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[Nefertieh]

Yeah, I have always thought that she has this great image of sasuke and who he is, compared to what he actually is. I think she is coming to a full realization of this at this very moment. Hopefully her feelings are out there soon so we know what is going on with her emotionally.

I get the feeling that Sakura is more in love with the idea of Sasuke loving her than actual Sasuke. As Mad-hatter-ace on Tumblr and others have put it, she was in a way, in love with someone who didn't exist. That was why she was thrilled with the idea of "Sasuke" offering to kiss her, even though it was obvious to anyone who knew the real Sasuke that he wouldn't do that.

The other thing that people don't mention as much is that Sakura often hides her inner tsundere and act all subservient to Sasuke, all in the hopes that he would like her. I can't see a relationship forming from that.

Aww mannn...that sucks.. looks like im never gonna know what it says
Same here buddy, I really dont care about them either since neji's gone
Thanks pal, glad you liked it

And yeah, I completely agree with you, the fanbase doesnt change kishis style of writing, but its just great to know that the japanese fanbase is how It is now. Like how sakura's overall popularity according the the third databook, which added all the 6 polls together, is number six out of all the characters in naruto (hinata isnt even in the top ten for those of you who say shes always head to head with our heroine which she is not, she's not even popular for pete's sake) kakashi number 1, naruto 2, sasuke 3, iruka 4, shikamaru 5, sakura 6, neji 7, gaara 8, lee 9 and itachi 10. And if you add these polls with the seventh one, gaara beat sakura and neji so he's number 6 and sakura is number 7 and neji is number 8 and itachi beat lee so he's number 9 and lee is number 10 and judging by the current narusaku second event, looks like narusaku popularity is skyrocketing.

The SJ polls are not a very good indication about opinions regarding pairings/ characters for reasons I have listed in the polls thread. Based on your information above, one could argue that Sakura's popularity was skewered by the polls near the start of the manga, and doesn't reflect the most recent character popularity.

But when have polls determined which pairings become canon? We can argue numbers and haters can argue numbers, but in the end it isn't about numbers at all.

Edited by Nefertieh, 01 July 2013 - 07:37 PM.

[Canadian_DJ]

So what do you guys think is the status of the promise of a lifetime?
 
I think it's still active, but only on Naruto's side. Although to be fair I think it's always been like that.
 
What Sai made Sakura believe is that Naruto was partly pressuring himself because he believed Sakura was in expectation of him to bring Sasuke back. Therefore Sakura, through her confession, wanted to let Naruto know that he was more important to her than any expectation to bring Sasuke back. Sakura wanted for Naruto to understand that his safety and happiness took priority over any desire to have Sasuke back.
 
Naruto never burdened himself with thoughts about the promise maybe being more important to Sakura then himself, but that's what Sakura had thought Naruto believed which is why she had her tearful breakdown. Naruto never wanted to fulfill Sakura's promise because he thinks Sakura is pressuring him, he wants to fulfill it because he wants to make her happy. It's always been his choice, no one ever made him take any action that he didn't want to, even if it was painful.
 
I really hope Kishi can resolve the romance subplot properly. Every since the Summit arc it feels like a mystery to me how will Kishi go about resolving Sakura's feelings. The build up for Sakura to fall for Naruto is there crystal clear, but her ongoing love for Sasuke is what makes one unsure about how will she finally be able to fully love Naruto without reservation.
 
Unless it's established somehow that Sakura's love for Sasuke had a sense of falsehood in the romantic perspective I really don't know why would Sakura let go of that love for him. It needs to be shown that her love for Naruto is different, for her to understand that what she feels for Naruto is true love which is not the same that she has felt for Sasuke. And that should be used as the reason for her to choose Naruto in the end.
 
The problem with the confession in the Summit arc is that Sakura was weighting the pros and cons of Naruto and Sasuke, and that's how she chose Naruto. I think Naruto would rather Sakura choose him completely instead of just saying he's the better option since that would mean that regardless of being together that every time they were with Sasuke that would mean that Sakura would have a small desire to be with him. Naruto would rather her taking more time and choose him for all that he is, that way he can know for sure that Sakura will only want him.

