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[Miss Soupy]

I'm a pro N/S fan but I don't bash Sasuke and Hinata. I like Hinata but sometimes the obsesses N/H fans overrate her so much that it makes me want to hate her it's their fault. As for Sasuke I don't hate him but the guy needs to move on with his life and let go of the hatred he carries over Konoha otherwise he will become worst than Orochimaru. Then again I think he has already become more evil than Orochimaru.

That's pretty much how I feel. I don't really care about Hinata; she is a nice person but her character doesn't interest me. Doesn't mean I'm going to bash her (it's not her fault her fans make her out to be a goddess sometimes). I'll admit that Sasuke is a very interesting character. I don't like him and yet his part of the story is very fascinating. I guess I have a love/hate sort of mentality when it comes to Sasuke.

[RedDelicious]

I'll admit that Sasuke is a very interesting character. I don't like him and yet his part of the story is very fascinating.

I wish more people would be clear, like you are.
Sometimes I hate characters because they make interesting bad guys. So that "hate" gets me more involved with the story. Other times I hate a character because they are bland, inconsistent, annoying, etc. So that "hate" will drive me away from the story.

[catsi563]

Catsi's thought of the day.

In chapter 311 we see Sai studying about relationships, in it he reads about suffixes and states that in order to grow closer one should stop using suffixes.

Sakura has never ever used a suffix with Naruto this is doen deliberately throughout the manga at first to show dislike of him, and later to show her closeness to him. this is done with literally no transition as we see Naruto grow closer to Sakuras heart

from an Anime FAQ

no honorific -- The lack of the use of an honorific either indicates rudeness or disrespect on the part of the addresser, or it indicates that the addresser feels a sense of intimacy to the addressee. The degree of intimacy is reflected on whether the addresser uses the addressee's family name or given name. Ryoko addresses no one with an honorific, portraying the rude gaijin (foreigner). Because Tenchi uses no honorific to address Ryoko, it gives them a greater air of intimacy, even if Tenchi favors no one girl over another (per 101 Secrets).

Naruto always addresses Sakura as Sakura-chan this hasnt changed ((YET)) from the beginning.

from the same faq

This is one of the more intimate honorifics in Japanese society as it has a more feminine take. It is primarily used for young children, girls, and pets. Girls will often address each other with the -chan honorific

Now if we take into account Narutos now broken image of team 7 and Sakura as pre shippuden team 7. then it very well may be that he has called her that both as an affectionate name as seen in the definition below

Chan (ちゃん?) ("kins") is a diminutive suffix; it expresses that the speaker finds a person endearing. Thus, using chan with a superior's name would be condescending and rude. In general, chan is used for babies, young children, and teenage girls. It may also be used towards cute animals, lovers, close friends, or any youthlike woman.

then we come to uynderstand a little better Narutos perceptions of Sakura.

What I find interesting is this. I have a feeling unconfirmed i grant you that we may soon hear Naruto address Sakura with out the ever present chan suffix.

this may be the first big step between them in their relationship as it moves forwards.

for Naruto it will represent that dropping of the thought of Sakura as the same little girl who always chased Sakura and his acknowledgemnt of her growth as a woman.

for Sakura it will be a bit of a suprise as shes used to that suffix being there.

it will be very interesitng to see where the two go from that point.

[Gravenimage]

Catsi's thought of the day.

In chapter 311 we see Sai studying about relationships, in it he reads about suffixes and states that in order to grow closer one should stop using suffixes.

Sakura has never ever used a suffix with Naruto this is doen deliberately throughout the manga at first to show dislike of him, and later to show her closeness to him. this is done with literally no transition as we see Naruto grow closer to Sakuras heart

from an Anime FAQ



Naruto always addresses Sakura as Sakura-chan this hasnt changed ((YET)) from the beginning.

from the same faq



Now if we take into account Narutos now broken image of team 7 and Sakura as pre shippuden team 7. then it very well may be that he has called her that both as an affectionate name as seen in the definition below



then we come to uynderstand a little better Narutos perceptions of Sakura.

