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[ciardha]

your right but the true feelings part gave me abit of doubt, i know she has linguring feelings but she may love both boys

The thing you are forgetting is the first thing Sai says about Sakura's feelings- that she had moved on from Sasuke and has fallen in love with Naruto- in other words her confession of her feelings for Naruto is 100% true, just like Kishimoto said in the Jump Festa in response to the letters he'd received from naruhina shippers going on and on about Sakura "using Naruto's feelings" He said- "On the contrary I felt I was writing her as an honest and surprisingly determined girl." In other words if you saw her confession of feelings for Naruto as completely real you get the prize- you read it right.

As has been said Sai only says something about Sakura having any feelings for Sasuke after Naruto bullheadedly insists Sakura is still in love with Sasuke. Naruto didn't witness Sakura's confession to Sasuke, so he doesn't know even at 13 Sakura knew her feelings for Sasuke were hopelessly one sided. She says so right in her confession- "You must hate me..." When Naruto makes the POAL Sakura's subconcious feelings for Naruto make their first true leap to her conscious mind- her thoughts in response to that promise sound like a girl falling in love... By the time she asks Tsunade to train her Naruto is already on equal level in her heart- as seen by her thoughts and Tsunade's sharp observation. By the time of Naruto's return Sakura's being in love with Naruto already was in place, and even Sakura was conciously aware of a definite attraction to Naruto. You couldn't get a more obvious picture by contrasting how Sakura reacted to seeing Naruto to seeing Sasuke. Naruto was totally oblivious to Sakura's direct flirtation with him (much to Jiraiya's disgust!)

But Naruto overplayed in his mind her reaction to seeing Sasuke. She gasps in awe for a second and he thinks it's love but Sakura didn't smile or blush like she did with Naruto. That second of awe shifted to fear almost immediately. She knew this guy was not their friend anymore but an enemy. Naruto didn't see Sakura's fear reaction he was caught up in his own anger and confusion over what had happened between himself and Sasuke.

And in the aftermath of the debacle Naruto comes across as the one in love with Sasuke, not Sakura. Naruto is collapsed on the ground sobbing away about his failure. Sakura is crying but it looks more in response to Naruto's sobs, she's mostly in control of her emotions and her words as well are all about being there for Naruto. Look as well to their reactions in the aftermath in Konoha. Naruto is feeling hopeless heartbreak on a bench, Sakura is in the library researching what chemicals could have made Sasuke become so fast and powerful. She's calm and determined, and already certain enough in her feelings of love for Naruto to flirtatiously tease him about what her nickname for him is. Naruto again is oblivious and misses the flirting tone and her mischievous flirtatious smile.

Sakura's lingering feelings for Sasuke is of a person she knows he'll never be again- 12-13 year old boy on Team 7 that she had a one sided crush on- the boy who's dark impulses were countered by the influence of Naruto, a boy who let himself believe for a short time that maybe this Team 7 stuff was worth anything. Sasuke's parting words to Sakura tells you that.

Edited by ciardha, 10 January 2010 - 08:08 PM.

[Devil Keyz]

@Gravenimage and tekopi

I too don't particularly like Twilight . But that aside, let's point out that the main pairing in Twilight that happened in the end (Bella and Edward) was the first one introduced in the very beginning. It was the one that the writer first developed (nevermind how well we think that was done), but the focus was consistently on Bella and Edward, whether their relationship was in tumult (New Moon e.g) or deepening. They had consistent INTERACTION unlike NaruHina

lol i watched that sh*tty new moon the other day, i couldn't even follow that damn story line it was random lol. dunno whats the big deal about it i seen peeps go crazy over it.

Blade III > Twilight

[Hak]

@ ciardha

We seem to have a very similar view about this!

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

The thing you are forgetting is the first thing Sai says about Sakura's feelings- that she had moved on from Sasuke and has fallen in love with Naruto- in other words her confession of her feelings for Naruto is 100% true, just like Kishimoto said in the Jump Festa in response to the letters he'd received from naruhina shippers going on and on about Sakura "using Naruto's feelings" He said- "On the contrary I felt I was writing her as an honest and surprisingly determined girl." In other words if you saw her confession of feelings for Naruto as completely real you get the prize- you read it right.

