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[hinataiscreepy]

Tashigi loses a lot. Losing is never sexy. Fans don't understand that its ok to lose as long as you want to become stronger especially if you are a good person. The issue is that Oda in part 2 makes her lose for the sake of it in PH unlike part 1.

 

The fact that she kinda whines like an annoying feminist makes her lose a lot of points. Considering that she was raised in a very chauvinistic world like Old Japan I can understand why she has a sore loser personality and complains. I think she is one of the most relatable character in the series of having flaws that won't make you automatically likable, wanting to be stronger, being naive, being crushed seeing the institution that she thought was righteous being rotten and corrupt (the WG hiding the true, Crocodile taunting, Vergo san). 

 

She is definitely a better character than Hinata for actually having chemistry with her love interest, an actual goal, has backbone and she also wants to defeat Zoro eventually which is no easy ambition at all.

 

I am disappointed that she never got the chance to shine but Wano will hopefully be her arc. Fans usually don't put much thought into their vote as well. There are some guys who would vote for the mermaid princess and Rebecca cause they are hotter with large racks and that's it despite being rather bland and uninteresting.

[Fyuria'sLeo]

Tashigi loses a lot. Losing is never sexy. Fans don't understand that its ok to lose as long as you want to become stronger especially if you are a good person. The issue is that Oda in part 2 makes her lose for the sake of it in PH unlike part 1.

 

The fact that she kinda whines like an annoying feminist makes her lose a lot of points. Considering that she was raised in a very chauvinistic world like Old Japan I can understand why she has a sore loser personality and complains. I think she is one of the most relatable character in the series of having flaws that won't make you automatically likable, wanting to be stronger, being naive, being crushed seeing the institution that she thought was righteous being rotten and corrupt (the WG hiding the true, Crocodile taunting, Vergo san). 

 

She is definitely a better character than Hinata for actually having chemistry with her love interest, an actual goal, has backbone and she also wants to defeat Zoro eventually which is no easy ambition at all.

 

I am disappointed that she never got the chance to shine but Wano will hopefully be her arc. Fans usually don't put much thought into their vote as well. There are some guys who would vote for the mermaid princess and Rebecca cause they are hotter with large racks and that's it despite being rather bland and uninteresting.

I honestly like Rebecca and Shirahoshi for there characters, I just do not like Tashigi's character is all, she annoys me.

[AHK]

Tashigi loses a lot. Losing is never sexy. Fans don't understand that its ok to lose as long as you want to become stronger especially if you are a good person. The issue is that Oda in part 2 makes her lose for the sake of it in PH unlike part 1.
 
The fact that she kinda whines like an annoying feminist makes her lose a lot of points. Considering that she was raised in a very chauvinistic world like Old Japan I can understand why she has a sore loser personality and complains. I think she is one of the most relatable character in the series of having flaws that won't make you automatically likable, wanting to be stronger, being naive, being crushed seeing the institution that she thought was righteous being rotten and corrupt (the WG hiding the true, Crocodile taunting, Vergo san). 
 
She is definitely a better character than Hinata for actually having chemistry with her love interest, an actual goal, has backbone and she also wants to defeat Zoro eventually which is no easy ambition at all.
 
I am disappointed that she never got the chance to shine but Wano will hopefully be her arc. Fans usually don't put much thought into their vote as well. There are some guys who would vote for the mermaid princess and Rebecca cause they are hotter with large racks and that's it despite being rather bland and uninteresting.

What? Love interest?

I think her always losing is for the best, not because "just because". She is, in a way, extremely arrogant. Her fight with law is an example, and she needs to realize that this is the new world. Unless she changes her attitude about her enemies, then she can't actually progress. She's lucky, she could have died, but Law spared her.

It sounds harsh, but in the way I just described, she's pretty weak minded. Smoker makes up for that, and will continue to guide her until she learns.

[FoolishYoungling]

Yeah! Her love interest! Zoro x Tashigi > Luffy x Nami

[RedFaction]

What? Love interest?