What I find interesting is this. I have a feeling unconfirmed i grant you that we may soon hear Naruto address Sakura with out the ever present chan suffix.

this may be the first big step between them in their relationship as it moves forwards.

for Naruto it will represent that dropping of the thought of Sakura as the same little girl who always chased Sakura and his acknowledgemnt of her growth as a woman.

for Sakura it will be a bit of a suprise as shes used to that suffix being there.

it will be very interesitng to see where the two go from that point.

That's an awesome theory there Catsi it will be almost impossible for Naruto to drop the suffix. But it will be unnoticeable because the manga translators stopped writing suffixes from the original raw. So we can't clearly tell if Naruto has stop calling Sakura "Sakura-chan" because it will always be Sakura in the manga. The same goes with Sakura calling Sasuke "Sasuke-kun" as well as Hinata" Naruto-kun"

I believe they stopped putting the suffixes in the english translation since the invasion of Pain arc. I noticed during 436 that Hinata called Naruto just plain Naruto and I knew something was off because Hinata never calls him that it's always" Naruto-kun" that's when I realized that they stopped putting the suffixes from the english scans. My theory was confirmed at 450 when Naruto called Sakura just plain Sakura the same with Sakura saying plain Sasuke.

Edited by Gravenimage, 11 January 2010 - 07:05 PM.

[TwilightLink20xx]

Hmm, intriguing theory, Catsi. We shall see where this leads, but if you keep in mind that Sakura and Naruto are still teenagers, I just don't see Naruto dropping the -chan suffix anytime soon. Part of it is due to the definition, you don't typically use it for just anyone. The only reason I can see him dropping it is if they end up having a massive fallout, and he would refer to her as Sakura-san at that point. Otherwise, I can't see him calling her just Sakura unless he's trying to get her attention and trying to be completely serious.

[ciardha]

catsi does make an interesting point about Naruto's use of the chan suffix, yes a big part of it is due to his affection for Sakura. But considering how his mental image of Sakura was still of the 12 year old Sasuke fangirl, a small part of it now does look to be not flattering. He doesn't see how she's changed at all, and made a mental wall against seeing it- with the rules he imposed on himself with his version of the POAL. In fact he strongly resisted her trying to change that image to current reality.

[ciardha]

this is geting so deep in angest i love it

Heh, isn't it? Reminds me of some of the BuffyxSpike angst in season 7 as Buffy realized how much she loved Spike, but Spike still thought she loved Angel, or the better Gambit and Rogue angst where Rogue isn't quite sure if Gambit is being real with his feelings or he's playing around.

[Devil Keyz]

catsi does make an interesting point about Naruto's use of the chan suffix, yes a big part of it is due to his affection for Sakura. But considering how his mental image of Sakura was still of the 12 year old Sasuke fangirl, a small part of it now does look to be not flattering. He doesn't see how she's changed at all, and made a mental wall against seeing it- with the rules he imposed on himself with his version of the POAL. In fact he strongly resisted her trying to change that image to current reality.

he's seen how shes changed, he even said something along the lines of stop being to Immature around Her because she's grown stronger and could kill him.


He is just keeping his promise, and he said himself it isn't about Sakura anymore.

*careful on the language~Nate River

Edited by Nate River, 12 January 2010 - 03:33 AM.

[Gravenimage]

Heh, isn't it? Reminds me of some of the BuffyxSpike angst in season 7 as Buffy realized how much she loved Spike, but Spike still thought she loved Angel, or the better Gambit and Rogue angst where Rogue isn't quite sure if Gambit is being real with his feelings or he's playing around.

I love Buffy/Spike couple better than Angel/Buffy because they looked cuter and better together. Also I think Angel should have hooked up with Faith but that didn't happen and the series finale was truly a disappointment. Also I never saw the series finale of Buffy either.

