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[sushi.]

I revisited the chapter and he didnt picked up her body.

 

Anyway, i dont think he would revive her, it wont make up for his mistakes.

I remember he was in that dark cave with a pool of blood, when he held her there..but maybe I was wrong then. Too tired to check. ;p

an example would be like this http://vj87g.tumblr....age/65452299939

When you compare the aftermath of a death and casual daytalking..the context doesn't fit. But I can understand, this is the only moment they can compare it with because Naruto and Hinata don't hang out in their freetime.

 

Edit; I reread the chapter and found out at least one of the OR pictures are cut to resemble NH.       (the bottom left pictures)

Edited by sushi., 31 October 2013 - 12:27 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Here's the main problem: Naruto has made a connection with Obito with the precious people. This is locked and if they want to talk about the similarities, whether it happens or not doesn't matter, it will be in this center. That you can't break. What's worse is again, the latest event is what will be remembered from this point forward and 631 is the latest moment in terms of pairing even though it's technically the only one. But whatever. Their final stand, I couldn't give a kitten.

[DattebayoXShannaro]

Well, Rin actually has a grave instead of a memorial stone like Obito.  I assume her body was recovered by the Leaf.  About the NH fans trying to parallel, all I'm going to say is they suffer from a habit that if they state their mind, it will happen.  "I say, therefore it will come."  I know this, because I have that compulsion to do it when making speculations and predictions.  They hope by making all these "facts", they will be able to convince themselves and others they are right.  It's sad, really.  Even I wouldn't go so far.  I know when I'm wrong.

Edited by DattebayoXShannaro, 31 October 2013 - 01:11 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I remember he was in that dark cave with a pool of blood, when he held her there..but maybe I was wrong then. Too tired to check. ;p
When you compare the aftermath of a death and casual daytalking..the context doesn't fit. But I can understand, this is the only moment they can compare it with because Naruto and Hinata don't hang out in their freetime.
 
Edit; I reread the chapter and found out at least one of the OR pictures are cut to resemble NH.       (the bottom left pictures)

Oh yeah, I saw it now. Wow. Hell, the topic is nowhere the same.

[Strangelove]

I have a feeling that once Obito's redemption becomes true, Madara will make his move, and Obito will fulfill his redemption by giving Naruto and Sasuke an opening to destroy Madara.

 

There, I just figured a part of the ending on this war arc, now can we skip it?

[BlueStarSaber]

an example would be like this http://vj87g.tumblr....age/65452299939

Isn't that one of the guys who provoke the NH to bash Sakura?

[TouKen4Life3g]

I have a feeling that once Obito's redemption becomes true, Madara will make his move, and Obito will fulfill his redemption by giving Naruto and Sasuke an opening to destroy Madara.

 

There, I just figured a part of the ending on this war arc, now can we skip it?

Skip what? Lately, we go a new route, so who knows.

[rocci]

@sushi
It's not cave, it's the wood thing coming from the zetsu suit.

Edited by rocci, 31 October 2013 - 02:43 AM.

[KnS]

I'm surprised to see this perspective from you since not to long ago I think you said that it would be better if Rin had only loved Kakashi, but now you're saying she only thought she loved him. Could it be that the scenes of Obito's memories of Rin in the course of this year made you changed your mind about ObiRin?

 

My mind has always been open to OR, at least in terms of the possibility that it would be confirmed as a parallel of NS.  I mean, that's what we have all been expecting Kishimoto was doing, right?  But Rin's side of the equation wasn't clear until this chapter.  We hadn't seen much in the way of Rin's self-directed interaction with Obito, nor had we been shown just how much she was really like Sakura.  

 

We already knew that Rin's feelings for Kakashi were similar to Sakura's for Sasuke, but thanks to this chapter we now know that her feelings for Obito were also very similar to Sakura's for Naruto.  So the possibility that Rin thought she was in love with Kakashi -- just as Sakura has thought she is in love with Sasuke -- as a component of the parallel is now a lot more likely.  That's what I meant.