I think her always losing is for the best, not because "just because". She is, in a way, extremely arrogant. Her fight with law is an example, and she needs to realize that this is the new world. Unless she changes her attitude about her enemies, then she can't actually progress. She's lucky, she could have died, but Law spared her.

It sounds harsh, but in the way I just described, she's pretty weak minded. Smoker makes up for that, and will continue to guide her until she learns.

Man, I didn't know there was so much hostility towards Tashigi here. I don't think she's weak willed at all, because she has a pretty ambitious goal of defeating Zoro. She may never accomplish it but that's simply because she's not a main character, unlike Zoro.

 

Also, if you're going to say she's extremely arrogant you're going to have to say Smoker is too because he has tried fighting people that are leagues above him on multiple occasions. I personally don't see the problem, as they both have a lot of room to improve.

 

And do I really have to say that it's obvious that Zoro's love interest is Tashigi? It's either going to be her or no one, and I really don't see how it could be any other way.

 

I'm sure someone here will disagree with me, but you're not going to convince me to be a Tashigi hater.

Edited by RedFaction, 11 September 2015 - 02:26 AM.

[AHK]

Man, I didn't know there was so much hostility towards Tashigi here. I don't think she's weak willed at all, because she has a pretty ambitious goal of defeating Zoro. She may never accomplish it but that's simply because she's not a main character, unlike Zoro.
 
Also, if you're going to say she's extremely arrogant you're going to have to say Smoker is too because he has tried fighting people that are leagues above him on multiple occasions. I personally don't see the problem, as they both have a lot of room to improve.
 
And do I really have to say that it's obvious that Zoro's love interest is Tashigi? It's either going to be her or no one, and I really don't see how it could be any other way.
 
I'm sure someone here will disagree with me, but you're not going to convince me to be a Tashigi hater.

Okay...I'm not a Tashigi hater, I just don't care about her. I never said weak willed, I said weak minded. Smoker doesn't display anywhere near the amount of arrogance she does. The only time he's ever fought people much stronger him was against Vergo and Doflamingo. Against Doflamingo, he was fighting to protect his subordinates, and against Vergo, he was stalling for law. When he fights people above him, it's never because he believes he's better than he really is, it's because he's trying to save his soldiers.

Another example is in Alabasta. Smoker had his life saved by Luffy and let them escape. He sided with them. He ordered Tashigi to either save the country, or go after Luffy and company, and at first she chose going after the Straw Hats because of a stupid grudge and because she was incredibly arrogant. She only changed tact later. And it was a good thing she ran into Robin and Crocodile, because she had to eat her arrogance twice in succession.

Even at the end of Alabasta, she prioritized her "vengeance" of Zoro over her sense of justice, and took a bit of a step backwards.

No, it's not obvious that she's Zoro's "love interest" considering they've had zero actual interaction at an intimate level. They've talked and butted heads, that's it.

Don't really care if you're not a Tashigi hater, but I'm not one either. I don't care for her. But not caring for her doesn't mean I can't be critical, and being critical doesn't mean that I'm a hater or anything. I just hold the characters in this series to a high standard because of the nature of the series. I generally don't dislike anyone. Except Usopp. He can be funny at times, and cool at times, but his water 7 stunt sort of guaranteed that I'll probably never be a fan.

[hinataiscreepy]

@AHK I do think Tashigi is very smilar to Sakura and Usopp in the sense that she is really flawed and relatable like a normal person and she is not a one dimensional fan service girl like Rebecca or the mermaid princess. They are too superficially charming, eye candy, idealistic and one dimensional kinda like Hinata but not as bad. Maybe that's why Tashigi gets a lot of hate because she is a very realistic character.

 

Normal people tend to like people who seem perfect and being alpha but that's a fallacy cause no one is perfect. Even Luffy has his moments of fail like not being able to save Ace despite being a complete fearless badass.