[catsi563]

, he's seen how shes changed, he even said something along the lines of stop being to Immature around Her because she's grown stronger and could kill him.


He is just keeping his promise, and he said himself it isn't about Sakura anymore.

her physical growth yes he has seen that.

but Ciardhas right he has not seen her emotional growth yet. the closest he came was when she was healing Kankuro and he thought she was so cool/amazing. but thats all hes seen so far. his flashbacks before he collapsed and when she was confessing indicate that he either has refused to accept what hes seen, or simply hasnt seen it at all.

When I say he will drop the chan suffix permanently that will happen much later in the manga.

however

their will come a moment I believe soon, where he and Sakura will confront each other post sasuke. this is the moment where he will drop the suffix and it will surprise her the most. the notion that he is talking to her seriously with no pretenses and no more barriers.

that will be the signifigance of him dropping the suffix possibly permanetly or at least for that scene.

[Cupcake-chan]

Well, what you said actually makes sense, I mean, Sasuke hardly even knows Sakura exists, and at least Naruto talks to Hinata and they're friends. But either way, if one side doesn't feel the same way, then it will never work out. In NH Naruto doesn't feel the same way Hinata does and in SS Sasuke hardly knows Sakura exists. You made a great point there.

[Strangelove]

but Ciardhas right he has not seen her emotional growth yet. the closest he came was when she was healing Kankuro and he thought she was so cool/amazing. but thats all hes seen so far. his flashbacks before he collapsed and when she was confessing indicate that he either has refused to accept what hes seen, or simply hasnt seen it at all.

lol and the expression Naruto had...i thought he was gonna drool right there xD.

If he only sees that little bit of growth, imagine when he starts to see her full growth. It will take a few hits to the head to make him wake up from his trance.

[Miss Soupy]

her physical growth yes he has seen that.

but Ciardhas right he has not seen her emotional growth yet. the closest he came was when she was healing Kankuro and he thought she was so cool/amazing. but thats all hes seen so far. his flashbacks before he collapsed and when she was confessing indicate that he either has refused to accept what hes seen, or simply hasnt seen it at all.

When I say he will drop the chan suffix permanently that will happen much later in the manga.

I have to disagree. I don't think Naruto has ever thought of Sakura's love for Sasuke as something immature (even if he should have at first). He most likely compares her love for Sasuke to his own love for her. His love for her is something that wouldn't just go away with time or hardships, and I think he views Sakura as feeling the same. It isn't really that he is missing her emotional growth, but rather he views it as something indestructible, like his own love.

Naruto isn't the type of person to look at someone and see their weaknesses; he is the type who looks at someone and sees their strengths.

[Miss Soupy]

soupy; naruto has ignord all sakuras worrys for him or advaces he jest wont except she has feelings for him witch lead to sakura geting mad at him no beleveing him.

Actually, I think he understands her worry, or at least he did that time on the Gaara mission. It is just too painful for him to allow himself to hope she might love him. He has felt heartbreak already, and it is easier for him to change the subject rather than to allow himself that small hope that the person he loves could love him back. If he turned out to be wrong, imagine how much he would hurt once again. Sort of like a defense mechanism.

[ciardha]

Naruto isn't the type of person to look at someone and see their weaknesses; he is the type who looks at someone and sees their strengths.

No, I think catsi caught something important, and the more I think about it the more plot points I'm seeing connecting. He does see Sakura as emotionally weaker than himself, look how he reacts when she cries, and think about his comment to her- "Sakura chan, you're always so quick to cry." He hasn't seen how she cries at first, then she figures things out and gets tough. First glimpse of that was in the Forest of Death, she cried feeling scared and hopeless over Naruto and Sasuke's unconscious bodies but by the time the Song ninja show up she's starting to pull it together, and watching Lee fight to protect her because he loves her finally kicked that strong inner self into gear, she gets up and fights, and actually lasts longer than Lee against them, that with still being "weak" and barely any training, she fights on by sheer guts and intellect.