 

As for Kakashi and Rin, that's just my personal wish / head canon.    I would've been happy if it had turned out that Kakashi had feelings for Rin too, but either wasn't capable or didn't realize it until after Obito was "dead."  Kakashi is a much better man than either of his team parallel counterparts.  Orochimaru is one of a kind, thankfully, and Sasuke is a much colder, darker, more callous "friend" of his teammates than Kakashi was even at his very worst (at the beginning of the Gaiden).   In terms of the parallels overall, it would have given the dynamic of Team Minato a unique issue -- both boys loving the girl -- without it having to change the ultimate value of the OR/NS parallel.

 

And no, I still don't like Obito.  Yes, he's supposed to be so much like Naruto but I'm sorry... he sickens me.  In my view he is the anti-Naruto.  Because despite the labored and simplistic comparisons between the two, the fact remains that Naruto had terrible hardships too -- in my opinion much worse hardships than Obito -- and yet Naruto has persevered admirably, always taking the right road, while Obito caved and became a miserable narcissist.  

 

The only thing I like about the Obito / Naruto parallel is that it seems to prove beyond argument that the actual physical presence of the beloved girl, her growing feelings for him, and her continued support throughout his challenges was the key difference in their outcomes.  

 

In Obito's case:   Idealistic Boy - Loved Girl = Miserable Narcissist

In Naruto's case: Idealistic Boy + Loved Girl = Hopeful Messiah

 

Just more fuel to the fire that Sakura will be at Naruto's side by the end.  

Edited by KnS, 31 October 2013 - 06:48 AM.

[Psychox]

an example would be like this http://vj87g.tumblr....age/65452299939

 

O_O??? Huh? This is very amusing coming from the people that say that all NS has are parallels or that they are meaningless then do those stuff again. The context doesn't fit ,it took Hinata 600+ chapters to show some backbone while Rin is portrait to be ''strict'' as Sakura was when she was little (still is that's why Naruto is so scared ) . So um.. further dispute with folks who deny Naruto's feelings/parallels don't have the right of an opinion :3

[Otaru]

an example would be like this http://vj87g.tumblr....age/65452299939

 

oh god...

[Branden]

an example would be like this http://vj87g.tumblr....age/65452299939

At least now they are openly acknowledging that a parallel to Rin is important. This is almost an admission to defeat since Rin is more similar to Sakura than Hinata.

 

That said, I don't think there are any decent parallels other than Rin and Sakura being the love interests of Obito and Naruto.

Yes they are similar in some other ways but just not enough to make it a parallel without forcing it.

[Phantom_999]

an example would be like this http://vj87g.tumblr....age/65452299939

 

Everyone, before you post anything about the the bashers please note that this is NOT the place to discuss bashing but to review and celebrate(though that is not always the case) the latest chapters. remember posting opposing, nonsensical opinions only cause discord and disturbance here. We are not in this specific thread to do that if there are problems with other fandoms we calmly and respectfully discuss it on the NS debate thread or any debate thread about bahers. If there are any. Right here.

 

http://www.narusaku....=12939&page=530   

Edited by Phantom_999, 31 October 2013 - 02:01 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

At least now they are openly acknowledging that a parallel to Rin is important. This is almost an admission to defeat since Rin is more similar to Sakura than Hinata.

 

That said, I don't think there are any decent parallels other than Rin and Sakura being the love interests of Obito and Naruto.

Yes they are similar in some other ways but just not enough to make it a parallel without forcing it.

You know, that's a good way to describe it. At the very least, we may end up getting a parallel similar to Obito, as in seeing the connection. For Minato, it takes the personality of love interest to draw the parallel. For Obito, well who knows, but it doesn't have to be that exact.

[rocci]

In this war arc we got romantic love stories. Starting from minakushi, and then obirin. I think what pairing that will end it?

[TouKen4Life3g]

In this war arc we got romantic love stories. Starting from minakushi, and then obirin. I think what pairing that will end it?

