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[Nar123]

The meaning of this sentence "The support to be received: Hiretsu-sama"  is Hiretsu-sama (I call him "Hiretsu" too now?) kinda reflects what Kishi doing now? For how he handles the ending, answering those Qs for interview, twisting this and that from chapter 1-698 in a bad way? And Tobirama "approves" it?

Basically yes

[ramenanmitsu]

Hinata's diary (from 2ch)

One day a hot guy tries to destroy the world. But his real target is me! Just because I have a special Byakugan and am more beautiful and competent than my little sister......It's troubling because I already have Naruto-kun.
But I am a poor and kind girl so I cry and decide to be together with the hot guy. Naruto-kun gets shocked with this. Of course he will, he was never in love with Sakura anyway. Even all the rookies cheer for me and Naruto-kun's relationship. With that, Naruto-kun recovers!
The he defeats the hot guy, and marries me!

[lupina]

Hinata's diary (from 2ch)

One day a hot guy tries to destroy the world. But his real target is me! Just because I have a special Byakugan and am more beautiful and competent than my little sister......It's troubling because I already have Naruto-kun.
But I am a poor and kind girl so I cry and decide to be together with the hot guy. Naruto-kun gets shocked with this. Of course he will, he was never in love with Sakura anyway. Even all the rookies cheer for me and Naruto-kun's relationship. With that, Naruto-kun recovers!
The he defeats the hot guy, and marries me!

 

very accurate!

[Tsuki Hoshino]

Hinata's diary (from 2ch)

One day a hot guy tries to destroy the world. But his real target is me! Just because I have a special Byakugan and am more beautiful and competent than my little sister......It's troubling because I already have Naruto-kun.
But I am a poor and kind girl so I cry and decide to be together with the hot guy. Naruto-kun gets shocked with this. Of course he will, he was never in love with Sakura anyway. Even all the rookies cheer for me and Naruto-kun's relationship. With that, Naruto-kun recovers!
The he defeats the hot guy, and marries me!

I said it like a week ago but...Hinata is a Mary-sue. 

[trang95]

Hinata's diary (from 2ch)

One day a hot guy tries to destroy the world. But his real target is me! Just because I have a special Byakugan and am more beautiful and competent than my little sister......It's troubling because I already have Naruto-kun.
But I am a poor and kind girl so I cry and decide to be together with the hot guy. Naruto-kun gets shocked with this. Of course he will, he was never in love with Sakura anyway. Even all the rookies cheer for me and Naruto-kun's relationship. With that, Naruto-kun recovers!
The he defeats the hot guy, and marries me!

I'm pretty sure Hinata is writing the exact same words down

[六道仙人]

Funny. I can try too

 

Dear Diary, today is the 350th day of my engagement with Naruto-kun. Finally Naruto-kun gave me what I have always wanted, a night of love.

I hope to have more nights like this, I live only for that. Thanks you Naruto-kun.

[Tsuki Hoshino]

Funny. I can try too

 

Dear Diary, today is the 350th day of my engagement with Naruto-kun. Finally Naruto-kun gave me what I have always wanted, a night of love.

I hope to have more nights like this, I live only for that. Thanks you Naruto-kun.

-throws coffee cup out the window in disgust-

 

[TerrorKing]

 

Just saw this quote about Studio Pierrot and that NS fans shouldn't be surprised because they are:

• The same studio that made a public statement that she is their favorite character,
• The same studio that did Sakura no justice neither with her appearance nor her main moments (aka the release of her seal) but take their whole budget to make Hinata’s moments seem much more important that they actually are.
• The same studio that openly said to Kishi, that Hinata fits as a heroine more than Sakura in an interview.
• The same studio that wanted to include too much Hinata fanservice in “Road to ninja” but couldn’t thanks to Kishimoto interfering.
• The same studio that turned Neji’s sacrifise and the chakra transfer moment into something “romantic” and added it to the calendar.

 

This is all very true, but there is still one problem (Not with you tricksie, but the people making this argument). 

 

Kishi is the author of the manga, while SP is just a lowly anime studio. That's the only reason why I ever tolerated all their Hinata BS. It's not like Kishi ever acknowledged all those fillers moments, like when Naruto saw Hinata dancing naked on a lake or when Hinata fought off a giant swarm of bees using her ultra mega super laser attack. So if Kishi doesn't acknowledge them, then why should I? 

 

So in the end, my biggest mistake was that I gave Kishi way too much credit. I thought that he actually had a plan as well as a backbone. Silly me. 

[六道仙人]

that's a page from the diary of the life pre-egangement with Naruto

 

Dear diary, today is the 2401th day of my trip towards Naruto-kuns's ****. I added a bit of wool on my incomplete scarf that I'm knitting for Naruto-kun. Little by little, I will finish this scarf, so that Naruto-kun can wear it and fall in love with me one day. I will make it because my nindo is still "Never give up!" and I am also the true main character and heroine of the story.

Edited by 六道仙人, 15 December 2014 - 01:47 PM.

[Popuri]

I said it like a week ago but...Hinata is a Mary-sue. 

Now since there's somebody talk about it.. who is this "Mary-sue"? Character of western movie?

