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[rocci]

A confession like in Card Carptor Sakura.

Naruto poal remind me a lot when syaoran assured sakura after yukito reject her confession.

I think naruto confession would like shaman king.

[BlazingDynamo]

Naruto poal remind me a lot when syaoran assured sakura after yukito reject her confession.

I think naruto confession would like shaman king.

Shaman King?

[rocci]

Shaman King?

Yoh and Anna flashback arc.

[Illnevergiveup3]

if we saw the cover of chapter 294 we would see that Kakashi's face looks fine. I think he wears it just to wear it. Since Kakashi is such a reserved ninja, it makes sense since he doesn't reveal much about himself.

Edited by Illnevergiveup3, 19 September 2014 - 05:32 AM.

[Liu bie]

Naruto poal remind me a lot when syaoran assured sakura after yukito reject her confession.

I think naruto confession would like shaman king.

Naruto comforting Sakura  I like that.

[Alessa]

Lol. Don't you have some... plot fantasies which are not necessarily M-rated?

No.

I mean, everything beyond confession\first kiss and becoming canon is pretty much all M-rated. I hate family lovey-dovey stuff and I hate to even think that Sakura will have kids one day. So not much left.

 

I do like to imagine what would happen in case it all doesn't turn out very well in the end of the manga. I mean, if Sakura and Naruto don't get a romantic ending in the official plot. Not NH coming true, but the whole ending of Naruto manga not being a happy-ending at all. Like if Sasuke dies and Naruto and Sakura will have a lot to go through before they can trust each other again and not feel guilty looking in each other's eyes. Or if Sakura doesn't give up on Sasuke even after his death (like Tsunade and her lover) and it all drags on into adult-years. Or there are some complications with Naruto's personality or health due to his fight with Sasuke. Or there are drastic changes in the world itself due to the fact that all people have spent some time in Infinite Tsukiomi (World War Z anyone?). In these cases I like to imagine Hokage (Naruto) ruling the Leaf village with his right hand (Sakura) - still not as a couple but as comrades, loving each other but not being able to adress it yet. And then I imagine them resolving world's problems and going on advanced missions anbu-style together. There would be people willing to destroy Naruto's course of reformation and there would be enemies in the village as well, assassination attempts and such. And Naruto would have to rely on smart Shikamaru and Sakura to deal with internal threats. I like politics and I like when romance is developed through action, big decisions and sacrifices. I do like to imagine mature adult drama between the two, underlined by the responsibility they both have for their village and world's well-being.

 

I do want the issue of canon pairing to be resolved by the end of the manga and I want a happy ending for NS, but I also like the possible drama of NS developing and coming to full fruition in the new world that Naruto as Hokage creates, slowly and with difficulty. There would be no Sasuke as a living source of conflict in Sakura's heart, but she would be burdened by his death. She would become the true fighter and leader side by side with Naruto as she would completely focus on making Naruto's vision of the world  come true and see the true reformation through as one of its main forces. There is a lot Tsunade\Jiraya-themed drama in this story, but still with a happy ending for NS, but even more solid, since their bond would be absolute.

Edited by Alessa, 19 September 2014 - 07:50 AM.

[DarkRadeon]

Is this real?

 

[FireFox]

Is this real?

 

Yes it is , but there is a thread for that so if you want to discuss it go here http://www.narusaku....=13039&page=258

Edited by NarutoFireFoxUzumaki, 19 September 2014 - 08:27 AM.

[Hiraishin]

No.
I mean, everything beyond confession\first kiss and becoming canon is pretty much all M-rated. I hate family lovey-dovey stuff and I hate to even think that Sakura will have kids one day. So not much left.
 
