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[Cupcake-chan]

you guys are makeing me sifck barf lol

at this point nh is more of a crack pairing
To me its ns or nothing ss with a very slight chance if kish wasent so unpredictibl it would br zero

It's actually the contrary. SS is more unlikely to happen than NH.

[ciardha]

True, but that's throwing psychobable into a Manga aimed at teenagers. Not to detriment the general intelligence of my age group, but all of that really doesn't matter to most of us. Even so, you also have to keep in mind that we're dealing with something that a lot of SasuNaru/NaruSasu shippers forget, and that is context. Even thought it's obvious Naruto cares about Sasuke to an extreme point, it's pretty clear that Naruto has never thought as Sasuke as anything but a brother. That's a line that has never been touched, even by 470, which makes it clear that Naruto won't let go because he feels he understands WHY he's doing all of this. That's more being protective rather than anything that's supposed to be implied as "romantic feelings". That's why I typically disregard all such arguments as pointless, simply by the sheer fact that they contradict the cannon context.

However, I do agree with your overall point Ciardha, it does somewhat have more to stand on than on than the other two pairs in some ways, though none of them really have much at all.

Yeah, I don't think sasunaru will happen either, but at least that argument actually pretty much worked with manga canon not against it. And to that person's credit Kishimoto did say he was trying to make part 2 a lot more complex and would explore all the bonds and it would be a emotionally painful process.

Kishimoto also didn't say only one pairing- he said "maybe, at least, one pairing" That being said I don't think Naruto and Sakura will end up with anyone else, narusaku definitely. If Sasuke ends up with anyone it will be Karin.

I sort of have the reverse feeling about what an encounter between Sakura and Karin will do compared to catsi. I think Karin will be the one effected by Sakura's determination and will start fighting to save Sasuke in her own way much more because of that. I don't think Sakura dwells much on the bench scene in chapter 3. I think that pretty much ended the night Sakura made her confession to Sasuke and he didn't remember that day, and like I said Sakura says to Sasuke "You must hate me..." and knew even there her feelings were and would always be one-sided. Note- Sasuke doesn't refute Sakura's contention that he hates her in that scene, where he shoots down other things she brings up that are more positive. Sasuke as well talks about how he tried for a while but he could never be like Naruto and Sakura, his path is different.

[Gravenimage]

we all have are own opin but for me 450 destroyed NH
with hinata smileing

I'll say if the girl who likes the guy a lot sees him being hug by another girl in a very intimate hug smiles like it wasn't bothering her a all. It could mean that she has decided to let go and move on with her life.

[Cupcake-chan]

I'll say if the girl who likes the guy a lot sees him being hug by another girl in a very intimate hug smiles like it wasn't bothering her a all. It could mean that she has decided to let go and move on with her life.

Let's hope thats what happend.

Edited by Cupcake-chan, 10 January 2010 - 11:47 PM.

[Devil Keyz]

you guys are makeing me sifck barf lol

at this point nh is more of a crack pairing
To me its ns or nothing ss with a very slight chance if kish wasent so unpredictibl it would br zero

I was using NH as an example. i to, get sick at the tought of that tho lol.

[Strangelove]

Kishi doesn't shy away from yaoi that's for sure, but Naruto does, he shies away a lot, usually in a comedic moment involving Sai.

[socermania2]

Lol, if Hinata doesn't get Naruto, it doesn't matter. Her character is about breaking stereotypes about yourself and becoming stronger. And since the Pain arc was about closure, Im pretty sure Hinata's confession was hers.

BUT NO!!! ITS A TRAP!!NARUHINA IS TRU LOEV DATTEBAYO!

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Edited by socermania2, 11 January 2010 - 12:26 AM.

[Froot]

I find it interesting when SN fans provide whole essays/novels/series of arguments for their pairing and how much more canon it is than anybody else's pairings, but it can be disproven by one simple fact...

Naruto isn't gay.

