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[Liu bie]

 

 

What does Sasuke have to do with evil!Naruto (if anything evil!Naruto will mirror Obito)? And why would Sakura follow Sasuke? Because he thanked her once? That's absurd.

Your right it is absurd.  About Naruto betraying Sakura, he has to be the evil Naruto once inside of him.

[Sedna]

This thread is moving slow.

[BlazingDynamo]

Its really just a matter of time though until we see how NS could go canon, I mean just in a nutshell:

 

NH is the easy one because its just right there, its literally right there, just waiting as an easy answer, it doesn't need anything but doing this would just be dumb and weak, its like, kishi had the chance, he had plenty of chances, and for a character who always tried hard to achieve his dreams, doesn't it seem contradictory to just have something come for him regardless of development and screentime? I know heroes should get a break, but even this needs reasons beyond Hinata just loving him, I mean its the lesser of 2 evils, I would rather this occur than SS, but even then, its still a big toxic result to the story. I mean its now the final battle, and naruto still loves sakura, and people dont see this as a problem, when sakura herself is still also changing in regards to naruto and sasuke? One of the major reasons I dislike NH is because its just too simple and convinent, the other, its the fan perception of Hinata and her importance when she isn't the most major, given her big moments could have gone somewhere, but to even where naruto has not given a return notion to her by either the hand holding (rather nejis death took precidence here) nor the confession from pain, only remembering that she did defend him, that is it, and frankly, if we got so much hints and development on NS at this point, even with sakura getting many more roles with naruto (the hug, reviving him, meeting minato) hinata should have had if we were to believe she was the intented love interest, then yeah I would give it more credit but no this is why even now, it may not even be necessary to fulfill this event, kishi would leave the confession unaddressed from hinata and still end the manga with NS with no real harm, even this would be more acceptable than madara using sussano with no eyes or the laws of the naruto verse being rewritten every 3 chapters in battle. At this point, there is no major even purpose for NH beyond just closure if you ask me, its too late to build so it should just get concluded and thats it, NS is still the big picture pairing at this point.

 

SS well, yeah we can simply say its the biggest mess and with what sasuke is currently doing, it is just not even slavagable at this point, I mean if Sakura still just loves sasuke to the point this would still be referred to as a bad time in their relationship, to where even the intent to kill naruto, her best friend, and her own sensei tsunade, this would just be a continued abberentive feeling on sakuras own character development if you ask me, I mean yes she can like sasuke as a friend and forgive him like naruto has, that is understandable, but the point I am making is, one thing I like from characters I follow, is that they have come to learn something in the time they have gone through their trials and for sakura, literally its not more clear that simply learning the difference between what she thought was important and what she truly knows is important, this sounds very basic and thats because it is, basically part of her development is just ironically needing to know who is more important to her like that old saying the most important things are always the ones around you, because I know it won't harm NS, but even if Sakura is still fixiated on Sasuke, even after all this, I really just wish there would be something to have well, she learned from all this, because even then, SS is just pointless, it solves nothing, it never has any reason or impact on sasuke, even if he did come back and was like in part 1 again, it would still be nothing granted to occur. SS is just a void plot element, there is nothing redeemable or fulfilling with it, like NH it would only be a half assed deal of sasuke getting better "because sakura hoped for it" and frankly, I never liked this "because they always hoped for it" deal, people can prey, have faith, believe all they want, but this means nothing unless something is done physically, something is done to invoke an action to cause that change, nothing ever gets accomplished by believing, because thats just well, a mental aspect of a deal that things will get better, the deal is, its better when faith and physical action go together to make that occurrence come, but for SS this is not the case, even with both, because as before, this still has no impact or importance on Sasuke and his character, hell even in the coming movie he looks like an outcast,  still intent on a revolution with his rinnegan. To me, there is nothing that can make this pairing acceptable, it would just be a horrendous scar for sakuras development and sasukes character, it would literally be the poo stain on the story of naruto, really, it just seems like a cancer that just needs to die off for good. Sakura can like sasuke as a friend and forgive him, it makes sense from 675 that her feelings changed and its declined from love but she wants to help him the same way naruto has, SS can go as friendship, but thats it. Because honestly, in the coming battle, she is going to support naruto, she supports his dream, she is been freaking hinted 3 times as the girl like kushina, the first 2 making this really clear with the second meeting minato being the most direct. Seriously to most people the aspect of seeing the ending as sakura once hated naruto to have coming to love him is the most paradoxing thing to them, its like the universe would impolde if that happened or it would ruin the story, at this point, part of me feels that part of sakuras ending development can only be justified if she learned something from this long mentality trait, that love is not ideal, its something that grows from one you know and come to like for a long time, for her to go through this whole journey never learning or having this change is like the biggest forgone development she could have had. I have faith that this will change, but honestly if it didn't that would be really really unusual and well, it would make me see sakura as unaccomplished, that this is something she should have experienced or gained, I mean naruto has grown up, sasuke is not playing around anymore, sakura surely should have changed too and this new conflict should do something to her, the fact naruto is marked for death should have an impact on her, the fact sasuke wants to kill tsunade as well, there has to be some way she is impacted by this in the coming chapters. Like naruto she doesn't need to give up hope on sasuke being better in the end, but honestly, I think its reasonable to say that she comes to terms with realizing the difference between ideal and real love, because honestly, its a good question in itself, how does sakura feel about naruto? She "loves" sasuke yet has spent most of her time, her mutual and positive interaction and growth has been involved with naruto and much of what she has done has also impacted naruto himself. The fact these 2 have spent so much time together, even with naruto still loving sakura after the fake confession and sakura coming to support narutos dream, to keep him alive for it to see it come, frankly, you don't see this stuff with any other pairings, this is the stuff that most would say is the material to make a believable pairing, yet most other fans would flock and say NH or SS, and thats what I find hard to believe, because all of "this" that has happened with NS, all we have seen in the manga, I would be shocked at this point if it didn't happen, even more now that the 3rd kushina foreshadow recently came. You know there will be some end result, some end pairing, and for it to only be naruto and a girl like kushina, being sakura still alone as that girl at this point, all signs still point to NS.

