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Posted 24 February 2016 - 09:37 PM

Who was it?

I am not gonna say because I don't want to ruin other people's parade.


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Posted 24 February 2016 - 09:37 PM

I am not gonna say because I don't want to ruin other people's parade.

You should do that :fu:

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Posted 24 February 2016 - 09:40 PM

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Well, everyone love nh.

If you mean everyone as in "the small minority that is too stupid to know what real love is and sadly are the most vocal of the groups" then yeah....I guess they do.

And then I no longer question why 50 shades of Grey is considered a  "good romance story" despite mostly everyone saying "it is just abuse."


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Posted 24 February 2016 - 09:45 PM

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Personally, I will not call them minority.
When almost everyone like that pairing more or less because of Hinata or for the other reason, but mostly because Hinata.

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Posted 24 February 2016 - 09:47 PM

@james
Personally, I will not call them minority.
When almost everyone like that pairing more or less because of Hinata or for the other reason, but mostly because Hinata.

Me and Naruto the series.


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Posted 24 February 2016 - 09:54 PM

Just how lost was Kishi was with his own work to get editor to do a lot of changes...

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Posted 24 February 2016 - 10:14 PM

Just how lost was Kishi was with his own work to get editor to do a lot of changes...

I am more concerned about fandom. How can anyone not see that Kishimoto just didn't care? All he wanted to do was the Sasuke vs Naruto fight. Everything else was written by Hinata fanboys working under him. And they are not exactly lying about their biased natured. They flat out admit it, but the fandom is so stupid that they don't even read the interviews or understand any of them

When the pro-enders, and this is a true story, tell me "Maybe Kishimoto was just trolling" when I showed them interviews of him saying that SS and NH is trash and mostly just pity screws, you know people have just lost their minds.

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I am more concerned about fandom. How can anyone not see that Kishimoto just didn't care? All he wanted to do was the Sasuke vs Naruto fight. Everything else was written by Hinata fanboys working under him. And they are not exactly lying about their biased natured. They flat out admit it, but the fandom is so stupid that they don't even read the interviews or understand any of them

When the pro-enders, and this is a true story, tell me "Maybe Kishimoto was just trolling" when I showed them interviews of him saying that SS and NH is trash and mostly just pity screws, you know people have just lost their minds.

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I know exactly how you feel James,  I had a similar situation happen at work where a good friend of mine an NH fan believe it or not argue back about why NS couldn't happen after Pain because well confessions and pissing off the fans, no wait the proper words he used were we all got the pairings we wanted plus the ending is what we all deserved, and I just sat their going like Oh you have no idea what I wanted from not just pairings, but the ending as well.  My girlfriend actually brought up a pretty interesting point about how the reflection of a series is ultimately determined by the end. it doesn't matter if say Book 1 and Book 2 were amazing  you also have to look at how things conclude with that final book in the series.  That's something I've kept in mind, but I've paid more attention to details I probably haven't noticed before ya know dialogue to dialogue, scene to scene, character interactions in retrospective for what was once this great series.  

 

 

Btw,  what file format did you want that video of mine since you mentioned that you wanted to do like the NS Podcast retrospective video from all the members? 


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Posted 24 February 2016 - 11:09 PM

Me and Naruto the series.

 

Ya I'm with you there man that song is how I am with the series. Or in book terms Chapter 693-now is my Cry for Justice and hopefully the Bolt movie will be my Rise of Arsenal with how bad the Bolt movie will be and that a Linkara reference just F.Y.I. Like to see what his take on this would be.
 



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Posted 25 February 2016 - 01:23 AM

I would agree with this until you remember that the assistant of Kishimoto not only attacked NS fan specifically, but called us all stupid for not "supporting NH and the like." So, to Kishimoto assistant, I don't believe he deserves any respect.

I hold no anger to Naruto the series. If anything Naruto as a series is nothing more than victim by product of people who decided to take matters into their own hands.