I do like to imagine what would happen in case it all doesn't turn out very well in the end of the manga. I mean, if Sakura and Naruto don't get a romantic ending in the official plot. Not NH coming true, but the whole ending of Naruto manga not being a happy-ending at all. Like if Sasuke dies and Naruto and Sakura will have a lot to go through before they can trust each other again and not feel guilty looking in each other's eyes. Or if Sakura doesn't give up on Sasuke even after his death (like Tsunade and her lover) and it all drags on into adult-years. Or there are some complications with Naruto's personality or health due to his fight with Sasuke. Or there are drastic changes in the world itself due to the fact that all people have spent some time in Infinite Tsukiomi (World War Z anyone?). In these cases I like to imagine Hokage (Naruto) ruling the Leaf village with his right hand (Sakura) - still not as a couple but as comrades, loving each other but not being able to adress it yet. And then I imagine them resolving world's problems and going on advanced missions anbu-style together. There would be people willing to destroy Naruto's course of reformation and there would be enemies in the village as well, assassination attempts and such. And Naruto would have to rely on smart Shikamaru and Sakura to deal with internal threats. I like politics and I like when romance is developed through action, big decisions and sacrifices. I do like to imagine mature adult drama between the two, underlined by the responsibility they both have for their village and world's well-being.
 
I do want the issue of canon pairing to be resolved by the end of the manga and I want a happy ending for NS, but I also like the possible drama of NS developing and coming to full fruition in the new world that Naruto as Hokage creates, slowly and with difficulty. There would be no Sasuke as a living source of conflict in Sakura's heart, but she would be burdened by his death. She would become the true fighter and leader side by side with Naruto as she would completely focus on making Naruto's vision of the world  come true and see the true reformation through as one of its main forces. There is a lot Tsunade\Jiraya-themed drama in this story, but still with a happy ending for NS, but even more solid, since their bond would be absolute.

why wouldn't they be able to trust each other?

And I don't see why that can't all happen with Sasuke alive and NS an official couple. They have all the development they need, all that really needs to happen how is for them to communicate a little bit and finally become canon.

[Alessa]

why wouldn't they be able to trust each other?

And I don't see why that can't all happen with Sasuke alive and NS an official couple. They have all the development they need, all that really needs to happen how is for them to communicate a little bit and finally become canon.

The topic was about fantasies, right? Did I miss something?

This is just the kind of stories I like to think about. It doesn't contradict with me wishing NS becomes canon in the end of this manga and seeing all the development present for this to happen (though I've got yet to see how Kishimoto handles Sakura's giving up on Sasuke as it seems a bit forced now).

All the Hokage\right hand\saving the world stuff can perfectly happen when Naruto and Sakura are a couple already. Again, we were talking about fantasies. I don't like family and harmony stuff, I like when the conflict is still present and issues are not resolved. Raw politics are just not enough for me. Romantic drama mixed in action makes the plot more spicy. I like to imagine NS having deep, meaningful and complicated relationship (not just family quarrels) when both characters are adults already. I don't want such drama to happen in "real life", because that would probably mean we would get an open ending.

And I can actually see, not just in a fantasy, how Sasuke might still be a trigger to such drama. (EDIT:I was talking about the possibility of Sasuke burdening NS relationship for some time even if he lives. And he will live.)

 

Depending on how Sasuke dies, Naruto and Sakura could be very traumatized. Naruto is sure he won't be the person to kill Sasuke, he decided not to be. He said they would rather both die or he would save Sasuke. And Sakura believed in him, that there is a possible happy future for everyone on Team 7. If Naruto were to accidentally kill Sasuke, he would be devastated. Mistakes happen in real fights, Sasuke could even destroy himself. But Naruto would see it as his own failure.

And there is different kind of trust. For example, after such incident, Naruto could have a hard time believing that Sakura forgives him for killing Sasuke or that she doesn't think that he let her down. He wouldn't want to believe even if she told him, because that would be his self-inflicted punishment. He would give up on pursuing Sakura and it would be her mission to win his trust.

Also imagine Naruto keeping Sakura out of this fight. Because he is the one to shoulder all of Sasuke's hatred, he is the one to speak to him through his fists. Or he might even see clearly that Sakura would have little chances to survive in the middle of such confrontation (even being a powerful kunoichi ). And then he fails to save Sasuke. Sasuke dies. Even if Sakura loved Naruto at that point, she could lose her trust in Naruto, because he didn't allow her to risk her life for Sasuke. And Naruto would have to win her forgivness and trust.

Or imagine Sasuke taking Sakura hostage. And Naruto would have to choose between her life and Sasuke's. Sakura would beg him to save Sasuke, but Naruto would obviously choose her (sorry SasuNaru). And that could damage Sakura's trust in Naruto, even though it would be irrational. Emotions are mostly irrational.

