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[merryGOflava]

hey guys....do you think the way sakura feels for sasuke is more lust and the way she feels for naruto is love?

lust is the strong desire for someone (the way she wants sasuke)

love is intense feelings of deep affection (the way she cares for naruto)


so sasuke= lust (sakura's longing for him)
naruto= love (sakura's happiness and warmth with naruto)

???

did i make sense? here read this...is sounds exactly like sakura's situation with naruto and sasuke

http://www.psycholog...-the-difference

Edited by merryGOflava, 08 August 2012 - 07:16 AM.

[4000TMNT]

I have a question about the SJ Interview that Kishi gave in 2009, and he said about the interview.

The basic premise is: Sakura loves Sasuke more than Naruto. She hasn't been that heroin-ish, but Kishimoto-sensei will try to change that.

This has not been discuss when talking about infamous 2009 SJ interview. Does Kishi include the first sentence as well when he said he will change that, because theirs is a period after he said Sakura still loving Sasuke more than Naruto.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I have a question about the SJ Interview that Kishi gave in 2009, and he said about the interview.

The basic premise is: Sakura loves Sasuke more than Naruto. She hasn't been that heroin-ish, but Kishimoto-sensei will try to change that.

This has not been discuss when talking about infamous 2009 SJ interview. Does Kishi include the first sentence as well when he said he will change that, because theirs is a period after he said Sakura still loving Sasuke more than Naruto.

Well, there's one problem I have with that sentence. Granted she loves Sasuke more, but it's best to remind everyone that he also said Naruto is close. To me, that's a very strong statement because he was saying that although she loves Sasuke more, Naruto is gaining on her. Why would Kishi say that line? Why not just say Sakura loves Sasuke, period? That was 2009 interview as well. It goes to show you that there's something that will change Sakura's character and it will happen soon. Also, 2009? He just made a movie that he wrote it by himself. Did you see how he takes on the situation when it comes to pairing, not to mention in the manga, there has been more supportive for Naruto's chance to win Sakura's love. You know, the parallel of MinaKushi, Kushina's last wishes, etc. Things changed and not to mention, he keeps making Sakura loves Sasuke so exposed. Her loving Naruto is a suspenseful event and when it happens, it will be a climax to her character. In interview, Kishi hides and/or twist his answer around to keep his work hidden. That's his game, especially in 2009. Like I believe that interview also have him thinking, "Did Sakura do a bad thing to Naruto? I don't recall," which keeps people guessing about her confession to Naruto.

Basically, we have to continue to wait. But to be honest, the latest movie has assured me that Kishi is really high (not that kind of high) on NaruSaku, so there's your big clue.

[redragon88]

Let's see the confession again shall we:

Seiyuu: "Sakura had always been worried about Naruto, but her actions towards Naruto seem to have a different feel from before, she seems very anxious about Naruto...
How does she feel about Sasuke-kun?"

Kishimoto: "As for Sakura... Sasuke... what about Sasuke? Naruto is close and she worries about Naruto as well, but as expected, she [loves] Sasuke.

Seiyuu: Because of this, she acted quite haughty towards that guy. She used Naruto's love for her and told him she loved him.

Kishimoto: On the contrary.... I felt like depicting an honest girl, with a surprisingly stubborn impression.
So... she became such a character, but... well... from here on, maybe I should draw her showing a bit more spirit.
I figured I had placed her in a heroin-like situation
But from the readers I was told harshly that she wasn't heroin-ish at all
Perhaps I should show depict her a bit more like a heroin
Because you say 'Hinata Hinata,' I say 'She's not Hinata' "

Seiyuu: "When I first saw her hugging Naruto, my heart beat throbbed a bit."

Kishimoto:"Well, an unpleasant person is an unpleasant person, but the feeling I was trying to depict is that you could say "after this, [my opinion of her] has gone up a bit... yeah"

There's parenthesis in love because it seems that the way Kishimoto worded the sentence he avoided saying the word love, so it would be "she... Sasuke".

That gave me the impression that even though Kishimoto is indeed making the implication that Sakura still loves Sasuke, he makes it sound as if it's not that great of a thing for Sakura to feel but that she must keep dealing with it.

When he said "Naruto is close" I took it as a hint that even though Sasuke still remains a little ahead in Sakura's heart it seems that Naruto is slowly closing the gap which he will overcome near the end of the story. It's like Kishi is telling us to to hang in there and to not underestimate Naruto.

