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[ramenanmitsu]

I really have a hard time believing that Obito will be TnJ'd next chapter....

 

Before, the villains/opponents used to agree. Like how Gaara agreed that in fact, protecting your valued ones is what makes you strong, and he thought he wanted to have such important people in his life. 

 

But in this case, after he imagined himself taking the same path as Naruto, in the imagination of that path he still looked so emotionless and so empty. It's clear that he's not likely to be content with the Naruto way.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I really have a hard time believing that Obito will be TnJ'd next chapter....

 

Before, the villains/opponents used to agree. Like how Gaara agreed that in fact, protecting your valued ones is what makes you strong, and he thought he wanted to have such important people in his life. 

 

But in this case, after he imagined himself taking the same path as Naruto, in the imagination of that path he still looked so emotionless and so empty. It's clear that he's not likely to be content with the Naruto way.

Me too, i agreed with your interpretation that he wanst happy with what he saw on his imagination.

[sushi.]

I actually got the opposite interpretation from some people. 

 

It's because Naruto trusts Sakura, he is leaving her to take care of the Shinju tree. There are three major obstacles/villains: Madara, Obito, Shinju. Hashirama is taking the lead against Madara. Naruto/Sasuke are the lead against Obito. And Sakura/Tsunade against the Shinju.

 

The other kages, the alliance fodders and the rookie 9 all go somewhere under the three major leads 1. Hashirama against Madara 2. Naruto/Sasuke against Obito 3. Sakura/Tsunade against Shinju. It's obvious that Sakura/Tsunade/Hashirama is not to be on the same standings as the rookie 9, they are the main factors to beat down the villain/obstacle. Naruto/Sasuke/Sakura/Tsunade/Hashirama has so much more responsibilities to protect the alliance. Obviously, Sakura not being one of Naruto's pawns has nothing to do with some petty trust problems. No, Naruto and Sakura's situations are in a much more larger scale than that. Her Byakugo no Jutsu is too important for the battle to be discarded only for her to hold a rasengan and fly in Naruto's tail and shout "FRIENDSHIP!!"

 

Naruto leaving the Shinju in Sakura's(and Tsunade) care is proof enough that he is confident with her abilities. 

I think you bring up a very good point.

 

Among these 3 points, I think the rookies are unorganized and scattered. They're sometimes here and sometimes there, but they are not given a primary task.

 

I think they should take down the Shinju. We might see on-screen if they make progress because they would be the only ones there who's not fodder.

[六道仙人]

in a short, friendship's power doesn't work for Obito xD

[sushi.]

final card

Power of..LOVE!

 

I can assure you that'd bring him down.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I really have a hard time believing that Obito will be TnJ'd next chapter....

 

Before, the villains/opponents used to agree. Like how Gaara agreed that in fact, protecting your valued ones is what makes you strong, and he thought he wanted to have such important people in his life. 

 

But in this case, after he imagined himself taking the same path as Naruto, in the imagination of that path he still looked so emotionless and so empty. It's clear that he's not likely to be content with the Naruto way.

That is true. Many of us don't know where he stands now after this. We just know he saw his own world if he had gone on with his friends and actually become Hokage. That said it's not like he would just say "I'm sorry". The problem is that world he imagined can only happen in genjutsu now, the irony. He had that chance but yeah, it's already gone;. So I don't know what's next but hopefully according to preview, something is coming.

[rocci]

Sakura is the only character naruto never witness directly when she get mortally injured. I think that's because he's overprotective toward her.
If naruto can use ftg, he will mark her like what minato did to kushina.

[Nostradamus]

To be honest I really hope this war ark comes to an end soon. It's been over 100 chapters since this bloody war started and it's boring, annoying, dull and repetetive. For example how many times did Obito say the world will end and Naruto saying the world won't end?

At the end of the previous chapter when I saw Kurama combining with Susanno I face palmed because I saw the foreshadowing when Madara did it and I was hoping it's just Kishi showing how much of a bad-ass Madara is, and I was really hoping Sasuke and Naruto will not combine forces because that will make Sasuke "good", remember Sasuke wanted to destroy Konoha back then.

