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[TheQueenB]

 

VASH DID WHAT

I DON'T REMEMBER THIS

and, no, pls, everything but IchiHime 

 

In all fairness, Rukia is a bit spunky like Masaki. I'm an IchiRuki shipper, but I don't mind IchiHime at all. 

 

Either way, nothing is probably going to be canon in "Bleach." 

[TouKen4Life3g]

 
In all fairness, Rukia is a bit spunky like Masaki. I'm an IchiRuki shipper, but I don't mind IchiHime at all. 
 
Either way, nothing is probably going to be canon in "Bleach." 

At this rate, no. It may end in well guy didn't give a crap, so that's why no canon.

[Khaleesi]

 

In all fairness, Rukia is a bit spunky like Masaki. I'm an IchiRuki shipper, but I don't mind IchiHime at all. 

 

Either way, nothing is probably going to be canon in "Bleach." 

It's not that i ship IchiRuki. I usually don't ship anything. NaruSaku f**cked me up 

But whatever, the thing is...i see Ichigo and Rukia as best friends, okay? And it's refreshing, because i see romance everyday and it's bullsh**   Romantic love is not all in life 

But i don't like Orihime AT ALL. Neither her design. "Kurusaki-kun" my balls. 

I like Rukia >: And i prefer Ichigo with Rukia than her    

Edited by theunburnt, 12 September 2014 - 02:48 AM.

[TheQueenB]

Okay, question time, y'all: I'm actually doing a post on this for Tumblr- I still have a bunch of things to write for it, and I'm so busy that I don't see myself being able to publish it soon.- but do you guys think NaruSaku is thematically regressive? I'm interested in seeing what you guys think. 

Edited by TheQueenB, 12 September 2014 - 02:57 AM.

[Sedna]

Okay, question time, y'all: I'm actually doing a post on this for Tumblr- I still have a bunch of things to write for it, and I'm so busy that I don't see myself being able to publish it soon.- but do you guys think NaruSaku is thematically regressive? I'm interested in seeing what you guys think.

At times I feel like this, but I won't give up. Every single recent chapter, we've gotten small little NS moments. Even if they may not mean much, it confirms NS is still here. All of these small moments are going to built up into a huge moment, guaranteed. I still have alot of faith in NS, I always will.

[TheQueenB]

At times I feel like this, but I won't give up. Every single recent chapter, we've gotten small little NS moments. Even if they may not mean much, it confirms NS is still here. All of these small moments are going to built up into a huge moment, guaranteed. I still have alot of faith in NS, I always will.

 

Good point.

 

The reason I brought this up, though, is that some people feel that NaruSaku, as a pairing, is not consistent with how the themes of the story have been developed, up to this point. I disagree, of course. 

[questdrivencollie]

 

Good point.

 

The reason I brought this up, though, is that some people feel that NaruSaku, as a pairing, is not consistent with how the themes of the story have been developed, up to this point. I disagree, of course. 

I really don't see how they could come to the conclusion that their pairings are more likely than NS. But to each their own, I guess. No use arguing.
I just hope they're not too disappointed if they don't get what they seem to expect, y'know? The fans that fight tooth and nail for their ships and build up rivalries with other ship fandoms are only setting themselves  up for disappointment. I don't mean any specific fandom when I say this, it could apply to pretty much any of them really.

[Uzumaki9000]

Actually the correct translation of Kushina's words is "don't fall for a weird girl," and who did Naruto call weird? 
And even if we go by Viz's translation ("don't fall for the first girl that comes your way"), it'd work against NH, because technically Hinata was the first to come his way -- her confession and all. They kept in the "find someone like your mother" line anyway, so that indicates NS.

I've read another version where Hinata was introduced at my school library and Naruto called her a freak instead of a weirdo.

Edited by Uzumaki9000, 12 September 2014 - 03:39 AM.

[Gojira]

Such a shame it looks like HTTYD2 probably isn't going to get released in theatres in Japan for whatever reason. Poor Kishi.

 

Oh well from what I hear there's apparently a petition going on in Japan to get a release of it there, it reached over 4,000 signatures so far.

[Alessa]

 

Good point.

 

The reason I brought this up, though, is that some people feel that NaruSaku, as a pairing, is not consistent with how the themes of the story have been developed, up to this point. I disagree, of course. 

Can you go into a little more detail about their reasoning? I'm very interested. What do they refer to?

 

I've said a couple of times that I find NaruSakuSasu a very rigid love triangle\line, since romantic positions of the characters are very dragged out and often ignore all the development (on the sidelines and even inside Team 7). We see a lot of interaction between Team 7's characters and other characters, but the romantic line feels more or less intact and solid through the whole manga. I mean, Naruto can have a lot of moments with Hinata, Sakura with Lee and Sasuke with Karin, but we have no evidence that these interaction influence them at all. We can assume, for example, that Naruto became stronger when Neji died and Hinata snapped him out of his shock. It is logical from artistic perspective. But technically this scene was not necessary, unique (as Sasuke's departure for example) and any other character could be there to cheer Naruto up. Someone said it very well: Hinata confesses her feelings to Naruto, they share a unique moment after Neji's death, Naruto thanks Hinata for her being at his side - in a moment he tells his father that another girl is his girlfriend (even if half-joking) in the confirmed hearing distance of Hinata. Either Naruto is a jerk, or this is just a sign of how little certain side-scenes matter in this manga.