There also the fact that he said "as expected she... Sasuke". I see that as him telling us that Sakura isn't gonna drop her feelings for him just like that, if Naruto doesn't give up on Sasuke because he's evil then why would Sakura stop loving him because of it. Only Naruto's positive influence on Sakura is gonna make her change her mind on who she love. It won't be because Sasuke pushes her way, it will be because Naruto pulls her in.

Naruto has slowly charmed her, thus making her steadily gain more affection for him, that's why Kishi said Naruto was close. But the story was far from over at the point was far from over, and Naruto will only have complete success with Sakura near the end. It could be that Kishi was simply telling us that that Naruto had more work to do before he managed to completely win over Sakura, but until that moment comes true she will still keep loving Sasuke.

Until Sakura falls completely for Naruto Kishi wants to keep her love for Sasuke intact (most probably to create tension).

Let's put it like this: Sakura has a bad love for Sasuke and a good love for Naruto. Whether bad or good, love is still love, thus not something you could easily let go of. Her bad love for Sasuke will remain attached to her until Naruto is able to completely pull her in. Only when her good love for Naruto takes a complete presence in her heart will she finally be able let go of her bad love for Sasuke, and maybe then forge a new bond of friendship with him.

To put it all simply, Kishi might've implied this: Sakura's heart is being filled with Naruto's love, it's close, but it hasn't been done completely. So as expected she still retains her feelings for Sasuke.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Let's see the confession again shall we:



There's parenthesis in love because it seems that the way Kishimoto worded the sentence he avoided saying the word love, so it would be "she... Sasuke".

That gave me the impression that even though Kishimoto is indeed making the implication that Sakura still loves Sasuke, he makes it sound as if it's not that great of a thing for Sakura to feel but that she must keep dealing with it.

When he said "Naruto is close" I took it as a hint that even though Sasuke still remains a little ahead in Sakura's heart it seems that Naruto is slowly closing the gap which he will overcome near the end of the story. It's like Kishi is telling us to to hang in there and to not underestimate Naruto.

There also the fact that he said "as expected she... Sasuke". I see that as him telling us that Sakura isn't gonna drop her feelings for him just like that, if Naruto doesn't give up on Sasuke because he's evil then why would Sakura stop loving him because of it. Only Naruto's positive influence on Sakura is gonna make her change her mind on who she love. It won't be because Sasuke pushes her way, it will be because Naruto pulls her in.

Naruto has slowly charmed her, thus making her steadily gain more affection for him, that's why Kishi said Naruto was close. But the story was far from over at the point was far from over, and Naruto will only have complete success with Sakura near the end. It could be that Kishi was simply telling us that that Naruto had more work to do before he managed to completely win over Sakura, but until that moment comes true she will still keep loving Sasuke.

Until Sakura falls completely for Naruto Kishi wants to keep her love for Sasuke intact (most probably to create tension).

Let's put it like this: Sakura has a bad love for Sasuke and a good love for Naruto. Whether bad or good, love is still love, thus not something you could easily let go of. Her bad love for Sasuke will remain attached to her until Naruto is able to completely pull her in. Only when her good love for Naruto takes a complete presence in her heart will she finally be able let go of her bad love for Sasuke, and maybe then forge a new bond of friendship with him.

To put it all simply, Kishi might've implied this: Sakura's heart is being filled with Naruto's love, it's close, but it hasn't been done completely. So as expected she still retains her feelings for Sasuke.

THIS!

Thank you so much. Remember, Naruto is not a quitter. He will work hard and hard until he achieves it. If he doesn't achieve it, he will continue to work hard until it happens. I have been saying for a while that Sakura loving Naruto will be the climax to her character, which is why we still continue to see them develop. The buildup is so huge, that the impact will be grand and the payoff will be great. The audience will be happy to see Naruto did the impossible. That's inspiring. Not to mention, even one of top 25 comments from the movie blog mentions that watching Naruto falling in love with Sakura makes him/her happy as it follows the plot/theme perfectly. That's how much people are invested to these two getting together.

[TerrorKing]

Seeing as how I don't think it's a good idea to further derail the RtN thred, I'm now going to post my response here instead.