As has been said Sai only says something about Sakura having any feelings for Sasuke after Naruto bullheadedly insists Sakura is still in love with Sasuke. Naruto didn't witness Sakura's confession to Sasuke, so he doesn't know even at 13 Sakura knew her feelings for Sasuke were hopelessly one sided. She says so right in her confession- "You must hate me..." When Naruto makes the POAL Sakura's subconcious feelings for Naruto make their first true leap to her conscious mind- her thoughts in response to that promise sound like a girl falling in love... By the time she asks Tsunade to train her Naruto is already on equal level in her heart- as seen by her thoughts and Tsunade's sharp observation. By the time of Naruto's return Sakura's being in love with Naruto already was in place, and even Sakura was conciously aware of a definite attraction to Naruto. You couldn't get a more obvious picture by contrasting how Sakura reacted to seeing Naruto to seeing Sasuke. Naruto was totally oblivious to Sakura's direct flirtation with him (much to Jiraiya's disgust!)

But Naruto overplayed in his mind her reaction to seeing Sasuke. She gasps in awe for a second and he thinks it's love but Sakura didn't smile or blush like she did with Naruto. That second of awe shifted to fear almost immediately. She knew this guy was not their friend anymore but an enemy. Naruto didn't see Sakura's fear reaction he was caught up in his own anger and confusion over what had happened between himself and Sasuke.

And in the aftermath of the debacle Naruto comes across as the one in love with Sasuke, not Sakura. Naruto is collapsed on the ground sobbing away about his failure. Sakura is crying but it looks more in response to Naruto's sobs, she's mostly in control of her emotions and her words as well are all about being there for Naruto. Look as well to their reactions in the aftermath in Konoha. Naruto is feeling hopeless heartbreak on a bench, Sakura is in the library researching what chemicals could have made Sasuke become so fast and powerful. She's calm and determined, and already certain enough in her feelings of love for Naruto to flirtatiously tease him about what her nickname for him is. Naruto again is oblivious and misses the flirting tone and her mischievous flirtatious smile.

Sakura's lingering feelings for Sasuke is of a person she knows he'll never be again- 12-13 year old boy on Team 7 that she had a one sided crush on- the boy who's dark impulses were countered by the influence of Naruto, a boy who let himself believe for a short time that maybe this Team 7 stuff was worth anything. Sasuke's parting words to Sakura tells you that.

Yeah, I think Naruto's reactions are all because he's oblivious to the fact things have changed for Squad 7 and can never go back to how they were. And he's shown too some naivetey in how he assumes he can understand why Sasuke's so obsessed with revenge, when it isn't so simple. You can tell with how he denied Madara's words that Sasuke chose his path for himself, when it is obvious, even IF Madara gave him a slight "nudge" by using Sasuke's love for Itachi and his pride as an Uchiha over the facts that Sasuke saw of Itachi, and his own hatred and jealousy for him.

I admire his courage, yet he has to let go of the past and move on. I don't mean grow up COMPLETELY and come off at times like a douche, but I mean just mature enough to realize if Sasuke's left alive, he could be an obstacle in his path to help the world understand peace. That's the biggest part too.

Bryon

[Gravenimage]

The thing you are forgetting is the first thing Sai says about Sakura's feelings- that she had moved on from Sasuke and has fallen in love with Naruto- in other words her confession of her feelings for Naruto is 100% true, just like Kishimoto said in the Jump Festa in response to the letters he'd received from naruhina shippers going on and on about Sakura "using Naruto's feelings" He said- "On the contrary I felt I was writing her as an honest and surprisingly determined girl." In other words if you saw her confession of feelings for Naruto as completely real you get the prize- you read it right.

As has been said Sai only says something about Sakura having any feelings for Sasuke after Naruto bullheadedly insists Sakura is still in love with Sasuke. Naruto didn't witness Sakura's confession to Sasuke, so he doesn't know even at 13 Sakura knew her feelings for Sasuke were hopelessly one sided. She says so right in her confession- "You must hate me..." When Naruto makes the POAL Sakura's subconcious feelings for Naruto make their first true leap to her conscious mind- her thoughts in response to that promise sound like a girl falling in love... By the time she asks Tsunade to train her Naruto is already on equal level in her heart- as seen by her thoughts and Tsunade's sharp observation. By the time of Naruto's return Sakura's being in love with Naruto already was in place, and even Sakura was conciously aware of a definite attraction to Naruto. You couldn't get a more obvious picture by contrasting how Sakura reacted to seeing Naruto to seeing Sasuke. Naruto was totally oblivious to Sakura's direct flirtation with him (much to Jiraiya's disgust!)

