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[Verilance]

it is the cover of weekly shonen jump issue 8

[swagosaurus]

it is just a picture of the cover but i like the colour scheme

Pink, yellow, and purple?

Those sly dogs.

[Codus N]

The way I see it, the NS/ObiRin scenario happening would probably go like this:

Obito decides to attack Sakura, but Kakashi figures out his intentions and saves her at the last moment. This will give Kakashi the final kick in the arse to get serious. Not only because Obito tried to kill his student, but because he's trying to drag them into their own personal mess. It will be last straw for Kakashi. This scenario would also give NS a hint to Obito's motivations too, leading to talk-no-jutsu.

[Poison_In_Your_Coffee]

It's the same contextual situation. Someone close to him familially (is that a word?) died, Naruto wanted revenge for it. Same with Sasuke. It wasn't the degree of the crime, it was the revenge itself.

Now we have to see Naruto go through what Obito went through. By seeing the one he loves die/get hurt. That's how he's going to get TnJ'd, no doubt.

But he just saw that: someone important get hurt and felt despair and temptation to join Obito to the dark side. If Naruto doesn't need to experience exactly the same as Sasuke to understand him, he doesn't have to experience exactly the same as Obito, either. I'm not saying that Sakura being hurt by Obito and the Rin comparision getting made is impossible, but I don't think it's that likely since Neji already seemed to fill that role.

What gets me is this: Hinata already strengthened Naruto while Obito stood there mocking him after he lost someone important. What effect exactly Sakura's death would have, what would result from it? Sakura dies, so what happens next? Naruto feels sadness and anger, what happens after that? He already felt extreme rage and let go of the control of the fox power in Pain arc. He already saw someone important die in front of him, felt despair and had Obito mock him for it. Then Hinata helped him and he got better. What would Sakura's death provide for the plot that hasn't been provided already by someone else getting hurt or killed? Resolve NS, maybe, but isn't there many easier ways to do that?

Edit. That cover. Naruto should be arrested by the fashion police and tried in the court of fashion.

Edited by Poison_In_Your_Coffee, 16 January 2013 - 04:18 AM.

[kirabook]

Probably doesn't mean anything, but they threw a lot of pink in there with the blue. XD Indication of pairing wars?

*I don't think that's purple U_U Purple is my favorite color, that's more of a blue indigo*

P.S: Seriously Kishi, get more creative with the covers. Every cover you get you draw Naruto like that. >.>

Edited by kirabook, 16 January 2013 - 04:19 AM.

[swagosaurus]

What gets me is this: Hinata already strengthened Naruto while Obito stood there mocking him after he lost someone important. What effect exactly Sakura's death would have, what would result from it? Sakura dies, so what happens next? Naruto feels sadness and anger, what happens after that? He already felt extreme rage and let go of the control of the fox power in Pain arc. He already saw someone important die in front of him, felt despair and had Obito mock him for it. Then Hinata helped him and he got better. What would Sakura's death provide for the plot that hasn't been provided already by someone else getting hurt or killed? Resolve NS, maybe, but isn't there many easier ways to do that?

Proving Obito wrong, directly. Obito is trying to push his buttons, and turn him to the dark side; he's not going to fail because Neji, a side character and one of Naruto's friends, died.

Obito watched the girl he loved die in front of him. That's the point. She wasn't just a friend to him. Naruto was upset because Neji died, and Hinata cheered him up. Though it's up to interpretation, I don't think he was even close to falling into despair.

If he was, that's just poor characterization of a hero.

Think about Neji's death in comparison to Rin's. It's emphasis and sadness was done in less than a chapter. At the end of 615, we have Hinata fangirling about Naruto's hand and Naruto already pumped up to kick some ass. Neither of them were truly affected by it in a permanent way.

Meanwhile, Obito is apathetic and uncaring, and still consistently mourns Rin's death. It drives his actions.

Edited by swagosaurus, 16 January 2013 - 04:21 AM.

[merryGOflava]

it is just a picture of the cover but i like the colour scheme

is this the new one?? or is this a old one?

