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[James S Cassidy]

 

It all makes sense. This is going to be Naruto's birthday present.

You win the internet.

[Inferno180]

@Inferno: the deal isn't about that, is about how Kishi likes to screw-things-up. Even moreso, with all the things you've listed, doesn't make sense... And not to mention but... aesthetically speaking, when did we had the last NS interaction that beautifully drawn?

 

Guess I need to go to LAP mode to say I just always disagreed with the notion of kishi being a troll or messing around

 

The last deal with NS (whether it be 663 or her reaction to him being revived in 672) those were fine, all I am saying is, for all the who-hah some people are made with sasuke in this chapter at the end not really doing much or making a case with that staredown, its not going to be as simple or that and otherwise, I don't consider kishi just trolling or messing with the pairings, this whole "he likes to screw up" would then just come to a full lateral stop and just mean, well then no pairings would need to come at this point. I kept saying Kishi doesn't mess with the pairings, if he did he would have actually made it so this romance subplot wasn't this convoluted. if it was a mess in itself it wouldn't be done on purpose to mess it up even more. If kishi was "actively" messing with people, then why didnt' he give Hinata a bigger role beyond 615? To me its just his intent then, if he doesn't use Hinata as much then NH doesn't stand as much reason to occur, he isn't messing around or trolling 615 if he planned this long before, I mean even in a span of 504 to 631, that whole Sakura-Kushina deal other fandoms made a huge fuss about, they said the same thing with 663, kishi is a troll, messing around, screwing up, going bonkers. This isn't a series where the whole deal is just made 1 week on the spot to another, this is stuff planned out at least weeks ahead, other times long term plot events (kinda again like the foreshadow of kushina and sakura being like her) this was something he would have planned long ago, its just the reaction of an overly violate porition of the pairing fanbase.

 

Does kishi screw up then with SS? No, if he did it as something negative for so long, making it something antagonistic on sakura herself, it would be something she would eventually confront. I mean even to the point where in 675 with the notion she doesn't love him anymore, otherwise just comradeship, its not something that just goes said to be done for a while then completely flips around on its own to make her love sasuke again or to suddenly just make sasuke love her.

 

Kishis writing is something to question, but its not going to be a point where it gets that bad, I mean there are limits and anyone knows that if it comes to a point like say next chapter sasuke goes all smiles and says he loves Sakura, that is a complete break in what we have seen in the entirety of sasukes character, it would make no sense not only with the recent stuff but even moreso given the whole fact he never acted like that before.

 

I mean kishi has been weaker in some parts of his story, but the land of iron wasn't exactly clear to many people until naruto reconfirmed his love for sakura, he has done things that make people question stuff like why does he show sakura like this, why have minato keep screwing up, he gives sasuke to many passes, etc. Its just I don't consider him just actively going out of his way to screw things up in a pairing subplot i am sure even he is aware he has drawn out some inconsistent and conflicts with, I mean a simple case? yes Hinata confessing but left unresolved and making her focus so much on naruto, yet he hints NS will come. Though people called this trolling I need to ask is it?

 

-He had the choice to focus on NH and SS just as much as NS but he made most stuff occur and change for NS

 

-He never had to put stuff to make the audience think of something like the 4 tails event which had asked a question from yamato, saying how does sakura feel about naruto? This was the first reversal and if he had decided to make it another element in the subplot, he certainly has focused on it a lot to the point neither Hinata has gotten her time where it actually mattered with naruto beyond the 615 stuff nor has Sakura had that important resolution with sasuke yet he drew out her old feelings for him as some long internal conflict and strife and in order for this to be resolved, it is something she must confront and like the 631 stuff originating in 504, for even like Naruto and Sasukes final fight, he could have otherwise had a good idea on how to resolve this sasuke stuff with sakura.

 

Kishi and his team are not like SP and the other media forms that just throw out fanservice and just even outright attacked the fandom, I mean the team behind the rock lee spinoff, having jokes right in a series like this with hinata being a stalker, naruto being an uncaring jerk for hinata, neji being a crossdresser, sakura being some super angry must hit naruto and lee type person, this series takes everything up to 11 and so far out of the orginal material context, in some ways SD is making fun of the fanbase itself. I mean I don't know if you ever saw Avatar the last airbender Chatte, but the creators in that series were evidently messing with the pairings, they outright messed with them no questions, even to the point they had a panel a few years back where they even mocked the zutara fanbase and this was an outright overkill of a ship that didn't go canon, not because the creators chose this, they frankly didn't even like the pairing even in concept (which it could have been some rumors say) but in anycase they didn't follow it.

