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#301 Sakamaki Izayoi

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Posted 22 January 2014 - 02:48 PM

I felt so excited when I saw the damn awesome Hiruzen. Oh mannnn the Japanese forums are sure gonna be crazy again over Hiruzen vs Hashirama.

And I hope this chapter has put an end to the belief that Sakura has very little chakra capacity. I mean she has been fighting the war, healing the alliance, healing Naruto, summoned Katsuyu, mass healed the alliance, and THEN used alll the same jutsu with Tsunade, a Senju woman who was fully restored by Karin, and STILL has some chakra left which Tsunade doesn't have. I'd say she's a chakra beast.

I disagree i call it convenience, this rule of chakra capacity has never been put into pratice into actual battles.
Naruto seemed to have a lot of chakra, as soon as he loses the kyuubi he had none left, Kushina however despite losing the kyuubi she had chakra to do stuff, Naruto hasnt any despite he was on Senju mode and wasnt using Kurama's chakra.
But no he had zero, so with that he's totally out of the scene only his body is there and cant interact with anyone.
Kishimoto showed Hinata because well she's satellite to him but made her stumble because that's not her role.
Tsunade suddenly wasnt capable to heal because she's not supposed to help Naruto because that's Sakura's job, Kishi made Sakura to have little chakra to heal to enter on despair mode.
The only downside of this moment is that Naruto is "fainted" again and probably wont be able to see Sakura's devotion towards him, it would break that barrier of him.

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Posted 22 January 2014 - 02:49 PM

Still I wouldn't to grieve the NH fandom even more but Gaara is bringing Naruto and Sakura far from where they are. The fact that Hinata has started before to run but then she tripped indicates the fact that she wanted to get close to them while they were moving away. Surely this's a symbolic thing. Naruto and Sakura are moving away from where the alliance is in. I think they're approaching the Gedou Mazou or Minato and Kakashi's place but still I don't know what has Kishi in the mind. Sakura is here for a reason, for sure... Hinata has just missed the train and she has even no medical abilities for Naruto so her presence would be only a useless stretching.

For Karin... it's true that she isn't at Sasuke place but let isn't forget the fact that Orochimaru said they should hurry after learning that Sasuke is on the verge of death. Ergo the Team Taka is coming into action.


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Posted 22 January 2014 - 02:51 PM

Still I wouldn't to grieve the NH fandom even more but Gaara is bringing Naruto and Sakura far from where they are. The fact that Hinata has started before to run but then she tripped indicates the fact that she wanted to get close to them while they were moving away. Surely this's a symbolic thing. Naruto and Sakura are moving away from where the alliance is in. I think they're approaching the Gedou Mazou or Minato and Kakashi's place but still I don't know what has Kishi in the mind. Sakura is here for a reason, for sure... Hinata has just missed the train and she has even no medical abilities for Naruto so her presence would be only a useless stretching.

Random joke : Hinata could use juuken on Naruto's heart to make it start beating once again.
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Posted 22 January 2014 - 02:54 PM

Well everyone I just had a headcanon thought:

 

We all know how we still think Minato may give dark kurama to naruto? Well I just thought of something:

 

Gaara is heading there with Naruto and our favorite pink haired ninja Sakura, if Gaara is really taking them to Minato do you realize what this means? More than likely it would result in a bit more Sakura and Minato interaction even if its minor. The headcanon moment I thought of, Minato seeing Sakura shedding tears over Naruto, it would be one way for Minato to know that there are people in the world who came to care for him, in this moment, Its wishful thinking but if Minato said something like I'm glad naruto has a friend who cares so much, or so, if in anyway Minato would make some statement to Sakura caring for Naruto seeing this display, it would be devastating on the other pairings. If Sakura and Minato meet again, then just imagine what could occur next chapter if the focus is on both naruto and sasuke but on narutos end we see minato happy naruto has someone caring like Sakura. If this occurred, it may be the 631 disaster all over again.



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Posted 22 January 2014 - 02:57 PM

what is headcanon?



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Posted 22 January 2014 - 02:58 PM

I wonder if spiral Zetsu was the actual Tobi. Not sure if Tobi had Obito inside of him only to let Zetsu do his silliness. Imagine Zetsu torturing someone.

 

My assumption was that something had happened to Spiral Zetsu and that Tobi decided to take on his personality not only to present a facade that would conceal his actual identity but to honour his memory as well. Out of all of Madara's subordinates, he seemed to develop the strongest bond with Spiral Zetsu. You can see how their relationship first started on uneasy ground but over time they grew to respect and rely on each other in the flashback chapters. He even seemed to develop a friendship of sorts with the Zetsu group.

