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[Sedna]

Savannah101@ NH has been dead way back in part 1, it has never been a threat to NS. Here's the thing Kishimoto can leave Hinata hanging never giving closure to her character because she's a side character not important to the story. Whether he makes her move on or stay with a puppy crush on Naruto it won't change a thing to the plot at all. Though I would like for her to move on and become an independent person not relying on Naruto, to finally see her ending her tunnel vision. Sadly I think Hinata is going to remain the same, but like I said either way it doesn't change the plot of the story.

Well, lets not go as far as to say that. Kishimoto could've killed Hinata off way back. But he kept her, because she was important to the storyline. As much as I dislike Hinata, I'll admit that NaruHina has a chance of happening. (Although it won't)

[Alessa]

I might be one of the few NS shippers out there who like SS a lot too. Not USED TO like. I like it right now. Because it is complicated and emotional. I started as a SS shippper, but reoriented at NS when the latter ship got more interesting developments in the very end of the part 1. My choice became solid after the timeskip. But I actually thought that SS was way more meaningful and complex in part 1. NS captured my heart because of Sakura and Naruto's awesome synergy. It is hard for me to imagine Sasuke interacting with Sakura on a daily romantic\family basis. They are just so different in temper and outlook on the world. I don't even know what they would talk about, though talking isn't considered important in a relationship in the Japanese culture. I also don't want to see Sakura turn into a baby factory for the sake of ressurection of Sasuke's clan. Sasuke definitely needs a harem for that. Or at least several consecutive wives.

 

What I am saying is that I do actually enjoy SS moments. At least I could.

I would actually love to see Sakura hug Sasuke like she did in part 1. I like their bond and I would like them to remain close forever. I like that she means more to him than any other girl he ever met. I would love to see that he might have some feelings towards her, but just chooses not to act upon them. But I can only accept and enjoy this if it doesn't change Sakura's movement towards Naruto, her falling in love with him. Because Naruto is just better for her and they understand each other much more. I am very dissapointed that Kishi never gave us solid hints that Sakura has strong feelings for Naruto and sees him as a potential lover. Such hints could more or less secure NS in the canon and I could enjoy SS scenes with a relaxed heart. But now it always feels like a survival game. Every new SS moment is an argument against my favorite pairing and a step away from it becoming canon. And this is not inevitable, it's Kishi's writing. I just can't enjoy SS scenes any more, because it feels like a real threat. I mean, we have like 10 chapters till the end of the manga and we still technically have Sakura more or less hung up on Sasuke, even if it is VERY shaky. Every little moment they share may singnal that her feelings are rekindling. And I don't want that.

 

 And I do think that we all could enjoy SS a lot if only Kishi didn't drag the uncertainty of Team 7 love triangle out so much. It is good to have some tension and uncertainty, but all I see now is that the most probable and developed pairing (NS) is the least declared (no confessions and solid romantic interactions). 

Edited by Alessa, 11 September 2014 - 08:34 AM.

[Elicit]

I think overall, NaruSaku is the pairing that has been declared the most throughout the whole manga. Actually, in truth there were more NaruSaku moments in this war arc than either NH or SS.

[elmas]

I think overall, NaruSaku is the pairing that has been declared the most throughout the whole manga. Actually, in truth there were more NaruSaku moments in this war arc than either NH or SS.

Yup.NS had also big moments in this war arc.Girlfriend comment,Saku-Kushi paralel,CPR.

[Elicit]

Yup.NS had also big moments in this war arc.Girlfriend comment,Saku-Kushi paralel,CPR.

Sakura worrying about Naruto in 628, the smile that Naruto had for Sakura when she didn't want to be viewed as a weak woman, Sakura thanking Naruto for still caring about her well-being after Sasuke was willing to let her fall into the lava in priority of the battle with Kaguya. We still get the lion's share of moments.

[elmas]

Sakura worrying about Naruto in 628, the smile that Naruto had for Sakura when she didn't want to be viewed as a weak woman, Sakura thanking Naruto for still caring about her well-being after Sasuke was willing to let her fall into the lava in priority of the battle with Kaguya. We still get the lion's share of moments.

Yeah.There are many moments.Haters say NS didn't have many moments ,they are truly blind.

[narusaku256]

Yeah.There are many moments.Haters say NS didn't have many moments ,they are truly blind.

Common sense is not that common...these days. So...yeah!

[Alessa]

I think overall, NaruSaku is the pairing that has been declared the most throughout the whole manga. Actually, in truth there were more NaruSaku moments in this war arc than either NH or SS.

 

Yup.NS had also big moments in this war arc.Girlfriend comment,Saku-Kushi paralel,CPR.