Edited by Alessa, 19 September 2014 - 10:35 AM.

[rocci]

@alessa
Sasuke will not die.

[六道仙人]

but she will be stabbed.

[Alessa]

@alessa
Sasuke will not die.

Jesus Christ!! FANTASIES! Talking about fantasies here!!

Of course I know very well Sasuke won't die. I wrote it ten times in this thread.

 

Sorry if I didn't express that i was talking about fantasy well enough. If this confused you "And I can actually see, not just in a fantasy, how Sasuke might still be a trigger to such drama." I didn't adress all the other rumbling about Sasuke dying, I was talking about the possibility of Sasuke burdening NS relationship for some time even if he lives.

Edited by Alessa, 19 September 2014 - 10:35 AM.

[rocci]

but she will be stabbed.

That's what I want

@alessa
Sorry, I didn't know that ^^

[Hiraishin]

The topic was about fantasies, right? Did I miss something?
This is just the kind of stories I like to think about. It doesn't contradict with me wishing NS becomes canon in the end of this manga and seeing all the development present for this to happen (though I've got yet to see how Kishimoto handles Sakura's giving up on Sasuke as it seems a bit forced now).
All the Hokage\right hand\saving the world stuff can perfectly happen when Naruto and Sakura are a couple already. Again, we were talking about fantasies. I don't like family and harmony stuff, I like when the conflict is still present and issues are not resolved. Raw politics are just not enough for me. Romantic drama mixed in action makes the plot more spicy. I like to imagine NS having deep, meaningful and complicated relationship (not just family quarrels) when both characters are adults already. I don't want such drama to happen in "real life", because that would probably mean we would get an open ending.
And I can actually see, not just in a fantasy, how Sasuke might still be a trigger to such drama. (EDIT:I was talking about the possibility of Sasuke burdening NS relationship for some time even if he lives. And he will live.)

Depending on how Sasuke dies, Naruto and Sakura could be very traumatized. Naruto is sure he won't be the person to kill Sasuke, he decided not to be. He said they would rather both die or he would save Sasuke. And Sakura believed in him, that there is a possible happy future for everyone on Team 7. If Naruto were to accidentally kill Sasuke, he would be devastated. Mistakes happen in real fights, Sasuke could even destroy himself. But Naruto would see it as his own failure.
And there is different kind of trust. For example, after such incident, Naruto could have a hard time believing that Sakura forgives him for killing Sasuke or that she doesn't think that he let her down. He wouldn't want to believe even if she told him, because that would be his self-inflicted punishment. He would give up on pursuing Sakura and it would be her mission to win his trust.
Also imagine Naruto keeping Sakura out of this fight. Because he is the one to shoulder all of Sasuke's hatred, he is the one to speak to him through his fists. Or he might even see clearly that Sakura would have little chances to survive in the middle of such confrontation (even being a powerful kunoichi ). And then he fails to save Sasuke. Sasuke dies. Even if Sakura loved Naruto at that point, she could lose her trust in Naruto, because he didn't allow her to risk her life for Sasuke. And Naruto would have to win her forgivness and trust.
Or imagine Sasuke taking Sakura hostage. And Naruto would have to choose between her life and Sasuke's. Sakura would beg him to save Sasuke, but Naruto would obviously choose her (sorry SasuNaru). And that could damage Sakura's trust in Naruto, even though it would be irrational. Emotions are mostly irrational.

I was just commenting dude. And, again, NS already has a deep, meaningful relationship. They don't need it to be complicated even further by Sasuke. But I know this is just your fantasy.

Even if Sakura loved Naruto at that point, she could lose her trust in Naruto, because he didn't allow her to risk her life for Sasuke.

why would she risk her life for Sasuke..? I don't think Naruto would ever lose Sakura's trust or have it be damaged, ever. He's done way too much to earn it.

Edited by Hiraishin, 19 September 2014 - 01:15 PM.

[Alessa]

I was just commenting dude. And, again, NS already has a deep, meaningful relationship. They don't need it to be complicated even further by Sasuke. But I know this is your fantasy or whatever.
why would she risk her life for Sasuke..? I don't think Naruto would ever lose Sakura's trust or have it be damaged, ever. He's done way too much to earn it.