Preach it bro

[Canadian_DJ]

I get the feeling that Sakura is more in love with the idea of Sasuke loving her than actual Sasuke. As Mad-hatter-ace on Tumblr and others have put it, she was in a way, in love with someone who didn't exist. That was why she was thrilled with the idea of "Sasuke" offering to kiss her, even though it was obvious to anyone who knew the real Sasuke that he wouldn't do that.
The other thing that people don't mention as much is that Sakura often hides her inner tsundere and act all subservant to Sasuke, all in the hopes that he would like her. I can't see a relationship forming from that.

The SJ polls are not a very good indication about opinions regarding pairings/ characters for reasons I have listed in the polls thread. Based on your information above, one could argue that Sakura's popularity was skewered by the polls near the start of the manga, and doesn't reflect the most recent character popularity.
But when have polls determined which pairings become canon? We can argue numbers and haters can argue numbers, but in the end it isn't about numbers at all.

I didn't officially say that narusaku is the most popular, I just said that judging by the recent narusaku events in japan, it looks like its popularity is skyrocketing, but popularity or not, that doesnt matter.

With all due respect but, nothings ever really accurate, but thats a legitimate source, its the shounen jump source for gods sake, its 100% legitimate-now when I say legitimate I mean its what naruto fans from all over the globe will go for when concerned about character popularity, your statement (which is an opinion and doesnt work, the SJ polls are legitimate, this is nothing to debate about, I mean, its RIGHT there :S) that suggests nothing is accurate, isnt a strong argument in this case, ofcoarse its not gonna be 100% accurate I mean, nothings that accurate its only natural, but whenever shounen jump annoucned the popularity since the beginning of the manga In japan thr people that wanted to vote for their favourite characters e.g naruto, sakura, sasuke, kakashi etc, they voted, and the ones that didnt bother to get off their butts and vote quite frankly didnt care. So your argument saying that the SJ polls dont matter just got debunked. And about sakura, I dunno what your trying to say, whether sakura is popular in japan, or whether her votes arent legitimate, man I have no idea. But from the information we know from the official SJ sakura is number 6, and not only that, but sakura is loved in japan and the most popular female character in naruto, go figure.

Dont agree, agree to disagree.

Peace.

Edited by Canadian_DJ, 01 July 2013 - 06:06 PM.

[Nefertieh]

So what do you guys think is the status of the promise of a lifetime?
 
I think it's still active, but only on Naruto's side. Although to be fair I think it's always been like that.
 
What Sai made Sakura believe is that Naruto was partly pressuring himself because he believed Sakura was in expectation of him to bring Sasuke back. Therefore Sakura, through her confession, wanted to let Naruto know that he was more important to her than any expectation to bring Sasuke back. Sakura wanted for Naruto to understand that his safety and happiness took priority over any desire to have Sasuke back.
 
Naruto never burdened himself with thoughts about the promise maybe being more important to Sakura then himself, but that's what Sakura had thought Naruto believed which is why she had her tearful breakdown. Naruto never wanted to fulfill Sakura's promise because he thinks Sakura is pressuring him, he wants to fulfill it because he wants to make her happy. It's always been his choice, no one ever made him take any action that he didn't want to, even if it was painful.

I think Sai made Sakura feel it was all her fault that Naruto went out of his way to save Sasuke, and the author's intent was to prove that it was not.

I really hope Kishi can resolve the romance subplot properly. Every since the Summit arc it feels like a mystery to me how will Kishi go about resolving Sakura's feelings. The build up for Sakura to fall for Naruto is there crystal clear, but her ongoing love for Sasuke is what makes one unsure about how will she finally be able to fully love Naruto without reservation.

I don't think that's the case. If Sakura had a relationship with Sasuke beyond teammates, I would agree. But they don't. I can see her sympathizing for Sasuke's loss, but I can't see them preventing her from loving Naruto.
 

Unless it's established somehow that Sakura's love for Sasuke had a sense of falsehood in the romantic perspective I really don't know why would Sakura let go of that love for him. It needs to be shown that her love for Naruto is different, for her to understand that what she feels for Naruto is true love which is not the same that she has felt for Sasuke. And that should be used as the reason for her to choose Naruto in the end.

I think the manga has already shown her relationship is different between the two.
 