 

I always thought that if Tobi was subconsciously looking for something to soothe the pain in his heart,  why couldn't Zetsu, specifically Spirally Zetsu, be that friend to turn to when he needed someone? Those interactions in Tobi's flashback really made me think that there was more to Zetsu than just a man-eating plant monster who acts as a scout and lackey for Akatsuki. 



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Posted 22 January 2014 - 02:59 PM

Just read the chapter and whoa that ending! And How do you guys think Sasuke will get saved? I thought he will use Izanagi or something.


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Posted 22 January 2014 - 03:00 PM

Well Naruto foreshadowed this moment at the bridge. If they both fought they would both die. That didnt mean each other.

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Posted 22 January 2014 - 03:04 PM

Kishi made an homage to the Movie "Elysium" in the double cover... he's an huge fans of moview for sure xD

I wondered what that was about. 

 

And that "7610" connection - I can see a spawn of mecha-Naruto fanfics from that one....

 

I liked the chapter — loooooved the last page illustration — but I still am holding back from the ship-ending/ship-winning declarations.

 

Hinata — *sigh* No matter what role she plays, I just get irritated that in the manga now, if Sakura shows up then so does Hinata. Remember when it wasn't like this? And Sakura could stand alone without have a secondary character balancing out every appearance she had?!

 

Karin — Although her feelings are touching, I just can't take her seriously. Especially when Sasuke is soooo serious and dark. But it looks like Kishimoto is sticking with their pairing (our resident SK shippers will be thrilled! :) ), even though it still feels a little weird and forced to me. 

 

Sakura — Oh! I love how she's holding everything together for Naruto's sake. But those welling tears in the final panel are so much more powerful to me than Karin's big streaming ones. She's scared. And as well she should be.

 

Coming chapters — So, while I'm buoyed by the NS moment, I have full faith in Kishimoto's ability to rip the rug out from underneath his audience and leaving us falling on our faces like.... Well, you get the picture! I think the potential for a true NS moment is there for the next chapter, but I just have a feeling Kishimoto is going to throw in a wrench somehow.

 

The only things confirmed by this chapter is that SK and NH are still very fully alive in the minds of the girls. And though I think SS has some basis in the manga, I don't know how it could still stand under this chapter. The split panel of Sakura/Karin is a pretty clear statement of Kishimoto's direction on those two pairings. 

 

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Posted 22 January 2014 - 03:04 PM

I disagree i call it convenience, this rule of chakra capacity has never been put into pratice into actual battles.Naruto seemed to have a lot of chakra, as soon as he loses the kyuubi he had none left, Kushina however despite losing the kyuubi she had chakra to do stuff, Naruto hasnt any despite he was on Senju mode and wasnt using Kurama's chakra.But no he had zero, so with that he's totally out of the scene only his body is there and cant interact with anyone.Kishimoto showed Hinata because well she's satellite to him but made her stumble because that's not her role.Tsunade suddenly wasnt capable to heal because she's not supposed to help Naruto because that's Sakura's job, Kishi made Sakura to have little chakra to heal to enter on despair mode.The only downside of this moment is that Naruto is "fainted" again and probably wont be able to see Sakura's devotion towards him, it would break that barrier of him.

Hmm? So are you saying that Sakura being able to battle the war, heal the alliance, restore Naruto, fight again, summon Katsuyu, mass heal the alliance, summon one tenth of Katsuyu along with Tsunade and heal the alliance again doesn't prove that she doesn't have a small chakra capacity? So you're saying feat proves nothing? I understand that Tsunade losing her chakra may be for convenience sake but that doesn't erase the fact that Sakura has accomplished incredibly chakra-consuming feats so far.

Kushina and Naruto's case is different because, Kushina wasn't battling in the war and giving out her chakra to the whole alliance when she got her Kyuubi got out. She was just giving child birth. Naruto has been the battery for the whole alliance.
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Posted 22 January 2014 - 03:06 PM

I won't lie...

When I saw the last page of Naruto and Sasuke I thought of an old Homer quote:

"Kids, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try,"

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Posted 22 January 2014 - 03:09 PM

Hmm? So are you saying that Sakura being able to battle the war, heal the alliance, restore Naruto, fight again, summon Katsuyu, mass heal the alliance, summon one tenth of Katsuyu along with Tsunade and heal the alliance again doesn't prove that she doesn't have a small chakra capacity? So you're saying feat proves nothing? I understand that Tsunade losing her chakra may be for convenience sake but that doesn't erase the fact that Sakura has accomplished incredibly chakra-consuming feats so far.

