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[FireFox]

 

I think you are completely misunderstanding what I was saying. I was not trying to make excuses for Sasuke's behavior, or in any way make how he acted okay. I only meant to explain that there was a reason for the way he acted, no more and no less. And please, don't, just don't even try to make this personal -- I happen to have a pretty good idea of exactly what it's like to be treated like crap so don't you even go there. 

 

I'm not even going to bother with the rest because it's clear this is not going to go anywhere and that you'll only end up putting words in my mouth that I never said.

I'm so sorry if i offended you that wasn't my intention , but like i said i'm done with all of this SS bs so sorry for everything . 

[Zatheko]

Even though Sasuke actually had his moments in part 1, IMO, the things he did in part 2 towards them should in itself kill SasuSaku.

 

I really really can not see a good reason to put Sasuke and Sakura together after everything, he has shown ZERO signs of wanting anything romantic with her either in part 1 or part 2 (especially not in part 2).

 

So when people say it's not dead yet can you really tell me how Kishi can go and put Sasuke and Sakura together and at the same time have her reject Naruto's feelings even though he has been there this whole time? I don't see how an ending like this can happen, IMO this ship is dead UNLESS Kishi is willing to create the worst possible ending AND pairing in Manga history.

[FireFox]

Does anyone know whether 666 will come in Tuesday or will it be at the usual time  i don't know if that has already been said in here.

Edited by NarutoFireFoxUzumaki, 23 February 2014 - 08:54 PM.

[BakeNeko-Chan]

Even though Sasuke actually had his moments in part 1, IMO, the things he did in part 2 towards them should in itself kill SasuSaku.

 

I really really can not see a good reason to put Sasuke and Sakura together after everything, he has shown ZERO signs of wanting anything romantic with her either in part 1 or part 2 (especially not in part 2).

 

So when people say it's not dead yet can you really tell me how Kishi can go and put Sasuke and Sakura together and at the same time have her reject Naruto's feelings even though he has been there this whole time? I don't see how an ending like this can happen, IMO this ship is dead UNLESS Kishi is willing to create the worst possible ending AND pairing in Manga history.

 

The only reason I say SS is not "dead" yet is because Sakura's feelings have not been resolved and in that way, Kishi has kept the pairing "alive", so to speak. There isn't any tangible evidence or build up for a romantic relationship with Sasuke and Sakura, but SS and the conflict it presents for Sakura still has a role to play, at least until Kishi says otherwise. Sasuke's actions in part one definitely haven't helped back up the possibility of an SS ending, but it's Sakura's growth as a character and her development with Naruto that has had a greater influence in diminishing SasuSaku's credibility, in my opinion.

[BakeNeko-Chan]

I'm so sorry if i offended you that wasn't my intention , but like i said i'm done with all of this SS bs so sorry for everything . 

 

It's okay.

[melovechoco]

 Already made that joke.

Oh...okay then.

[ramenanmitsu]

Glad you do understand the SS part .   
 
When did I in any of my posts said anything about his redemption please tell me ? It was you who tried do defend him from me saying he was an ASS i don't care for his redemption cus i know it's gonna happen whether i like it or not , what i do have problem with is almost everyone here give saint Sasuke a free pass for everything he did or make excuses for him just because kitten happen to him , just like so many others characters in this series but do they get the Sasuke treatment NO they are called on their BS even Minato is more bashed in here and for totally idiotic reasons . But what ever i'm done with this .

Sigh...it seems like the mere mention of Sasuke's name makes both you and James heat up that you two won't even try to listen to what people are saying and irrationally jump into conclusions.

My post about redemption was pointed towards your statement of the negativity of SS. He is going to be given a free pass from the author, from Naruto, and from Sakura. So negativity isn't really going to work against SS, because he's going to restore his relationships. Go and look back at the posts. NOBODY in here said that he was a saint or gave him a free pass. Everybody here admits that he became dark in part two. You are the only one putting words in people's mouth, and going on a blind rampage towards people shouting out things that has NOTHING to do with the discussion.

I'm not going to discuss this with you anymore because you dont seem to care about the discussion itself, and you will keep repeating emotionally and passionately how bad Sasuke is, which isn't the point of the discussion.

P.s. I view SS differently from you so I do not understand SS the way you do. So no, I don't understand the SS part.

Edited by ramenanmitsu, 23 February 2014 - 11:36 PM.