The problem with the confession in the Summit arc is that Sakura was weighting the pros and cons of Naruto and Sasuke, and that's how she chose Naruto. I think Naruto would rather Sakura choose him completely instead of just saying he's the better option since that would mean that regardless of being together that every time they were with Sasuke that would mean that Sakura would have a small desire to be with him. Naruto would rather her taking more time and choose him for all that he is, that way he can know for sure that Sakura will only want him.

To be fair, the Summit arc wasn't about choosing Sasuke or Naruto, it was about her trying to save them. I agree that Naruto wouldn't be comfortable accepting Sakura's love in this case - but I felt it was because he knew she was mainly motived by her desire to protect him and that she was hiding something, not because he thought she only loved Sasuke.

Edited by Nefertieh, 01 July 2013 - 06:01 PM.

[FrenchMyToast]

I've already done that to a certain extent. I simply stopped worrying after recent events and unfortunately that gives me little reason to participate in the forums :/

 

Mhm it's bittersweet. The recent chapters have given me (and I'm assuming most NS fans) so much confidence that I don't really have the motivation to go out and explain my views/beliefs to others. I just want to say, "You're wrong, go re-read the chapter," but that wouldn't really fly. 

 

But whatever, this site will go crazy when/if NS becomes canon. 

[arian_rad]

 
Mhm it's bittersweet. The recent chapters have given me (and I'm assuming most NS fans) so much confidence that I don't really have the motivation to go out and explain my views/beliefs to others. I just want to say, "You're wrong, go re-read the chapter," but that wouldn't really fly. 
 
But whatever, this site will go crazy when/if NS becomes canon. 

Every forum will go crazy, I feel most Japanese fans of the manga will be celebrating while there will be an all out war against us on tumblr and maybe even on this website. Hopefully I can have my popcorn ready for those events.

[Canadian_DJ]

http://m.youtube.com...ced.-Ul9Q_bDnP4

Check this out guys! Its awesome, naruto and sakura sure make a great team in singing!!

[Inferno180]

Ugh just read some stuff on how there are still people upset with 631 and hate Minato and claim it was a fanfiction or just humor.

 

God some arguments are becoming too ridiculous it makes me think if the impact was really that bad and just how seriously do people take these things? I saw how some people still claim NH is canon and that 615 should have ended everything despite too many loose ends still being everywhere and how Naruto still has shown nothing of any interest in Hinata and with 631 we get this girlfriend remark after the supposed love of NH and the Kushina parallel.

 

I hope these pairing wars come to an end within the next year and a half, 635 I feel only added fuel to the outrage of a simple comparison Minato made, its like we said a simple argument like Sakura=Kushina or Sakura may move away from loving Sasuke, one came true the other may be in motion and people act like kishi is going crazy or does not know what he is doing? I really don't want to know what will happen if SS is near finished and people overreact again. I mean in some case, I'm actually glad 615 happened the way it did, we got a big point of evidence for NS with 631 with Sakura=Kushina and we did not declare canon, we knew the issues with Sakura loving Sasuke and Hinata still needed to be resolved and the Sakura's feelings one may be coming up. Naruto practically confirmed his love for Sakura again and others feel they need a more direct answer but this one you cannot fully blame them if they want a clearer answer. But at this point, SS is just full of too many holes and NH would need to do a lot of catching up. I mean its becoming a bit too outrageous how others are just taking this, there are still people who think Naruto is fully over Sakura despite so many reasons saying he still likes her. Ugh this pairing stuff gives anyone a headache when you want to find logical arguments. Narutowiki still goes on trying to make it seem like he is over her without realizing if he gave up on her then this just totally contradicts NH in so many ways, making it both occur out of second choice (because he could not get with Sakura and there was no build up for this) because he could not get the promise done (so NH is out of pity) and Naruto would have given up (completely undermining the sole reason NH exists if he gave up, then how could Hinata even look at Naruto because he broke his way?) Sadly this would reduce Hinata to fodder pairing and yet others would still treat it as the best thing since sliced bread. Just too many holes, seriously. What can SS or NH actually do in the foreseable future to make things overcome the Sakura=Kushina parallel, I mean its a foreshadow event that basically has the closest thing to what Kushina said. Just how much more needs to be said on this stuff, its made for middle schoolers, if they can understand Sakura=Kushina, falling back to my topic of fans making everything harder to understand, just how twisted does this stuff need to become?