 

The fact that she is able to see the straw hats are not evil is a major plus. The fact that she can realize her mistakes and make better decisions is something to look up to. If it were not for her Usopp and Vivi would have been killed and Alabasta would have been destroyed and Crocodile would have won. When she had a golden opportunity   to capture the straw hats she doesn't do it because she knows they were the true heroes and it would be dishonorable to arrest them when they are defenseless.  In contrast, her men wanted to take that opportunity to arrest them and told them to shut up cause I know what's right. She is a badass alright. Smoker trusted her because she knew that she would make the right decisions when the time comes. She is more naive than him but she is more than able to make the wisest choices and that's why Smoker values her as a subordinate because they are complementary and similar.

 

Smoker did not want to ally himself with Luffy and Law but Tashigi stood up to him and told that saving the kids and stopping Vergo was more important than their pride. She is able to to stand up for herself even against Smoker who is too stubborn and proud.

 

I think its really ridiculous that she ranks lower than Bellamy in popularity poll. I mean Bellamy literally knows that DD is a manipulative douche and Luffy is being very kind despite his past. That idiot still tries to kill Luffy despite knowing all this cause he loves Doffy so much and Luffy hesitates to punch him and even takes direct blows from him. I can't feel any sympathy for him because he is not able to stand up for  himself. I had more sympathy for Gin who did not have the heart to kill Sanji when he was defenseless and stood up to Krieg and even saved Luffy by giving his mask.

 

I understand why a lot of fans can find her whining and arrogance annoying and a  turn off. However, I think there is a reason why she is like this. Let's face it Tashigi is a version of Kuina who never met Zoro and always carried that fear of not being able to compete against the higher tiers. Zoro thinks she is identical to Kuina in every way possible. Kuina used to sound arrogant, and annoyingly all mighty but I think she is only acting tough so that people take her seriously and don't look her down as a weak girl. Deep down inside, she is truly kind hearted and vulnerable to her insecurities when she breaks down in tears. I think Tashigi is the same and her arrogance is an appearance to hide her vulnerability. She tries to look tough and all mighty because she wants to be acknowledged as a worthy swordsman by people like Zoro. Deep down she is extremely kind hearted as well when she meets Zoro for the first time. Nami even goes as far to compare her to Bellemere which is the highest praise you could get from Nami.

 

They are in love all right. They argue like a married couple its hilarious.

 

https://www.reddit.c...70_sbs_summary/

 

-“In 692, when Nami and Luffy reunite, it looks like Tashigi is being carried by a Marine, but didn’t she say earlier, to Zoro, ‘When we meet up with my men, put me down!’?”-> 

 

Oda: “The thing is, she hadn’t given Zoro the order, and also, he’s a pirate. It’s no problem being carried by her own men. I wonder if there’s another embarrassing reason… well, I don’t much understand the hearts of young women.”

 

 

Honestly, I think you should give her the benefit of the doubt.

Edited by hinataiscreepy, 11 September 2015 - 04:11 AM.

[FoolishYoungling]

Tashigi just trying to score that green hair swordsman right quick. Not her fault she can charm the Pirate King's first mate. Nami gotta use her breast to get to Luffy. Tashigi just use her presence itself. 10/10 girl I would marry.

[hinataiscreepy]

Tashigi is like the only girl who is able to make Marimo lose his cool and run like hell. They are just fun together and I love how she annoys him. Its never boring.

 

Nami already did that to Luffy.

 

 

 

 

 

[FoolishYoungling]

[Fyuria'sLeo]

AHK tore apart the Tashigi fan base and they are trying to pick the pieces up.

 

Im proud of you AHK.

[hinataiscreepy]

@fyura's Oh come on man. I did not even tell AHK that Tashigi is perfect and he should worship her like Hinatards would say.  I closed my statement by saying that he should at least give this character the benefit of the doubt or at least try to understand why I like and hold her to a very high esteem and maybe reread her moments with my interpretation so that he can have a more objective view on her character. That doesn't mean he should become her fan I am suggesting that he should try to understand why there are people who like her.