And that's it.

Just like when NaruHina fans argue how much Hinata loves Naruto and how much she deserves him and so on... That, too, can be disproven by a simple fact.

Naruto doesn't love Hinata. (No matter how many times she confesses.)

And I'm being totally unbiased when I say this... No matter how much you analyze, you can't truthfully or realisitically find one simple fact why NaruSaku can't happen.

[ciardha]

I find it interesting when SN fans provide whole essays/novels/series of arguments for their pairing and how much more canon it is than anybody else's pairings, but it can be disproven by one simple fact...

Naruto isn't gay.

And that's it.

Just like when NaruHina fans argue how much Hinata loves Naruto and how much she deserves him and so on... That, too, can be disproven by a simple fact.

Naruto doesn't love Hinata. (No matter how many times she confesses.)

And I'm being totally unbiased when I say this... No matter how much you analyze, you can't truthfully or realisitically find one simple fact why NaruSaku can't happen.

Oh definitely, I'm fairly sure Naruto isn't bi either. I just found that sasunaru shipper theory interesting because it doesn't bash Sakura and it was well thought out- working more with the manga instead of against it. It was supported well enough that I went hmm, that's a good argument.

[Devil Keyz]

Lol i dunno why people bash Sakura alot, i guess she just came across as a b*tch in pt 1. I never liked her until around the middle of pt. 1 i thought she was cool.

[catsi563]

I sort of have the reverse feeling about what an encounter between Sakura and Karin will do compared to catsi. I think Karin will be the one effected by Sakura's determination and will start fighting to save Sasuke in her own way much more because of that

Actually I agree with you Ciardha. She will fight for him but in her own way and i dont believe it will be physical at all and not directly agaisnt Sakura. But your right she will be affected by Sakuras determination and vice versa Sakura will come to know Karins as well.

don't think Sakura dwells much on the bench scene in chapter 3. I think that pretty much ended the night Sakura made her confession to Sasuke and he didn't remember that day, and like I said Sakura says to Sasuke "You must hate me..." and knew even there her feelings were and would always be one-sided. Note- Sasuke doesn't refute Sakura's contention that he hates her in that scene, where he shoots down other things she brings up that are more positive. Sasuke as well talks about how he tried for a while but he could never be like Naruto and Sakura, his path is different.

there is something about the bench scene and my contention of its importance that I should clear up.

I dont belive Sakura is obsessed with the scene itself.

It is the Image of Sasuke that she fell in love with at that bench that is important. much as Naruto held onto the image of Sakura and Sasuke as pre shippuden team 7. Sakura I belive is still holding onto or at least has the need to confront. the Image of that idealized Sasuke. the special one who complimented her forehead and who acknowledged her dreams.

that is what the bench scene means to me. not the moment itself. but the image that moment prompted, and the feelings from that image.

while she may udnerstand her feelings are no longer realistic, I hypothesize that she has to know what was going through Sasukes mind at that time. Why would he be so gentle, so careing? why would he show that he knows her so well as to literally speak her fantasy outloud and almost kiss her.

and then suddenly in the same moment turn on her and reject her so harshly as if it never happened, and later on deny it happened in the first place.

thats what she wants to and needs to confront.

[Strangelove]

Oh definitely, I'm fairly sure Naruto isn't bi either. I just found that sasunaru shipper theory interesting because it doesn't bash Sakura and it was well thought out- working more with the manga instead of against it. It was supported well enough that I went hmm, that's a good argument.

Yeah while NH bashes Sakura constantly, and SS...bashes...uhm???

Who does SS bash? Karin?


And about the bench scene...is when Naruto realized why he liked Sakura so much, because of her search of acknowledgment. I think it was important to Naruto as it was important to Sakura. Sakura thought she had gained Sasuke acknowledgment, and Naruto realized why he liked her. But i think that's just about it. If it comes out again, then its important.