[TouKen4Life3g]

it is just a picture of the cover but i like the colour scheme

I got to be honest, that's one relief down. It will be weak to have NH in the front magazine cover. Ha! Even Naruto and Sakura got a cover with only each other! Beat that.

Ahem, sorry. Thanks for sharing.

[Poison_In_Your_Coffee]

Proving Obito wrong, directly. Obito is trying to push his buttons, and turn him to the dark side; he's not going to fail because Neji, a side character and one of Naruto's friends, died.

Obito watched the girl he loved die in front of him. That's the point. She wasn't just a friend to him. Naruto was upset because Neji died, and Hinata cheered him up. Though it's up to interpretation, I don't think he was even close to falling into despair.

If he was, that's just poor characterization of a hero.

Think about Neji's death in comparison to Rin's. It's emphasis and sadness was done in less than a chapter. At the end of 615, we have Hinata fangirling about Naruto's hand and Naruto already pumped up to kick some ass. Neither of them were truly affected by it in a permanent way.

Meanwhile, Obito is apathetic and uncaring, and still consistently mourns Rin's death. It drives his actions.

Yeah, but what is it exactly that happens? Naruto just stands there and shrugs, "well there's other fish in the sea. Oh, hi Hinata!"? Will he go nuts with grief? How he will calm down and so on?

If anything, I think it's Hinata who Obito might now target as Naruto's Rin. As far as he sees, Hinata is the girl Naruto is standing close to and holding hands. He can easily make the wrong conclusion and attack her. This might be a good way to make NH canon, too. Or not:

Obito: *attacks Hinata* Die, Naruto's Rin, so he may understand!
Hinata: I'm not his Rin!
Naruto: What? Who's Rin?
Hinata: This girl Obito loved and lost.
Naruto: You mean like how I love Sakura?
Hinata: Damn!
Obito:
Sakura: Yikes!

[Chucky-kun]

Pink, yellow, and purple?

Those sly dogs.

Well, if NH was canon, wouldn't it just be Yellow and blue?

[TouKen4Life3g]

Yeah, but what is it exactly that happens? Naruto just stands there and shrugs, "well there's other fish in the sea. Oh, hi Hinata!"? Will he go nuts with grief? How he will calm down and so on?

If anything, I think it's Hinata who Obito might now target as Naruto's Rin. As far as he sees, Hinata is the girl Naruto is standing close to and holding hands. He can easily make the wrong conclusion and attack her. This might be a good way to make NH canon, too. Or not:

Obito: *attacks Hinata* Die, Naruto's Rin, so he may understand!
Hinata: I'm not his Rin!
Naruto: What? Who's Rin?
Hinata: This girl Obito loved and lost.
Naruto: You mean like how I love Sakura?
Hinata: Damn!
Obito:
Sakura: Yikes!

Lol that will be funny. Not sure if Kishi do something like that. To me I think Kishi will find the best way to satisfy Hinata fans without being rejected. Like slowly fade out or you know, "Oh, you love her. I should be sad, but instead, I am happy, Naruto-Kun," or anything similar.

[Fenris]

wait so if thats the cover that means the raws are released~!?

[swagosaurus]

Yeah, but what is it exactly that happens? Naruto just stands there and shrugs, "well there's other fish in the sea. Oh, hi Hinata!"? Will he go nuts with grief? How he will calm down and so on?

If anything, I think it's Hinata who Obito might now target as Naruto's Rin. As far as he sees, Hinata is the girl Naruto is standing close to and holding hands. He can easily make the wrong conclusion and attack her. This might be a good way to make NH canon, too. Or not:

Obito: *attacks Hinata* Die, Naruto's Rin, so he may understand!
Hinata: I'm not his Rin!
Naruto: What? Who's Rin?
Hinata: This girl Obito loved and lost.
Naruto: You mean like how I love Sakura?
Hinata: Damn!
Obito:
Sakura: Yikes!

He would overcome true despair. Hinata has nothing to do with it.

But why would Kishi have Obito attack Rin when she's not even a part of the Team 7/Team Minata parallel? If he forces Hinata into Rin's/Sakura's place...I give up on trying to understand what goes on in Kishi's head.

