Anymore context you could add? Like who beat them up?
Just to make sure my never directly said that was pretty much Salad making Naruto the father figure and role model she lacked in Sasuke. With also the context that Naruto was the only one Sarada had a positive relationship with in the gaiden. Sakura, she loved her mom but was tried of her covering and lying for her dad as well as her relationship with him, but in the end she still loves her and see her as her mom. Sasuke didn't really care about her till the last chapter which was "please the SS fans because they are the ones keeping this series afloat." While this was apparently the first time she really interacted with Naruto and they really hit it off to the point again he became her role-model and it felt that she largely got over her issues with her parents because she latched onto Naruto. Therefor she would likely be happy if NS happened. Since she would get the woman who raised her who she sees as her mom and she would get her male role model.
Now if you mean others using it as, well the scene never directly said that but I feel it did because I want it too even if it runs counter to the actual story. Fair enough
.......are you even reading what you are typing or...? You know what, nevermind...I don't feel like doing a back and forth on this one. I already said what I said and you can take it as you will.
I agree about SS here but not NH. Hinata herself didnt do anything wrong, she mostly kept her infatuation to herself. It was third parties that pushed Naruto into Hinatas arms. Sakura forced herself on Sasuke all on her own, in the novels at least.
Yes and no. Hinata is guilty mostly of being so selfish that literally nothing else mattered to her. Not her clan, not her cousin, not even her own sister. Regardless, guilting a man to be with someone whether directly or indirectly is just plan wrong. It undermines not only the guy's feelings, but makes women seem less independent because apparently they have no life without their first crush...which is totally pathetic.
I'd argue Hinata might be worse since...she couldn't even do it herself.
Bold: And that's one of the messed up parts....it is not the fact that the guy's are guilt tripped....oh no...it is the fact that Hinata didn't do it herself that makes her so innocent, but I'd argue that she didn't earn Naruto. Nothing she did mattered to him and it took literally everyone else to MAKE Naruto see her which is a catch 22. Yeah, it makes Hinata look more innocent, but also shows how Naruto truly doesn't care about Hinata because if he did...he wouldn't need all this outside influence to make him see her. I guess this is what Junko meant by feeling "no love between them." How can you love someone you never even notice? Whose very existence means so little that if she was taken out of the picture Naruto would not miss a thing?
And I think the SS do acknowledge Narutos feelings, they just hate when Sakura is forced on him. Which okey, much hypocritical. Since the NH and SS fandoms are no longer allies(I find this a bit funny), they frequently write on eachothers anti-tags. One SS/anti-NH actually replied on a N>S post that «Naruto let go of his love and married a nobody so that both his friends could be happy». They were really sad about it, but is that the story we were reading? Shonens are written for children and have a simple basis. Main character goes from having nothing to having everything- hokage, peace, his best friend, love. This is a narrative that somewhat takes away Sasuke and Sakuras agency, so it gets called mysogynist. It is half right, thats why it was so important to me that Naruto himself understood and never pressured any feelings. He did that very well with Sakura, sub-par with Sasuke.
Not from what I have seen....not from the pro-enders anyway. If any SS fans truly acknowledged Naruto's feelings....they didn't really like the ending at all. Among the pro-enders, it is more about why their pairing is better than the others because "Sasuke didn't need to be pressured to be with Sakura," but that's because his personality literally was plot driven.
Sadly, most of what Naruto accomplished was pyrrhic anyway.
Yeah he got to be Hokage, but he is miserable with the job and works too much and people forget he only wanted to be Hokage to be loved and accepted.
Sure, he got peace, but it wasn't a peace he created...it was a peace Obito made and Kakashi kept going. By the time Naruto got to be Hokage all the nations were already working together without Naruto's influence. Which makes Sasuke right and Naruto's role in achieving peace inconsequential.
Okay, he got his best friend back, but if the goal was to bring him back to the village he only did that metaphorically and not literally which in the begging he was trying to bring Sasuke back physically especially for Sakura's sake.
Love....okay, I have talked about this one till I was blue in the face, but Naruto never got the love he wanted, but rather the love everyone told him he needed. Now if we mean by love in that the village loves him....then yeah, he got that one on his own and that is the ONLY thing he has accomplished successfully, but most people mean a wife...which is Hinata..."the one he didn't know he needed" as they say. I mean, my god Ginny and Harry got more development and Ginny actually played a crucial role.
To me, Naruto is like....getting first place in a race because no one else is running it. "Naruto won Hinata," okay, but no one was fighting for her love and attention other than Toneri and he was more a plot MacGuffin. Sasuke already won everything Naruto wanted and he wasn't even trying for it. They just gave it to him because "he is sexy and good looking." Like a twisted version of Drake and Josh where Drake gets away with everything and Josh is just kitten on. There are a few episodes where Josh finally wins over Drake and Drake suffers ALOT for it. Like, he starts getting stressed out, losing out on stuff, and more. Naruto is Josh and Sasuke is Drake to an extreme. (Yet when bad stuff happens to Drake we are supposed to feel sorry for him while laughing at Josh.)
Edited by James S Cassidy, 19 September 2021 - 04:52 AM.