Edited by Strangelove, 11 January 2010 - 05:11 AM.

[The Max]

Debate thread i suppose it's where i go to post my thought about pairing ehh

Let begin with Narusaku.

First Naruto Truly love Sakura. Not just love but True love. I seriously doubt that this kind of love can disappear easily so there is not much to say on his side. Now sakura for me since the begin of the part 2 of the manga there is a real interest from Sakura toward Naruto but the problem is that she did not see Naruto interest in her. One of the main reason i believe to that is the lack of compliment from Naruto, in all of part 2 Naruto complimented Sakura only one time and that was after is arm was wonded after using the rasenshuriken for defeating Kakuzu. During that scene Naruto espress is trust in Sakura healing talent and later that scene is what lead Sakura to almost feed Naruto Ramen. Now after she have heard about Naruto feeling for her from sai this is no longer a problem, but because of what sai told her another problem have arised. That problem is that now Sakura feel guilty about not noticing Naruto love for her before and that mistake is probably one of her mistake. As long has she feel guilty about what she did (even if it was unwillingly) she will have problem to look Naruto in the eyes. Now to get rid of her guilt toward Naruto she decided to kill Sasuke alone even if that make Naruto hate her. Do i need to mention that guilt is a very bad feeling to make wise decision (like going after someone who can kill you easily)?.

Im probalbly biased but i really d'ont see how this pairing will not happen in the end. So much Drama

Now about Naruhina

Not much to say, Naruto never show any kind of romantic affection in the manga for Hinata and never seem to even notice her much even after her confession to him. Now does Hinata love Naruto, well yes but can this love be consider has true love I d'ont think so. During all of part 2 Hinata was never shown caring about Naruto feeling. For me it is enought to say that this is not true love.

Now about Sasusaku

Not much to say here either Sasuke never show any much interest in Sakura the last he truly interacted with Sakura he broke her heart and said "thank you" if he at least said "im sorry" I would understand that he got at least some feeling for her but no. Im certain Sakura did love Sasuke romanticaly at some point of the story but the only thing i seem to see in her when Sasuke is mentionned is regret now. I believ she still got enought feeling for him to understand why he got to be killed now but that mostly all I see to it.

That pretty much resume how i see pairing in the manga.

[Gravenimage]

I will have to agree with everyone about the bench scene it was a very important scene in the manga. Because Naruto finally understood why he likes Sakura so much and she got to know a side of Sasuke she never thought it existed, sadly for her that image of Sasuke never existed since it was never him to begin with. I'm sure if they show Sakura again she might think about that specific scene due that she might have held that memory deep in her heart even if Sasuke told her he didn't remember before leaving Konoha. I believe Sakura has that memory deep in her heart since it was the first time someone complimented her forehead the one thing she was always teased when she was little, someone has actually said what she wanted to be said. That someone read her mind and it was Sasuke nonetheless the boy that she likes. The problem it was never Sasuke to begin with it was all Naruto and it shows how much he knows her because he knew she was teased by her forehead. He knew giving a compliment about her forehead was going to make her happy he knew exactly what to say to her.

However if Sakura does run into Sasuke I don't think he will even mentioned that scene unless Sakura tells him. Even if he has already told her that he doen't remember that day because he was never there with her in the first place. But if Sakura mentions it with Naruto present I think he might tell her the truth I know I looked like I'm making a big deal about this but Kishi could show the bench scene again. Then again he wouldn't but as the awesome writer he is he could add it and show that scene as the only proof of Sakura having any feelings for Sasuke even if she knows that Sauke is gone forever. I just hope we get spoilers for 478 this week early after 2 weeks of absence from SJ.

Edited by Gravenimage, 11 January 2010 - 11:47 AM.