I would expect him to be criticised less for it, not to mention that being the main character, he will do something heroic in the end of the arc and the fandom would look the other way. The fandom would probably take into account that Sasuke put his arm through Naruto, so he has suffered a lot, and therefore his actions are understandable. People don't judge characters by their one action in one point in time.

And what if he didn't? What if he simply made a false confession to Sakura (I don't really know how that would work) and then wen't on to kill Sasuke. However, in the end, he couldn't do it and instead he had to be rescued by Sakura. Then Sakura states her resolve to Sasuke while Naruto simply stands there...and that's it. Would the fandom still look the other way and let him get a free pass? Probably, but I myself simply can't get behind that logic. Even though Sakura's bond with Sasuke isn't as deep, she's still suffered a lot because of him, be it her unrequited love or her desire to simply save him from his dark path, or most of all her protective nature against Naruto. Sakura had plenty of reason to off Sasuke and while her methods might have been a bit underhanded and she ultimately failed to go through with it, I can understand why she did it.

Similarly, if Sakura wanted to genocide, nobody would sympathise with her, because her family was never killed.

Yeah, if Sakura wanted to kill everyone in the village "just because" then I would probably hate her too. However, the way I see it, Sasuke has no reason to wan't to murder every man, woman and child in the village either.

I'm not excusing the bullies or that she deserved it, I'm just saying that "people" (ie the fandom) won't give much sympathy to a character who got called a few names when the rest of the kids had to see their families slaughtered in front of them.

So they're basically thrashing her because she's "normal". I'm sorry, but I just can't understand that line of reasoning.

People don't hate her for chaper 3, they hate her for not being able to fight through half the story, fangirling, or being "mean" to Naruto. The fans feel more comfortable to bash a character who they can't sympathize.

Well, the fighting aspect I can somewhat agree with. It was pretty sh*tty of Kishi to just have Sakura sit on her hand for most of part 1, all the while Naruto and Sasuke were both getting stronger and stronger. Still, that was then and this is now. Sakura is no longer as useless as she used to be. I don't blame people for thinking that she's weak compared to for example Naruto and Sasuke, I simply don't understand why people still claim that she's entirely useless.

As for the fangirling. Yeah, pretty annoying as well. But once again, she matured and eventually outgrew it.

As for her being mean to Naruto, the only time I remember her being really mean to Naruto was in chapter 3 and 4. After that, she was no more mean to him than say Shikamaru or Kiba.

Nobody bashes Kushina for hitting Naruto repeatedly, because she died for him.

And they shouldn't either. Yet people bash Sakura for hitting Naruto repeatedly, despite all the good she's done for him.

It may not be her fault, but it gives the fans a reason to be unsympathetic.

See my post about hating her for being "normal".

Well, that usually fits into what I said in my first post. The characters are either tragic , and/ or heroic. Naruto fits into the criteria quite well, but Sakura, not so much.

She does to me. I didn't realle like Sakura at first. I found her constant infatuation with Sasuke annoying and shallow and she never really did anything in combat. Granted, this was the anime sometime back in 2005/2006 and I only watched a few episodes here and there, but still my overall first impression of Sakura wasn't very positive. However, just like Shikamaru and Choji, the more I learned about her, the more I started to like her. To me, part 1 Sakura was both tragic, although not in a "My entire fmily is dead" or "I'm all alone. Nobody loves me" way. She was also heroic, what with how she stood up to Dosu, Zaku and Kin and how she stood against Gaara.

I don't think Tenten or Shino will get a moment to shine anytime soon, Kishimoto didn't even draw Tenten's first battle in the manga. Instead, it was an anime filler. Tenten is a sterotypical anime Chinese girl, similar to how the rest of Team Gai has strong Chinese influences. They've never ranked very high in the popularity polls, it seems like fandom doesn't really demand much from them.

I agree. Aside from possibly beating Neji, Lee's role in the mange is pretty much done and Tenten. She's never had any role other than being a token female character, though If Kishi suddenly decided to giver her some backstory/exposition, I certainly wouldn't mind. Still, I think it's very unlikely.

[4000TMNT]

Its been three years since NaruSaku had development together, and my hunger for new NaruSaku moments is at a all time high. I just don't know whats coming next for pairing development. The only prediction I see is Naruto rejecting Hinata request for a relationship after they defeat Tobi, after that I don't know. Does any one have prediction on what is next for pairing development.

