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Posted 19 June 2015 - 04:49 AM

Let's even consider that SasuSaku do have the off-screen marriage that "my wife" and "my husband" imply. Why would Sakura not say that they've kissed? That is the strangest aversion to a child's question, which is continuously a problem Sakura has when talking about her marriage. If they are husband and wife for what reason does she have to dodge questions with Sarada? I understand that if Sarada is not her biological daughter, she might fumble with explaining the circumstances of her birth such as why there'd be no baby pictures... but questions about Sasuke and their relationship?
 
Didn't Sasuke and Sakura, I don't know... date? In the gaiden with Kiba we saw Naruto and Hinata walking together; did Sasuke and Sakura do something similar? That they'd have gotten married and had a marriage without kissing, or intimacy, is really difficult to imagine and then be called 'happily married'. There is a reason why Sarada asked about 'kissing' because even she at a young age knows that it's what people in love do. Forehead pokes are not exclusively for people in a romantic relationship, otherwise Sarada would not have received one. She wanted to know about her parents in love.
 
I think in a way we're like Sarada when it comes to this pairing; we're asking for love, we're asking for the reasonable things expected out of a pairing, but what we're getting is ambiguity while still being assured that they're "husband and wife". We know that Sasuke has been gone for twelve years, so there's a big part of their marriage that's missing, but something had to come before it. There had to be a reason why they're together... but every time a question gets dodged that's becoming less and less clear... because there should be no reason why there isn't a clear answer unless that answer is an awkward "No, we never kissed,"
 
So if they are together and truly in love... why hide it? If they're not together, then why lie? It's so confusing. I hope something clears up in the next two chapters. 

What I do think works in this chapter is that Sarada acknowledges she still loves her mother. The flashback between Sakura and Sarada tells me that Sakura did care about her, and take care of her--and in the twelve years that they've been together Sarada certainly loved Sakura. Naruto might say time and such are not important and feelings are real, but that's sort of jumbled. Yes, it's Sarada's love for the person who she considers her mother that matters and not that they're not blood related, but that didn't come from nowhere. It came from time and affection. Sakura watching over Sarada when she was sick and sleeping tells me that it wasn't mere obligation that Sakura 'acted' like a parent, but loved her daughter like one. That matters. The fact that Sasuke is her blood-related father, but hasn't been around to love and care for her is a problem and hence why Sarada was constantly asking about him.
 
Sidenote:
Naruto never mentions anything like "but Sakura was pregnant how could this be?!" meaning that he wasn't around for the nine months that would have been telling, or for the birth of his two best friends' first child. How detached was he from their lives? The only thing I could imagine was that Sasuke and Sakura were gone away from the village for a long time, and then came back with a baby like yup this is ours. We had her out there, in the big wide world...
 


Trying to apply logic to Kishi's work, that's cute



 
SasuSaku has to be the most confusing pairing to become canon. 


That's because it shouldn't have in first place

Edited by Nar123, 19 June 2015 - 04:51 AM.

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Posted 19 June 2015 - 05:01 AM

Trying to apply logic to Kishi's work, that's cute



That's because it shouldn't have in first place

 

Can you be any more condescending?



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Posted 19 June 2015 - 05:25 AM

There's no logic in naruto because it's always about drama.

There's no use to apply logic in this manga, since it useless and lead to nothing.

Edited by rocci, 19 June 2015 - 05:27 AM.


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Posted 19 June 2015 - 07:02 AM

when i saw this panel of sakura

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immediately thought of this panel:

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they look way too similar

 

also what's with the way kishimoto draws blushes now. looks like she's got a rash or something.

Something I have been wondering since the spin off started is what was it that caused Sarada to start doubting that Sakura was her mother? that was a missed opportunity for this chapter

she saw the picture of taka and noticed she had the same glasses as karin.