Kushina and Naruto's case is different because, Kushina wasn't battling in the war and giving out her chakra to the whole alliance when she got her Kyuubi got out. She was just giving child birth. Naruto has been the battery for the whole alliance.

No i'm not ignoring that i'm just pointing out that she got little chakra right when she was most needed to use it.
Until before it she was spawning her medical abilities everywhere.
But when her abilities were needed the most "heal Naruto" she had any because Kishi wanted to put Sakura on a despair.
The same with Tsunade, she was cut in half and later heals the kages and summon 1/10 katsuyu and everything was fine but until Naruto was presented she said "i cant heal anyone".
The last part she was shown healing was when she magically restored Shikamaru.

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Posted 22 January 2014 - 03:15 PM

No i'm not ignoring that i'm just pointing out that she got little chakra right when she was most needed to use it.Until before it she was spawning her medical abilities everywhere.But when her abilities were needed the most "heal Naruto" she had any because Kishi wanted to put Sakura on a despair.The same with Tsunade, she was cut in half and later heals the kages and summon 1/10 katsuyu and everything was fine but until Naruto was presented she said "i cant heal anyone".The last part she was shown healing was when she magically restored Shikamaru.

Ah I see. Yeah, I agree with you. There was definitely an ulterior motive on Kishi's side to let Shizune and Tsunade lose chakra.
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Posted 22 January 2014 - 03:16 PM

I don't want Sakura to use Chiyo's technique though..it would feel really weird. I think she will just prolong his life until they reach Minato(possibly).


 


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Posted 22 January 2014 - 03:17 PM

I don't want Sakura to use Chiyo's technique though..it would feel really weird. I think she will just prolong his life until they reach Minato(possibly).

if she uses she would die.
Naruto's heart stopped beating on the last page.

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Posted 22 January 2014 - 03:20 PM

Some people have said the Hinata stuff is important, maybe symbolic in someway to her, but in the overall ordeal its just how again infrequently kishi is using Hinata which makes her hard to figure out.

 

I mean not going by just 631, but as I said if Gaara is in fact taking them to Minato, if the current events lead to Sakura either having more feelings surface, have a remembrance of the chiyo stuff, result in more sakura and minato interaction in which he makes more of a reference to him being glad there are people like her who care for naruto, or something again minakushi related, then its just going to be harder to figure out.

 

I mean really if we want to count NS and NH like its been recently, then it would be like this:

 

There are things greatly hinting at NS such as naruto still loving sakura, the sakura kushina parallel, the development, sakura not trusting sasuke (this is not direct but it has a bit of meaning towards this in hindsight, mainly on Sakuras development) yet with stuff like today with NH just seemingly popping up, its like he just places her there but doesnt do anything with it, so its like you get a hint of where the NS stuff can go, I mean the Sakura kushina stuff is easily linked and refereed with the Kushina foreshadow+ background with Minato way back around 506 or 508 around there. This time we can see a possible comeback of what Chiyo told Sakura, one way the stuff of when a jinchurki has their tailed beast removed and her reaction to this news, the other how she said to risk her life for the ones important to her. Otherwise it could be this with more minato stuff. Really yes, Im not saying this as a NS fan, just from a basic standpoint as a longtime reader, these are just highly probable things that could happen mostly based off past dialogue and events. Stuff like the sakura minto interaction going again is also likely because if Gaara is heading there then well, I wouldnt be suprised if Minato asks her more about or at least gets her name.

 

But with NH, its like stuff is been done with Hinata, but kishi isnt exactly moving it anywhere, I mean he did bring the death of neji up but out of the stuff we have seen in 615, its been more of nejis death coming up again and again that actually lead to some stuff rather than the hand holding. If anything it seems that the big NH chapter, 615, the aspect of Neji's death is already making the hand holding less and less significant. Its all because the times HInata is used, she isnt going anywhere, I mean sadly this chapter in a lose term can be what kishi has done with HInata, just repeat Naruto-kun again and again like a broken record. Its been like this the majority of the time we saw her every now and then in 2013, at this point its like, really Im not concerned about NH as much, rather, I'm concerned for Hinata herself, just what is kishi doing with her? I mean if anything it seems like Hinata is just stagnated and standing still, really if in the coming chapters what could you see in the immediate future with her? I mean seriously, this is why im worried, its still true without Naruto, Hinata would no longer have any purpose but even then Kishi has still thrown more in with Naruto and Sakura together over Hinata in there. Even so he could have done the same thing as he could have done with 631, as Kishi could have foresaken the Minato stuff with Sakura or ignored the Sakura Kushina parallel, he could have made Hinata catch up and ride with Gaara and Sakura, but he didnt. Really if it comes to it in the next few chapters Sakura starts hinting some unforeseen feelings for Naruto and Hinata later gets notice of this, I wouldnt be suprised if NS goes on later and Hinata ends partly being happy for Naruto. I wouldnt because when you dont use a character much or leave enough to figure out where they will go, you dont expect as much out of them. This is why I really dont expect anything big from Hinata, she is there and will have an ending, but with less and hardly any interaction, I just dont see NH magically coming as some do.