But Naruto overplayed in his mind her reaction to seeing Sasuke. She gasps in awe for a second and he thinks it's love but Sakura didn't smile or blush like she did with Naruto. That second of awe shifted to fear almost immediately. She knew this guy was not their friend anymore but an enemy. Naruto didn't see Sakura's fear reaction he was caught up in his own anger and confusion over what had happened between himself and Sasuke.

And in the aftermath of the debacle Naruto comes across as the one in love with Sasuke, not Sakura. Naruto is collapsed on the ground sobbing away about his failure. Sakura is crying but it looks more in response to Naruto's sobs, she's mostly in control of her emotions and her words as well are all about being there for Naruto. Look as well to their reactions in the aftermath in Konoha. Naruto is feeling hopeless heartbreak on a bench, Sakura is in the library researching what chemicals could have made Sasuke become so fast and powerful. She's calm and determined, and already certain enough in her feelings of love for Naruto to flirtatiously tease him about what her nickname for him is. Naruto again is oblivious and misses the flirting tone and her mischievous flirtatious smile.

Sakura's lingering feelings for Sasuke is of a person she knows he'll never be again- 12-13 year old boy on Team 7 that she had a one sided crush on- the boy who's dark impulses were countered by the influence of Naruto, a boy who let himself believe for a short time that maybe this Team 7 stuff was worth anything. Sasuke's parting words to Sakura tells you that.

Another awesome point I just love how the fans keep saying that Sakura is lying and she's manipulating Naruto's feelings and Kishi proves them wrong why can't they believe it? the creator of Naruto himself said so of Sakura being an honest and determined girl they don't want to admit that Sakura is in love with Naruto. Even the anime is going towards Naru/Saku with omakes openings and endings I'm guessing the N/H and S/S fans won't believe a thing until they heard the three words coming out of Naruto and Sakura's mouths towards each other.

Edited by Gravenimage, 10 January 2010 - 08:36 PM.

[Evil Potato]

Another awesome point I just love how the fans keep saying that Sakura is lying and she's manipulating Naruto's feelings and Kishi proves them wrong why can't they believe it? the creator of Naruto himself said so of Sakura being an honest and determined girl they don't want to admit that Sakura is in love with Naruto. Even the anime is going towards Naru/Saku with omakes openings and endings I'm guessing the N/H and S/S fans won't believe a thing until they heard the three words coming out of Naruto and Sakura's mouths towards each other.

No, they probably still won't believe it even if it Naruto and Sakura made out, got married, had kids... they could still be in disbelief after all that LOL.

[Gravenimage]

No, they probably still won't believe it even if it Naruto and Sakura made out, got married, had kids... they could still be in disbelief after all that LOL.

Haha you're right they are that much in denial and too stubborn to admit it.

[RyrineaHaruno]

Another awesome point I just love how the fans keep saying that Sakura is lying and she's manipulating Naruto's feelings and Kishi proves them wrong why can't they believe it? the creator of Naruto himself said so of Sakura being an honest and determined girl they don't want to admit that Sakura is in love with Naruto. Even the anime is going towards Naru/Saku with omakes openings and endings I'm guessing the N/H and S/S fans won't believe a thing until they heard the three words coming out of Naruto and Sakura's mouths towards each other.

They will deny it even when they say those words. I have seen this behavior all the time in other fandom.

[Froot]

No, they probably still won't believe it even if it Naruto and Sakura made out, got married, had kids... they could still be in disbelief after all that LOL.

Naruto and Sakura made three babies? P'shawww


Those aren't babies, they're just dirt!

Edited by Froot, 10 January 2010 - 08:56 PM.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

Naruto and Sakura made three babies? P'shawww


Those aren't babies, they're just dirt!

AHAHAHAHAAHAAHAHH!!! XD Oh, my God, I got such a big grin now!