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Posted 19 June 2015 - 08:44 AM

Sidenote:

Naruto never mentions anything like "but Sakura was pregnant how could this be?!" meaning that he wasn't around for the nine months that would have been telling, or for the birth of his two best friends' first child. How detached was he from their lives? The only thing I could imagine was that Sasuke and Sakura were gone away from the village for a long time, and then came back with a baby like yup this is ours. We had her out there, in the big wide world...
 

SasuSaku has to be the most confusing pairing to become canon. 

Well if you go by the Sakura Hiden and all the other Novels that came after the ending then you would know that Sakura never ever left the village and NH got married and had a kid right after that  and Sasuke was still wondering around , so if you go by that timeline the only "logical" conclusion is Sasuke just came with the baby and dropped it in front of Sakura's door . Even with this there's still many inconsistency with the timelines so who knows , But then again this "story" was never ever good with its time line its inconsistent and an absolute trainwreck another of the many marks of bad writing . 

 

The whole relationship makes no sense  to say its "confusing" its really an understatement its downright abusive , just the message that it gives to children who read this its absolute horror , such thing should never  even exist especially in a manga meant for kids. You can't just discard the "development" they had before this ending  which was toxic/abusive and suddenly substitute it with "marriage/love" it doesn't work like that or justify it nor would prove anything  that's all just a horrible writing nothing more .


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Posted 19 June 2015 - 09:00 AM

when i saw this panel of sakura

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immediately thought of this panel:

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they look way too similar

 

also what's with the way kishimoto draws blushes now. looks like she's got a rash or something.

she saw the picture of taka and noticed she had the same glasses as karin.

The mofo is trolling hard he has no shame *sign* . Red Herring my ass  news flash you illiterate imbecile of an author  that's not a Red Herring you don't create one that has the meaning of "foreshadowing" go back to elementary please  :facepalm: . 


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Posted 19 June 2015 - 10:04 AM

......*gets up, pats dirt off self, grabs a drink, sits down, and clears throat*

The Naruto fandom is one big pathetic joke of a fandom. All anybody cares about is pairings and everything else gets ignored. We have one chapter showcasing Sakura as a loving mother and apparently this is supposed to erase the fact that Sakura in the beginning of Naruto Gaiden basically got so angry at Salad for bringing up Sasuke that she destroyed her own house in that anger.

So apparently, Sakura lying to her "daughter" is not bad for really no reason, destroying her house in anger is not bad, yelling at her daughter is not bad, but her yelling and hitting Naruto in a comical fashion is the ultimate form of abuse.

We are then going to look as Naruto and Sasuke as parents
Sasuke:
-Hasn't been home in 12+ years

-Has given Sakura nothing except pain and burdens including dumping his own child on her
-Has cared more about the mission than his own family
-Has pulled a blade on his own daughter

But we are supposed to think he is some deep character because in this one chapter he calls Sakura strong. So he calls her weak for 15 years, but calls her strong once and we are to assume this is the real Sasuke. Also love how Sakura and Sasuke never refer to each other by name anymore. Just "husband" and "wife."

Naruto:
-Hits his own kid and calls him a brat despite being a bad father
-Spends more time at work than his own family
-Has shown more love and care to Salad than his own kid
-Hasn't seen his own friends in...god knows how long and is so out of the loop...he didn't know Salad was NOT Sakura's kid.
-blames everyone else for his own and Sasuke's failures instead of blaming the people who are really responsible...themselves.
-Has lied throughout this whole entire gaiden and even has said the OPPOSITE of what he kept saying in the original manga. (How Bonds are important, but apparently now they are not important which makes no sense.)

...and we are to believe that Naruto is one of the best Hokage ever, is a good father, and is still the same guy who we grew up with for 15 years?

SasuSaku
-No marriage photos
-No memories
-No license
-No time together

-No anything

.....but we are to believe SasuSaku is a happy, loving MARRIED family that is the greatest love of all time because.....Sakura is loyal?