We know that we can see the importance of the event when narration repeatedly returns to it (in flashbacks or words). Yet the narration rarely does it with the these sidecharacters scenes.

 

I would not consider a lot of NS moments impactful as well. I think they are there to remind us of what was established in the begining of the timeskip: Naruto loves Sakura and admires her great will and progress, but feels burdened with the promise \\ Sakura acknowledges Naruto, understands him more, believes in him and wants to see his dream come true. We just revisit this statement times and times again in various little interactions. And this is important not as a development per se, but as a reminder and confirmation that this is still relevant to the plot and leads to something actually story-changing.

 

Just like that I can see interesting stuff that developes between Sakura and Naruto in the manga (through glances, smiles and little interactions), but I don't see it as something big, something new, something story-changing. I see it as a confirmation of the theme that was established in the end of part 1|begining of part 2. Yet the main positions of the characters almost don't change. Sakura still thinks she loves Sasuke, Naruto still loves Sakura, but doesn't approach her and supports her feelings to Sasuke. From that point of view, this pairing is pretty rigid. It is dragged out, almost unnaturally, all the way till this final confrontation. Now we finally get a resolution to something that was carved and rigidly pushed into the story (love triangle) in part 1. It was all meant for this exact moment.

That is why I actually expect a lot NS-themed from this Naruto vs Sasuke showdown.

 

Thus, regressive = no. As long as I understand what you've meant. Rigid and somewhat immune to other developments, parallel to many other themes = pretty much yes in my humble opinion. It is almost like a straight arrow to the end which we experience now,

I am exaggerating, but to see the pairing as it is now, we could actually skip all the plot in part 2. We could see the idea that Sakura starts to acknowledge Naruto more and more in the very begining and that he admires her, then jump all the way to the end, where Sasuke is still lost, still needs to fight Naruto in the last battle, the promise needs to be fulfilled, Sakura still (thinks that she) loves Sasuke, Naruto still loves Sakura and there is no real competition. Only now it is time to really adress all these old issues.

 

Only please don't write me that the little interactions and scenes mattered a lot. I know that. It matters from artistic point of view and it matters, because we get the confirmation that the theme itself (Naruto and Sakura's relationship) is still important to the story and is leading towards something. I am drawing a model of the story here. What do you think?

Edited by Alessa, 12 September 2014 - 07:34 AM.

[ramenanmitsu]

It's not that i ship IchiRuki. I usually don't ship anything. NaruSaku f**cked me up 
But whatever, the thing is...i see Ichigo and Rukia as best friends, okay? And it's refreshing, because i see romance everyday and it's bullsh**   Romantic love is not all in life 
But i don't like Orihime AT ALL. Neither her design. "Kurusaki-kun" my balls. 
I like Rukia >: And i prefer Ichigo with Rukia than her    

I agree with you. From the moment I read the manga I was irritated with Orihime and her Kurosaki-kuuuuuun and the weird poses she makes which the author thinks are cute but actually looks really dumb. What is with that annoying, "I am thinking" pose? Unfortunately for her, Ichigo doesn't seem to be interested so there you go. (She must be the top three Jump female characters I don't like along with Karin, and Amane Misa)

Edited by ramenanmitsu, 12 September 2014 - 06:54 AM.

[Gojira]

I agree with you. From the moment I read the manga I was irritated with Orihime and her Kurosaki-kuuuuuun and the weird poses she makes which the author thinks are cute but actually looks really dumb. What is with that annoying, "I am thinking" pose? Unfortunately for her, Ichigo doesn't seem to be interested so there you go. (She must be the top three Jump female characters I don't like along with Karin, and Amane Misa)

Can you give an example?

[lupina]

Gohan did it, Vash did it, Mario did it, Ichigo probably if Kubo is actually srs about pairings.

 

 

What? When? 

Vash/Meryl was heavily implied, especially by Meryl's actions but they never really got through with it ... the anime ends before.

Or did I miss something?

 

(And please ... everything but ichihime)

[ramenanmitsu]

Can you give an example?

I don't remember what page and what volume it was. I quit reading bleach in high school.

[luffyq1]

damn man, just how many times am I gonna see someone claim Sakura is wearing an Uchiha necklace?

[ButterBean]

^^They will only stop if NS becomes canon

[Swagkura]

damn man, just how many times am I gonna see someone claim Sakura is wearing an Uchiha necklace?

Until we actually get a trailer that shows us something other then manga panels.

[AHK]

Okay, question time, y'all: I'm actually doing a post on this for Tumblr- I still have a bunch of things to write for it, and I'm so busy that I don't see myself being able to publish it soon.- but do you guys think NaruSaku is thematically regressive? I'm interested in seeing what you guys think.

No, I think it fits the theme rather well. I don't think it's regressive in any aspect, thematically or character wise

[BlazingDynamo]

I just don't understand something...

[ramenanmitsu]

I just don't understand something...

Let it all out. I'm in the mood of puzzle solving