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#3221 Kobayashi

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Posted 19 May 2011 - 07:37 AM

So much denying in other fandoms i was "whar the heck" they will not see it until the very end, so it is save for kishimoto to develop narusaku even further without fear of losing other pairing fans, cause they are so oblivious that when narusaku happens they will say wth how this has happened, kishi is trolling us cause he never liked naruhina or kishi is a bad writter or he was thretend that he was going go te killed by some "crazy" narusaku fan so he was so scared he wrote narusaku ending. If kishi would only know that no matter what he writes he would not lose sasusaku or naruhina fans we would have many many more narusaku moments.

It is crazy but only now i realize in full capacity how people from the west are so influenced by teenage movies and think that sasuke is a bad boy who needs to be rescued and that in the end he will be rescued by her and they will live happily ever after. but they dont know that japanese culture and manga in general have more deeper meaning than every teenage movie where main heroin is saving guy that has fallen so low, or underdog girl/boy is figting for affection of cool girl/boy and in the and he or she wins that love. But lets face it when that happened in real live sure if you are not famous as a tenager you will fantasize about that cause it shows your inner dreams when you were a teenager, dreams of acceptance and to have someone admire you who has spotlight attention. But later on people who dont develop as persons they cling to those emotions and fantasies , others grow up from that shalownes.

when i was younger when i liked being "cool" i liked to be like sasuke cold guy who never shows emotions, that drivers crazy lots of girls, cause they dont know what is with this guy why is he not paying attention to me i must have him he is soo cool, it goes other way around, but that is all shallow in my opinion.

I grew from that shallownes when i found out that relationships based on that have no real love and frendship no real talk about things , about problems no honesty, only infatuation and passion, passion that drives you crazy in the end, always moving limits of passion till it destroys you.
For a healthy long term relationship you have to be best friend with the person you like (who is better example tha naruto and sakura) accept who she or he is, no judging flaws, but acepting them cause they also make that person unique. Knowing its flaws and virtues not shallow fangirling or fanboying that someone is pefect like kishimoto is showing sakura past time deliberatly only to show her growth today, but that is not enough to stop the bashing of sakura. Love that comes from friendship is love that is so much stronger than passion love, it is love that has a chance through storms of life and chance of coming live through those storms, but passion love sinks at the first sign of wind, in real meaning those kind of relationships tend to brake down for the slithest problems that are not even problems.

So this manga has cauth my attention cause it is realistic in term of relationship betwen naruto and sakura it is so human and how real love should be like, and i think that kishimoto figured out this though his life, his manga would not be good if he didnt pour his heart into it, his thoughts about life, love,friendship, because he is pouring his heart into it it is that good .
I,now older and i think wiser through life situations and with more experience can tell that i would like strong willed, determened and honest girl around me, who doesnt beat aroud the bush,allways yaping about trivial things, who can stand by me in times of good and evil without looking back and thinking i shouldve picked the other guy, who on the other hand is soft and has her girly side and is so humane and has emphaty to the other people, heck that would be perfect girl in real life , but they are rare, many girls think they are like this but are not, one of hundred or more is like this.

I would compare narusaku love as a foundation for healthy marriage, and type of marriage where you see old couple who has 70 or 80 years and they are so in love with each other and caring for each other, and are always with one another. Once i saw this kind of pair and when wife died, you shouldev seen how the man weeped for that woman, it broke everyones heart on the funeral it was so strong and everybody could see the love, cause they knew the pair. Passion love cant endure this many years if it has not friendship = philia then Eros = passion, and on top of all this agape = real selfsacrificing love that endures till the end. Narusaku in all aspects, they have strong friendship, passion flirtous ways, and selfsacrificing for one another till the end. (yeah sasusaku has sacrifice too, but sasuke whants to sacrifice sakura :-) )

If Sasusaku was two side love it would be passion love with no foundation for agape love, but it was one sided love so it cant even go into category of competing as a love that has a chance.
As for naruhina, i am wondering how many people who are fans of naruhina would like to be stalked everywhere, people like hinata in real life terms are people who are insecure about themselfes and they always call their parner to see where are they to stalk them cause they are afraid that that person is cheating them, but lets be true, if someone whats to cheat on you they will find a way and place whenever, by doing that stalk you are just pushing that person to do that, be free and let others be free, that is also foundation of friendship and real love. Stalk hinata type relationships brake down quickly, and they end up sometimes bad, when guy beats up a girl who broke up with him ,or crazy girl who is stalking by phone all day and night and making all kinds of things to mess up life of that person. Soo in that term many naruhina fans in their hearts are like that on subconcious level, others are boobs and perv all around :-), dominatrics etc, other normal naruhina fans woulve been shocked if their hinata was real person , they would be quickly turned off by that kind of woman, and run like hell from her.