And it'sa ll true. Considering that in Shippuden, Sakura's shown to be quite honest, with Inner Sakura only showing up once. Outside of that, she's usually been quite upfront and outspoken with her opinions. Too bad some fans still see her as she was in Part 1.

Bryon

[Froot]

AHAHAHAHAAHAAHAHH!!! XD Oh, my God, I got such a big grin now!

I was going to say "that's not a grin, that's just dirt!" but I've used it too much already... It's not really funny anymore. Nevermind.

And it'sa ll true. Considering that in Shippuden, Sakura's shown to be quite honest, with Inner Sakura only showing up once. Outside of that, she's usually been quite upfront and outspoken with her opinions. Too bad some fans still see her as she was in Part 1.

Kishi even said he was trying to portray her as an honest girl. He's said that before. Sometimes, she's brutally honest.

And even Naruto sees her as she was in part 1.

[ciardha]

Another awesome point I just love how the fans keep saying that Sakura is lying and she's manipulating Naruto's feelings and Kishi proves them wrong why can't they believe it? the creator of Naruto himself said so of Sakura being an honest and determined girl they don't want to admit that Sakura is in love with Naruto. Even the anime is going towards Naru/Saku with omakes opening and endings I'm guessing the N/H and S/S fans won't believe a thing until they heard the three words coming out of Naruto and Sakura's mouths towards each other.

Oh they won't believe it even then, I know that from other fandoms with hardcore shippers.

It's funny, but actually some of the sasunaru arguments hold more water than the sasusaku or naruhina ones. At least, like the narusaku ones there is actual canon manga evidence to back them up. I'm not talking about the Sakura bashing stuff but an interesting argument I saw from a sasunaru that one could say that they have a point. Note my words about in part 2 how Naruto has come across as the one in love with Sasuke, not Sakura. (There's some of end of part 1 and all of part 2 manga evidence that Sasuke has some romantic feelings for Naruto so I'll skip that- Sasuke looks to be pretty much a 5 on the Kinsey scale
http://en.wikipedia....i/Kinsey_scale) The sasunaru theory holds that that appearance is true, Naruto is in love with Sasuke. He loves Sakura very much too but Naruto is actually a 1 on the Kinsey scale rather than a zero. The question isn't who does Sakura love more- in part 2 it's obvious that it's Naruto. The question is who does Naruto love more, Sakura or Sasuke? 470 could could lead credence to Naruto loving Sasuke more. And Naruto's insistance on Sakura still being in love with Sasuke- his own displaced feelings for Sasuke. Naruto is very homophobic, having homosexual feelings would freak him out, so he displaces his own feelings for Sasuke onto Sakura. Sakura probably walked away from Naruto believing that. It adds another level of sorrow to her action, this is why Sakura thinks Naruto will hate her once he finds out that she is going to kill the monster Sasuke has become- Naruto is deeply in love with that monster and cannot believe that monster is unredeemable.

[Gravenimage]

Oh they won't believe it even then, I know that from other fandoms with hardcore shippers.

It's funny, but actually some of the sasunaru arguments hold more water than the sasusaku or naruhina ones. At least, like the narusaku ones there is actual canon manga evidence to back them up. I'm not talking about the Sakura bashing stuff but an interesting argument I saw from a sasunaru that one could say that they have a point. Note my words about in part 2 how Naruto has come across as the one in love with Sasuke, not Sakura. (There's some of end of part 1 and all of part 2 manga evidence that Sasuke has some romantic feelings for Naruto so I'll skip that- Sasuke looks to be pretty much a 5 on the Kinsey scale
http://en.wikipedia....i/Kinsey_scale) The sasunaru theory holds that that appearance is true, Naruto is in love with Sasuke. He loves Sakura very much too but Naruto is actually a 1 on the Kinsey scale rather than a zero. The question isn't who does Sakura love more- in part 2 it's obvious that it's Naruto. The question is who does Naruto love more, Sakura or Sasuke? 470 could could lead credence to Naruto loving Sasuke more. And Naruto's insistance on Sakura still being in love with Sasuke- his own displaced feelings for Sasuke. Naruto is very homophobic, having homosexual feelings would freak him out, so he displaces his own feelings for Sasuke onto Sakura. Sakura probably walked away from Naruto believing that. It adds another level of sorrow to her action, this is why Sakura thinks Naruto will hate her once he finds out that she is going to kill the monster Sasuke has become- Naruto is deeply in love with that monster and cannot believe that monster is unredeemable.