 

I don't say kishi actively messes or trolls around the romance subplot with this junk when its already a mess in itself along with the fact there were so many ways this trio of deals could go, I would find it incredibly just odd for anything but NS to come, not as a fan but simply because of the entire deal of development, the sheer screentime and change in dynamics and interaction between naruto and sakura compared to naruto and hinata and espcially to sakura and sasuke, it would be otherwise not bad, just incredibly underwhelming to see the other 2 in this situation when we have even seen not much change for hinata to naruto and we simply know she loves him for the never give up stuff, but she also always loved him just as sakura always loved sasuke, and even then, this one unlike NH was just even as you and I know, something that wasn't given much attention aside from negativity point and point again where it never even impacted sasuke. Could sasuke thank and acknowledge he was wrong about sakura? Yes he could, but the one thing that cannot happen is just sasuke just completely goes loving sakura out of nowhere or otherwise sakura just accepts the whole deal like nothing happened after all this time. The difference for NS isn't simply naruto just loving sakura, we know theres a reason he cannot confess until he had finished the promise while otherwise it was just, this was the only pairing where we got enough attention, kishi whether he orignally intended it or not, gave enough plot material and even hints and other events that sakura may have more then friendship feelings for naruto, its the only pairing as we all know that she has shown a fair degree of mutuality, some events have been from her to him entirely.

 

My point is, I doubt kishi is going to screw this up more than he has, even when the audience is left questioning exactly what happened. I mean many people tend to forget, the ending and main path to progress to it were already planned a while back, this is even in the 2012 or 2013 interview that was around a bit before or after RtN came out. Kishi has his general idea of what would happen and is just giving it a form he feels best accomplishes it, but at this point even if it means going against some preexisting criteria such as madara just breaking so many rules at once with inserting kakashis sharigan to use kamui instantly and making him use sussano with no eyes, making obito live this long after both the rinne tensei, losing the gedo statue, and having black zetsu removed, there are just combined deals at this point some events will occur against preexisting canon that either make exceptions or just because the guy is so powerful he can withstand it. I mean Obito transferred yin kurama out of black zetsu, shouldnt black zetsu have died? Is it because he is an articfal human, just a manifestation of will? Whatever the case, even obito himself should be dead just with the additional transfers of the poritions of the 1 and 8 tails but he is still around. The deal is, kishi will ignore some stuff for the setting and rules of his universe when it comes to the story and need to move it along. Otherwise he has not gone full crazy in the mentality of any characters. He has not made Naruto give up, he has not made sakura go back to a fangirl, he has not made sasuke some guy who sees all he did wrong and suddenly will return sakuras feelings, he wont go doing this even in one fell swoop.

 

My point is even if the ending was long seen out and planned ahead, he has an idea of what he is doing as best as he can and I wouldnt call it outright messing around in anycase if some of these events like again, 631 have purpose and other deals rooted in the past long before this kagyua incident occurred. There are millions of ways to write a story but when the one way goes far enough, you get a fair idea of what the author is doing. I don't see it as trolling or messing around, if he planned to have sasuke seperated and made sakura and obito save him, this is his choice but also we didn't see exactly sasukes reaction to sakura beyond the staredown, we can only interpret so much until kishi reveals what he intends next, but where we can only predict like 1 to 3 chapters perhaps ahead, he knows where the next 10+ chapters will go. So if this is planned out, all in all, the next chapter can be anything focused immediately following this with sasuke thanking her to even possibly not thanking her at all, otherwise it could just be the 3 of them warp back to the ice world and continue to fight her leaving no notion on this event until later. But for all purposes, I wouldnt go calling kishi a screwup or a troll when there is much more reason to some of this stuff that was given reason and anchorage in the past. Is he messing with the pairings? If he was, this whole romance subplot would be 3 times more complicated involving Ino, Lee, and more while addressing them more as well but it doesn't. Kishi has been straightforward in some stuff but for like last year, people reacted hostily to 631, that was 2013, chapter 504 was in 2010, kishi had planned for some reveal event like this at least 3 years in advance, people who didn't get sakura like kushina even given the limited background for the time, well that was their fault for it when it was an otherwise incredibly obvious clue. Other stuff like this which occurs without being seen with much ground in precursors though, its more on the what came before and again, people need to see the bigger picture and whats come before, its not going to suddenly turn around to become the ideal thing they wanted for so long, I mean in this case, what does SS have before this event, a lot of negativity. Its something that obviously bothered sakura, her reaction to this is something in question on being unsure, maybe she will be happy otherwise it may be more negativity, in one part yes we need to see what happens next but SS resolution before NS canon doesn't need to be all based on negativity

 