[tekopi]

I will have to agree with everyone about the bench scene it was a very important scene in the manga. Because Naruto finally understood why he likes Sakura so much and she got to know a side of Sasuke she never thought it existed, sadly for her that image of Sasuke never existed since it was never him to begin with. I'm sure if they show Sakura again she might think about that specific scene due that she might have held that memory deep in her heart even if Sasuke told her he didn't remember before leaving Konoha. I believe Sakura has that memory deep in her heart since it was the first time someone complimented her forehead the one thing she was always teased when she was little, someone has actually said what she wanted to be said. That someone read her mind and it was Sasuke nonetheless the boy that she likes. The problem it was never Sasuke to begin with it was all Naruto and it shows how much he knows her because he knew she was teased by her forehead. He knew giving a compliment about her forehead was going to make her happy he knew exactly what to say to her.

However if Sakura does run into Sasuke I don't think he will even mentioned that scene unless Sakura tells him. Even if he has already told her that he doen't remember that day because he was never there with her in the first place. But if Sakura mentions it with Naruto present I think he might tell her the truth I know I looked like I'm making a big deal about this but Kishi could show the bench scene again. Then again he wouldn't but as the awesome writer he is he could add it and show that scene as the only proof of Sakura having any feelings for Sasuke even if she knows that Sauke is gone forever. I just hope we get spoilers for 478 this week early after 2 weeks of absence from SJ.

I don't think that Sakura's gonna forget that bench scene. Because at that time, while everybody keep on laughing her for her appearance, 'Sasuke' is the only person that appreciate her looks.

I do think somewhere, somehow, maybe in the future manga, when the time has become peaceful, she will be reminded back of that very moment.

And plus, not only the Japan fan that saw the canon pairing, most of my friend here ( we live next door to Japan ) also the supporter of N/S. Maybe some of them does think N/H or S/S is a cute pairing, but they agree that the most logical pairing-gonna-be is the N/S

[ciardha]

Yeah while NH bashes Sakura constantly, and SS...bashes...uhm???

Who does SS bash? Karin?

Karin but also Sakura- they use every insult Sasuke ever hurled at Sakura. That's their image of her. They are the ones always throwing around the "useless" insult at Sakura on places like the telegrams section of NF. It's a pretty negative pairing for Sakura even amongst it's shippers. To them Sasuke is a "pimp daddy" with females.

There's a minority of female sasusaku shippers that have the pre 1980's romance novel viewpoint of love- the girl's love, enduring all kinds of abuse, redeems the dark alpha male, they are most active on deviantart. This is not a popular theme in shoujo manga either, so no they didn't pick it up from there either. It's a dark residual undercurrent in the culture and what leads women to get involved with abusive men, in a mistaken belief they can make them better. This mindset though was Sakura's when she confessed to Sasuke, but Sakura has evolved past that. Thank goodness Sasuke wasn't at all interested in Sakura though or she might have made that mistake at that time and lived to very much regret it, like the women who do that in real life do.

Edited by ciardha, 11 January 2010 - 04:09 PM.

[Miss Soupy]

Yeah while NH bashes Sakura constantly, and SS...bashes...uhm???

Who does SS bash? Karin?

And NS bashes Hinata and Sasuke

I wouldn't stereotype the pairing fandoms like that when our own is guilty of the same tardation. There are plenty of NH/SS fans that can debate without having to bash any character. Tards will be tards.

[Gravenimage]

And NS bashes Hinata and Sasuke

I wouldn't stereotype the pairing fandoms like that when our own is guilty of the same tardation. There are plenty of NH/SS fans that can debate without having to bash any character. Tards will be tards.

I'm a pro N/S fan but I don't bash Sasuke and Hinata. I like Hinata but sometimes the obsesses N/H fans overrate her so much that it makes me want to hate her it's their fault. As for Sasuke I don't hate him but the guy needs to move on with his life and let go of the hatred he carries over Konoha otherwise he will become worst than Orochimaru. Then again I think he has already become more evil than Orochimaru.

Edited by Gravenimage, 11 January 2010 - 04:08 PM.