[Otaru]

Can I ask, why are we even looking at part 1 Sasuke in the first place? It's has no correlation to how Sasuke is now and honestly, it is pointless. Sure, he wasn't as much of a jerkass to her in part one, but he was still a jerk to her from time to time and has gotten worse between then and now. The fact that people hold on to this view point of the characters in Part 1, is the very reason why people think there is no such thing as development in this manga.

Really, tell me how does looking at Part 1 Sasuke help determine anything at this point?

Further more, it is really hard for me to believe that Sasuke cherished his friends as anything more than a means to a goal. If he cherished them that much, then he wouldn't have left the village or did what he had done. I just have a hard time accepting anything else because of how he is now. If it was a reverse, then maybe I can understand, but now he literally tells them "I don't care." We even have Kishimoto who admits Sasuke was always in it for himself. Not good nor evil. That tells me that he doesn't really care UNLESS it gets him what he wants.

This is why it was so easy for him to leave the village. I am starting to wonder if even those "bonds" exist.

I think the Doctor said it best.
"You let one of them go but that's nothing new. Every now and then a little victim's spared because she smiled, 'cause he's got freckles. 'Cause they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions. Because once in awhile—on a whim, if the wind's in the right direction—you happen to be kind."

 

I think the past is of very importance on the contrary.

Kishimoto placed all this things together since the beginning for a reason.

 

About Sasuke, he wanted us to see how he could be "normally".

This was a set up before the cursed from Orochimaru.

If Kishi hasn't do that, then the fans would never want Sasuke to come back to his former friends.

 

Sasuke was meant to have BONDS with Naruto and Sakura, and he will RETURN to those BONDS.

I'm sure of it.

It's a shonen.

It's a story with so much hope messages.

 

Kishimoto will never end this on a dark taste. Never.

Sasuke will come back to his former friends.

His former friends that never stopped to be his friends.

Sakura couldn't kill him because of that. Naruto still believes in him.

 

It's obvious the end will be like the beginning.

[Toasty Warrior]

I know of a good book Minato could read while the others are fighting:

 

[melovechoco]

I know of a good book Minato could read while the others are fighting:
 

Good recommendation.

[Dkey]

I know of a good book Minato could read while the others are fighting:

 

how will he flip pages

[melovechoco]

how will he flip pages

telekinesis?

Edited by melovechoco, 24 February 2014 - 01:24 PM.

[harry4e]

Would 666 have any meaning to Kishimoto?

 

You mean apart from it being the name of his twin brothers Manga?

 

OK I'm going to go out on a Limb here and say I don't think in the first part of the Manga, Sakura loved Sasuke, Naruto did not love Sakura, and Hinata didn't love Naruto. All three of them loved the idea of the other person. The didn't know the other person well enough to really consider it real love. Sakura loved the idea of Sasuke, she saw a cool alpha male type from a prestigious Clan who was lost his family and lived on his own.The complete opposite of what Sakura was, a regular unpopular girl who got teased by other girls and had a regular family that didn't belong to any famous Clan. Sasuke was basically what she hoped to be.

 

The situation is similar with Hinata, she saw in Naruto a person who even though he hardly ever got any help and failed constantly would still get up and keep on trying and be determined to get better,and not get disheartened by all the knockdowns. Where she on the other hand got all the training in the world yet gave in to her failures and was disheartened by the knockdowns. So again he was everything she hoped she could be.

 

Naruto with Sakura is the only different one, where he likes her because of who she is, But he is attracted to her for her looks, (maybe personality if he took after his father who got attracted to a strong willed violent person).

 

After the timeskip, Sakura went from wanting to be him to wanting to save him,  Hinata's goal was still the same, she's improved allot, but she has still failed to hold a conversation with him. it's Sakura's and Naruto's relationship that changed the most, they got to know each other better, saw the other person as their equal and encouraged each other....and is the only pairing I'd say where the feelings they have for the other is ACTUALLY for the other person and not the idea of what the other person is. That's not Love, that's infactuation and Admiration.

Edited by harry4e, 24 February 2014 - 05:38 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Pumped for Wednesday! Going out today. See ya!

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Now i noticed it.
http://i998.mangarea...uto-4804317.jpg

Minato had senjutsu wtf.
Why he asked Naruto to put senjutsu in that giant rasengan earlier if he could do the same too......

Kubo must have taken control of this manga srsly.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 24 February 2014 - 08:12 PM.

[Atheck]

Now i noticed it.
http://i998.mangarea...uto-4804317.jpg

Minato had senjutsu wtf.
Why he asked Naruto to put senjutsu in that giant rasengan earlier if he could do the same too......

Kubo must have taken control of this manga srsly.