My only fault for Kishimoto now is him being unable to take responsibility of his actions and stand up against these people ruining his series.
 


Well, I didn't know about that. Regardless, I wouldn't throw back anything at him/them, though I supported their products in the past. Public figure with potty mouth would never go far in their journey, as far as respects and loyalty goes.

Even before he starts his series about Naruto's son, we can make a wild guess he's already at disadvantage. Naruto manga for 15 years has always been a weekly release. It helps to engage the readers.

This author will start with monthly basis. Apart from FMA, anybody recall other successful series released on monthly basis?

Another challenge is the discovery of the universe in the series. When Naruto started, readers know nothing about its universe, and that what made us hooked into the story. We didn't know who the hero's parents are, we didn't really know how chakra and ninja works, we didn't know much about the tailed beast.

With the upcoming series, a lot of these questions have been answered. So, unless you're very loyal to the series, I'm not sure how they can pull it off... Like I said before, if there's any competition between fandom, this would be the beginning for the group of people who support the ending.

They should proof that this ending and new story based on nH+SS is the better choice for the series, by supporting it financially. And to come out as the 'winner', those figures should be better than the one in which NS fandom supported Las time.

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Posted 25 February 2016 - 02:08 AM

 

I know exactly how you feel James,  I had a similar situation happen at work where a good friend of mine an NH fan believe it or not argue back about why NS couldn't happen after Pain because well confessions and pissing off the fans, no wait the proper words he used were we all got the pairings we wanted plus the ending is what we all deserved, and I just sat their going like Oh you have no idea what I wanted from not just pairings, but the ending as well.  My girlfriend actually brought up a pretty interesting point about how the reflection of a series is ultimately determined by the end. it doesn't matter if say Book 1 and Book 2 were amazing  you also have to look at how things conclude with that final book in the series.  That's something I've kept in mind, but I've paid more attention to details I probably haven't noticed before ya know dialogue to dialogue, scene to scene, character interactions in retrospective for what was once this great series.  

 

 

Btw,  what file format did you want that video of mine since you mentioned that you wanted to do like the NS Podcast retrospective video from all the members? 

You're girlfriend is right. The ending can make or break a story quite easily...especially a story that is overly complicated like Naruto. When you have so many issues to conclude and you refuse to answer any of them except "who did Naruto screw in bed with?" then you know the story is messed up. If it leaves you with more questions than answers, then you need to have a serious talk about the direction of the story.

This is even more true when you won't even finish the story or any questions IN THE STORY ITSELF and tell the fan "Well, you're going to have to read all the stuff written by other people to fill in the blanks." What kind of writer does that? What kind of writer just says screw it and let everyone else finish the story for them? Especially ones who cared more about their sexual self-inserts than the character themselves. I know Kishimoto does pay attention when he knows...HE KNOWS how shallow some of his fanbase is when it comes to the story.

He really just didn't care and gave up telling people "Do whatever you want." That is what I fault him for...that he didn't even have the courage to do it all himself.

And the fans....my god the fans...I don't even think there are any true anime fans anymore and if there are...they are VERY few. If you really ignore all the issues of a story simply because your favorite character got their way then you need to rethink yourself as a fan. I had characters I loved never get their way and I was fine with it because the story was amazing as it was. In the same breath I can say that just because I get my way doesn't mean the story went well either.

I just don't get it....all I keep screaming is "What is wrong with you people?"

This is why I am so afraid to invest in any other anime and manga now because of this. Because I can't trust the person driving the story. High School of the Dead I always wanted an ending, but for some odd reason I have a nagging suspicions that it is not going to end the way I want it. Especially when it comes to the pairings. It;s like I want to say "I know Rei and Takashi are going to get together even though Saeko is a better girl for him. Rei only seemed to care about Takashi when Saeko was flirting with him. Even more obvious when all she does is complain how bad Takashi is and good her previous boyfriend was and expects Takashi to love her despite her only care about him now AFTER her boyfriend was turned into a zombie. There was this one scene where Rei is like "I am sorry, I will never hurt you again" and all I keep thinking is "Would you be saying that if Hisashi was still alive?"