Omg I'm not gonna lie this made me shed tears I had to copy and paste it. Thank you so much! I feel so confident again you just made my confidence go up to 95%

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

Dark NaruSaku angst fics are kind of in-between: I either love them or I hate them. NaruSaku isn't particularly a dark pairing at all ... the closest you can get to angst with them is guilt of being unworthy of each other or Naruto sad on Sakura's feelings for Sasuke. Because of how NS is, I'd have to find a really well-written dark fanfic that's realistic and could've possibly happened. That's not always easy to find.

 

I like angst , but angst with substance. The reason why SS never appealed to me despite it's angst is because Sasuke never really cared enough to spark interest. Angst isn't interesting when only one character suffers the full brunt of it and not the other.  I look for mutually complicated ships.

 

I've seen quite a few "NaruSaku" fanfics where Sakura cheats on Naruto with Sasuke ... there's something about this that immediately turns me off every time because of the sheer OCCness. It's usually portray Naruto emo and furious that seems a little exaggerated ... sure Naruto would be angry, but it's like they intentionally forget Naruto's forgiving nature. Especially Sakura being so OCC doing that in the first place.

Edited by xxRomanceGirlxx, 20 September 2014 - 04:02 AM.

[narulsaku]

Dark NaruSaku angst fics are kind of in-between: I either love them or I hate them. NaruSaku isn't particularly a dark pairing at all ... the closest you can get to angst with them is guilt of being unworthy of each other or Naruto sad on Sakura's feelings for Sasuke. Because of how NS is, I'd have to find a really well-written dark fanfic that's realistic and could've possibly happened. That's not always easy to find.
 
I like angst , but angst with substance. The reason why SS never appealed to me despite it's angst is because Sasuke never really cared enough to spark interest. Angst isn't interesting when only one character suffers the full brunt of it and not the other.  I look for mutually complicated ships.
 
I've seen quite a few "NaruSaku" fanfics where Sakura cheats on Naruto with Sasuke ... there's something about this that immediately turns me off every time because of the sheer OCCness. It's usually portray Naruto emo and furious that seems a little exaggerated ... sure Naruto would be angry, but it's like they intentionally forget Naruto's forgiving nature. Especially Sakura being so OCC doing that in the first place.

i agree with you. But its just our fantasy that takes us where things shouldnt go. Like ss fans . 90-95% of their theories , honestly , are crap. Atleast NH fans have something to debate with. And dark fanfics . I often stay away from them.

[NaruSaku fan in Kentucky]

i agree with you. But its just our fantasy that takes us where things shouldnt go. Like ss fans . 90-95% of their theories , honestly , are crap. Atleast NH fans have something to debate with. And dark fanfics . I often stay away from them.

Me too.

[Shadow1275]

Dark NaruSaku angst fics are kind of in-between: I either love them or I hate them. NaruSaku isn't particularly a dark pairing at all ... the closest you can get to angst with them is guilt of being unworthy of each other or Naruto sad on Sakura's feelings for Sasuke. Because of how NS is, I'd have to find a really well-written dark fanfic that's realistic and could've possibly happened. That's not always easy to find.