In some cases, this could even be part of sakura getting over sasuke or just getting confirmation for herself in regards to him, if she needs an answer from his view being either deadweight, an asset, or a comrade. Does it mean full blown SS, no, but its something in all reason sakura could need for her own views as well, the negativity and putdowns from sasuke as sad as they are, have their purpose. Just like how some fans were mocking sakura as a bad character because of this, they didnt honestly expect sakura to be standing around for a while doing nothing did they? I even said that sakura could get some role to indirectly aid in the fight, not all fighting is done by punching and shooting energy out, and look here, I said this weeks ago, many like me who thought of this were right about sakura getting that indirect combat support role, she was around for a reason and even now its not just for some sasuke approval she needs herself, there are other reasons too, I mean the whole sakura-rin parallel may not be far off but even in the same chapter, kinda like how 680 was a huge anti-SS one with sasuke letting them fall and admitting he didnt save them on purpose, I doubt its only 5 chapters later going to be a full turnaround even when like I said before, how 631 had an anchorage to 504 which occurred years before, sakuras mistrust or whatever negative/uneasy views of sasuke wont just vanish all at once even when in both real time and manga time, after events like the land of iron with 484 and seeing her somber looks from 540 way back then, it was a notion that not everything was right with SS, it is still that way after again seeing 635 and the recent stuff, its a deal that this most likely wont go away all at once and just be I forgive you like it was nothing.

 

In the end, my view is that kishi isn't messing around or trolling and constantly messing with his whole fanbase at large when some of this stuff is grounded in the past and recently brought forward or even derived from the events in the past, I mean even that deal we liked today with obito mentioning to sakura about helping naruto on his path, this fits right in with what kakashi said 30 chapters before, we can even consider it something closer to 663 with her wanting him to be hokage or trying to throw this into how kushina helped minato become hokage as itachi (and minato himself) said, along with everyone else, but we can even say that is kishi trying to signal sakura out as the one who will help naruto become hokage? Maybe but if this is what happened this is something he left to intend and just made small notions of it around the series since then. I mean this is a series for younger boys as the target audience, its made enough so that they can see what is coming, any fan could link 504 and 631, its an example like that which can be a simple hint, but some fans go insane and well, you know the results of how some of these events turn out, no need to mention that.

 

its just in the end, I am convinced kishi is not actively trolling or messing with the pairing fanbases like other series do such as the avatar creators, especially when some events have been grounded in the story long before and come back with forms of being built upon or otherwise portrayed constantly in the methods that it would otherwise propose a trail to one character or another, not something that suddenly turns around to idealism or makes another (like sasuke) suddenly realize their errors and start treating them better. I mean can sasuke thank sakura and have a bit of a better view of her, yes, but not outright to the way some fans or how younger sakura herself wanted, especially at this point with again, other notions and hints on another pairing like NS still lurking around, even when that pairing, NS still holds much more ground than SS. I don't believe kishi is a troll or actively messing up, when a good majority of this stuff is made weeks and months and sometimes brought back from years before.

[六道仙人]

lol to sakura as go-go dancer

 

seriously, i am more convinced that the big announcement will be "The manga will end at chapter 700".

[Hanabi]

True though battle damage is increased. Lol.

game logic indicates otherwise

Edited by Hanabi, 15 July 2014 - 03:22 PM.

[Gojira]

Allow me to explain the final chapter for those who still are paranoid.

 

It was supposed to look like a fake-out, making it seem like they failed in bringing Sasuke back only he made it in time with his teleportation, him catching her was used to give him a dramatic entrance, the eye glance was just to establish that "good we didn't fail after all"

 

It doesn't really matter NS is endgame and has plot armor while SS has been personally killed off by Kakashi. They can have Gaara catch Sakura in the same manner and it would be just as likely to happen at this point.

 

675 establishes that Sakura is over Sasuke, 469 establishes that she acknowledges that she chose Naruto over Sasuke. Keeping a half-conscious woman from hitting thr ground doesn't suddenly turn Sasuke into a chivalrist. She was useful to him so he retruned the favor (same thing with when he saved her back in 632, he was impressed by her and saw her useful so he kept her from getting killed same deal)

Edited by Pepsi, 15 July 2014 - 03:25 PM.

[luffyq1]

I hate SS with everything I can muster. But I gotta admit, that last panel where Sasuke was holding Sakura and the look they gave each other was pretty damn hawt.

 

Kishi should do some hentai after he's done with Naruto.

Edited by luffyq1, 15 July 2014 - 03:22 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

lol to sakura as go-go dancer
 
seriously, i am more convinced that the big announcement will be "The manga will end at chapter 700".

What? That's odd. You would go abridged kai on that one to wrap this up.

Naruto: You're back!
Sasuke: Yes!
Seals Kaguya
Naruto: Now we fight'
3 chapters later
Sasuke: Well, that was shorter than Aizen hyped up final battle.
Sakura: Now I just love Naruto.
Kakashi: I still don't have a better eye.

Plays Naruto first theme song.

End.