And NH won't be canon; no pairings will be until the end. Hence why I believe he's wrapping up Hinata and NH all in one go to focus on the original Team 7 love triangle in the final arcs. Remember, Hinata IS NH. It's literally her whole character. And this is the arc where all side characters are getting resolved.

Who knows, next chapter Naruto might just let go of Hinata's hand and go give other people chakra as well.

Well, if NH was canon, wouldn't it just be Yellow and blue?

Love triangle, bro.

Edited by swagosaurus, 16 January 2013 - 04:37 AM.

[Sojobo]

Yeah, but what is it exactly that happens? Naruto just stands there and shrugs, "well there's other fish in the sea. Oh, hi Hinata!"? Will he go nuts with grief? How he will calm down and so on?

If anything, I think it's Hinata who Obito might now target as Naruto's Rin. As far as he sees, Hinata is the girl Naruto is standing close to and holding hands. He can easily make the wrong conclusion and attack her. This might be a good way to make NH canon, too. Or not:

Obito: *attacks Hinata* Die, Naruto's Rin, so he may understand!
Hinata: I'm not his Rin!
Naruto: What? Who's Rin?
Hinata: This girl Obito loved and lost.
Naruto: You mean like how I love Sakura?
Hinata: Damn!
Obito:
Sakura: Yikes!

I can't see this happening cause there are a lot of characters that has to shine, and if the girl who Naruto is in love with has to be attacked by Obito, it has to happen nearly the end of the battle, just before Naruto will defeat Obito.
This battle will not stop after Neji's death and Hinata's fanservice. Shikamaru, Ino, Kakashi, Sai, Sakura, and a lot of other characters will appear and shine one after the other like Kishimoto confirmed in his interview.
In my point of view, it isn't that positive for Hinata to be the first one making appearence in this battle.
The beginning is never decisive.

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

But he just saw that: someone important get hurt and felt despair and temptation to join Obito to the dark side. If Naruto doesn't need to experience exactly the same as Sasuke to understand him, he doesn't have to experience exactly the same as Obito, either. I'm not saying that Sakura being hurt by Obito and the Rin comparision getting made is impossible, but I don't think it's that likely since Neji already seemed to fill that role.

What gets me is this: Hinata already strengthened Naruto while Obito stood there mocking him after he lost someone important. What effect exactly Sakura's death would have, what would result from it? Sakura dies, so what happens next? Naruto feels sadness and anger, what happens after that? He already felt extreme rage and let go of the control of the fox power in Pain arc. He already saw someone important die in front of him, felt despair and had Obito mock him for it. Then Hinata helped him and he got better. What would Sakura's death provide for the plot that hasn't been provided already by someone else getting hurt or killed? Resolve NS, maybe, but isn't there many easier ways to do that?

Edit. That cover. Naruto should be arrested by the fashion police and tried in the court of fashion.

Here's the problem here. Naruto did finally understand Sasuke as he claimed but despite this, Sasuke remains unchanged. Using the 'Sasuke logic', if Naruto told him that he knows how it feels to lose someone, would you honestly think he would listen? No. Besides the fact that Sasuke is one stubborn pain in the ass (I say that affectionately ) , it makes sense why. He'd say "You still don't understand, Naruto! You never knew your parents for years and then found them dead! Don't go preaching this to me." Basically, it's not so much as Naruto being able to be the understander as it is for Sasuke to be the understandee. Which he isn't and wouldn't be, knowing his personality.

My point is, using Sasuke as an example isn't working. It largely depends on Obito's personality. He's not Sasuke. However, would he be able to be redeemed by a talk no jutsu just because Naruto lost his friend? We can't say yet. I somehow doubt so. When Naruto finally got back on track, Obito just got angry and decided to attack again. He clearly didn't really waver then. Might this change when Naruto talk no jutsued him next chapter? We can't say. For all we know, Obito could still pull a "You don't understand! You never saw the woman you loved killed right before your eyes!" line, like Sasuke would over Naruto understanding him.