Wow wow, guys. I said they were the most developed and that is what you are talking about too. We agree on that.

Anyway, I argued that NS is the least DECLARED, meaning that we have little hints, smiles, emotional speeches and moments of true connection between Sakura and Naruto. But we never had moments of true romantic approaches. Like Sakura's confession to Sasuke before he left in part one. Or Hinata's confession to Naruto. (I don't think of Hinata's hand-holding or Sakura's hug as sexualy charged). We know that feelings matter the most, but both Naruto and Sakura never declared their feelings openly to each other. Even Sakura's confession was regarded by Sakura herself as her way to save Naruto. And this matters on a very deep level, but it is not an open declaration of love. Both NH and SS had their vivid declarations. It doesn't mean they are stronger than NS (they were very one-sided after all), but it means that NS is the least DECLARED (in manga scenes). We might see that Naruto still loves Sakura and that Sakura grows towards Naruto, but we never had a solid manga confirmation even from Naruto, it is still us reading between the lines.

Also there is nothing more platonic than CPR when a person is dying. The thoughts about saving the person's dream while giving CPR - that matters in romantic way. Still not a declaration.

Edited by Alessa, 11 September 2014 - 09:33 AM.

[elmas]

 

Wow wow, guys. I said they were the most developed and that is what you are talking about too. We agree on that.

Anyway, I argued that NS is the least DECLARED, meaning that we have little hints, smiles, emotional speeches and moments of true connection between Sakura and Naruto. But we never had moments of true romantic approaches. Like Sakura's confession to Sasuke before he left in part one. Or Hinata's confession to Naruto. (I don't think of Hinata's hand-holding or Sakura's hug as sexualy charged). We know that feelings matter the most, but both Naruto and Sakura never declared their feelings openly to each other. Even Sakura's confession was regarded by Sakura herself as her way to save Naruto. And this matters on a very deep level, but it is not an open declaration of love. Both NH and SS had their vivid declarations. It doesn't mean they are stronger than NS (they were very one-sided after all), but it means that NS is the least DECLARED (in manga scenes). We might see that Naruto still loves Sakura and that Sakura grows towards Naruto, but we never had a solid manga confirmation even from Naruto, it is still us reading between the lines.

Also there is nothing more platonic than CPR when a person is dying. The thoughts about saving the person's dream while giving CPR - that matters in romantic way. Still not the declaration.

Well you're right we still don't have a solid confirmation.Btw CPR is a moment for me though 663 is totally NS centric moment.I don't think it's platonic but it's my opinion.

[Elicit]

I don't really consider that as a factor that gives NH/SS more chances when the author has given us the reason for why Naruto hasn't openly declared his love for Sakura (feeling unworthy, because of not being able to keep his promises) and Sakura mostly had her eyes on Sasuke throughout most of the manga. I wouldn't worry too much about that, such declarations are going to happen and are inevitable at this point.

[Alessa]

Well you're right we still don't have a solid confirmation.Btw CPR is a moment for me though 663 is totally NS centric moment.I don't think it's platonic but it's my opinion.

I agree that from a literature perspective author's choice to draw this scene is definitely a choice to give the two (Sakura and Naruto) a "moment" in a romantic sense, to give their relationship more development and depth. I just think that Sakura was not thinking about what she was doing as something intimate (like a kiss) when she was doing it. She was devastated by the thought of Naruto dying (which is way more important than the contact of the lips) and was ready to do anything to save him. I also feel a lot more respect for her that she was ready to make all those medical procedures with such composure and professionalism. If she acted flustered and embarassed during or after CPR, I would be very dissapointed.

But author's intentions matter a lot. Especially since CPR is often used as a comedic relief in anime and manga - "oh! it was my first kiss!" kind of thing. He might have had it in mind when he made a choice.

So I think that the CPR matters as a NS moment, it is definitely a NS moment (even if Naruto never knows it happened). But I still think it was not romantic from Sakura's point of view.

I believe that Sakura could give CPR to any dying soldier if he needed it. She is a medic after all. But it matters that Kishi drew her doing it to Naruto of all people.

Why do you think it was not platonic?

[Alessa]

I don't really consider that as a factor that gives NH/SS more chances when the author has given us the reason for why Naruto hasn't openly declared his love for Sakura (feeling unworthy, because of not being able to keep his promises) and Sakura mostly had her eyes on Sasuke throughout most of the manga. I wouldn't worry too much about that, such declarations are going to happen and are inevitable at this point.

Exactly what I said - "Both NH and SS had their vivid declarations. It doesn't mean they are stronger than NS (they were very one-sided after all), but it means that NS is the least DECLARED (in manga scenes)."