Edited by Inferno180, 01 July 2013 - 08:31 PM.

[HauntedCake]

But whatever, this site will go crazy when/if NS becomes canon. 

 

When it becomes canon not if

[TouKen4Life3g]

http://m.youtube.com...ced.-Ul9Q_bDnP4

Check this out guys! Its awesome, naruto and sakura sure make a great team in singing!!

I remember this. At the end, Naruto tried to compliment Sakura but got cut off so he was like "...err..."

Well, 631 was a sign of apocalypse, so when it becomes canon, well, get ready. It will be hell. You think it's not true, oh man, 631 was hell and it wasn't even making a pairing canon, just obvious intention route. So when it happens, be prepare.

[T XD]

I hope that the mods make a restricting thing when the pairing becomes canon in manga. Like when a person wants to register here, he/she needs to pass some questions ? Don't know, but it's better for the forums to be putted something that can get in the way for those who will turn here into chaos when NS is canon.

[Hiraishin]

Mhm it's bittersweet. The recent chapters have given me (and I'm assuming most NS fans) so much confidence that I don't really have the motivation to go out and explain my views/beliefs to others. I just want to say, "You're wrong, go re-read the chapter," but that wouldn't really fly.

But whatever, this site will go crazy when/if NS becomes canon.

Lmao! I so agree with you. Like, I'll see some ridiculous interpretation of a chapter/scene/whatever, and I'm just thinking, "...What? How can you even, what... Please re-read the chapter, without your shipping goggles." Ahaha... But yeah, I don't think anyone would appreciate that lol.

[arian_rad]

I hope that the mods make a restricting thing when the pairing becomes canon in manga. Like when a person wants to register here, he/she needs to pass some questions ? Don't know, but it's better for the forums to be putted something that can get in the way for those who will turn here into chaos when NS is canon.

I totally agree with you, all the fans and their frustration will flood right to here to probably insult or bash or say kishi has horrible writing. It would be a horrible sight honestly. All hell will break loose I can already tell.

[Cherry-Bloss93]

Ugh just read some stuff on how there are still people upset with 631 and hate Minato and claim it was a fanfiction or just humor.

 

God some arguments are becoming too ridiculous it makes me think if the impact was really that bad and just how seriously do people take these things? I saw how some people still claim NH is canon and that 615 should have ended everything despite too many loose ends still being everywhere and how Naruto still has shown nothing of any interest in Hinata and with 631 we get this girlfriend remark after the supposed love of NH and the Kushina parallel.

 

I hope these pairing wars come to an end within the next year and a half, 635 I feel only added fuel to the outrage of a simple comparison Minato made, its like we said a simple argument like Sakura=Kushina or Sakura may move away from loving Sasuke, one came true the other may be in motion and people act like kishi is going crazy or does not know what he is doing? I really don't want to know what will happen if SS is near finished and people overreact again. I mean in some case, I'm actually glad 615 happened the way it did, we got a big point of evidence for NS with 631 with Sakura=Kushina and we did not declare canon, we knew the issues with Sakura loving Sasuke and Hinata still needed to be resolved and the Sakura's feelings one may be coming up. Naruto practically confirmed his love for Sakura again and others feel they need a more direct answer but this one you cannot fully blame them if they want a clearer answer. But at this point, SS is just full of too many holes and NH would need to do a lot of catching up. I mean its becoming a bit too outrageous how others are just taking this, there are still people who think Naruto is fully over Sakura despite so many reasons saying he still likes her. Ugh this pairing stuff gives anyone a headache when you want to find logical arguments. Narutowiki still goes on trying to make it seem like he is over her without realizing if he gave up on her then this just totally contradicts NH in so many ways, making it both occur out of second choice (because he could not get with Sakura and there was no build up for this) because he could not get the promise done (so NH is out of pity) and Naruto would have given up (completely undermining the sole reason NH exists if he gave up, then how could Hinata even look at Naruto because he broke his way?) Sadly this would reduce Hinata to fodder pairing and yet others would still treat it as the best thing since sliced bread. Just too many holes, seriously. What can SS or NH actually do in the foreseable future to make things overcome the Sakura=Kushina parallel, I mean its a foreshadow event that basically has the closest thing to what Kushina said. Just how much more needs to be said on this stuff, its made for middle schoolers, if they can understand Sakura=Kushina, falling back to my topic of fans making everything harder to understand, just how twisted does this stuff need to become?