 

Please don't be so judgmental of others because I am trying to at least understand why people dislike her instead of judging them. Hinatards are despicable because they judge Sakura without any sort of tolerance, understanding, and with no sense of objectivity

 

I actually think most fans misunderstand her as well and she is getting the Sakura Haruno treatment  and I don't want to see it happen to her as well.

 

She is often mocked for being weak and I am "Yeah it never happened to Luffy he was always a badass... its not like he called himself weak after losing Ace... oh wait he did". My point is that everyone fails at a certain point but some people do it faster than other.

 

I think Tashigi and Usopp are more relatable (normal) cause they are flawed and continuously have to prove that they are stronger. I think they are better characters than Law who is way too likable and is not as engaging in the regard of becoming stronger. When he becomes even stronger in his NW debut than his part 1 self but the issue is that we really never really see struggle, have low self esteem, and suffer to become exponentially stronger. Its not satisfying because we are not seeing enough struggle to root for this character. Don't get me wrong, I think he has a badass design and personality but I do feel he is kinda bland now and I really preferred his laid back Han Solo personality of part 1 and I don't feel the friendship between Luffy and him. Its more satisfying when they actually succeed in something because they struggle more and tend to do and say bad things that real people would do. For instance, I think Usopp's acting stubborn and proud and getting into argument was one of the most realistic argument cause I think anyone could recognize themselves into that dispute. The way he begged for forgiveness was beautiful because he realized that pride and selfishness can't erase what feels like years of a beautiful friendship. In real life, more than often you swallow your pride because you realize that the bond that you share with your family is more important than your ego. Nose kun succeeding is way more satisfying than characters like Law who were already badass from the way they were introduced into the story because its easier to empathize with him. Its the fact characters like Usopp and Tashigi are not perfect and relatable (yet still kind hearted) that makes me root for them even more .

Edited by hinataiscreepy, 11 September 2015 - 02:17 PM.

[FoolishYoungling]

I still can't wait to see what you Tashigi doubters say when she takes off like Oda said she would. You guys not listening to what Oda already told us would happen. That's fine.

 

umm

no wonder you spend your time with a blue goat waifu

[Phantom_999]

roger blinks and tashigi is dead.

 

What did Tashigi do to you that you rob her of her future husband?  Lol Zoro I mean. (right Jordon?)

Edited by Phantom_999, 11 September 2015 - 02:28 PM.

[FoolishYoungling]

 

What did Tashigi do to you that you rob her of her future husband?  Lol Zoro I mean. (right Jordon?)

Oh she's gonna get her man.

 

Notice how Zoro didn't care about spying on a nude Nami. He just wants babies with Tashigi. He's a loyal man.

[Fyuria'sLeo]

@fyura's Oh come on man. I did not even tell AHK that Tashigi is perfect and he should worship her like Hinatards would say.  I closed my statement by saying that he should at least give this character the benefit of the doubt or at least try to understand why I like and hold her to a very high esteem and maybe reread her moments with my interpretation so that he can have a more objective view on her character. That doesn't mean he should become her fan I am suggesting that he should try to understand why there are people who like her.

 

Please don't be so judgmental of others because I am trying to at least understand why people dislike her instead of judging them. Hinatards are despicable because they judge Sakura without any sort of tolerance, understanding, and with no sense of objectivity

 

I actually think most fans misunderstand her as well and she is getting the Sakura Haruno treatment  and I don't want to see it happen to her as well.

 

She is often mocked for being weak and I am "Yeah it never happened to Luffy he was always a badass... its not like he called himself weak after losing Ace... oh wait he did". My point is that everyone fails at a certain point but some people do it faster than other.