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-Naruto hasn't mentioned Hinata once or even thought about her since this all started
-Ignores Bolt when he tried to give a Bento box from his "loving wife."

-Hinata, who is supposed to be this main heroine, has made no impact on this story after Naruto the Last
-Constant retcons to the point that even Naruto himself doesn't even acknowledge Naruto the Last. So Naruto just forgot everything with Hinata all together
-Naruto has made no impact on this story at all now....he is just...there.

....and we are supposed to believe that this was all "planned from the start" and this was Kishimoto's entire dream story?

Meanwhile

-Sakura is constantly being drawn exactly like Kushina. The supposed "girl she has no resemblance to" or was a massive red herring according to Kishimoto
-Naruto has smiled more thinking of Sakura than his own wife. In fact, the only time he has ever been happy is around Sakura or thinking about her

-Naruto cares more about Sakura than Sasuke does and is even saying things what Sasuke should be saying.
-Sakura does not refer to Sasuke by name anymore, but Naruto refers to Sakura by name.
-Sasuke had a kid with Karin whether it be through sex or artifical
-Naruto has had more involvement with Sakura and her family than Sasuke with his own or even Naruto with his own

....and we are to believe that NaruSaku was never meant to exist at all? That it was all a red herring that once again this was all planned from the start?

You know....I am gonna say it.....I hate the Naruto fandom more than I hate the manga. I really really hate the Naruto fandom for all the blind biased nature, the hypocrisy, the double standards, and the constant sexist behavior they all exhibit now.

I hate this fandom where I feel more like I am in a  prison trying not to be shanked instead of feeling like I am actually a part of something. I am tired of the bad guys winning and getting their way. I am tired of people who don't deserve any of it.

This fandom....it is disgusting and knowing full well that they could also like the other stuff I like or support the couples I like in other stories is sickening me to the thought of it. Knowing full well that I could have talked to some before in civil manner, but Naruto has corrupted them to the point of being.....there is no word for it. It's nothing, but dark and corruption now and all I ever get told is "get over it" meanwhile they keep hammering everything in to mock me. I am told to "suck it up" but all they do is kick me around.

I see posts about how sexism is bad, how abuse is bad, how racism etc are bad, but when Naruto the manga has shown nothing, but racism, sexism, abuse, and everything so bad and deemed MONSTEROUS in today's society...all of a sudden it is okay. It's okay if Sasuke is abusive and neglects his family for stupid reasons. It is okay if Sasuke and Naruto are bad fathers. It is okay if Sakura lies and treats her kid like crap. It is okay of all the parents in this series treat their kids like crap. It is okay if all this disgusting behavior happens in this story because....A.) it is just a story and it is fictional. B) "My pairings are canon and that's all that matters no matter how destructive they are" and C) because anyone who talks bad about any of this doesn't know what "TUR LURVE" is

Am I insane? Am I in a parallel universe? Where the hell am I? How come portraying women in a sexy fashion is apparently sexism, but showing a couple that is abusive and the women being a childish horny teenager is not?

What happened and where did all the love go?


Edited by James S Cassidy, 19 June 2015 - 05:41 PM.

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Posted 19 June 2015 - 10:47 AM

......*gets up, pats dirt off self, grabs a drink, sits down, and clears throat*

The Naruto fandom is one big pathetic joke of a fandom. All anybody cares about is pairings and everything else gets ignored. We have one chapter showcasing Sakura as a loving mother and apparently this is supposed to erase the fact that Sakura in the beginning of Naruto Gaiden basically got so angry at Salad for bringing up Sasuke that she destroyed her own house in that anger.

So apparently, Sakura lying to her "daughter" is not bad for really no reason, destroying her house in anger is not bad, yelling at her daughter is not bad, but her yelling and hitting Naruto in a comical fashion is the ultimate form of abuse.