All in all this is my ranting hope you all liked it :-). Wanted to write something bigger cause in a long time i havent seen many narusaku fans writing about their love about the pairing everybody is short these days i remember last year on narutoforums heaven and earth version fandom there was all lively everybody was writting their opinions, but when fanclub broke because it was to big many narusaku ranters were gone for good, hope to read from them some day. It was fun to read all kinds of opinions, so this is mine penny for little narusaku love smile.gif

Edited by Kobayashi, 19 May 2011 - 07:49 AM.


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Posted 19 May 2011 - 07:44 AM

QUOTE (Yoshimoya @ May 19 2011, 02:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Alright I KNOW Sakura was a straight up b*tch and cold to Naruto in the beggining of part one, but even THAT Sakura, let alone the Sakura NOW. No way... no matter how kitteny this girl has been in the past.


Uh no. You are mistaking fanfiction with manga canon. Go reread the manga- Sakura was not a "straight up b*tch to Naruto" Nope, not even in chapter 3. She disliked him because she thought he was tormenting her for his own entertainment (it's right there in the chapter- when she talks to the henged Naruto about Naruto), and his behavior certainly wouldn't have lead her to think any different. (and remember she was tormented by other girls until Ino came along and acted as her protector, so that would make her feel even more sensitive about being as she perceived a regular object of Naruto's mockery- that "Sakura chan" he always addressed her by starting in the later years in the Academy was perceived by Sakura as him mocking her)

But as soon as they start working together and she sees he's not just this loudmouthed obnoxious, incredibly stupid guy but someone determined to reach his goal no matter what, she starts feeling attracted to him subconsciously, and consciously protective of him- even in chapter 5, she acts to save Naruto from what she fears is life threatening danger- without a seconds thought of her own safety. She does this again when Zabuza first attacks, she throws herself on top of Naruto- protecting him from danger. She shows compassion for his freezing in fear when the mercenaries attacked them earlier in that arc too. The anime distorts Sakura's character to be much more stereotypically tsundere than she is in manga canon (they overplay her Sasuke fangirling too, and make her look weaker than she is in manga canon. Then fanfiction exaggerates this even more and too many people forget Sakura's not like that image that shows up even in the majority of so called narusaku fanfiction.)

Naruto's willful ignorance does annoy the heck out her in part 1 and set her temper off (because Sakura highly values learning and takes any chance that comes her way to learn- how she answered every question on the written part of the Chunin exam- something no Genin had ever done without cheating, and she was the only one in her class to do so), Naruto himself doesn't start to realize he'd just hurt himself by being willfully ignorant until later part 1- when he does the rasengan training.

And no problem Kobayashi- you are just pointing out what Kishimoto is trying to tell his readers about relationships. And year western popular storytelling do promote that negative type relationship. Even in shoujo manga even when you have the "cool dude" he isn't that "cool and distant with the girl, he is in love with her and tends to be pretty expressive of his feelings for her from fairly early on.

Edited by ciardha, 19 May 2011 - 07:55 AM.

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Posted 19 May 2011 - 07:52 AM

Kobayashi I take my hat off to you great job, honestly well done.

You know how we say sS and Nh fans are being blind, but what if we are reading to much into it?

Also their always is a possibility that it is sasuke, but I highly doubt it. Besides isn't Naruto about to show up to the war and for her to say something like that right before he comes seems like foreshadowing to me.

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Posted 19 May 2011 - 08:01 AM

QUOTE (bthug @ May 19 2011, 03:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Kobayashi I take my hat off to you great job, honestly well done.

You know how we say sS and Nh fans are being blind, but what if we are reading to much into it?