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Posted 22 January 2014 - 03:21 PM

Random joke : Hinata could use juuken on Naruto's heart to make it start beating once again.

 

joke? Someone has really said that on NF :wallbash:


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Posted 22 January 2014 - 03:21 PM

A special thank you to useless pairing fodder character (Hinata) for appearing for no reason and then falling flat on your face to get a laugh from us... your ship must be sinking.

 

Otherwise, a pretty powerful chapter. How coincidental that the two strong guys happen to be dying at the same time


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Posted 22 January 2014 - 03:32 PM

Hinata — *sigh* No matter what role she plays, I just get irritated that in the manga now, if Sakura shows up then so does Hinata. Remember when it wasn't like this? And Sakura could stand alone without have a secondary character balancing out every appearance she had?!


It's pairing meat. I don't really care that he does this generally, but her inclusion here seems to be a lazy attempt to try to muddy any pairing message on the NS, but she falls and never makes it, so it's almost like what's the point? I'm expecting will see more next week. He's lazy about something, but not generally about this. He's not always so blatant about counterbalacing, so it's unfortunate.

Karin — Although her feelings are touching, I just can't take her seriously. Especially when Sasuke is soooo serious and dark. But it looks like Kishimoto is sticking with their pairing (our resident SK shippers will be thrilled! :) ), even though it still feels a little weird and forced to me.


I'm working hard to bite my tongue on this. She's generally been a hard character to take seriously, but I wrote her off entirely after the Sasuke reunion. To me she's the most poorly handled character in the entire series. There isn't a close second. Not even, "I don't know why he's there" Juugo or Danzou come close. There really isn't anything I can think of that Kishimoto that could revive her for me. So, this has zero impact on my opinion of her either way. Still, I keep saying, it's Orichumaru preventing anything, she's not folding into a groveling mess while Sasuke is laying there bleeding to death and she'll act when it's time. He's not gonna die, so I'm expecting this. So this is going to be, let's wait and see before dumping on her. And for me, it's not the tears, it's the curling up until a ball (a position of defenselessness) that comes across bad.

We also have to remember the massive amount of criticism Hinata has taken for just flying into face Pain. Just reckless charging in is not a smart move (and is definitely a desperate one). But yes....
 

Sakura — Oh! I love how she's holding everything together for Naruto's sake. But those welling tears in the final panel are so much more powerful to me than Karin's big streaming ones. She's scared. And as well she should be.


when she is put side by side with Sakura it has the effect (intentional or not) of making her look smaller in comparison. But Naruto is not standing in front of Madara or Zetsu while Karin would be completely exposed if she bolted out on her own.
 
 

The only things confirmed by this chapter is that SK and NH are still very fully alive in the minds of the girls. And though I think SS has some basis in the manga, I don't know how it could still stand under this chapter. The split panel of Sakura/Karin is a pretty clear statement of Kishimoto's direction on those two pairings. 
 
Edit: And as others have said, please no bashing.


Yeah, that was my read. It sucks to. Any happiness I felt for NS is consumed by my hatred of SK. Side by side, the best and worst developed pairings in the series. So, it was a wash for me.

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Posted 22 January 2014 - 03:37 PM

I felt so excited when I saw the damn awesome Hiruzen. Oh mannnn the Japanese forums are sure gonna be crazy again over Hiruzen vs Hashirama.

 

Wow, I didn't knnow the Japanese cared that much about the old man lol. But that said, this chapter really does show how the other Kages of Hiruzen's generation feared him and especially wary of picking a fight with him, even in old age. He and Oonoki were definitely the strongest from that generation. Speaking of Oonoki, I kinda wished he was shown tag-teaming with Hiruzen, and some bickering between them would've been funny too, since their personalities kinda clash (when they were younger).    


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