We are then going to look as Naruto and Sasuke as parents
Sasuke:
-Hasn't been home in 12+ years
-Has given Sakura nothing except pain and burdens including dumping his own child on her
-Has cared more about the mission than his own family
-Has pulled a blade on his own daughter
But we are supposed to think he is some deep character because in this one chapter he calls Sakura strong. So he calls her weak for 15 years, but calls her strong once and we are to assume this is the real Sasuke. Also love how Sakura and Sasuke never refer to each other by name anymore. Just "husband" and "wife."

Naruto:
-Hits his own kid and calls him a brat despite being a bad father
-Spends more time at work than his own family
-Has shown more love and care to Salad than his own kid
-Hasn't seen his own friends in...god knows how long and is so out of the loop...he didn't know Salad was NOT Sakura's kid.
-blames everyone else for his own and Sasuke's failures instead of blaming the people who are really responsible...themselves.
-Has lied throughout this whole entire gaiden and even has said the OPPOSITE of what he kept saying in the original manga. (How Bonds are important, but apparently now they are not important which makes no sense.)

...and we are to believe that Naruto is one of the best Hokage ever, is a good father, and is still the same guy who we grew up with for 15 years?

SasuSaku
-No marriage photos
-No memories
-No license
-No time together
-No anything

.....but we are to believe SasuSaku is a happy, loving MARRIED family that is the greatest love of all time because.....Sakura is loyal?

NaruHina
-Naruto hasn't mentioned Hinata once or even thought about her since this all started
-Ignores Bolt when he tried to give a Bento box from his "loving wife."
-Hinata, who is supposed to be this main heroine, has made no impact on this story after Naruto the Last
-Constant retcons to the point that even Naruto himself doesn't even acknowledge Naruto the Last. So Naruto just forgot everything with Hinata all together
-Naruto has made no impact on this story at all now....he is just...there.

....and we are supposed to believe that this was all "planned from the start" and this was Kishimoto's entire dream story?

Meanwhile
-Sakura is constantly being drawn exactly like Kushina. The supposed "girl she has no resemblance to" or was a massive red herring according to Kishimoto
-Naruto has smiled more thinking of Sakura than his own wife. In fact, the only time he has ever been happy is around Sakura or thinking about her
-Naruto cares more about Sakura than Sasuke does and is even saying things what Sasuke should be saying.
-Sakura does not refer to Sasuke by name anymore, but Naruto refers to Sakura by name.
-Sasuke had a kid with Karin whether it be through sex or artifical
-Naruto has had more involvement with Sakura and her family than Sasuke with his own or even Naruto with his own
....and we are to believe that NaruSaku was never meant to exist at all? That it was all a red herring that once again this was all planned from the start?

You know....I am gonna say it.....I hate the Naruto fandom more than I hate the manga. I really really hate the Naruto fandom for all the blind biased nature, the hypocrisy, the double standards, and the constant sexist behavior they all exhibit now.

I hate this fandom where I feel more like I am prison trying not to be shanked instead of feeling like I am actually apart of something. I am tired of the bad guys winning and getting their way. I am tired of people who don't deserve any of it.

This fandom....it is disgusting and knowing full well that they could also like the other stuff I like or support the couples I like in other stories is sickening me to the thought of it. Knowing full well that I could have talked to some before in civil manner, but Naruto has corrupted them to the point of being.....there is no word for it. It's nothing, but dark and corruption now and all I ever get told is "get over it" meanwhile they keep hammering everything in to mock me. I am told to "suck it up" but all they do is kick me around.

I see posts about how sexism is bad, how abuse is bad, how racism etc are bad, but when Naruto the manga has shown nothing, but racism, sexism, abuse, and everything so bad and deemed MONSTEROUS in today's society...all of a sudden it is okay. It's okay if Sasuke is abusive and neglects his family for stupid reasons. It is okay if Sasuke and Naruto are bad fathers. It is okay if Sakura lies and treats her kid like crap. It is okay of all the parents in this series treat their kids like crap. It is okay if all this disgusting behavior happens in this story because....A.) it is just a story and it is fictional. B) "My pairings are canon and that's all that matters no matter how destructive they are" and C) because anyone who talks bad about any of this doesn't know what "TUR LURVE" is

Am I insane? Am I in a parallel universe? Where the hell am I? How come portraying women in a sexy fashion is apparently sexism, but showing a couple that is abusive and the women being a childish horny teenager is not?