[tricksie]

Agreed. If he wanted to admit that the real world's social climate was an inspirational source then he should have stuck to more general concepts that everything can relate to like the rift that exists between people of different cultural and national differences, or maybe citing the TINSTAAFL concept and the adverse effects it has on those who are sacrificed for the benefit of another. That concept was actually brought up at one point by Pain when the manga's philosophical messages still had relevance and meaning. But it was never addressed again after that arc. 

 

I loved the Pain arc. I thought it had such cohesion. Pain was a great villain, there were many layers to his villainy, many secrets to be divulged (the multiple Pains), and there were lots of storylines all tying together into a grand finale. There was a purpose to Pain's vengeance that you could understand without having to be forced to sympathise with. But when you did learn their backstory, you truly felt sympathy for them. Not forced, and not purposeless.

 

Even Danzo made a better villain than Madara or Kaguya or Zetsu.

 

Sorry...just reminiscing about when the series was still good. 

[六道仙人]

Now since there's somebody talk about it.. who is this "Mary-sue"? Character of western movie?

 

http://tvtropes.org/...hp/Main/MarySue

[Tsuki Hoshino]

 

http://tvtropes.org/...hp/Main/MarySue

Lol thank you for linking that. 

I'll forgive you for ruining my morning coffee  

 

[rocci]

 
I loved the Pain arc. I thought it had such cohesion. Pain was a great villain, there were many layers to his villainy, many secrets to be divulged (the multiple Pains), and there were lots of storylines all tying together into a grand finale. There was a purpose to Pain's vengeance that you could understand without having to be forced to sympathise with. But when you did learn their backstory, you truly felt sympathy for them. Not forced, and not purposeless.
 
Even Danzo made a better villain than Madara or Kaguya or Zetsu.
 
Sorry...just reminiscing about when the series was still good. 

Some people questioning pain motive. It's too weak.

[Tsuki Hoshino]

I think Nagato's switch from "Evil" to good was way to sudden and made nearly no sense. Not to mention Naruto's almost easy ability to forgive him for killing his TEACHER and the closest thing he had to a father figure in his life....

[TouKen4Life3g]

I want you to see this! Good quality isn't it?

http://i.imgur.com/HA4oxZB.png

Especially "The support they received" and "what the customer actually wanted"

 

 

http://i.imgur.com/HA4oxZB.png
The Business report of THE LAST project

Top right to left
The promise/ Sales presentation: "A movie for all Naruto fans"

Programming Code: THE HINATA "Because the staff.....loves me!!"

Analyst Design: Naruto and Hinata

Project Leader's Understanding: NH family

Customer's necessary requirements: Kaguya, traveling Sasuke, Hokage Naruto, Orochimaru, Kabuto

Bottom right to left

What the Customer really needs: Team seven, Kakadhi Hokage, Naruto becoming Hokage, Orochimaru

The support to be received: Hiretsu-sama

Amount Billed: Death, Obito, "Fall to hell"

The actual execution: 15 years of Naruto(cancelled), NaruHina(with doll Naruto and happy Hinata)

Project documents: a lot

Should I post this? Can you explain what this about?

[Popuri]

 

http://tvtropes.org/...hp/Main/MarySue

Duh! Such a long explanation just to describe who mary-sue is.  But thx anyway, I've bookmarked it. Read it later. I've put it in the stacks of my homeworks. 

 

EDIT: I read it a bit tho. I bet what you're trying to tell me is the interpretations of Mary-sue, yeah?

Edited by xpopurix, 15 December 2014 - 02:08 PM.

[tricksie]

 

So in the end, my biggest mistake was that I gave Kishi way too much credit. I thought that he actually had a plan as well as a backbone. Silly me. 

 

Right. Me too. I kept thinking it was all going somewhere. But it wasn't. And that doesn't mean I'm saying it just becuase it went in a direction I didn't want it to. No, in the end, none of the development was made good on. In fact it seems like Kishimoto went out of his way to create pairings that had no basis in the story, no support from the characters and no reason to be together except for shock value. 

 

All of the discussions we had, all of the theories, all of the development for NS — it all went nowhere. Because Kishimoto pulled a bait-and-switch in the last two chapters. Still astonishing, even a month and a half later.

 

And yeah, as someone posted earlier, I really have not been able to go back and look at any of the chapters. I'll never read the last two again. But the rest? Eh.... I can bear looking at images supporting NS. But looking back at the manga itself...it's like looking in the windows of a house I no longer live in. I can see where everything went, I can remember the life I had there, but no matter how familiar it feels, I know it's no longer mine. And I have to move on.

 

There's no happy ending for Naruto. Just an end.

[rocci]

Duh! Such a long explanation just to describe who mary-sue is.  But thx anyway, I've bookmarked it. Read it later. I've put it in the stacks of my homeworks. 
 
EDIT: I read it a bit tho. I bet what you're trying to tell me is the interpretations of Mary-sue, yeah?

Hinata, her flaw make her cute.

[Nostradamus]

it's cute how this series tries to teach us moral lessons.

I've learned a lot from this series.

 

I'm pretty sure they won't let angry fans ask him questions. They will probably thank him and the studio for the amazing piece of fanfiction they created and blah blah

Unfortunately that's most likely going to happen. They are going to pre-approve questions before and select only the ones that they like.

 

I'm pretty sure they'll have a pre-approved set of questions by people from the studio to make it seem like people support his ending. Probably screen people and questions or something.

Yeah.