 

I think Tashigi and Usopp are more relatable (normal) cause they are flawed and continuously have to prove that they are stronger. I think they are better characters than Law who is way too likable and is not as engaging in the regard of becoming stronger. When he becomes even stronger in his NW debut than his part 1 self but the issue is that we really never really see struggle, have low self esteem, and suffer to become exponentially stronger. Its not satisfying because we are not seeing enough struggle to root for this character. Don't get me wrong, I think he has a badass design and personality but I do feel he is kinda bland now and I really preferred his laid back Han Solo personality of part 1 and I don't feel the friendship between Luffy and him. Its more satisfying when they actually succeed in something because they struggle more and tend to do and say bad things that real people would do. For instance, I think Usopp's acting stubborn and proud and getting into argument was one of the most realistic argument cause I think anyone could recognize themselves into that dispute. The way he begged for forgiveness was beautiful because he realized that pride and selfishness can't erase what feels like years of a beautiful friendship. In real life, more than often you swallow your pride because you realize that the bond that you share with your family is more important than your ego. Nose kun succeeding is way more satisfying than characters like Law who were already badass from the way they were introduced into the story because its easier to empathize with him. Its the fact characters like Usopp and Tashigi are not perfect and relatable (yet still kind hearted) that makes me root for them even more .

 

I still can't wait to see what you Tashigi doubters say when she takes off like Oda said she would. You guys not listening to what Oda already told us would happen. That's fine.

 

umm

no wonder you spend your time with a blue goat waifu

All I'm saying is that I'm not a fan of her character she simply annoys me, She doesn't remind me of Sakura or Hinata so if that's what you believe that's not true. Tashigi as a character bothers me because she is like Vegeta she never wins a fight. Though I still like Vegeta. Just I don't know Tashigi my "take" of but that probably wont change my opinion about me liking her or not, I don't like her character for various reasons, she tries to be on a horse that she has no right to be on top of during fights, always says that the Navy is right in every aspect.

Even Smoker knows the Navy isn't right.

I don't care if she's young

You are under an Vice Admiral you shouldn't be this naive.

All I'm trying to say is that I understand you trying to show us "Tashigi haters" (Which I don't hate her I dislike her character) that we should see Tashigi in a different light and thats all fine and dandy but you have to understand that we are allowed to not like characters. I am not the biggest Sanji fan as well.

 

And Jordan, At least my blue waifu's don't rely on others to fight their battles in the end!!!!

[FoolishYoungling]

And Jordan, At least my blue waifu's don't rely on others to fight their battles in the end!!!!

A wife is allowed to fight with her husband. Don't be rude just because she's out there getting herself some.

 

We also got to remember that Tashigi has only gone up against characters that were extremely strong. Only 3 members from the Straw Hats could of beat Monet, and they're the monster trio. And then she lost to Vergo. The same guy Sanji and Smoker couldn't take.

[Fyuria'sLeo]

A wife is allowed to fight with her husband. Don't be rude just because she's out there getting herself some.

 

We also got to remember that Tashigi has only gone up against characters that were extremely strong. Only 3 members from the Straw Hats could of beat Monet, and they're the monster trio. And then she lost to Vergo. The same guy Sanji and Smoker couldn't take.

As I said she is on a high horse that she shouldnt be on.

As a captain she needs to learn.

Franky could have taken Monet by the way, Baby 5 was much stronger than her. And Franky had no problem with the Baby 5 team.

[FoolishYoungling]

As I said she is on a high horse that she shouldnt be on.

As a captain she needs to learn.

Franky could have taken Monet by the way, Baby 5 was much stronger than her. And Franky had no problem with the Baby 5 team.

Franky has haki?

 

And Tashigi isn't going to back down. That's what makes a true warrior. You back down then you're not worthy of the New World. Usopp and Nami are the only exception to that.

[Fyuria'sLeo]

Franky has haki?

 

And Tashigi isn't going to back down. That's what makes a true warrior. You back down then you're not worthy of the New World. Usopp and Nami are the only exception to that.

Okay so let me get this straight.

People who back down are weak?

So Sanji backing off with his fight with Doffy is weak?

Law backing off with his fight with Doffy and Fujitora is weak?

Fujitora backing off from Sabo is weak?

 

Franky doesnt need Haki to fight people pure will commands him.

 

Just like Zoro didnt use Haki till the very end of his fight with Monet and even then he didnt believe it was worth the trouble.

Edited by Fyuria'sLeo, 11 September 2015 - 03:15 PM.