Sorry if I sounded rude. Was not my intention. I just didn't know how to answer your comment, because what you are saying is true and I agree with you, but fantasy is supposed to be about something you like, not something you believe in. I could write that I imagine Kushina and Minato being grandparents and helping Naruto and Sakura's family life and that would be sweet, right? I doubt anyone would write me "Are you nuts? They are dead. I don't think that could happen!" My imaginative plots are more controversial and realistic and the same time, but I don't see how they are different in principal.

Maybe when we actually get a confirmation that NS is canon and had a happy ending, my ideas won't by default sound as an attack on NS.

 

Yes, they have a very deep and meaningful relationship. Something extraordinary must happen to make Sakura lose trust in Naruto. One thing I don't agree with - Sakura would DEFINITELY risk her life for Sasuke. Sasuke is a very important person to her, he is her big friend, her comrade and she feels it is her duty to save him from the darkness. We know that much, she might also love him. She is also a truly kind and selfless girl who is capable of putting her life on the line. So she would do anything to save Sasuke. This is her point of similarity to Naruto.

 

I added that emotions are irrational. And more than that - trauma can twist person's perception of reality (look what Sasuke is doing). I don't think that Sakura ever was in a situation like this (only softcore versions), so this is not something Sakura knows how to percieve. This can become a very new experience for her and her psychic is very vulnurable right now (a reason why it is possible for her to realize her love for Naruto in this arc - they call it emergence in bifurcation points as a property of self-organization). If Sasuke were to die, Sakura would feel enormous grief. And if Naruto were to cause Sasuke's death IN HER PERCEPTION by not allowing her to join the fight, even though they made a deal that they will save Sasuke together, she could suffer fall in trust. And it would be developed by Naruto feeling guilty himself.

This is just speculation. We will NEVER see ANYTHING like this in canon.

Edited by Alessa, 19 September 2014 - 01:43 PM.

[Inferno180]

Its really just a matter of time though until we see how NS could go canon, I mean just in a nutshell:

 

NH is the easy one because its just right there, its literally right there, just waiting as an easy answer, it doesn't need anything but doing this would just be dumb and weak, its like, kishi had the chance, he had plenty of chances, and for a character who always tried hard to achieve his dreams, doesn't it seem contradictory to just have something come for him regardless of development and screentime? I know heroes should get a break, but even this needs reasons beyond Hinata just loving him, I mean its the lesser of 2 evils, I would rather this occur than SS, but even then, its still a big toxic result to the story. I mean its now the final battle, and naruto still loves sakura, and people dont see this as a problem, when sakura herself is still also changing in regards to naruto and sasuke? One of the major reasons I dislike NH is because its just too simple and convinent, the other, its the fan perception of Hinata and her importance when she isn't the most major, given her big moments could have gone somewhere, but to even where naruto has not given a return notion to her by either the hand holding (rather nejis death took precidence here) nor the confession from pain, only remembering that she did defend him, that is it, and frankly, if we got so much hints and development on NS at this point, even with sakura getting many more roles with naruto (the hug, reviving him, meeting minato) hinata should have had if we were to believe she was the intented love interest, then yeah I would give it more credit but no this is why even now, it may not even be necessary to fulfill this event, kishi would leave the confession unaddressed from hinata and still end the manga with NS with no real harm, even this would be more acceptable than madara using sussano with no eyes or the laws of the naruto verse being rewritten every 3 chapters in battle. At this point, there is no major even purpose for NH beyond just closure if you ask me, its too late to build so it should just get concluded and thats it, NS is still the big picture pairing at this point.