Thankfully Takashi is a little more real about it. "I don't know whether to hit you or kiss you." Yeah I know Takashi once had a thing for her, but if a girl plays with your heart and treats you like crap because SHE can't get over herself...it starts to have negative thoughts with the relationship.

I guess what I am trying to say is I want something more real. Not just these characters fall in love and forgive everything because of that love, but show how if you don;t take care and recklessly treat people like crap, they will abandon you. Show a realistic event where abuse is NOT tolerated. And I am not talking about the comedy stuff. I am talking about the real abuse where if you treat someone like crap long enough, they end up fighting back and unwilling to deal with it. Not just magically fall in love thinking "Oh I can change them."

I want a writer to show case that not all relationships work out and show it over the time of the story, not just "Oh in the last 5 minutes after all that development, ship hits the fan." That we don't always meet our soulmate right off the bat and show that development throughout the series. People can and will have a change of heart. It is not that unreasonable.

Hell, want to make Naruto more interesting? Have NH and SS get a divorce because they are dysfunctional and reflect that with the kids. Have NS get together to represent a renewal and actually have these characters grow and learn from that. You know? Like what happens in real life. Divorces can happen and sometimes, it is the best thing because it means that what they thought was love was really just a moment a desperation. I know people say divorce is a bad thing, but living a lie and pretending to love someone you don't is far worse a fate...especially when everyone suffers for it. No one ever tackles the hardships of relationships because they believe that as soon as they are married, then everything is perfect.

I wish I could be like Miyazaki. He says that otakus are ruining anime and he is right. he says that writers are not looking to real life as a means to write stories and he is right. He says that one day all of it is going to come crashing down...and he is right again....and yet he just stopped caring and focused on the better things in life. I wish I could be like him instead of this...stressed out mess.

And worse still when the pro-enders jsut keep saying "You should just chill and acceptthe ending for what it is meanwhile they kittened harder and sent death threats to Kishimoto DEMANDING that NH be canon."

As for your second question...any format really...as long as it works. I can convert it if need to, but I just need it to play.


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Posted 25 February 2016 - 02:34 AM

Sorry about the double post, but the forum won't let me do it any other way for some reason.

 

Well, I didn't know about that. Regardless, I wouldn't throw back anything at him/them, though I supported their products in the past. Public figure with potty mouth would never go far in their journey, as far as respects and loyalty goes.

I don't really care about Bolt or his fanservice bullcrap anymore. Sorry, but that is all it is now. A cash cow meant to milk as much money out of Naruto as possible. Anybody who thinks this is not the case would be senile.

Bold: And yet they never get punished for it. They never seem to get the justice they deserve and I think that is the problem. Better writers get a lot of flak for stupid things, but then a guy like this never gets anything because he plays the "sexual fan service game" to hide behind.

It's not about revenge, maturity, or anything like that anymore. No, it's punishment. This man deserves to be punished for taking a good idea an destroying it. Same with Studio Perriot. The studio deserves to be burned to the ground because they make the kittentiest stuff and yet STILL keep making it while good anime gets tossed after the first season. Maybe if we got rid of all the garbage and mediocrity then we can get a higher standard of anime and story telling.

One Punch Man, and I know I am beating a dead horse, is proof that you don't need big budget or vast wealth to make an amazing anime. All they had was the same budget and a massive passion for the subject and they made something truly amazing. Something that anyone can enjoy and not worry about it overwhelming itself and up it's own backside. it's not pretentious or thinks it's hot kitten. It just wants to have fun and that's what it offered. A way to have fun.

