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#32741 Hiraishin

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Posted 15 September 2014 - 01:41 AM

Actually whether or not she loved Sasuke was left ambigious
 
the words used were "Sakura love(s/d) Sasuke but Naruto is close"
 
He says she was being an honest girl when someone said "she was using his feelings for her and told her she loved him" His response "on the contrary" alone pretty much confirms that Sakura is in love with Naruto and at this point in the story she is aware of her feelings for him.
 
Not sure what the stubborn part is referring to, she wasn't acting stubborn at all.

She was acting stubborn, when Naruto said that she was lying to herself and she defended herself and all that. I don't think he meant stubborn in a bad way.

I think we take the "Find a girl like me" line too literally. NH fans are right about that at least. There's no questioning the numerous parallels between MinaKushi and NaruSaku and how Sakura is a LOT like Kushina, but her words weren't saying find a girl who had the same personality as her.  She was saying she wanted Naruto to fall for a good person who loved him. I don't think Kushina would mind Naruto fell for a girl that wasn't like her as long as she appreciated him.
 
That doesn't debunk 631 tho. Kishimoto still deliberately compared Sakura to Kushina, though the personality quirk was a red herring. It's what the fans will twist as not being accurate because Kushina wasn't referring to personality. The real meaning that comparison has is that Sakura will end up with Naruto because she was a good person who loves him, just like Kushina wanted.

That doesn't make sense... If Kushina meant "find a girl who truly loves you," she would have said that. There's a reason Kishi made Kushina so similar to Sakura, drawing all these parallels and having Minato make the connection between Sakura and Kushina in their personalities (otherwise there could have been a scene where Sakura shows how strongly she feels about Naruto and he'd say "this girl is similar to Kushina," in that she loves Naruto). Of course Kushina wouldn't mind if he ended up with a girl who wasn't like her as long as she was a good girl who loved him, but I think she would have liked to see him with a girl like her -- which is why she said "find a girl like [similar to] your mother." If Kushina's words were meant to be taken like you say, then Hinata would work too, because she loves Naruto. But it's Sakura who is like Kushina. And that's why it's such a big hint for the outcome of the pairing subplot (and why NS and NH fans were trying to find similarities between Sakura and Hinata, respectively). It was straightforward and meant to be taken the way it's widely interpreted -- referring to personality, which is why she also said not to fall for a "weird one" (NS fans aren't the only ones who take it this way -- literally everyone else does, except for NH fans in denial that try to twist any NS hints in the manga to suit their favour, or at least work against NS, and even then they grasp at straws trying to make Hinata similar to Kushina, even after 631).

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Posted 15 September 2014 - 01:41 AM

Why rely on parallels when we have development?

I do think the parallels have some relevancy, at least they show us what direction the author is intending to go in. But yeah.

 

Such as MinaKushi, yeah, but I don't know. Paralells wise I just use MinaKushi because you know, 631 and such, but other than that I don't really use parallels. We don't rely on parallels outside the manga, do we?


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Posted 15 September 2014 - 01:50 AM

I hope not, only the ones the author directly uses are actually likely.


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Posted 15 September 2014 - 02:11 AM

I hope not, only the ones the author directly uses are actually likely.

 

Yeah, I find it to be a bit crazy to use out of manga parallels for evidence, cause parallels aren't really proof in the first place, and to use out of manga, I dunno.

 

Are the threads this slow at night, or is it just me? 


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Posted 15 September 2014 - 02:17 AM

 

Yeah, I find it to be a bit crazy to use out of manga parallels for evidence, cause parallels aren't really proof in the first place, and to use out of manga, I dunno.

 

Are the threads this slow at night, or is it just me? 

always slow on the weekends.


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Posted 15 September 2014 - 02:21 AM

Jeez, guys, I read your posts and I almost feel bored that NS is so damn guarnateed and solid in canon. No mystery here.
Then I have to go to some logical and smart NH supporters and read their thoughts that bring a bit of doubt back, only then it all becomes interesting again. :D

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Posted 15 September 2014 - 02:21 AM

always slow on the weekends.

 

 I just expect too much from people, like to be replying faster, cause I have nothing better to do with my time then look at a computer, honestly.


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Posted 15 September 2014 - 02:32 AM

She was acting stubborn, when Naruto said that she was lying to herself and she defended herself and all that. I don't think he meant stubborn in a bad way.
 

Well the reason I think that is because he said "honest, yet stubborn" like the stubborn part of her personality was on the opposing side of what she was being honest about. 


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Posted 15 September 2014 - 02:56 AM

In the case of NaruSaku, the MinaKushi parallel is obviously hinting a lot though. I mean, their Naruto's parents. It's pretty important when it revolves around the main character and his love life like that. I'm not saying NaruSaku is all about the parallel, but it's definitely an important parallel. Add that with all their development, and you've got a pretty obvious pairing. NH/SS don't have any of that.


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Why do people NOT ship these two? I just don't get it.

Probably cause they hate Sakura. When she's probably the most developed female character in the whole show.

I respect Hinata, but Sakura deserves some too.


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Posted 15 September 2014 - 03:23 AM

My God, there are so many NH shippers. If NS becomes canon (which it will) there will be riots.  :sweat:


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Posted 15 September 2014 - 03:27 AM

I'm going to hide in a corner after NS becomes canon so I don't have to see the haters.... :unsure:


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Posted 15 September 2014 - 03:34 AM

My God, there are so many NH shippers. If NS becomes canon (which it will) there will be riots.  :sweat:


Don't worry, in Japan NS is more popular.

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Posted 15 September 2014 - 03:34 AM

The fact that Naruto even has this big of a pairing war, most probably will make Kishi leave the series open ended when it comes to pairings. I don't know what he's doing... 


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Why do people NOT ship these two? I just don't get it.

Probably cause they hate Sakura. When she's probably the most developed female character in the whole show.

I respect Hinata, but Sakura deserves some too.


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Posted 15 September 2014 - 03:43 AM

Best anime ending of all time. You'll never look at boats the same again.

Oh god...To me, it's as if Hinata went heel.

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Posted 15 September 2014 - 04:06 AM

Oh god...To me, it's as if Hinata went heel.

Like School Days?


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Posted 15 September 2014 - 04:10 AM

Like School Days?

You're asking if I like it or asking me if I'm making a comparison?

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Posted 15 September 2014 - 04:20 AM

Is it just me, or has there been an increasing number of "School Days" references throughout this site over the course of the past few days? :wot:  


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Posted 15 September 2014 - 04:24 AM

Is it just me, or has there been an increasing number of "School Days" references throughout this site over the course of the past few days? :wot:  

Hey, I was trying to spread Man of Steel, but now we want heel Hinata over snapped neck Sasuke. To each of their own, I guess.

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Posted 15 September 2014 - 04:32 AM

Hey, I was trying to spread Man of Steel, but now we want heel Hinata over snapped neck Sasuke. To each of their own, I guess.

 

I'm considering making a joke that refers to the finale of that series, but I'm afraid I'll be in trouble, so I'll keep my mouth shut.  :wacko:


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Posted 15 September 2014 - 04:53 AM

You're asking if I like it or asking me if I'm making a comparison?

comparison. When you said Hinata went heel, sound to me like she going to become psycho? But I think I am wrong so by do you mean by that?


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