 

SS well, yeah we can simply say its the biggest mess and with what sasuke is currently doing, it is just not even slavagable at this point, I mean if Sakura still just loves sasuke to the point this would still be referred to as a bad time in their relationship, to where even the intent to kill naruto, her best friend, and her own sensei tsunade, this would just be a continued abberentive feeling on sakuras own character development if you ask me, I mean yes she can like sasuke as a friend and forgive him like naruto has, that is understandable, but the point I am making is, one thing I like from characters I follow, is that they have come to learn something in the time they have gone through their trials and for sakura, literally its not more clear that simply learning the difference between what she thought was important and what she truly knows is important, this sounds very basic and thats because it is, basically part of her development is just ironically needing to know who is more important to her like that old saying the most important things are always the ones around you, because I know it won't harm NS, but even if Sakura is still fixiated on Sasuke, even after all this, I really just wish there would be something to have well, she learned from all this, because even then, SS is just pointless, it solves nothing, it never has any reason or impact on sasuke, even if he did come back and was like in part 1 again, it would still be nothing granted to occur. SS is just a void plot element, there is nothing redeemable or fulfilling with it, like NH it would only be a half assed deal of sasuke getting better "because sakura hoped for it" and frankly, I never liked this "because they always hoped for it" deal, people can prey, have faith, believe all they want, but this means nothing unless something is done physically, something is done to invoke an action to cause that change, nothing ever gets accomplished by believing, because thats just well, a mental aspect of a deal that things will get better, the deal is, its better when faith and physical action go together to make that occurrence come, but for SS this is not the case, even with both, because as before, this still has no impact or importance on Sasuke and his character, hell even in the coming movie he looks like an outcast,  still intent on a revolution with his rinnegan. To me, there is nothing that can make this pairing acceptable, it would just be a horrendous scar for sakuras development and sasukes character, it would literally be the poo stain on the story of naruto, really, it just seems like a cancer that just needs to die off for good. Sakura can like sasuke as a friend and forgive him, it makes sense from 675 that her feelings changed and its declined from love but she wants to help him the same way naruto has, SS can go as friendship, but thats it. Because honestly, in the coming battle, she is going to support naruto, she supports his dream, she is been freaking hinted 3 times as the girl like kushina, the first 2 making this really clear with the second meeting minato being the most direct. Seriously to most people the aspect of seeing the ending as sakura once hated naruto to have coming to love him is the most paradoxing thing to them, its like the universe would impolde if that happened or it would ruin the story, at this point, part of me feels that part of sakuras ending development can only be justified if she learned something from this long mentality trait, that love is not ideal, its something that grows from one you know and come to like for a long time, for her to go through this whole journey never learning or having this change is like the biggest forgone development she could have had. I have faith that this will change, but honestly if it didn't that would be really really unusual and well, it would make me see sakura as unaccomplished, that this is something she should have experienced or gained, I mean naruto has grown up, sasuke is not playing around anymore, sakura surely should have changed too and this new conflict should do something to her, the fact naruto is marked for death should have an impact on her, the fact sasuke wants to kill tsunade as well, there has to be some way she is impacted by this in the coming chapters. Like naruto she doesn't need to give up hope on sasuke being better in the end, but honestly, I think its reasonable to say that she comes to terms with realizing the difference between ideal and real love, because honestly, its a good question in itself, how does sakura feel about naruto? She "loves" sasuke yet has spent most of her time, her mutual and positive interaction and growth has been involved with naruto and much of what she has done has also impacted naruto himself. The fact these 2 have spent so much time together, even with naruto still loving sakura after the fake confession and sakura coming to support narutos dream, to keep him alive for it to see it come, frankly, you don't see this stuff with any other pairings, this is the stuff that most would say is the material to make a believable pairing, yet most other fans would flock and say NH or SS, and thats what I find hard to believe, because all of "this" that has happened with NS, all we have seen in the manga, I would be shocked at this point if it didn't happen, even more now that the 3rd kushina foreshadow recently came. You know there will be some end result, some end pairing, and for it to only be naruto and a girl like kushina, being sakura still alone as that girl at this point, all signs still point to NS.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Most definitely now. Movie pretty much say, "Sasuke isn't going back, so knock it off with SS crap! Did you not learn 632?!"

[elmas]

Most definitely now. Movie pretty much say, "Sasuke isn't going back, so knock it off with SS crap! Did you not learn 632?!"

No!Sasuke will give Sakura roses in the movie.So cut the crap!

[TouKen4Life3g]

No!Sasuke will give Sakura roses in the movie.So cut the crap!

Yes, he will do that. Damn, I keep forgetting about that.