ONE, Murata, and Madhouse DESERVE the praise they get...Kishimoto and Studio Perriot do not...and I want to see them burn just so some born anew can rise from the ashes....something better.

There is no morality anymore. There is only what you can do...and what you can't do....
 


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Posted 25 February 2016 - 03:00 AM

Sorry about the double post, but the forum won't let me do it any other way for some reason.
 
I don't really care about Bolt or his fanservice bullcrap anymore. Sorry, but that is all it is now. A cash cow meant to milk as much money out of Naruto as possible. Anybody who thinks this is not the case would be senile.

Bold: And yet they never get punished for it. They never seem to get the justice they deserve and I think that is the problem. Better writers get a lot of flak for stupid things, but then a guy like this never gets anything because he plays the "sexual fan service game" to hide behind.

It's not about revenge, maturity, or anything like that anymore. No, it's punishment. This man deserves to be punished for taking a good idea an destroying it. Same with Studio Perriot. The studio deserves to be burned to the ground because they make the kittentiest stuff and yet STILL keep making it while good anime gets tossed after the first season. Maybe if we got rid of all the garbage and mediocrity then we can get a higher standard of anime and story telling.

One Punch Man, and I know I am beating a dead horse, is proof that you don't need big budget or vast wealth to make an amazing anime. All they had was the same budget and a massive passion for the subject and they made something truly amazing. Something that anyone can enjoy and not worry about it overwhelming itself and up it's own backside. it's not pretentious or thinks it's hot kitten. It just wants to have fun and that's what it offered. A way to have fun.

ONE, Murata, and Madhouse DESERVE the praise they get...Kishimoto and Studio Perriot do not...and I want to see them burn just so some born anew can rise from the ashes....something better.

There is no morality anymore. There is only what you can do...and what you can't do....
 


Yep, I agree completely, James. Then again, it really make you wonder a great studio like Ghibli had to suspend their operation, while SP walks away freely with their mediocre story.

But this is the reality we live in --as sad as it seems. I was so broken hearted when Ghibli announced they are suspending their operation. It's a great loss to anime industry.

Anyways, they're still producing mini anime on monthly basis. And those anime are shown in their museum. If you got a chance to visit Japan, don't forget to go there. You won't regret...

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Posted 25 February 2016 - 03:14 AM

I am not gonna say because I don't want to ruin other people's parade.


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Posted 25 February 2016 - 04:13 AM

@james
Personally, I will not call them minority.
When almost everyone like that pairing more or less because of Hinata or for the other reason, but mostly because Hinata.

I highly doubt it was "almost everyone". At best NH/SS fans were simply the loudest and most extreme with their demands.
 

 

 

I know exactly how you feel James,  I had a similar situation happen at work where a good friend of mine an NH fan believe it or not argue back about why NS couldn't happen after Pain because well confessions and pissing off the fans, no wait the proper words he used were we all got the pairings we wanted plus the ending is what we all deserved, and I just sat their going like Oh you have no idea what I wanted from not just pairings, but the ending as well.  My girlfriend actually brought up a pretty interesting point about how the reflection of a series is ultimately determined by the end. it doesn't matter if say Book 1 and Book 2 were amazing  you also have to look at how things conclude with that final book in the series.  That's something I've kept in mind, but I've paid more attention to details I probably haven't noticed before ya know dialogue to dialogue, scene to scene, character interactions in retrospective for what was once this great series.  

 

 

Btw,  what file format did you want that video of mine since you mentioned that you wanted to do like the NS Podcast retrospective video from all the members? 

And the sad thing is...when you take the Naruto ending and all it entailed (the way characters turn out, the way the story went, the lessons being thrown away and such) and then look back over the story from the beginning...it actually still makes sense from that point-of-view and easy to come up with explanations...like, for example, Naruto being merely an attention-seeking brat who didn't actually truly care about anyone but himself (or at least doesn't seem to care about the plights of others unless they're somehow "related" to him, like other Jinchuriki)
 

 

You're girlfriend is right. The ending can make or break a story quite easily...especially a story that is overly complicated like Naruto. When you have so many issues to conclude and you refuse to answer any of them except "who did Naruto screw in bed with?" then you know the story is messed up. If it leaves you with more questions than answers, then you need to have a serious talk about the direction of the story.

