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[Otaru]

Except that no, not every bad person is like that. Some bad peopl had GOOD parents and GOOD childhoods and something inside them was just wrong since the moment they were born or just went wrong. Nothing happened, THEY happened to the world. The fact that kishi has to make everyone a victim of someone or something is naive.

He might be trying to write an ending like that, but it's disappointing and illogical.


Sasuke dos not be a pass because he's broken, or rather he SHOULDN'T get one.

 

Well you may be right, or I may be.

It's true some people seem to be bad without reasons, but maybe those reasons are hidden and we don't see it.

I understand what you want to say, but I think that Kishi believes this for real. He seems to see bad persons like that since he's portraying them with this same type of past over and over. Maybe it's naive... I don't know, but I tend to see it like he seems to see it.

To me his view is more wise than naive, because I think every baby born is innocent and pure, and that if babies happen to become bad persons, it's because of the environment, the people around them, the society, or some influences they encounter in life.

 

In reality, it's a very complex thing to analyse, but I really think like that.

Edited by Otaru, 11 June 2014 - 03:49 PM.

[FireFox]

All I know is, I am happy today, to see such a devastating blow upon SS, its just, left me speechless, even sasuke himself brought it out, its just I dont know how long SS fans will keep this up but my god tumblr was aflame today with rants here and there. Some people believe Sasuke still loves her, well now SS I can say for certain, is dead. It only hurts them more when Sakura thanks naruto, this was not even a NaruSaku moment, my god this is just hilarious.

I don't know for how long they will keep up but they are pulling some serious mental gymnastic that much i can tell you . I mean for the love of god  they turned a pro NaruSasu moment into a pro SS one how does one do that in the first place ? They are morons i swear to god all of them are bunch of morons i think my braincells just died from watching their kitten all over the place . Someone should explain them the fact that Sasuke's body wasn't moving on its own and didn't bother to save them means he didn't give a kitten about them only about Naruto and Naruto making that comparison was meant to tell him that its because he cares about them his body moves on its own just like Sasuke's at that time moved for him  but no its a pro SS moment every moment its a pro SS moment for them    Idiots I swear they are freaking idiots        .

[narusaku256]

 
Kishi choose the headband because it makes them appear vulnerable to the lava.
That's why he didn't just make a rock fall down.
When it's something that belongs to you, you appear more involved in the risk of death.
Don't you feel bad while looking at Kakashi and Sakura hanged over the lava ? When Sakura's headband is falling, it's even more bad. It's frightening.
I think Kishi wants the reader to fear for the characters.
Obito is just hanged by one small kunai in his hand, and Kakashi is attached to a very weak system of one kunai and one scroll of paper. All that above lava. LOL

You do have a point. But I ask you one question. Why Sakura's FOREHEAD protector? Why not Kakashi's? Get my point ?

[Tsuki Hoshino]

Well you may be right, or I may be.
It's true some people seem to be bad without reasons, but maybe those reasons are hidden and we don't see it.
I understand what you want to say, but I think that Kishi believes this for real. He seems to see bad persons like that since he's portraying them with this same type of past over and over. Maybe it's naive... I don't know, but I tend to see it like he seems to see it.
To me his view is more wise than naive, because I think every baby born is innocent and pure, and that if babies happen to become bad persons, it's because of the environment, the people around them, the society, or some influences they encounter in life.
 
In reality, it's a very complex thing to analyse, but I really think like that.

Except that there are documented cases of serial killers who had normal childhoods, and still went bad. We have word of mouth Testimony from such people that nothing in particular happened to make them want to commit murder and crimes, they just WANTED to do it so they did.

Some people are just born with a natural inclination to be bad. Whether they choose to do right or wrong is up to them. Some people do not have guilt for what they do, they aren't capable of it and that's what allows them to be evil.

Sasuke wasn't born bad, but he CHOSES to do bad things and not be bothered by the damage he causes. The people around him are expendable unless he needs them, isn't that considered the hallmark of a bad person?

[Otaru]

You do have a point. But I ask you one question. Why Sakura's FOREHEAD protector? Why not Kakashi's? Get my point ?

 

I don't know. She was the one bowing down her head, maybe that's why.

Anyway, I think Kishi is setting up Sakura.

 

 

 

Except that there are documented cases of serial killers who had normal childhoods, and still went bad. We have word of mouth Testimony from such people that nothing in particular happened to make them want to commit murder and crimes, they just WANTED to do it so they did.

Some people are just born with a natural inclination to be bad. Whether they choose to do right or wrong is up to them. Some people do not have guilt for what they do, they aren't capable of it and that's what allows them to be evil.