 

I like angst , but angst with substance. The reason why SS never appealed to me despite it's angst is because Sasuke never really cared enough to spark interest. Angst isn't interesting when only one character suffers the full brunt of it and not the other.  I look for mutually complicated ships.

 

I've seen quite a few "NaruSaku" fanfics where Sakura cheats on Naruto with Sasuke ... there's something about this that immediately turns me off every time because of the sheer OCCness. It's usually portray Naruto emo and furious that seems a little exaggerated ... sure Naruto would be angry, but it's like they intentionally forget Naruto's forgiving nature. Especially Sakura being so OCC doing that in the first place.

Angst can be incredibly moving when done correctly. However with SasuSaku this is simply not the case.

 

First off how did Sakura ever come to love Sasuke at all??? Sure he might be considered good-looking and he's awesome at jutsu but he rejected her every chance he got and acted very stand-offish. Than he left her after dropping a bomb on her confession and after several chapters of distance between them he tried to kill her? Where is the development for romantic feelings??? Where is the reason for why it even grew?

 

Second, why should Sasuke even be ticked off and angsty? He had people who cared for him and supported him, had a bright future amongst the Konoha ninja corps, and even had a brother who understood him. I can sort of understand why but he still had a great life. Hell he even had the respect of the village compared to Naruto who was percieved as a demon and at best an idiot.

 

Don't get me wrong, SasuSaku has some great dramatic pairing moments but for the life of me I can't wrap my mind around it besides it simply existing as a romantic false lead. Curse Kishimoto. Who knows what goes on in the Troll haven that is his mind   

[DarkRadeon]

Man its hard to argue when NH bring up the brother sister argument for NS

[elmas]

Man its hard to argue when NH bring up the brother sister argument for NS

Yeah.Brother calls his sister his girlfriend in front of his dead dad.Whatever this argument sucks...

[六道仙人]

Sakura-neechan!!

[TouKen4Life3g]

Sakura-neechan!!

Konohamaru?

[elmas]

Konohamaru?

Nooooo!Sasuke.

[SuperSilverStar]

Man its hard to argue when NH bring up the brother sister argument for NS

Well how about the fact that each one (of them) is an only child? I think it would be hard for them to think of each other as siblings when they never had one and don't really know what kind of a relationship that is.

[elmas]

Naruto=Hinata-channnnn...

Naruto=Sakura

Definetly no.

[六道仙人]

Konohamaru?

 

NO! Naruto with his sister Sakura.

[TouKen4Life3g]

 
NO! Naruto with his sister Sakura.

Oh. Sorry. Woke up.

[Syn11]

Bleh, Sakura and Naruto's relationship can be seen as frienship (just frienship from Sakura's POV), but Sakura has never thought of Naruto as her brother or someone like that. Too much romantic undertone in their interaction for us to consider sibling argument. The brother theme concerns Sasuke and Naruto... Sakura has nothing to do with this. Unless... Rikudo had a daughter.

Edited by Syn11, 20 September 2014 - 09:50 AM.

[Alessa]

Not For the Faint Of Heart

Sakura cheating on Naruto with Sasuke before they recite their wedding vows because deep down she still had lingering feelings for Sasuke. She later finds out that Naruto isn't the father of their child, but she keeps this all a secret because their marriage is going great and this is the family that she always wanted. Naruto eventually finds out he isn't the father when the child develops the Sharingan.

 

P.S. This is the pg version.

Oh god. I don't read fanfiction, but this is just over the top awful. Even your pg summary has killed me. I am not saying that NS in the future could not have marital problems or smth, but such betrayal is inhuman and unacceptable. This reminds me of the drama that goes on around me with a lot of people I know and it is the part of reality that I don't want to accept.

I like dark NS when it is about them loosing Sasuke or having to make tough decisions as leaders of the shinobi world. I would say that this and what Syn11 proposed is "dark", while what you described is "ugly".

[Alessa]

I like angst , but angst with substance. The reason why SS never appealed to me despite it's angst is because Sasuke never really cared enough to spark interest. Angst isn't interesting when only one character suffers the full brunt of it and not the other.  I look for mutually complicated ships.