 

I think that this just goes to show that some people will choose to believe what they want to believe despite the evidence. Like, if they really liked NaruHina just that much, they may just choose to ignore evidence for NaruSaku or try to twist it to fit in their favor. Honestly, there is no point in arguing with people who don't want to change their views. I think that we should just let them ship what they please, and if they decide to not accept it if Kishi chooses to make NaruSaku canon, then so be it.

 

I'm hoping that Kishi will get the pairing confirmed by the end of the war - that way Kishi can just focus on the main story without having to worry about pairings, which are secondary. Or, I also like the idea NS4L3g had when he said that SS should be destroyed by the end of the war so NaruSaku has a chance to develop without any interference. If a break were to occur between the Naruto vs. Sasuke fight, then this would be an excellent time for Naruto and Sakura to talk about what happened in the Land of Iron, including Naruto's comment about both he and Sasuke dying if they were to battle.

[Inferno180]

 

I think that this just goes to show that some people will choose to believe what they want to believe despite the evidence. Like, if they really liked NaruHina just that much, they may just choose to ignore evidence for NaruSaku or try to twist it to fit in their favor. Honestly, there is no point in arguing with people who don't want to change their views. I think that we should just let them ship what they please, and if they decide to not accept it if Kishi chooses to make NaruSaku canon, then so be it.

 

I'm hoping that Kishi will get the pairing confirmed by the end of the war - that way Kishi can just focus on the main story without having to worry about pairings, which are secondary. Or, I also like the idea NS4L3g had when he said that SS should be destroyed by the end of the war so NaruSaku has a chance to develop without any interference. If a break were to occur between the Naruto vs. Sasuke fight, then this would be an excellent time for Naruto and Sakura to talk about what happened in the Land of Iron, including Naruto's comment about both he and Sasuke dying if they were to battle.

 

I don't bother debating with them most of the time, its not the fans or arguments, its just the arguments themselves, its not that they can be lackluster, its just too many are becoming outright ridiculous and its not that I don't want to reply to them, its how should I? because they are becoming so strange its hard to imagine if some people really are just being serious or just trolling.

 

I mean arguements saying 615 made NH canon, the one thing that kept me going with this with 469 and 540 was "We need more answers, Sasuke was not resolved and there had to be more reasons." And I was right, after 469 Sai himself explained what happened and it was clear that it was not a fake love confession, it was an attempt to get him to safety and make amends for the unintended harm she put on him. Many said Sakura was mean and uncaring of Naruto despite doing the lie hurt her herself a lot and she was truely sad what happened on both sides. Yet Sai also told Naruto what happened and how she was doing it for him, for his wellbeing and safety. When 540 came many took the open road theory thinking NH and SS had smooth sailing but there were still many unresolved issues. Then 615 came and we were still missing a lot like Sakura's reaction had to have purpose (back then), Sasuke was still out there, and at no time did Naruto show his feelings change to Hinata. Yet for NH being "canon" already, if he seriously loved Hinata now, why would he even make a girlfriend comment like that? No one seriously does that, in most cultures, American, Japanse, many European, and other cultures, you remain serious in a relation, otherwise people would think you are just using the other in most cases. Even with 615 passed, 631 giving NS the big Kushina canon, and 635 making an omen for SS (a negative one) there are still loose ends for NS, I mean serious arguments are becoming so few now, I'm almost at a point where it can be hard to take NH or SS seriously when NH has not advanced much even after a big moment like 615 and SS is just going down even more. Yes more will come for them but what will honestly happen? SS is getting ready for a negative moment and what exactly is kishi intending to do with Hinata? I mean 633 just really felt like filler with team 8 and 10. I mean we see Hinata actually make a 64 palms after remembering Nejis instruction and Narutos determination, so she does the technique and barely takes out 1 juubi clone, okay so what did this exactly do for her? She was doing much better in 617 and 629 when she was bolder but now just again, siphoning development off Naruto to improve anything with herself, how exactly did she advance? Is she now worthy of clan leadership because she got the 64 palms done? What about being confident in herself, doing stuff on her own? When is this going to occur with Hinata, I mean this is really all the development left she needs, becoming accepting of herself and seen as a good shinobi by others, as far as things have occurred, what has advanced for NH? I mean seriously, its been moving at such a snail pace, its missing so much, after 633 what exactly are we going to expect from her?