Moving along to this chapter now I can't take the rookies seriously anymore, they were laughable. They were really minions. Naruto basically looked at them and said "Hmm what can these weaklings do to help? I now I will create 9 Rasengans then I will put my minions to push them into the shield." I'm glad that Sakura wasn't part of it. But enough complaining, what I really liked about this chapter was how Kurama looked with that Susanno armor, for the first time since we saw the Tailed Beasts, I can actually call this thing a Beast.

[Luna]

Its funny how 2 People ( Sasuke and Naruto) did what 1 man did on his own. LOL Madara >>>All ninja besides Hashi and Obito

[Paptala]

I'm sorry if this has already been brought up in this thread (I don't believe it has), but if Madara is going to make a shocking revelation, doesn't that mean he's finally going to pull out his trump card that he mentioned earlier?

[DattebayoXShannaro]

That is true. Many of us don't know where he stands now after this. We just know he saw his own world if he had gone on with his friends and actually become Hokage. That said it's not like he would just say "I'm sorry". The problem is that world he imagined can only happen in genjutsu now, the irony. He had that chance but yeah, it's already gone;. So I don't know what's next but hopefully according to preview, something is coming.

 

The way the chapter ended left much to be interpreted.  Again, I mention that Obito is at a level where he can't be defeated physically.  I think even after that hit, he'll get back up, but he'll be weakened to an extent.  Madara will use this chance to step in.  With the cliffhanger, it's left much to be speculated on what can happen next.  Anything goes.

 

I'm sorry if this has already been brought up in this thread (I don't believe it has), but if Madara is going to make a shocking revelation, doesn't that mean he's finally going to pull out his trump card that he mentioned earlier?

 

Now would be his best opportunity.

Edited by DattebayoXShannaro, 18 October 2013 - 11:17 PM.

[Darkness]

I'm sorry if this has already been brought up in this thread (I don't believe it has), but if Madara is going to make a shocking revelation, doesn't that mean he's finally going to pull out his trump card that he mentioned earlier?

 

Probably. There's no doubt about him being the final villain of this arc. If the "shocking truth" are his true intentions, then I see a lot of talking and flashbacks coming up for the next few chapters...

Edited by Darkness, 18 October 2013 - 11:25 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

 

Probably. There's no doubt about him being the final villain of this arc. If the "shocking truth" are his true intentions, then I see a lot of talking and flashbacks coming up for the next few chapters...

Him who?

For me it's obvious that the final villain is Sasuke just because the entire story it's resolved around their clash.

Madara is just being served as a parallel to Sasuke which he's meant to surpass, power-wise speaking off.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 18 October 2013 - 11:32 PM.

[Darkness]

Him who?

For me it's obvious that the final villain is Sasuke just because the entire story it's resolved around their clash.

Madara is just being served as a parallel to Sasuke which he's meant to surpass, power-wise speaking off.

 

Madara. Sasuke will most likely take part in the final confrontation after the current events, but in this arc the final enemy is almost guaranteed to be Madara.

[arian_rad]

I'm sorry if this has already been brought up in this thread (I don't believe it has), but if Madara is going to make a shocking revelation, doesn't that mean he's finally going to pull out his trump card that he mentioned earlier?

 

I said it since before this chapter came out and even more-so after this one came out that the attack would land and would provide Madara the best opportunity he would have at taking over Obito and therefore revealing to us his trump card and taking the role of the final villain back. I also am up for the fact that Obito himself will be the one to help stop Madara and the world from going into the infinite tsukyomi but that's just my guess since I am witnessing how close he is to being tnj'd. It would provide a good ending for his character and give him a valuable death.. which is what kishi loves to do. It would also work with this plot very well and wouldn't seem like an ass-pull since kishi has made it clear to us that he is emotionally breaking. 

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

 

Madara. Sasuke will most likely take part in the final confrontation after the current events, but in this arc the final enemy is almost guaranteed to be Madara.

I doubt, Madara is not the final villain, kishi writes bs sometimes but not to a point that the final enemy being a edo tensei.

Also Sasuke is not good.