What happened and where did all the love go?



Well in a manga where people who did horrible things can be easily forgiven and is even suppose to look cool will eventually attract the wrong kind of fandom.

The fandom is similar to the manga. The people with twisted morals will get to have what they want.

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Posted 19 June 2015 - 11:42 AM

I'm with james. whenever i see someone (like sawyermage) say "I like hinata cuz she has big boobies" thats NOT kittening cute you pathetic beta male! thats shallow and pathetic. I don't care what size her chest is as long as she has good character development ala sakura pre 693.

 

 

edit: wait...did i just...INSULT someone? holy crap this manga is poisonous...


Edited by Catra, 19 June 2015 - 11:43 AM.


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Posted 19 June 2015 - 11:59 AM

I'm with james. whenever i see someone (like sawyermage) say "I like hinata cuz she has big boobies" thats NOT kittening cute you pathetic beta male! thats shallow and pathetic. I don't care what size her chest is as long as she has good character development ala sakura pre 693.

 

 

edit: wait...did i just...INSULT someone? holy crap this manga is poisonous...

 

 

There's a reason why most other manga/anime fandoms despise the Naruto fans. They (we're) a toxic lot. We have the pairings fans who are more deranged than Twilight fans at times, we have the battle fanatics who are convinced Naruto can handle the likes of Goku in his sleep, we have the Kishimoto fanatics (yes they exist) who consider him better than Shakespeare. 

 

I am curious to see how the gaiden series did, Pairings aren't all that big a deal in Japan so it might be interesting i guess.



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Posted 19 June 2015 - 01:11 PM

 
 
There's a reason why most other manga/anime fandoms despise the Naruto fans. They (we're) a toxic lot. We have the pairings fans who are more deranged than Twilight fans at times, we have the battle fanatics who are convinced Naruto can handle the likes of Goku in his sleep, we have the Kishimoto fanatics (yes they exist) who consider him better than Shakespeare. 
 
I am curious to see how the gaiden series did, Pairings aren't all that big a deal in Japan so it might be interesting i guess.

I agree.
I think it's more appropriate if they do it in naruto fandom.
But bringing it outside naruto fandom is laughable.

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Posted 19 June 2015 - 01:21 PM

You know the funny thing is if Sakura gets a kiss, it would kill the point of fingerpoke.

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Posted 19 June 2015 - 02:16 PM

Well if you go by the Sakura Hiden and all the other Novels that came after the ending then you would know that Sakura never ever left the village and NH got married and had a kid right after that  and Sasuke was still wondering around , so if you go by that timeline the only "logical" conclusion is Sasuke just came with the baby and dropped it in front of Sakura's door . Even with this there's still many inconsistency with the timelines so who knows , But then again this "story" was never ever good with its time line its inconsistent and an absolute trainwreck another of the many marks of bad writing . 

 

The whole relationship makes no sense  to say its "confusing" its really an understatement its downright abusive , just the message that it gives to children who read this its absolute horror , such thing should never  even exist especially in a manga meant for kids. You can't just discard the "development" they had before this ending  which was toxic/abusive and suddenly substitute it with "marriage/love" it doesn't work like that or justify it nor would prove anything  that's all just a horrible writing nothing more .

You know I seriously doubt Kishi even read those novels.


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Posted 19 June 2015 - 03:18 PM

when i saw this panel of sakura
ksh.png
immediately thought of this panel:
ksh1.png
they look way too similar
 
also what's with the way kishimoto draws blushes now. looks like she's got a rash or something.
she saw the picture of taka and noticed she had the same glasses as karin.