Different contextual situations. On both of these, Naruto just lost his friend (With Hinata, it was her getting almost killed, the village getting destroyed, Jiraiya dying, Kakashi etc.) On my end, it provides character development. Naruto redeems himself by not giving into the darkness like he did with Neji, remembers his ninja way, and sets himself apart from Obito. Naruto doing that all on his own= growing up/character development. I like this idea because I'm still not happy he gave up so easily in 615.

I get what you're saying though. Maybe Neji is the "Rin". But again, Kishimoto can easily take the Sakura hurt/dying role without seeming forced. The potential is there.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Am I the only one here is actually glad that the cover isn't NH? I must admit, that got me cool down. Sure, we still have color spread left, but yeah, Kishi could be in the right mind. I like the cover. I don't even know where the pink comes from. Er, did Naruto ever mention that he loves the color pink? Just asking.

[Fenris]

Am I the only one here is actually glad that the cover isn't NH? I must admit, that got me cool down. Sure, we still have color spread left, but yeah, Kishi could be in the right mind. I like the cover. I don't even know where the pink comes from. Er, did Naruto ever mention that he loves the color pink? Just asking.

Just sayin

[swagosaurus]

My point is, using Sasuke as an example isn't working. It largely depends on Obito's personality. He's not Sasuke. However, would he be able to be redeemed by a talk no jutsu just because Naruto lost his friend? We can't say yet. I somehow doubt so. When Naruto finally got back on track, Obito just got angry and decided to attack again. He clearly didn't really waver then. Might this change when Naruto talk no jutsued him next chapter? We can't say. For all we know, Obito could still pull a "You don't understand! You never saw the woman you loved killed right before your eyes!" line, like Sasuke would over Naruto understanding him.

Bolded: Not gonna lie, I would fanboy so hard if that line happened.

I want to write a fic with that line now.

Damn it.

[Sojobo]

Well, I never believed in this NH cover anyway.
I'm curious about this chapter. I wonder what Hinata will do against something like Juubi. She obviously doesn't have the strenght to hurt that monster...

[Poison_In_Your_Coffee]

Here's the problem here. Naruto did finally understand Sasuke as he claimed but despite this, Sasuke remains unchanged. Using the 'Sasuke logic', if Naruto told him that he knows how it feels to lose someone, would you honestly think he would listen? No. Besides the fact that Sasuke is one stubborn pain in the ass (I say that affectionately ) , it makes sense why. He'd say "You still don't understand, Naruto! You never knew your parents for years and then found them dead! Don't go preaching this to me." Basically, it's not so much as Naruto being able to be the understander as it is for Sasuke to be the understandee. Which he isn't and wouldn't be, knowing his personality.

My point is, using Sasuke as an example isn't working. It largely depends on Obito's personality. He's not Sasuke. However, would he be able to be redeemed by a talk no jutsu just because Naruto lost his friend? We can't say yet. I somehow doubt so. When Naruto finally got back on track, Obito just got angry and decided to attack again. He clearly didn't really waver then. Might this change when Naruto talk no jutsued him next chapter? We can't say. For all we know, Obito could still pull a "You don't understand! You never saw the woman you loved killed right before your eyes!" line, like Sasuke would over Naruto understanding him.

Different contextual situations. On both of these, Naruto just lost his friend (With Hinata, it was her getting almost killed, the village getting destroyed, Jiraiya dying, Kakashi etc.) On my end, it provides character development. Naruto redeems himself by not giving into the darkness like he did with Neji, remembers his ninja way, and sets himself apart from Obito. Naruto doing that all on his own= growing up/character development. I like this idea because I'm still not happy he gave up so easily in 615.

I get what you're saying though. Maybe Neji is the "Rin". But again, Kishimoto can easily take the Sakura hurt/dying role without seeming forced. The potential is there.

I can see what you are saying even though I don't completely agree. The potential is certainly there. Personally I would prefer to have Kakashi be the one to get through to Obito. He actually met Rin, unlike Naruto.

Bolded: Well, if the final pairing is going to be NH, then Naruto could say that he saw the woman he loved almost get killed in front of him. Would that work on Obito?

Edited by Poison_In_Your_Coffee, 16 January 2013 - 04:44 AM.