This is even more true when you won't even finish the story or any questions IN THE STORY ITSELF and tell the fan "Well, you're going to have to read all the stuff written by other people to fill in the blanks." What kind of writer does that? What kind of writer just says screw it and let everyone else finish the story for them? Especially ones who cared more about their sexual self-inserts than the character themselves. I know Kishimoto does pay attention when he knows...HE KNOWS how shallow some of his fanbase is when it comes to the story.

He really just didn't care and gave up telling people "Do whatever you want." That is what I fault him for...that he didn't even have the courage to do it all himself.

And the fans....my god the fans...I don't even think there are any true anime fans anymore and if there are...they are VERY few. If you really ignore all the issues of a story simply because your favorite character got their way then you need to rethink yourself as a fan. I had characters I loved never get their way and I was fine with it because the story was amazing as it was. In the same breath I can say that just because I get my way doesn't mean the story went well either.

I just don't get it....all I keep screaming is "What is wrong with you people?"

This is why I am so afraid to invest in any other anime and manga now because of this. Because I can't trust the person driving the story. High School of the Dead I always wanted an ending, but for some odd reason I have a nagging suspicions that it is not going to end the way I want it. Especially when it comes to the pairings. It;s like I want to say "I know Rei and Takashi are going to get together even though Saeko is a better girl for him. Rei only seemed to care about Takashi when Saeko was flirting with him. Even more obvious when all she does is complain how bad Takashi is and good her previous boyfriend was and expects Takashi to love her despite her only care about him now AFTER her boyfriend was turned into a zombie. There was this one scene where Rei is like "I am sorry, I will never hurt you again" and all I keep thinking is "Would you be saying that if Hisashi was still alive?"

Thankfully Takashi is a little more real about it. "I don't know whether to hit you or kiss you." Yeah I know Takashi once had a thing for her, but if a girl plays with your heart and treats you like crap because SHE can't get over herself...it starts to have negative thoughts with the relationship.

I guess what I am trying to say is I want something more real. Not just these characters fall in love and forgive everything because of that love, but show how if you don;t take care and recklessly treat people like crap, they will abandon you. Show a realistic event where abuse is NOT tolerated. And I am not talking about the comedy stuff. I am talking about the real abuse where if you treat someone like crap long enough, they end up fighting back and unwilling to deal with it. Not just magically fall in love thinking "Oh I can change them."

I want a writer to show case that not all relationships work out and show it over the time of the story, not just "Oh in the last 5 minutes after all that development, ship hits the fan." That we don't always meet our soulmate right off the bat and show that development throughout the series. People can and will have a change of heart. It is not that unreasonable.

Hell, want to make Naruto more interesting? Have NH and SS get a divorce because they are dysfunctional and reflect that with the kids. Have NS get together to represent a renewal and actually have these characters grow and learn from that. You know? Like what happens in real life. Divorces can happen and sometimes, it is the best thing because it means that what they thought was love was really just a moment a desperation. I know people say divorce is a bad thing, but living a lie and pretending to love someone you don't is far worse a fate...especially when everyone suffers for it. No one ever tackles the hardships of relationships because they believe that as soon as they are married, then everything is perfect.

I wish I could be like Miyazaki. He says that otakus are ruining anime and he is right. he says that writers are not looking to real life as a means to write stories and he is right. He says that one day all of it is going to come crashing down...and he is right again....and yet he just stopped caring and focused on the better things in life. I wish I could be like him instead of this...stressed out mess.