You're right about that but the thing that kill Naru/Sasu is the fact that Naruto told Itachi that "Sasuke is like a brother to him more than he is to him"

Edited by Gravenimage, 10 January 2010 - 09:31 PM.

[ciardha]

You're right about that but the thing that kill Naru/Sasu is the fact that Naruto told Itachi that "Sasuke is like a brother to him more than he is to him"

Ultimately, yes. I feel fairly certain Naruto isn't bisexual. But my point was this argument by sasunaru fans does have some weight because it doesn't overtly contradict manga canon.

[Gravenimage]

Ultimately, yes. I feel fairly certain Naruto isn't bisexual. But my point was this argument by sasunaru fans does have some weight because it doesn't overtly contradict manga canon.

In other words Naru/Saku and Naru/Sasu have more chances of being canon in the manga than S/S and N/H.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

In other words Naru/Saku and Naru/Sasu have more chances of being canon in the manga than S/S and N/H.

That's what I was getting too outta what ciardha said.

Bryon

[TwilightLink20xx]

True, but that's throwing psychobable into a Manga aimed at teenagers. Not to detriment the general intelligence of my age group, but all of that really doesn't matter to most of us. Even so, you also have to keep in mind that we're dealing with something that a lot of SasuNaru/NaruSasu shippers forget, and that is context. Even thought it's obvious Naruto cares about Sasuke to an extreme point, it's pretty clear that Naruto has never thought as Sasuke as anything but a brother. That's a line that has never been touched, even by 470, which makes it clear that Naruto won't let go because he feels he understands WHY he's doing all of this. That's more being protective rather than anything that's supposed to be implied as "romantic feelings". That's why I typically disregard all such arguments as pointless, simply by the sheer fact that they contradict the cannon context.

However, I do agree with your overall point Ciardha, it does somewhat have more to stand on than on than the other two pairs in some ways, though none of them really have much at all.

Edited by TwilightLink20xx, 10 January 2010 - 10:09 PM.

[Cupcake-chan]

Since the last time I posted, there have been some interesting arguments... but the Naruto-is-in-love-with-Sasuke just made my day I doubt that's true. After all how will Sasuke re-build the Uchiha clan with Naruto? And in the end, there will be a fight between them, one that will end one will have to die, so I don't know how a romantic relationship would work for both of them.

[Devil Keyz]

^ yea tru dat, but i remeber reading in this thread kishi said he was going to end with ONE canon couple.. and to many people said its definatly going to be NaruSaku.. while i wan't that to happen, lets not get cocky about it. neva know, it might be N/H even tho that would make NO sence at all ( kinda like my spelling )

[Gravenimage]

True, but that's throwing psychobable into a Manga aimed at teenagers. Not to detriment the general intelligence of my age group, but all of that really doesn't matter to most of us. Even so, you also have to keep in mind that we're dealing with something that a lot of SasuNaru/NaruSasu shippers forget, and that is context. Even thought it's obvious Naruto cares about Sasuke to an extreme point, it's pretty clear that Naruto has never thought as Sasuke as anything but a brother. That's a line that has never been touched, even by 470, which makes it clear that Naruto won't let go because he feels he understands WHY he's doing all of this. That's more being protective rather than anything that's supposed to be implied as "romantic feelings". That's why I typically disregard all such arguments as pointless, simply by the sheer fact that they contradict the cannon context.

However, I do agree with your overall point Ciardha, it does somewhat have more to stand on than on than the other two pairs in some ways, though none of them really have much at all.

I agree Naruto sees Sasuke as his brother best friend and first bond he forms part of his circle of his most precious people that were the first to acknowledged him as a human being and not as the container of the Kyuubi along with Kakashi, Sakura and Iruka. Like I told ciardha Naru/Sasu died when Naruto told Itachi that he sees Sasuke as a brother more than he is to him. Besides I believe Kishi said long ago that there will be a canon pairing with "development" and so far that pairing is N/S.

Edited by Gravenimage, 10 January 2010 - 10:39 PM.