Sasuke wasn't born bad, but he CHOSES to do bad things and not be bothered by the damage he causes. The people around him are expendable unless he needs them, isn't that considered the hallmark of a bad person?

 

 

Again, I understand what you want to say, but I stick to my position. Even if there are documented cases of serial killers with normal childhood (apparently) it doesn't prove it was the exact truth, and it doesn't explain what happened in their head when they were younger. Maybe something hurt them and nobody saw it.

There is a lot of bad influence in this world, and even if you are born in a good family, you can go on the internet and see horrible things that can mark you. Some children are weaker or more sensitive than the others, they need more attention, and some parents failed to see it. Some people are more touched by this rotten society we live in, and it affects them. And they become rotten adults because they constructed themselves with an environment that hurt them. It's not a natural inclination to be bad. It's a weakness. An extreme sensitivity.

 

I think it's a very complicated philosophy subject, and we could argue about it hours and hours.
Anyway, that's a piece of my view.

Edited by Otaru, 11 June 2014 - 04:17 PM.

[MoonStar]

Let me ease the palpable tension by showing you this.

 

[Nate River]

I have to wonder why people are complaining about Sakura and Kakashi being there. Last time I knew, they were there because they were ready to fight Madara (you know, the were speaking about teamwork and they did have the potential to work together). Now, not only do they get surprised with a twist of events in Kaguya taking over, but they were teleported into the volcano. I mean really, they aren't there because they said "Hey, let's take this battle to the volcano Kaguya", they are there because they were freaking teleported before they had any chance to escape or even realize that Kaguya could pull something like that.

Speaking of Kaguya, I was hoping, and still am, for something that makes sense of her motives. Normally, I wouldn't push for an expository chapter, but she desperately needs it. Kishi needs to give us something that would allow the audience to at least care about her and also to make sense of motives that are amorphous and confusing as hell.

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@tekopi
Naruto is a dramatic battle manga. It has more drama even in action.
It doesn't use the boss, mini boss, and henchmen system like onepiece, bleach, or fairytail.

@james
Sakura IS one of the main character and the heroine but not the lead and title character(naruto) or focus character(sasuke).

@chatte
Naruto get his real fight in pain arc.

I believe people expect sakura to become equal with narusasu.

[Zoey]

People say (not here ) that Sasuke cares deep down, than in the future he'll show it. Ok might be true but it doesn't change the fact that he was willing to let them die now! If Kishi is putting emphasis in how Sasuke doesn't care, whats he's end game, i wonder? Sakuke will either die (doubtful) or some what redeem himself but at this point wouldn't it be to little to late? 

[Tsuki Hoshino]

I don't know. She was the one bowing down her head, maybe that's why.
Anyway, I think Kishi is setting up Sakura.
 
 
 

 
 
Again, I understand what you want to say, but I stick to my position. Even if there are documented cases of serial killers with normal childhood (apparently) it doesn't prove it was the exact truth, and it doesn't explain what happened in their head when they were younger. Maybe something hurt them and nobody saw it.
There is a lot of bad influence in this world, and even if you are born in a good family, you can go on the internet and see horrible things that can mark you. Some children are weaker or more sensitive than the others, they need more attention, and some parents failed to see it. Some people are more touched by this rotten society we live in, and it affects them. And they become rotten adults because they constructed themselves with an environment that hurt them. It's not a natural inclination to be bad. It's a weakness. An extreme sensitivity.
 
I think it's a very complicated philosophy subject, and we could argue about it hours and hours.
Anyway, that's a piece of my view.

You're entitled to your opinion but studies and statistics don't lie. Psychopathy is 60% heritable and there's a Long list of killers with normal lives until they started killing.

[TacticalFox88]

Speaking of Kaguya, I was hoping, and still am, for something that makes sense of her motives. Normally, I wouldn't push for an expository chapter, but she desperately needs it. Kishi needs to give us something that would allow the audience to at least care about her and also to make sense of motives that are amorphous and confusing as hell.

I'm gonna be that guy and says no. This manga has been a trainwreck and I just want NS to happen and it to be put out of its misery. 

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Speaking of Kaguya, I was hoping, and still am, for something that makes sense of her motives. Normally, I wouldn't push for an expository chapter, but she desperately needs it. Kishi needs to give us something that would allow the audience to at least care about her and also to make sense of motives that are amorphous and confusing as hell.

I'm getting the glimpse that Hagoromo give chakra to the people without her consent and she wants to take that chakra back.
I'm getting this resolution, but in the end Hagoromo is to be blame unless if it's shown that he gave chakra to the people after he defeated Kaguya.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 11 June 2014 - 04:43 PM.