[Gravenimage]

Its been three years since NaruSaku had development together, and my hunger for new NaruSaku moments is at a all time high. I just don't know whats coming next for pairing development. The only prediction I see is Naruto rejecting Hinata request for a relationship after they defeat Tobi, after that I don't know. Does any one have prediction on what is next for pairing development.

And that's where you're wrong I highly doubt Hinata will ask Naruto if he wants to be her boyfriend, I just don't see that happening (unless if she believes she's going to die, like she did with her confession. It only took her the realization that she was going to die to confess to someone she has like for over 400 chanpters ).

Knowing "how much " Kishi cares for Hinata (after making fun of her in one of the data books, admitting he only created her to have a character with big breast, clearly saying that he only created her for fan service throwing her character development off the window). He will pretty much leave things the way they are with her. She won't say a word to Naruto while he gets together with Sakura. For all we know we might get an epilogue with Hinata being married to Neji or Kiba and just like that there goes her "supposed " love for Naruto.

Edited by Gravenimage, 09 August 2012 - 05:10 PM.

[Transformers03]

He will pretty much leave things the way they are with her. She won't say a word to Naruto while he gets together with Sakura. For all we know we might get an epilogue with Hinata being married to Neji or Kiba and just like that there goes her "supposed " love for Naruto.

That will probably tick off a lot of her fans..............buuuuut that's sadly how I also see her character going to.

[4000TMNT]

And that's where you're wrong I highly doubt Hinata will ask Naruto if he wants to be her boyfriend, I just don't see that happening (unless if she believes she's going to die, like she did with her confession. It only took her the realization that she was going to die to confess to someone she has like for over 400 chanpters ).

Knowing "how much " Kishi cares for Hinata (after making fun of her in one of the data books, admitting he only created her to have a character with big breast, clearly saying that he only created her for fan service throwing her character development off the window). He will pretty much leave things the way they are with her. She won't say a word to Naruto while he gets together with Sakura. For all we know we might get an epilogue with Hinata being married to Neji or Kiba and just like that there goes her "supposed " love for Naruto.

Look, I want to believe you but if your right, what was the point of 573. Hinata needs closure with her feelings for Naruto, so I think Naruto will not return his feelings for Hinata and tell Hinata to her face that he loves Sakura. But I do hope your right thou with your prediction.

[Gravenimage]

Look, I want to believe you but if your right, what was the point of 573. Hinata needs closure with her feelings for Naruto, so I think Naruto will not return his feelings for Hinata and tell Hinata to her face that he loves Sakura. But I do hope your right thou with your prediction.

I know what you're trying to say but I don't see her asking Naruto to be her boyfriend it's not in her character to actually have the courage to ask him such (unless as I previously stated if she's going to die just like ch 437. Hinata might realize Naruto loves Sakura and she will think to herself that he loves her and will never love her, so there that's closure for her (even if it will tick off many of her fans), but guess what? She's just a minor character not important to the plot of the story she's not going to get a major development for closure to her feelings unlike Sakura because she's a main character.

Edited by Gravenimage, 09 August 2012 - 07:03 PM.

[4000TMNT]

I know what you're trying to say but I don't see her asking Naruto to be her boyfriend it's not in her character to actually have the courage to ask him such (unless as I previously stated if she's going to die just like ch 437. Hinata might realize Naruto loves Sakura and she will think to herself that he loves her and will never love her, so there that's closure for her (even if it will tick off many of her fans), but guess what? She's just a minor character not important to the plot of the story she's not going to get a major development for closure to her feelings unlike Sakura because she's a main character.

I know she is a minor character and NH should have died a long time ago but I hope kishi kills it after the Tobi battle, because that pairing stayed alive long enough.

Edited by 4000TMNT, 09 August 2012 - 07:12 PM.

[T XD]

I know she is a minor character and NH should have died a long time ago but I hope kishi kills it after the Tobi battle, because that pairing stayed alive long enough.

if kishi killed NH from a long time, there will be many fans that will stop reading the manga. he already know what are the consequences if he blow up NH right now. i think he will take some time to drop the line on NH for the sake of his own self as a writer and the sells, of course.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I know she is a minor character and NH should have died a long time ago but I hope kishi kills it after the Tobi battle, because that pairing stayed alive long enough.

Well the reason why it's still alive is because she's part of Konoha 9. This arc is all about resolution to them (Team 10 with Asuma, Sai with his brother, etc.) and Hinata just got hers being acknowledged as a strong ninja. This arc could be the last of them, so rest assure, Hinata's part is almost done.