When she cries during the confrontation with Karui and Omoi he treats her as someone weak, and says he'll handle it. Sakura's still feeling vulnerable at the moment and she sees he looks so calm and in control so she gives way. Naruto doesn't say a word in Sakura's defense saying she should come along with them to seek out Sasuke, because he views her as emotionally weak. He forgets Sakura's promise to him about going after Sasuke together.

Interesting, that even witnessing her tears Sai does not see Sakura as emotionally weak, he sees her as emotionally strong, if not stronger, than Naruto. It's what makes him confront Sakura about the POAL- misunderstanding that Sakura had nothing to do with what Naruto had done to himself with it. Sakura was horrified and overwhelmed when she found out, and sobbed her heart out- I think that was the most traumatized I've ever seen her, even Sasuke's leaving Konoha didn't traumatize her as much. Shizune was clearly concerned, she could see how traumatized Sakura was, but Sakura pulled herself together and Shikamaru's words barely bothered her, she'd already dealt with and was done crying over Sasuke. Naruto's misunderstanding her caused her more pain, but she waited until she was far enough from Naruto that he wouldn't see her tears, showing her resolve to shoulder all the burden. That resolve made her jump back in emotional control after letting it out for a moment.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

Interesting, that even witnessing her tears Sai does not see Sakura as emotionally weak, he sees her as emotionally strong, if not stronger, than Naruto. It's what makes him confront Sakura about the POAL- misunderstanding that Sakura had nothing to do with what Naruto had done to himself with it. Sakura was horrified and overwhelmed when she found out, and sobbed her heart out- I think that was the most traumatized I've ever seen her, even Sasuke's leaving Konoha didn't traumatize her as much. Shizune was clearly concerned, she could see how traumatized Sakura was, but Sakura pulled herself together and Shikamaru's words barely bothered her, she'd already dealt with and was done crying over Sasuke. Naruto's misunderstanding her caused her more pain, but she waited until she was far enough from Naruto that he wouldn't see her tears, showing her resolve to shoulder all the burden. That resolve made her jump back in emotional control after letting it out for a moment.

I agree, though I think Sakura DID hurt a bit at that too, even if she was being strong. Why else ask Shikamaru to not say anymore? After all, even with his being logical, he wasn't reading the situation too well, and (to me) came off slightly insensitive to how bad Sakura was feeling.

I also just wonder too if Naruto is gonna realize Sakura's much stronger than he seems to let on... and the fact she's also seen Sasuke in more of a platonic light than she had in the beginning.

Bryon

[Jenskott]

I have to disagree. I don't think Naruto has ever thought of Sakura's love for Sasuke as something immature (even if he should have at first). He most likely compares her love for Sasuke to his own love for her. His love for her is something that wouldn't just go away with time or hardships, and I think he views Sakura as feeling the same. It isn't really that he is missing her emotional growth, but rather he views it as something indestructible, like his own love.

I think you may have hit the mark.

During the bench scene, Naruto understood because he liked so much Sakura when she said she "wished being acknowledged by the person she loved". He thought she was right like him, a kindred spirit.

And given that he keeps in love with her, not matter what, he assumes she will keep loving Sasuke, not matter what. He can't wrap his mind around the fact he is now the person she loves and whose acknowledgement she yearns for.

It is ironical: back in Part I, Naruto chased after Sakura and she chased after Sasuke, seeking his acknowledgement; in Part II, Naruto is chasing after Sasuke and Sakura is chasing after him and seeking his acknowledgement.

Now, regarding Freakazoid's debate, I actually think NH needs no more resolution: she finally confessed. It didn't change his feelings at all or made him to regard her in another light. She remained staring at him from afar, beaming happily as Sakura hugged him tightly.

I think that nothing more needs being said regarding that subplot and that loose end is closed.