[FrenchMyToast]

Lmao! I so agree with you. Like, I'll see some ridiculous interpretation of a chapter/scene/whatever, and I'm just thinking, "...What? How can you even, what... Please re-read the chapter, without your shipping goggles." Ahaha... But yeah, I don't think anyone would appreciate that lol.

 

A lot of the time it's just desperation. I shouldn't have to explain that Sasuke looking at Sakura or Sakura saying "Sasuke-kun" is not a shipping "moment," but of course, there are people who do think like like that. Imagine if we did that with NS! 

 

Like with the NaruSaku - The Build Up!, all the scenes with Naruto and Sakura interaction were put together (which I love BTW). I don't think anybody here calls all of that interaction, moments, because they aren't. Development is not equal to actual moments between characters, and I think too many people ignore that.

 

 

When it becomes canon not if

 

 I was trying to be politically correct. 

[Hopestar]

Hinata is way too Narutocentric that there's barely any stance on her character alone. Naruto may like and appreciate her but his relations with her isn't on par with Sasuke and Sakura. Plus there's a consistent evidence of Naruto's feelings for Sakura that Kishi doesn't put to rest.

Currently something is up with Sasuke that no one trusts especially Naruto and Sakura should watch out for. Their internal hearts and "the Sasuke issue" is what stands in their for developing a relationship. It would be nice for the romance complex be resolved prior to the fight. It seems that Kishi is now focusing on Sakura development. I remembered years ago he said he would work on first Sasuke then Kakashi later Sakura and lastly Naruto. Now it's Sakura's turn and she won't turn a blind eye to Sasuke, see more power ups, etc...

Of course we have on-screen NS fan, Sai, to save the day again. Pointing out the flaw and deception of Sasuke and he wishes for both his teammates to understand. After all he is outsider looking in & lacks history connection with Sasuke allowing him to make a observation width bias.

[Cherry-Bloss93]

Inferno180: It is interesting how you note that Hinata will usually leech off of Naruto for support. Some people say that Sakura does not understand Nauro at all, and that Hinata does simply because she recites his nindo most of the time during her screen time (not today that Sakura has never been affected by his nindo, b/c she has) - however, what Sakura is trying to prevent from happening to Naruto is exactly what Hinata usually does, which is constantly relying on Naruto. I think that during the recent events in the war, Hinata is finally just beginning to make an effort to help out Naruto instead of needing him o help her out. However, Sakura has been trying to take off his burden from others relying on him for much longer (most notably seen during the Heaven and Earth bridge event). Sakura is the one who truly understands what Naruto is going through, and is the only one in the series (or at least the only female) to demonstrate her worry for HIS wellbeing. Sure Hinata has had her moments, like when she is thankful that Nauto is alive after the Pain incident, but her moments are nothing compared to those of Sakura. To me, Sakura is beginning to look more and more like Naruto's wife - the woman who will support him through his most difficult trials and comfort him in his sadness - Sakura is the one who has made the greatest effort to not rely on him as much and instead support him, emotionally and physically.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I would love an episode length or chapters that is only about NS, like they hang out and all. I noticed that a lot of manga does dedicate to one pairing, and usually it either draws a conclusion or route to it that needs one final push. NS already got them with the confession, but I believe the upside version is needed now.

[Verilance]

I get the feeling that NaruSaku won't happen until the very end of the manga (not that it won't be evident before, heck it is now) I also don't expect any lovey dovey scenes except a kiss to the forehead.

 

It isn't that he is stringing along fans of other pairings, it is just if he is following the pattern I think he is following, NaruSaku is the final payoff

 

He has to save Sasuke then get the girl...

 

of course this is just my opinion and that and $1.50 can get you a cup o' joe...