I agree completely. I quit SS shipping around the begining of Part 2 mostly because of this. Kishimoto had to give at least some hints of feelings for Sakura on Sasuke's side to make this ship alluring to me. Simple "thank you" in the end of Part 1 was just a joke in shipping sense, though very touching. I mean, this was an utter rejection of Sakura's confession and confirmation that Sasuke cares and notices, but not in romantic sense. And this is still (many years since) the highest point of SS - their most intimate interaction. Kishimoto lost his chance to give some viability to this pairing in Part 1 and there were no convenient circumstances to develop the ship in Part 2 since Sasuke and Sakura had almost no interactions. And this is sad for me. I would love to see more life in SS as long as it doesn't affect NS becoming canon. I would like some healthy and meaningful competition, not what we have now. Sakura's feelings would also look much less unnatural and dragged out. If there was more life in this pairing, I think that Kishi would not have to drag out Sakura's weird infatutation till the very end. I mean, like we have it now - she just "loves" Sasuke and this is the story, no matter what Naruto or Sasuke does, just wait for the final confrontation. We could actually see her move her gaze in Naruto's direction while genuinely and meaningfuly contemplating the actual existing sense of her relationship with Sasuke.

 

 

Second, why should Sasuke even be ticked off and angsty? He had people who cared for him and supported him, had a bright future amongst the Konoha ninja corps, and even had a brother who understood him. I can sort of understand why but he still had a great life. Hell he even had the respect of the village compared to Naruto who was percieved as a demon and at best an idiot.

I cannot agree with you on that one. This is the nature of trauma. You don't have to be miserable in many aspects of your life to be damaged. And good life after "the damage" doesn't cure you.

 

Imagine a person who has everything in his life - family, friends, money and hobbies. He is also a mature and strong person. And then he passes near the bridge and sees a woman who jumps of it - a suicide. He is not related to this woman and he can do nothing to save her. There is no reason for this to affect his way of life. But he is traumatized, he can't help it and his life slowly falls apart. He drives out his family, hurts his friends, quits his job and can't do anything constructive with his life. He falls ill and lives in depression. We studied such cases. This is more normal and often than you might think.

They say that this is when senses of life and death come in contradiction in person's perspective. He cannot integarate senses of death in his vision of life. They are just so different. His psychic doesn't know how to handle such experience and this is the new part of himself that he can't integrate in his personality in any way. Imagine complete and utter rejection and helplessness in front of this experience. Psychic doesn't work that way. It requires processing and integration.The person rejects this experience and that is why he is left with repeating flashbacks, deteriorating health and emotional problems.

 

You could say that each personality is an arrow into the future. We constantly develop and change. It is our nature to always be extended forward. The traumatized person stops. Just stops. He can't make a step forward. It is an absolute stagnation. He is captured by traumatic experience and cannot escape it. This is an unnatural and damaged condition. NO new experience can change this, because this person can't process new experience if he doesn't integrate the traumatic one. All new experiences become overshadowed by the content of traumatic fixation. His whole personality becomes defined by it. That is why therapists work with this person by helping him adress the traumatic memories, by helping him understand the meaning of what has happened to him and how this can affect him.

IN Beslan, Russia, for example, there was a massacre of children by terrorosts in 2004 (300 dead).  When we came to some houses of mothers during my practice at university in 2012, we could see that a lot of mothers kept their dead children's rooms just as they were the day they died. They refuse to even move furniture. They go to children's graves every day and they phone and speak to other mothers about the events of 2004 over and over again. They do almost nothing else. Their whole life is almost identical to what they did the day the tragedy happened. They talk about their dead children in present tense and they always stay the same age in their descriptions, despite their image living with them every day. Their can't imagine how their children would develop if they didn't die. It was surreal. Like the time has stopped for these women.

 

Look at Sasuke. He has suffered an ENORMOUS trauma. His trust was betrayed, his beloved brother has turned into a monster and his whole world has been massacred. How could he integrate such experinece in his vision of the world? He rejects it even now. He can't think of anything else even after getting an explanation. He is stuck. He doesn't know how to BE when something like that has happened. He doesn't know how to move forward and not be shattered. He still lives in that fateful night, his tommorow never came. That is why Sasuke is so asexual, cold and angsty. There is no place in his world for anything except his trauma. And that is why he connects with Naruto in his child form (remember the fight it the Valley of the End). The only working personality he has is that of a child before the trauma.

Edited by Alessa, 20 September 2014 - 11:56 AM.

[Paul Blowfish]

Bleh, Sakura and Naruto's relationship can be seen as frienship (just frienship from Sakura's POV), but Sakura has never thought of Naruto as her brother or someone like that. Too much romantic undertone in their interaction for us to consider sibling argument. The brother theme concerns Sasuke and Naruto... Sakura has nothing to do with this. Unless... Rikudo had a daughter.

Exactly. Friendship? Sure. Brother and Sister? Don't even. I mean, how can you look at them as brother and sister when it's been clear that Naruto has and has displayed romantic feelings for her? Or were those long forgotten? Or do people think they don't exist or do people just forget that they ever did exist?
( Correct me if I'm wrong with all that past tense and present stuff )

Edited by Paul Blowfish, 20 September 2014 - 01:23 PM.