were introduced was important, but I don't really think we can say Sakura's dream is something so shallow. On top of that, I always assumed that her infatuation with Sasuke stopped being the primary focus of ther character during the Sound genin fight and during her fight with Ino, where she says something along the lines of, "I'll fight you, but not over Sasuke-kun". Obviously, she didn't stop crushing over him, but it seems crazy to me to say that being with Sasuke is whole point of her character.

That's all I have right now. Again, feel free to ignore this if you'd rather continue the current discussion. I just thought I'd try to add more of a debate to the Debate Thread.

Edited by Boom...Winning, 24 May 2011 - 02:43 PM.

[Gravenimage]

Alright, I don't mean to monopolize this debate thread or anything, but lately I feel like the conversation's been going in circles, so I thought I'd use it to debunk some opposing ideas that've been bugging me. If you don't feel like discussing this sort of thing, that's cool, just rollback to the previous conversation. Anyway, here's what I have.

1.) During Kushina's flashback, I believe she was kidnapped by Kumo ninja. I recalled recently how Hinata was also kidnapped by a Kumo ninja during the "Hyuuga Affair". Does seem like an intended comparison to anyone, or just a coincidence? My guess is the latter, seeing as how Kumo and Konoha seemed to be at odds quite a bit during the past. It's just that I can see NaruHina fans using this comparison with Kushina's last words about finding a woman "like her".

2.) After Naruto hears that Hinata is alive during the Pain Invasion, he grabs his heart, cries, and says, "Thank God..." The heart grabbing kind of bugged me at first, but I guess it can be tossed up to him just being worried. What did kind of bother me though, was how, when Hinata saw Naruto return to the village, she also says to herself, "Thank God..." I don't know if they use the same the phrase in the original Japanese (thanking God in a Japanese story doesn't really make much sense to me), but if they do, does this comparison seem important to anyone? Or, on a side note, is anyone worried about Naruto putting his hand over his heart and crying, or have most of you reached the same conclusion as me regarding that?

3.) This one actually irritates me, but I thought I'd post it anyway. I've heard some SasuSaku fans claim that they're pairing HAS to happen due it being the primary focus of Sakura's character. The claim is that Naruto's dream is become Hokage, Sasuke's dream is to avenge his clan, and Sakura's dream is to marry Sasuke. The whole 'dream talk' when their characters were introduced was important, but I don't really think we can say Sakura's dream is something so shallow. On top of that, I always assumed that her infatuation with Sasuke stopped being the primary focus of ther character during the Sound genin fight and during her fight with Ino, where she says something along the lines of, "I'll fight you, but not over Sasuke-kun". Obviously, she didn't stop crushing over him, but it seems crazy to me to say that being with Sasuke is whole point of her character.

That's all I have right now. Again, feel free to ignore this if you'd rather continue the current discussion. I just thought I'd try to add more of a debate to the Debate Thread.

All three points that you mentioned are all biased on their part there's no solid evidence that this proves that their pairing will happen it only shows the opposite that the pairings has a 0.5% to become canon.

[RedDelicious]

Most recent- Naruto's mental image of his age peers, Sakura has her full attention on Naruto and is looking at him openly in love with him- similar to how Kushina looked at Minato when he rescued her. He no longer sees her as the Sasuke fangirl, but as she is now, openly in love with Naruto.

http://www.mangaread...hapter-505.html

Two other things I like about that image:
1) Shino is barely visible behind Lee. Poor Shino, always neglected.
2) Hinata is not shyly looking back over her shoulder. She and Kiba seem to be forcefully looking at each other, with serious expressions on their face. (This is a pairing I would support.)

1.) During Kushina's flashback, I believe she was kidnapped by Kumo ninja. I recalled recently how Hinata was also kidnapped by a Kumo ninja during the "Hyuuga Affair". Does seem like an intended comparison to anyone, or just a coincidence?
... using this comparison with Kushina's last words about finding a woman "like her".

2.) After Naruto hears that Hinata is alive during the Pain Invasion, he grabs his heart, cries, and says, "Thank God..."
...

3.) This one actually irritates me, but I thought I'd post it anyway. I've heard some SasuSaku fans claim that they're pairing HAS to happen due it being the primary focus of Sakura's character. The claim is that ... Sakura's dream is to marry Sasuke.

1) Depends on what Kushina meant. If she meant someone with exotic bloodline or eye abilities, then it would be significant. If she meant finding someone like her in personality, then Kumo involvement is not meaningful.

2) Chapter 441 page 7
Naruto was responding Katsuyu saying that no one in the village died due to his attack. Nothing about Hinata being well. She might have still been dying due to Pein's attack, but at least Naruto did not harm her directly.

3) Where exactly is Sakura's dream shown? In the early chapters, Kakashi commented that girls of that age are more interested in boys instead of being ninjas. Sakura cutting her hair during the Sound ninja attack shows when she put being a ninja ahead of flirting with boys. Everything she has done since then has been about becoming strong enough to stand by Naruto and helping him with his goals. No scenes about her worrying about getting the right wedding dress, or daydreaming about having Uchiha children.

That's why NS is better than NH or SS, even if the story wasn't already supporting that pairing. Hinata's admiration comes from seeing Naruto fail (but still trying). Sakura's admiration comes from seeing Naruto succeed, and she has decided to take actions to help him succeed (which Hinata *still* hasn't done). NS pairing will result in each of them being better people, due to their mutual support. (Once they get past trying to overprotect each other.)

[pharix]

just because Hinata was also almost captured by Kumo doesn't make her personality similar to Kushina's, and that's what she was referring to