 

It's been argued that Minato may not have been able to combine Kurama's power and his own sage powers because his bijuu partner never agreed to it like Yang Kurama did. I think it might be a valid explanation since it is true that Minato has had far less time to interact with his bijuu; which could make their line of communication a bit strained compared to Naruto's. 

 

Still, this whole mess has become a very contentious issue. I think most fans agree that what happened in #665 arose unexpectedly without warning (besides an ambiguous comment made by Fukasaku that has been beaten like a dead horse by proponents). 

[TyranntX]

how will he flip pages

 for get that! how will he hold the book? Or even pick it up?

[FireFox]

 

It's been argued that Minato may not have been able to combine Kurama's power and his own sage powers because his bijuu partner never agreed to it like Yang Kurama did. I think it might be a valid explanation since it is true that Minato has had far less time to interact with his bijuu; which could make their line of communication a bit strained compared to Naruto's. 

 

Still, this whole mess has become a very contentious issue. I think most fans agree that what happened in #665 arose unexpectedly without warning (besides an ambiguous comment made by Fukasaku that has been beaten like a dead horse by proponents). 

Minato not going into SM has nothing to do with Yin Kurama not agreeing with him since Kurama was already cooperative or he wouldn't have been able to go into BM if that was the case , and i don't think communication between them has anything to do with Minato being able to fuse BM with SM since its mixing chakras either you are able to do it or not and Minato doesn't have that ability but Naruto has imo. 

how will he flip pages

 for get that! how will he hold the book? Or even pick it up?

 

 He will do it with his feet like a BOSS   . 

Edited by NarutoFireFoxUzumaki, 24 February 2014 - 09:20 PM.

[Atheck]

Minato not going into SM has nothing to do with Yin Kurama not agreeing with him since Kurama was already cooperative or he wouldn't have been able to go into BM if that was the case , and i don't think communication between them has anything to do with Minato being able to fuse BM with SM since its mixing chakras either you are able to do it or not and Minato doesn't have that ability but Naruto has imo. 

 

If it's not because of a lack of consensus with his host then the root cause is probably ignorance on Yin Kurama's part. He's only been with Minato for how long? A few hours? It's likely that he's not all too familiar with working alongside him. That includes not being aware of all the abilities that Minato may have. Without prior knowledge of Minato's usage of Sage Mode, Yin Kurama would be completely in the dark and would have little reason to ask him if he's capable of senjutsu also (Naruto already had enough power to supply both of them at the time when senjutsu was important). Either way, my point still stands about the communication issue since Minato obviously isn't chummy with his bijuu like Naruto became with Yang Kurama. 

Edited by Atheck, 24 February 2014 - 09:49 PM.

[FireFox]

 

If it's not because of a lack of consensus with his host then the root cause is probably ignorance on Yin Kurama's part. He's only been with Minato for how long? A few hours? It's likely that he's not all too familiar with working alongside him. That includes not being aware of all the abilities that Minato may have. Without prior knowledge of Minato's usage of Sage Mode, Yin Kurama would be completely in the dark and would have little reason to ask him if he's capable of senjutsu also (Naruto already had enough power to supply both of them at the time when senjutsu was important). Either way, my point still stands about the communication issue since Minato obviously isn't chummy with his bijuu like Naruto became with Yang Kurama. 

Nope he has been with Minato for 17 years in the SF fighting or doing whatever not to mention that once he was also sealed in his wife so to think that he's not aware of his abilities i think is totally wrong , also if the Yang Kurama in Naruto  could tell that Naruto surpassed Minato and Kushina that means he's pretty much aware of his abilities and what he's capable of and this was the Kurama that has never been with Minato but within his wife so if Yang Kurama knew this i don't see any reason why Yin  wouldn't  .  Also nothing was stopping Minato to ask the Yin Kurama if he can do BSM after he saw Naruto doing it or for Yin Kurama to tell Minato about it if Minato was indeed able to do this , plus there was never shown to be a lack or trouble in their communication as you claim this to be the case on the contrary there communication was rather fine , this Kurama even cheered Minato up when he was feeling  low about himself he was very nice to him on the other hand the Yang Kurama within Naruto wasn't like that with Naruto actually Naruto had it harder in this department than Minato , and if the bijuu's have anything relevant to say they would they won't hold back  as it was shown many times so i think this lack of communication doesn't have base at all for why Minato isn't able to go BSM instead it has with Minato not being able to do it if he could Kishi would have showed that just like he did with Minato being able to go KCM and BM .