Also their always is a possibility that it is sasuke, but I highly doubt it. Besides isn't Naruto about to show up to the war and for her to say something like that right before he comes seems like foreshadowing to me.


It's not Sasuke. Kishimoto already made it clear it's Naruto. Seriously, the western style of romantic story telling makes too many westerners misread Japanese manga's romantic storytelling.
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Posted 19 May 2011 - 08:07 AM

Ciardha always glad to read you opinions about NaruSaku, cause they are great, nice to read, old school :-)

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Posted 19 May 2011 - 08:36 AM

Kobayashi, loved your post, I love it when someone gets all analyticall and writes an essay. smile.gif

Bwt, Yoshimoya nice to see you here again, I was wondering where you went.

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Posted 19 May 2011 - 09:16 AM

Kobayashi I suggest you edit your first post and remove your second if you dont want to receive a warning for double posting.

I agree with you whole-heartedly that a healthy relationship requires the 2 to be best-friends, not just infatuation and passion. But I am sad to say the current generation has been mind-warped into thinking otherwise with all the kind of romantic shows that is around the media. Its quite rare to find a love story developed based on years and years of friendship. Most of the ones you see are mostly wild strong passion and that is what people nowadays will form their mindset. They will never treat their partner as a friend. All they think about is "love" and if something goes wrong, they dont have the foundation of "friendship" that would help them stick together through thick and thin.

And not to mention they also fear to love their long time friend romantically because they fear they would lose them if the "love fails". This is because they didn't know friendship and romantic love complements each other and can make it even stronger.

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Posted 19 May 2011 - 09:58 AM

Kobayashi, nice post. Well done! (vidim da nas ovdje ima više, nisam jedini biggrin.gif )

QUOTE (ciardha @ May 19 2011, 10:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's not Sasuke. Kishimoto already made it clear it's Naruto. Seriously, the western style of romantic story telling makes too many westerners misread Japanese manga's romantic storytelling.


Correct! wink.gif

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Posted 19 May 2011 - 11:22 AM

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Kobayashi, nice post. Well done! (vidim da nas ovdje ima više, nisam jedini biggrin.gif )


(nisi nikad ni bio jedini, došla sam prije tebe tongue.gif ) Hehe, sorry about that you guys, just a little croatian get-together. We'll get back on topic now.

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Posted 19 May 2011 - 02:00 PM

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Posted 19 May 2011 - 02:10 PM

What do you guys think about the Iwa-Nin that had a crush on Sakura and his impact on Naruto? It's pretty much guaranteed he'll die protecting Sakura, but I wonder how Naruto would feel about him sacrificing himself for Sakura??

Pissed?? (4TK level-pissed) maybe.

Your thoughts??

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Posted 19 May 2011 - 02:24 PM

He'd probably kill who'd ever try to kill her (except maybe Sasuke, lol)

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Posted 19 May 2011 - 02:30 PM

QUOTE (Codus N @ May 19 2011, 10:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What do you guys think about the Iwa-Nin that had a crush on Sakura and his impact on Naruto? It's pretty much guaranteed he'll die protecting Sakura, but I wonder how Naruto would feel about him sacrificing himself for Sakura??

Pissed?? (4TK level-pissed) maybe.

Your thoughts??


Why would he be pissed? I think he'll be disappointed that he's not the who sacrificed himself or the fact that another person sacrificed his life for Sakura but he didn't.

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QUOTE (Codus N @ May 19 2011, 04:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What do you guys think about the Iwa-Nin that had a crush on Sakura and his impact on Naruto? It's pretty much guaranteed he'll die protecting Sakura, but I wonder how Naruto would feel about him sacrificing himself for Sakura??

Pissed?? (4TK level-pissed) maybe.

Your thoughts??


I hope he'll find out about it, because I have a feeling this'll be resolved before he gets to her. We don't know where Naruto is exactly going or how far, so why would he go to the medic tent first?

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Posted 19 May 2011 - 05:13 PM

QUOTE (Kim @ May 19 2011, 10:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I hope he'll find out about it, because I have a feeling this'll be resolved before he gets to her. We don't know where Naruto is exactly going or how far, so why would he go to the medic tent first?