[narusaku256]

 
I don't know. She was the one bowing down her head, maybe that's why.
Anyway, I think Kishi is setting up Sakura.

There you go

[Shadow1275]

 

I don't know. She was the one bowing down her head, maybe that's why.

Anyway, I think Kishi is setting up Sakura.

Idk, I hope he is but there hav been plenty of other times where he has set her up to do something awesome and then has quickly forced her back into the background.

[luffyq1]

 

You tell 'em, Sakura. Take your boring ass god-like powers to the valley of the end while I deal with Kaguya.

Edited by luffyq1, 11 June 2014 - 04:58 PM.

[tekopi]

@tekopi
Naruto is a dramatic battle manga. It has more drama even in action.
It doesn't use the boss, mini boss, and henchmen system like onepiece, bleach, or fairytail.

 

 

And that is why I said that I feel like reading a novel for the overflowing with drama part. Agreed that Kishi don't use the bad guy system like the others. And that makes it 'different' from the usual context. Another thing different, as I mention is how Kishi is going to take out his character to a full circle. His 'how' system came into a package with how long it takes. This is the part that make most people to get an itch, everytime it occurs.

 

In a way, I thing it is refreshing and entertaining.

Edited by tekopi, 11 June 2014 - 05:03 PM.

[Otaru]

You're entitled to your opinion but studies and statistics don't lie. Psychopathy is 60% heritable and there's a Long list of killers with normal lives until they started killing.

 

I don't believe in all those so called studies or statistics. To me, it only serves big pharma and laboratories lobbies.

Psychopathy is a health problem.

It doesn't make you a bad person.

 

 

But well, I'll stop arguing there because it will be endless =)

[Nostradamus]

This whole thing is wasted, Sasuke might be an a-hole now like you said, although the a-thing was you adding and giving another meaning to what he said.
The problem lies on the fact that Sasuke will no longer be this guy after the fight with Naruto, so building up development or whatever around this whole thing is bs to me.
I'm not trying to imply that Sasuke will like Sakura or that something else, i just think that thise whole issue around Sasuke not caring about Sakura makes no sense since he will care for Naruto, Sakura, Kakashis friends later on.
In short makes no sense to focus on Sasuke not caring for his "friends" when he will care for them later.

The thing is after this new enemy is dealt with, Sasuke will turn against Naruto. And when he'll get the fight between Naruto and Sasuke, we will also get moments that show Sasuke does care about Team Dysfunctional. So like you said focusing on Sasuke not caring about Team Dysfunctional right now makes no sense since we'll see him caring about them later on. And it bugs me, it's annoying.

 

It doesn't work that way Sakura was thanking to everything that Naruto has said she didn't separate out the part were you think that he was agreeing with Sasuke that she was useless , furthermore if Naruto was even semi agreeing with Sasuke Sakura wouldn't have said "Sasuke is right" but instead it would have been "both Sasuke and Naruto are right" and if Naruto was semi agreeing in here she wouldn't have tanked him for saying what he said because its ridiculous to thank him for still caring yet at the same time agreeing that she is useless it doesn't make any sense at all .  

 

As for the panels yeah they were wasted more or less but i'm not gonna complain to me every ASS chapter is a good chapter what can i say i'm a true ASS LOL XD 

Anyway those panels are completely wasted. I mean seriously what is this the fifth chapter in a row that shows us that Sasuke doesn't care and Sakura realizing that Sasuke doesn't care. Why? I know the Naruto fandom isn't particularly smart but does Kishimoto need to remind us again and again?

We didn't we get some info on Kaguya, her motivations, what she actually wants, why she's like this. You know anything. But instead we get information we already got in the previous chapters.

 

I have to wonder why people are complaining about Sakura and Kakashi being there. Last time I knew, they were there because they were ready to fight Madara (you know, the were speaking about teamwork and they did have the potential to work together). Now, not only do they get surprised with a twist of events in Kaguya taking over, but they were teleported into the volcano. I mean really, they aren't there because they said "Hey, let's take this battle to the volcano Kaguya", they are there because they were freaking teleported before they had any chance to escape or even realize that Kaguya could pull something like that.

Personally I don't care about Kakashi. However considering everything that's going on and the way it was portrayed. It looked like Sakura was going to play a part in the fight, and there's a good chance that will happen. However in this chapter he get the same thing we got in the previous chapters, see above what I mean. And that's really annoying.

Edited by Nostradamus, 11 June 2014 - 05:08 PM.

[Gojira]

Uh oh my OCD is acting up again, I keep focusing on the negatives and not the positives.