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

Well, there's one problem I have with that sentence. Granted she loves Sasuke more, but it's best to remind everyone that he also said Naruto is close. To me, that's a very strong statement because he was saying that although she loves Sasuke more, Naruto is gaining on her. Why would Kishi say that line? Why not just say Sakura loves Sasuke, period? That was 2009 interview as well. It goes to show you that there's something that will change Sakura's character and it will happen soon. Also, 2009? He just made a movie that he wrote it by himself. Did you see how he takes on the situation when it comes to pairing, not to mention in the manga, there has been more supportive for Naruto's chance to win Sakura's love. You know, the parallel of MinaKushi, Kushina's last wishes, etc. Things changed and not to mention, he keeps making Sakura loves Sasuke so exposed. Her loving Naruto is a suspenseful event and when it happens, it will be a climax to her character. In interview, Kishi hides and/or twist his answer around to keep his work hidden. That's his game, especially in 2009. Like I believe that interview also have him thinking, "Did Sakura do a bad thing to Naruto? I don't recall," which keeps people guessing about her confession to Naruto.

Basically, we have to continue to wait. But to be honest, the latest movie has assured me that Kishi is really high (not that kind of high) on NaruSaku, so there's your big clue.

Exactly, this is why I have been trying to explain in the pairing wars against NH and SS shippers. I stated that Sakura's feelings for Sasuke has always been open minded, but for Naruto. It has always been kept hidden. Because it's been hidden, Sakura has yet to even tapped into it yet, but the only time those feelings when she in a state of panic, like when lady Chiyo told her that a Jinchuuriki dies when his or her Biiju has been extracted from them. To the Heaven and Earth bridge arc when she was running at a Kyuubified Naruto, and Yamato bear witnessed to Sakura's hidden feelings for Sakura. And that worry hug after Pain's defeat, which lead up to her confession as all NH and SS shippers believe. Yet they refuse to look beneath the underneath. Kishi has yet to challenge Sakura's feelings for Naruto, because he's yet to create a female character that would be fangirling Naruto. And we know why, he wants to keep NS a secret while he expose NH and SS to the world.

Edited by Konoha'sCrimsonFox, 09 August 2012 - 07:31 PM.

[Gravenimage]

if kishi killed NH from a long time, there will be many fans that will stop reading the manga. he already know what are the consequences if he blow up NH right now. i think he will take some time to drop the line on NH for the sake of his own self as a writer and the sells, of course.

So what? The ones who are going to stop reading the manga are the western fans and big deal. If Kishi kills NH for good the Japanese won't give squat because they're not that hardcore for NH unlike NS which its famous (not as famous as yaoi pairings). And also big deal if they stop reading the manga a lot of the western fans read the manga online which it doesn't supports with Kishi's wallet because we're reading the manga for free. Most fans buy the volumes but if those western fans stop reading just because their favorite pairing won't happen then it won't affect his wallet at all. In fact he could care less what other fandoms might think he's not the only mangaka who has done something to the story that has upset/disappointed fans.

Take a look at Tite Kubo author of Bleach how many western fans were upset that he killed most of the espada like Grimjow or Ulquiora? It will be the same result with Kishi if he kills one pairing.

[merryGOflava]

hey guys....do you think the way sakura feels for sasuke is more lust and the way she feels for naruto is love?

lust is the strong desire for someone (the way she wants sasuke)

love is intense feelings of deep affection (the way she cares for naruto)


so sasuke= lust (sakura's longing for him)
naruto= love (sakura's happiness and warmth with naruto)

???

did i make sense? here read this...is sounds exactly like sakura's situation with naruto and sasuke

http://www.psycholog...-the-difference

i wanted to ask what people thought about this post y no one comment back?

[T XD]

i don't think it's lust for sasuke, i think it's more of an unhealthy obsession on sasuke.

Edited by T XD, 09 August 2012 - 07:46 PM.

[merryGOflava]

i don't think it's lust for sasuke, i think it's more of an unhealthy obsession on sasuke.

thats pretty much lust :3 a strong(obsession) desire for someone :3

[Don-kun]

i don't think it's lust for sasuke, i think it's more of an unhealthy obsession on sasuke.

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Edited by NS means logic, 09 August 2012 - 07:52 PM.