To see Sakura? biggrin.gif

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Posted 19 May 2011 - 05:14 PM

QUOTE (Kobayashi @ May 19 2011, 08:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So much denying in other fandoms i was "whar the heck" they will not see it until the very end, so it is save for kishimoto to develop narusaku even further without fear of losing other pairing fans, cause they are so oblivious that when narusaku happens they will say wth how this has happened, kishi is trolling us cause he never liked naruhina or kishi is a bad writter or he was thretend that he was going go te killed by some "crazy" narusaku fan so he was so scared he wrote narusaku ending. If kishi would only know that no matter what he writes he would not lose sasusaku or naruhina fans we would have many many more narusaku moments.

It is crazy but only now i realize in full capacity how people from the west are so influenced by teenage movies and think that sasuke is a bad boy who needs to be rescued and that in the end he will be rescued by her and they will live happily ever after. but they dont know that japanese culture and manga in general have more deeper meaning than every teenage movie where main heroin is saving guy that has fallen so low, or underdog girl/boy is figting for affection of cool girl/boy and in the and he or she wins that love. But lets face it when that happened in real live sure if you are not famous as a tenager you will fantasize about that cause it shows your inner dreams when you were a teenager, dreams of acceptance and to have someone admire you who has spotlight attention. But later on people who dont develop as persons they cling to those emotions and fantasies , others grow up from that shalownes.

when i was younger when i liked being "cool" i liked to be like sasuke cold guy who never shows emotions, that drivers crazy lots of girls, cause they dont know what is with this guy why is he not paying attention to me i must have him he is soo cool, it goes other way around, but that is all shallow in my opinion.

I grew from that shallownes when i found out that relationships based on that have no real love and frendship no real talk about things , about problems no honesty, only infatuation and passion, passion that drives you crazy in the end, always moving limits of passion till it destroys you.
For a healthy long term relationship you have to be best friend with the person you like (who is better example tha naruto and sakura) accept who she or he is, no judging flaws, but acepting them cause they also make that person unique. Knowing its flaws and virtues not shallow fangirling or fanboying that someone is pefect like kishimoto is showing sakura past time deliberatly only to show her growth today, but that is not enough to stop the bashing of sakura. Love that comes from friendship is love that is so much stronger than passion love, it is love that has a chance through storms of life and chance of coming live through those storms, but passion love sinks at the first sign of wind, in real meaning those kind of relationships tend to brake down for the slithest problems that are not even problems.

So this manga has cauth my attention cause it is realistic in term of relationship betwen naruto and sakura it is so human and how real love should be like, and i think that kishimoto figured out this though his life, his manga would not be good if he didnt pour his heart into it, his thoughts about life, love,friendship, because he is pouring his heart into it it is that good .
I,now older and i think wiser through life situations and with more experience can tell that i would like strong willed, determened and honest girl around me, who doesnt beat aroud the bush,allways yaping about trivial things, who can stand by me in times of good and evil without looking back and thinking i shouldve picked the other guy, who on the other hand is soft and has her girly side and is so humane and has emphaty to the other people, heck that would be perfect girl in real life , but they are rare, many girls think they are like this but are not, one of hundred or more is like this.

I would compare narusaku love as a foundation for healthy marriage, and type of marriage where you see old couple who has 70 or 80 years and they are so in love with each other and caring for each other, and are always with one another. Once i saw this kind of pair and when wife died, you shouldev seen how the man weeped for that woman, it broke everyones heart on the funeral it was so strong and everybody could see the love, cause they knew the pair. Passion love cant endure this many years if it has not friendship = philia then Eros = passion, and on top of all this agape = real selfsacrificing love that endures till the end. Narusaku in all aspects, they have strong friendship, passion flirtous ways, and selfsacrificing for one another till the end. (yeah sasusaku has sacrifice too, but sasuke whants to sacrifice sakura :-) )

If Sasusaku was two side love it would be passion love with no foundation for agape love, but it was one sided love so it cant even go into category of competing as a love that has a chance.
As for naruhina, i am wondering how many people who are fans of naruhina would like to be stalked everywhere, people like hinata in real life terms are people who are insecure about themselfes and they always call their parner to see where are they to stalk them cause they are afraid that that person is cheating them, but lets be true, if someone whats to cheat on you they will find a way and place whenever, by doing that stalk you are just pushing that person to do that, be free and let others be free, that is also foundation of friendship and real love. Stalk hinata type relationships brake down quickly, and they end up sometimes bad, when guy beats up a girl who broke up with him ,or crazy girl who is stalking by phone all day and night and making all kinds of things to mess up life of that person. Soo in that term many naruhina fans in their hearts are like that on subconcious level, others are boobs and perv all around :-), dominatrics etc, other normal naruhina fans woulve been shocked if their hinata was real person , they would be quickly turned off by that kind of woman, and run like hell from her.