It happened before she found the picture. Right when she asked Sakura if Sasuke wore glasses

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Posted 19 June 2015 - 03:31 PM

 

 

There's a reason why most other manga/anime fandoms despise the Naruto fans. They (we're) a toxic lot. We have the pairings fans who are more deranged than Twilight fans at times, we have the battle fanatics who are convinced Naruto can handle the likes of Goku in his sleep, we have the Kishimoto fanatics (yes they exist) who consider him better than Shakespeare. 

 

I am curious to see how the gaiden series did, Pairings aren't all that big a deal in Japan so it might be interesting i guess.

 

According to traditional Chinese/Japanese family values this story is down right insanity. What does it say if westerners who don't give a kittens about this sort of thing calls these families dysfunctional and with the word in question being a severe understatement?


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Posted 19 June 2015 - 03:36 PM

I think the Sarada and Sakura flashback was nice.

Sakura takes care of her when she's sick, hugs her tightly when she's sad (over Sasuke's absence) and just acts cheerful ♥! The forehead poke is akin to a pat on the head- Unlike Sasuke/Itachi, it's not really a move to divert. Of course she'd wait for Sarada to grow up before talking about "sex" and she made her lunch afterwards. Sakura is motherly to Sarada.

 

Earlier Naruto was also nice to Sarada, they blushed at each other, they had a picnic together- Naruto sees Sarada's resemblance to Sasuke (his most important person) so he pays more attention to her than Bolt. Naruto pets Sarada's head.  Sarada thinks Naruto is fatherly.

 

Even now, he's trying to teach "love" to Sarada. While he says "time" is not a factor in bonds, that could also apply to himself. He never spent time with Sakura/Sarada, but right now he's loving Sarada and claims that as Hokage, she's family to him too.  He's still acting like Sarada's father. He's saying blood is nothing, bonds of love are. Which disregards Sasuke's parentage.

 

Kishimoto has given Sasuke NONE of that. Less bonding panels with Sarada than Naruto and Sakura had. And now, according to Naruto's words, his blood-relation isn't even a factor.

 

 

It's like NaruSaku parents for Sarada.



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Posted 19 June 2015 - 03:52 PM

Forneverworld:I like Hinata because of her boobs.

NS fan in Kentucky: I like Sakura(the one before Kishi ruined her)
because she's strongwilled. She's smart. She doesn't take crap from anybody. She cares about others before herself. I think she was falling in love with Naruto before Kishi messed up and I think falling in love with another and being there for one another is what love is about.

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Posted 19 June 2015 - 03:55 PM

 

 

There's a reason why most other manga/anime fandoms despise the Naruto fans. They (we're) a toxic lot. We have the pairings fans who are more deranged than Twilight fans at times, we have the battle fanatics who are convinced Naruto can handle the likes of Goku in his sleep, we have the Kishimoto fanatics (yes they exist) who consider him better than Shakespeare. 

 

I am curious to see how the gaiden series did, Pairings aren't all that big a deal in Japan so it might be interesting i guess.

 

Tell me about it. Was on comicvine the other day arguing with a dude who was convinced that Sasuke, even without the susanoo or any other kind of jutsu protection, is nigh invulnerable to the point that bullets would bounce off his body even if he were sleeping.


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Posted 19 June 2015 - 04:00 PM

It happened before she found the picture. Right when she asked Sakura if Sasuke wore glasses

No, she was more suspicious of Sakura and Sasuke's relationship then. That's why she asked if they were even married. It wasn't until she found the picture that we actually saw her questioning whether Sakura was her mother.

 
Tell me about it. Was on comicvine the other day arguing with a dude who was convinced that Sasuke, even without the susanoo or any other kind of jutsu protection, is nigh invulnerable to the point that bullets would bounce off his body even if he were sleeping.

wtf. How would that even be possible lmao.

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Posted 19 June 2015 - 04:01 PM

speaking of battle fanatics

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