And worse still when the pro-enders jsut keep saying "You should just chill and acceptthe ending for what it is meanwhile they kittened harder and sent death threats to Kishimoto DEMANDING that NH be canon."

As for your second question...any format really...as long as it works. I can convert it if need to, but I just need it to play.

QFE.

And in terms of HotD, Rei also made it quite apparent right from the first episode/chapter. After Takashi kills a zombified Hisashi, Rei, while I can't blame her for being upset in general, but the way she goes as far as trying to accuse Takashi of killing Hisashi to get him out of the way so that he himself could have a shot at her again, I mean, just how full of oneself can one be (especially with that sick smile she was wearing, believing that she had him dead to rights)? And to top it all off, as soon as Takashi decides to try to walk out on her, not seeing any point in trying to argue, that's when she suddenly changes her tune, turns on the tears and begs him to stay, claiming she didn't mean any of what she said. All I could think was, "Yeah, you want him to stay so he can be your human meat shield." As you said, she also just constantly kept comparing Takashi to Hisashi (right to his face a number of times). Even when she didn't directly say Hisashi's name, the implication was quite obvious.

I would love to have an actual realistic anime like that in terms of relationships and human nature.

I mean, these days I practically jump for joy at something as small as a male harem lead actually getting together with one of the females before the ending (like Mashiro-iro Symphony) rather than a constant tug-of-war between the females and/or the male being a constant dense idiot as an excuse to not have any real conclusions.


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Posted 25 February 2016 - 06:41 AM

Yep, I agree completely, James. Then again, it really make you wonder a great studio like Ghibli had to suspend their operation, while SP walks away freely with their mediocre story.

But this is the reality we live in --as sad as it seems. I was so broken hearted when Ghibli announced they are suspending their operation. It's a great loss to anime industry.

Anyways, they're still producing mini anime on monthly basis. And those anime are shown in their museum. If you got a chance to visit Japan, don't forget to go there. You won't regret...

And with that the bar has been lowered and the standards shot..

 

I highly doubt it was "almost everyone". At best NH/SS fans were simply the loudest and most extreme with their demands.
 

 

And the sad thing is...when you take the Naruto ending and all it entailed (the way characters turn out, the way the story went, the lessons being thrown away and such) and then look back over the story from the beginning...it actually still makes sense from that point-of-view and easy to come up with explanations...like, for example, Naruto being merely an attention-seeking brat who didn't actually truly care about anyone but himself (or at least doesn't seem to care about the plights of others unless they're somehow "related" to him, like other Jinchuriki)
 

 

QFE.

And in terms of HotD, Rei also made it quite apparent right from the first episode/chapter. After Takashi kills a zombified Hisashi, Rei, while I can't blame her for being upset in general, but the way she goes as far as trying to accuse Takashi of killing Hisashi to get him out of the way so that he himself could have a shot at her again, I mean, just how full of oneself can one be (especially with that sick smile she was wearing, believing that she had him dead to rights)? And to top it all off, as soon as Takashi decides to try to walk out on her, not seeing any point in trying to argue, that's when she suddenly changes her tune, turns on the tears and begs him to stay, claiming she didn't mean any of what she said. All I could think was, "Yeah, you want him to stay so he can be your human meat shield." As you said, she also just constantly kept comparing Takashi to Hisashi (right to his face a number of times). Even when she didn't directly say Hisashi's name, the implication was quite obvious.

I would love to have an actual realistic anime like that in terms of relationships and human nature.

I mean, these days I practically jump for joy at something as small as a male harem lead actually getting together with one of the females before the ending (like Mashiro-iro Symphony) rather than a constant tug-of-war between the females and/or the male being a constant dense idiot as an excuse to not have any real conclusions.

 

Truth be told, I can look at the Naruto endings and the follow up chapters in a lot of ways, but the way Naruto is as a person is that Naruto is really REALLY stupid and the adults are even dumber for following his views. Sasuke, as much as I hated him, had very good points and was actually living in a truth that even stands today. Naruto however was too much a dream and kind of a brat if he didn't get his way. If you didn't follow him, he didn't care about you. Now originally you could argue against all this, but seeing how the ending played out, this is actually how I see it all now.