End the war? Well, if Obito stays alive until the very end, he could see Naruto's "Rin" as in connecting him and Naruto that they both have love in their life to protect.

[redragon88]

You know, the arguments I hear are not about how Hinata is like Rin, but how Rin and Sakura are supposedly so different. I just

 

So apparently this big difference that they talk about is of how Rin was very devoted to Obito while the only thing Sakura cares about ever is being a Sasuke fangirl. I'm not kidding, that's the actual argument. According to them Sakura doesn't support Naruto's dream, doesn't care much about him, and only uses him to her benefit. But on the other Rin is devoted to Obito, and was willing to stick with him no matter what, which is something apparently Sakura would never do with Naruto.

 

What irritates me the most is how they say it as if it's some grant epiphany, as if that was Kishimoto's intention regarding the Sakura/Rin comparison. The bias that people have really makes me sick.

 

Here's an example:

 

Edited by redragon88, 31 October 2013 - 03:32 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I know what you mean. I don't get it. I know Kishi is doing his best not to be direct, rather we noticed the connection, much like MinaKushi. We noticed it but not acknowledged. That is until 631 for the parallel of love interest. Still, it's one of those moments that if we don't get it in time, surely the answer will arrive. Like waiting on who is Tobi. Now I'm afraid that Kishi would just go screw it and just be way too direct. As if he actually knows the audience and willing to shove it to their faces.

[sushi.]

You know, the arguments I hear are not about how Hinata is like Rin, but how Rin and Sakura are supposedly so different. I just

 

So apparently this big difference that they talk about is of how Rin was very devoted to Obito while the only thing Sakura cares about ever is being a Sasuke fangirl. I'm not kidding, that's the actual argument. According to them Sakura doesn't support Naruto's dream, doesn't care much about him, and only uses him to her benefit. But on the other Rin is devoted to Obito, and was willing to stick with him no matter what, which is something apparently Sakura would never do with Naruto.

 

What irritates me the most is how they say it as if it's some grant epiphany, as if that was Kishimoto's intention regarding the Sakura/Rin comparison. The bias that people have really makes me sick.

 

Here's an example:

 

The parallels simplifies and recaps NS, they're basically summed up in brief flashbacks. Rin was devoted to Obito, we don't need to know how, when or why. We didn't see their journey, but we did see Sakura's. She became devoted to Naruto over time, because Kishi had to 200 chapters to expand on it, they weren't limited to 2.

Someone tell me Sakura is not devoted to Naruto now, oh that'll make my day.

 

And that vid..I subbed him before. I think I've ditched like 3 of these so called reviewers, this fandom is sad. (not based on just those 3, but together they have over 200 000 subs who overall agree with their statements)

 

They don't really annoy me though..what's annoying to me is the selective reading and the mistranslations.

[咲耶姫]

You know, the arguments I hear are not about how Hinata is like Rin, but how Rin and Sakura are supposedly so different. I just

 

So apparently this big difference that they talk about is of how Rin was very devoted to Obito while the only thing Sakura cares about ever is being a Sasuke fangirl. I'm not kidding, that's the actual argument. According to them Sakura doesn't support Naruto's dream, doesn't care much about him, and only uses him to her benefit. But on the other Rin is devoted to Obito, and was willing to stick with him no matter what, which is something apparently Sakura would never do with Naruto.

 

What irritates me the most is how they say it as if it's some grant epiphany, as if that was Kishimoto's intention regarding the Sakura/Rin comparison. The bias that people have really makes me sick.

 

 

 

Yeah right... That's why since Sasuke's arrival, Sakura only worries about Naruto. She didn't think once about Sasuke indidually. Only about Naruto. They really do are in denial! If they really say things like that, don't waste your time with these stupid false argument, that's not even argument, all that makes no sense, it's completely false, I wonder if they read the same manga.

Edited by 咲耶姫, 31 October 2013 - 03:58 PM.