[TacticalFox88]

Sorry peeps, it was a SS moment, no matter how much you don't like it. Let's not start being in denial, like the ones in the fandom

[Sakura~]

I hate SS with everything I can muster. But I gotta admit, that last panel where Sasuke was holding Sakura and the look they gave each other was pretty damn hawt.
 
Kishi should do some hentai after he's done with Naruto.

Ikr? It was very hot tbh.

[六道仙人]

Sorry peeps, it was a SS moment, no matter how much you don't like it. Let's not start being in denial, like the ones in the fandom

 

yeah but it wasn't romantic...

[dejavu]

 

It all makes sense. This is going to be Naruto's birthday present.

 

naah... Sakura doesn't use tools, just bare hands.

 

should be this..

 

 

or this..another version

 

Now now don't go and give SS any ideas they would probably connect that with Sakura leaving Naruto for Sasuke bc the vest was burned and had the Uzumaki symbol on it  I can already see them saying this 

 

 

Next chapter should wrap it up..

I just love seeing the possibility that this Uchiha will give Sakura some credit she deserves.

 

Sakura will now feel a bit satisfied about it and we can finally move on from this chapter called SS and move on to the real thing next.

Edited by dejavu, 15 July 2014 - 03:31 PM.

[rocci]

lol to sakura as go-go dancer
 
seriously, i am more convinced that the big announcement will be "The manga will end at chapter 700".

If that really happen, then no narusasu final battle. I will be dissapoint though, this's shaman king all over again.

[Gojira]

Sorry peeps, it was a SS moment, no matter how much you don't like it. Let's not start being in denial, like the ones in the fandom

In the same way that Kakashi keeping Sakura from getting melted was a KakashixSakura moment I guess. 

[RamenBlossom]

lol to sakura as go-go dancer

 

seriously, i am more convinced that the big announcement will be "The manga will end at chapter 700".

I feel like the chapters would have to be EXTREMELY long for that to happen. 

[James S Cassidy]

What? That's odd. You would go abridged kai on that one to wrap this up.

Naruto: You're back!
Sasuke: Yes!
Seals Kaguya
Naruto: Now we fight'
3 chapters later
Sasuke: Well, that was shorter than Aizen hyped up final battle.
Sakura: Now I just love Naruto.
Kakashi: I still don't have a better eye.

Plays Naruto first theme song.

End.

WE ARE FIGHTING DREAMAHS..blah blah blah blah blah blah blah...FIGHTING DREAMAHS

[natalieuciha]

lol will anyone believe me if i say that i saw ss fans using the panel with obito saying ''even if stumbles,you want to help him'' as he was reffering about sasuke?..so what is the truth here

[Gojira]

When does the raw come out?

[六道仙人]

lol will anyone believe me if i say that i saw ss fans using the panel with obito saying ''even if stumbles,you want to help him'' as he was reffering about sasuke?..so what is the truth here

 

the truth that they're drunken... He was obviously talking about Naruto.... he was referencing to kakashi's words some chapters ago...

 

http://www.mangapand...m/naruto/683/19 THIS

Edited by 六道仙人, 15 July 2014 - 03:36 PM.

[Inferno180]

As far as anything else goes, everything is fine and there really isnt anything to fret over when one event doesn't solve anything, even then I still remain doubtful of SS, moment or not, definately not given any romance (and sasuke wont go to this anytime soon).

 

The real deal I say for our fandom is we just want to see what kishi does to make Sakura move towards naruto with all these events, I mean we knew for years the series would end with her at least being friends with sasuke. I have my views on how kishi handles his writing, but as I said before, I sense he has planned most of this out and has an idea on what he is doing for the arch-deal, just getting there slowly but again, its doubtful things would just go ideal for SS when Sasuke himself is the other factor never needing this in the first place otherwise when yes there is plenty of NS stuff that has been built over the years and even hinted more recently in the past year. All i can say though is that deal of "turning to naruto" is really all our fandom is concerned with, the events so far didn't exactly devaule the other moments did they? Even if they were not as seen with as much emphasis as the main stuff naruto sees sasuke with? This event today in no way is a screwup or a devaluing of the NS stuff, for all we know this ironically could become something for NS in the end if its just part of this deal for sakura moving past sasuke as we hope. I mean next chapter could be unmentioned with this, just having the 3 come back or sasuke having a range of reactions from a simple thank you to nothing or even more negativity (though I doubt this would occur). But I doubt kishi would do anything to the extreme when there is already a lot saying otherwise such as yes, 631 and 663 and just a longer constant background of development. Nothing to the point of sakura going back to how she once was or sasuke just returning all the feelings. This is the deal I make from it.

[Gojira]

Sasuke swapped places with Sakura's jacket. It really wouldn't make sense for him not to appear behind her.