Naruto, in the time he is now, is actually an extremely depressed man because all his dreams were shot. He wanted Sasuke to stay in the village, but realized he can't force him to do anything. This is why Naruto acts like a happy puppy when Sasuke comes home as little as he does. He only got with Hinata, not because he loves her, but out pity and realizing that he couldn't have Sakura. You can even see this when he sees Sakura talk to Salad and that look on his face is just screaming with regret. Like "I wish that is my family instead of the kitten I have now." maybe this is why he likes Salad to much. He is vicariously pretending to be her father and pretending Sakura is his wife. This would explain why he is much kinder and loving towards Salad. It could have to do with Sasuke too, but I don't think that is simply because of that one panel I mentioned.

This all easily explains alot with why he is never home, why he is always working, why he looks so miserable all the time. Why does Hinata do nothing for him? Because he really doesn't want this fate. It was not his dream. He though he was going to be this great Hokage, but all he is is a paper pusher. He thought he was going to get the girl of his dream, but now he is stuck with the bimbo he never cared about. People don't understand that NARUTO IS MISERABLE. "Well, he achieved his dreams." No, he didn't The dude had 5 dreams in his life and maybe only 1 of them came true. Okay 2, if you count him becoming Hokage, but it is not exactly that great dream job now is it?

That is the sad part about it all and nobody realizes it. Naruto is a tragic love story with fates worse than death. I can't speak for the other Konoha 11, but still. Neji is probably the most tragic of them all. He died as he lived...a slave to main branch giving it all up so she can have it all and Hinata didn't even respect that. "Oh well, people die...as long as I got my Naruto-kun."

-sigh-

As for the HotD. Tell me about it. Rei is just a walking stereotype of "I am a women. I am always the victim...every has to pity me and do what I say." Takashi especially is just this whipping boy for her that doesn't appear she loves at all. Meanwhile Saeko sits here and say "I am willing to do anything to save him. Even if means being what it means to be a women to a man" or sex and she actually loves him because he accepted her for who she is. She thinks of herself a monster. Takashi accepted, but also cared about her. I guess one could argue Takashi only sees her as an asset, but nothing a little development could prove otherwise. It is so easily to put Saeko and Takashi together and have them be an awesome couple. Rei and Takashi however....all she does is kitten and blame Takashi for her problems when in reality it is HER that had the problem.

 


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Posted 25 February 2016 - 07:06 AM

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Ghibli kaguya flop is one if not the reason why they goes hiatus.

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Posted 25 February 2016 - 11:13 AM

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Maintaining quality need money but not all good product sold well to mass.



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Posted 25 February 2016 - 11:23 AM

It's more likely a highly true rumor. Ghibli announced that it was Miyazaki's retirement that made them go to hiatus, but some articles reference how the studio isn't making enough for another movie. Also I read from this article;

 

http://en.rocketnews...lutely-nothing/

 

And another article (for some reason I can't post on mobile) that mention how Miyazaki's retirement has something to do with future works. As one of his fellow partner mention, he said that with the way the standards are currently, the studio is unsure on what they want to do for their future work. Ghibli is planning on reinventing themselves so they can appeal to our current generation. Miyazaki was  displeased and choose to "retire". But these are rumors as the article mentions (specifically the one I can't post). 

 

Point is is that are standards are reaching to a point were even Ghibli are giving in wanting to appeal to our generation, especially since their latest film was a flop compared to years before.


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Posted 25 February 2016 - 11:31 AM

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Maintaining quality need money but not all good product sold well to mass.

No, you need love to maintain quality of manga which stem from care.

Naruto is prime example of author doesn't care anymore.

And oda is the prime example of love to make manga.




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