Sasuke always alternate between good and evil actions.
Part 2, he started off as a nukenin and a traitor, later he kills Orochimaru(good) destroy his laboratory system and kills two akatsuki even to a point that Konoha ninjas discussed that Sasuke deserved a medal(he had more prestige than Naruto at the point which didnt betrayed the village).
but later he joins akatsuki, attacks Kumogakure, kills kumo ninjas(evil),kill samurais, attack the kages(evil) and later kills Danzo which was already under a bad label when he came back to konoha due to the root and what he did on the summit(good) but later he betrays Karin and tries to kill Sakura(evil) and treatens konoha(evil), he's now helping the alliance(good) but by his own desires which is Itachi.

Sasuke is yet to do some evil action and i can tell this by his attitude, he showed indiference towards the aliance and it's shinobi, he was indifferent to Sakura and the rest of k11, he's totally like Madara who doesnt care about the others while Hashirama cares about his fellow just like Naruto.

 

Madara is not the final villain, he will most likely influenciate Sasuke and Sasuke will only enforces his desire.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 19 October 2013 - 12:02 AM.

[arian_rad]

I doubt, Madara is not the final villain, kishi writes bs sometimes but not to a point that the final enemy being a edo tensei.

 

Sasuke is not the "final villain" anymore.... he is like the anti-hero. Sasuke has his own idea of how to protect Konoha and Naruto has his own, it's pretty clear Sasuke wants to remove the past and in that he has to get rid of Naruto...but it's just not the same... he's not the same evil Sasuke with bad intentions who we call a final villain... his intentions are just one that go against Naruto and Hashirama as we saw that even some fodder agreed with his decision to let the juubi burn. He wants to protect Konoha alone and he thinks that he is the only person able to do so. He is just an anti-hero and kishi made it this way so the fight between Naruto and Sasuke still takes place.

Edited by arian_rad, 19 October 2013 - 12:03 AM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

 

Sasuke is not the "final villain" anymore.... he is like the anti-hero. Sasuke has his own idea of how to protect Konoha and Naruto has his own, it's pretty clear Sasuke wants to remove the past and in that he has to get rid of Naruto...but it's just not the same... he's not the same evil Sasuke with bad intentions who we call a final villain... his intentions are just one that go against Naruto and Hashirama as we saw that even some fodder agreed with his decision to let the juubi burn. He wants to protect Konoha alone and he thinks that he is the only person able to do so. He is just an anti-hero and kishi made it this way so the fight between Naruto and Sasuke still takes place.

Sasuke didnt stated he wants to protect konoha by now, his intentions doesnt show this, by saying he wants to be kage but wants to kill naruto later those two ideas doesnt make sense unless he lied at first to hide his true intentions which Sakura and others already suspect.

Sasuke is the final villain just by looking at him.

He's not the same Sasuke which was used to be driven by his emotions he's now has a clearly objective, which is yet to be revealed and it's clearly not involve protecting konoha since he wants to kill Naruto.

 

Saying that Sasuke is not a villain it's the same as claiming that Madara is not a villain too.

Sasuke would be an anti-hero but he clearly opposes to Naruto in every way.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 19 October 2013 - 12:33 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Also, Naruto has become like a symbol to millions and seeing Sasuke trying to kill Naruto will make everyone pissed, which makes him a villain. He's a villain that didn't intend to, but then again, he does have some bad vibe, so yeah. Either way, he won't have anyone on his back, except his own team.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Also, Naruto has become like a symbol to millions and seeing Sasuke trying to kill Naruto will make everyone pissed, which makes him a villain. He's a villain that didn't intend to, but then again, he does have some bad vibe, so yeah. Either way, he won't have anyone on his back, except his own team.

yep i agree, Sasuke  believes things that are totally the opposite to Naruto's beliefs.

 

Sasuke is selfish, doesnt care about others, wanted to be kage without acknowledgement, wanted to destroy the bijuus, wants to kill him and etc...

He always oppose to Naruto and that's what make him a villain, it's already proved due to Obito's words when he talked about Sasuke that even winning the war is meaningless if he doesnt convert Sasuke.

 

The villain is the one who fills up the role of antagonist, the whole story unfolds around a battle between them, just like Hashirama and Madara.

 

Obito was never an antagonist and neither Madara.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 19 October 2013 - 12:45 AM.