All in all this is my ranting hope you all liked it :-). Wanted to write something bigger cause in a long time i havent seen many narusaku fans writing about their love about the pairing everybody is short these days i remember last year on narutoforums heaven and earth version fandom there was all lively everybody was writting their opinions, but when fanclub broke because it was to big many narusaku ranters were gone for good, hope to read from them some day. It was fun to read all kinds of opinions, so this is mine penny for little narusaku love smile.gif


great post very true and real. i'll comment more i this sometime. happy.gif

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Posted 19 May 2011 - 07:51 PM

QUOTE (Kim @ May 19 2011, 09:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Kobayashi, loved your post, I love it when someone gets all analyticall and writes an essay. smile.gif

Bwt, Yoshimoya nice to see you here again, I was wondering where you went.


Haha yeah its been a while. Ive been caught up with a lot of other anime, there's a lot of nice romantic animes manga out there ! Still... I must come back to narusaku you know. First couple I truly supported and related with... plus they're just awesome together..

I made a mistake in my past post. I claimed Sakura was a b*tch in the beginning of part 1. I take it back... she had her moments, no doubt about that. But she was a sweet misguided girl... not a complete b*tch.

I can feel a moment coming up, what about you guys?!*! Kishi is setting the stage to remind Sakura that Naruto is the TARGET and could die any time soon !

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Posted 19 May 2011 - 08:11 PM

QUOTE (ciardha @ May 19 2011, 08:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's not Sasuke. Kishimoto already made it clear it's Naruto. Seriously, the western style of romantic story telling makes too many westerners misread Japanese manga's romantic storytelling.


Yeah Western culture varies greatly from Japanese culture and well I'm pretty sure all western Naruto fans started with the anime which really doesn't do Sakura justice because all the tender moments between them are over shadowed by the amounts of times she hit him and its pretty excessive too in those anime only scenes where he tries to get close to her she just insensitively punches him (I know its NOT canon but its still pretty impressionable on anime watchers that don't follow the manga) besides westerners don't take tsundere type well I'm sure they just think they're B****y for no reason dry.gif so all in all Yet another hint of NaruSaku graces its presence on us I would love to see some more romantic moments wow.png


QUOTE (Kobayashi @ May 19 2011, 02:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Thx to everyone. Glad you all liked it.
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I liked your essay too biggrin.gif

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Posted 19 May 2011 - 10:35 PM

QUOTE (Yoshimoya @ May 20 2011, 03:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Haha yeah its been a while. Ive been caught up with a lot of other anime, there's a lot of nice romantic animes manga out there ! Still... I must come back to narusaku you know. First couple I truly supported and related with... plus they're just awesome together..


Hey can you recommend me some romantic animes? I have alot of time on my hands now and would like to use it while I still can.

I really hope Sakura gets a good fight. This is LONG overdue since she defeated Sasori. Well at least she defeated a member of Akatsuki compared to some characters who didn't have a proper one-on-one fight.

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Posted 20 May 2011 - 12:10 AM

QUOTE (Darth Krypt @ May 19 2011, 10:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hey can you recommend me some romantic animes? I have alot of time on my hands now and would like to use it while I still can.

I really hope Sakura gets a good fight. This is LONG overdue since she defeated Sasori. Well at least she defeated a member of Akatsuki compared to some characters who didn't have a proper one-on-one fight.


Sure thing! Check your inbox. I'll send you a message after this.

Sakura developments coming up no worries pplss im pretty sure on this.

^Adam Couple. KPOP couple <3 google them! They're like an anime couple I swear to God. Watch their show. PM me for link :]




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