I do believe that NS has all the chances to become canon, I just don't see it as a SOLID end pairing until there is a vivd romantic declaration. And since we never had one, it is hard to enjoy moments like Sasuke catching Sakura in Kaguya's dimension or Hinata and Naruto's hand-holding. Those are beautiful and emotional scenes that are meant to be enjoyed by everyone. It is just that this major uncertainty of the position of the central pairing (NS) causes the perception of those scenes as major threats. 

After all NH fans are confident their pairing is almost solid canon as much as we are. Why? (without bashing them, please don't) Because NS, being the most developed, still never got vivid declarations. This leaves NH and SS ground to speculate that Naruto might not love Sakura anymore and that Sakura's feeling towards Sasuke never faltered. And we can't enjoy Hinata as a character as well as her emotional interactions with Naruto who certainly played a big and beautiful role in her life. Just as Hinata played a big role in his. Same with Sakura and Sasuke.

[elmas]

I agree that from a literature perspective author's choice to draw this scene is definitely a choice to give the two (Sakura and Naruto) a "moment" in a romantic sense, to give their relationship more development and depth. I just think that Sakura was not thinking about what she was doing as something intimate (like a kiss) when she was doing it. She was devastated by the thought of Naruto dying (which is way more important than the contact of the lips) and was ready to do anything to save him. I also feel a lot more respect for her that she was ready to make all those medical procedures with such composure and professionalism. If she acted flustered and embarassed during or after CPR, I would be very dissapointed.

But author's intentions matter a lot. Especially since CPR is often used as a comedic relief in anime and manga - "oh! it was my first kiss!" kind of thing. He might have had it in mind when he made a choice.

So I think that the CPR matters as a NS moment, it is definitely a NS moment (even if Naruto never knows it happened). But I still think it was not romantic from Sakura's point of view.

I believe that Sakura could give CPR to any dying soldier if he needed it. She is a medic after all. But it matters that Kishi drew her doing it to Naruto of all people.

Why do you think it was not platonic?

Yeah you're right.She's a medic but we never saw her doing CPR in manga.She did it to only Naruto.Umm I can't answer your question maybe but ummm well I always thought CPR is the Kiss of Life so for me it's romantic.You give him/her your breath to keep him/her alive.But of course when someone is doing CPR,s/he's not thinking about romance.So I don't know lol but it's not platonic for me.

[LadyGT]

I see japanese fans on twitter saying that the new episode has Narusaku.

[rocci]

@alessa
There are no "meaningful" naruto >>><<<sakura moment in this arc.
There's only one side come from sakura >>>naruto(2 or 3 times) and naruto>>>sakura(1 time).

[六道仙人]

I see japanese fans on twitter saying that the new episode has Narusaku.

 

that's nice

[Gravenimage]

Savannah101@ I never said anything about killing Hinata off. He won't kill anyone from the rookies as a way of showing the next generation. I meant he can leave her with a crush on Naruto even when he has gotten together with Sakura. She's not important to the story he can make an epilogue showing the important characters (team 7) and leave the rest out because they don't matter.

[Alessa]

Yeah you're right.She's a medic but we never saw her doing CPR in manga.She did it to only Naruto.Umm I can't answer your question maybe but ummm well I always thought CPR is the Kiss of Life so for me it's romantic.You give him/her your breath to keep him/her alive.But of course when someone is doing CPR,s/he's not thinking about romance.So I don't know lol but it's not platonic for me.

I just hope it wasn't Kishimoto's way to give the fandom "NS kiss" to their delight, but in a form that has no consequences, because he is never going to give them a real kiss in the future and is going to leave an open ending or smth. After all, we GOT the kiss, no one can complain much.

 

 

@alessa
There are no "meaningful" naruto >>><<<sakura moment in this arc.
There's only one side come from sakura >>>naruto(2 or 3 times) and naruto>>>sakura(1 time).

It would be interesting to know which scenes you mean and what you consider "meaningful".

 

Savannah101@ I never said anything about killing Hinata off. He won't kill anyone from the rookies as a way of showing the next generation. I meant he can leave her with a crush on Naruto even when he has gotten together with Sakura. She's not important to the story he can make an epilogue showing the important characters (team 7) and leave the rest out because they don't matter.

He already killed Neji.

And I agree with you.

Edited by Alessa, 11 September 2014 - 11:13 AM.

[LadyGT]

 

that's nice

 

Yeah even though I have no idea what happened.

 

 

 

Ok I found something...

Edited by LadyGT, 11 September 2014 - 11:14 AM.

[Alessa]

I see japanese fans on twitter saying that the new episode has Narusaku.

Where is your signature from? Which epsiode or...?