488 replies to this topic

[TouKen4Life3g]

What?... How? Sakura didn't poison him. She poisoned the kunai that cut him, but she wasn't wielding it - Sasuke was, and he didn't even mean to cut him lmao. It's not like Sakura did it on purpose, haha.

I know but it's a joke. That's the point. Why else that scene with Karin telling her, "Well you did poison him" and Sakura looking guilty meant to be funny.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

What?... How? Sakura didn't poison him. She poisoned the kunai that cut him, but she wasn't wielding it - Sasuke was, and he didn't even mean to cut him lmao. It's not like Sakura did it on purpose, haha.

I knew someome would fall for this.

[BakeNeko-Chan]

I see that in every anime, movie, series etc. Many villains who were shown their reasons of their bad and/or evil actions that they were victims of. Kishi tends to do it like that and because he wants the story to be more close to reality.

 

I don't have a problem with the villains being shown as victims in their own right, just to make that clear. What I have a problem with is villains being shown as misunderstood or misguided and thus not accountable for their actions. I have to admit I do have some fear of Kishi going this direction, the very thought of someone like Orochimaru not facing consequences for the horrid things he's done, is enough to make me sick. "He's was a victim because his parents died when he was little" just doesn't cut it.

[BakeNeko-Chan]

@bakenekochan
If this's seinen I can see he do that.

@atheck
I believe sasuke will gain CS lvl 3 and rinnegan either with fruit or hashi DNA.

 

I'm afraid I'm not clear on what you mean, you could see him doing what?

 

 

Troll-getsu strikes again. I wonder how closely related he is to Troll-kage? They are from the same clan after all.

 

But seriously, am I the only one who found that scene hilarious? I sometimes think people get too riled up about fictional situations.

 

I really try not to get worked up over these things, but that scene it did kind of rile me up and I didn't find it funny. It just bothered me and the humor felt like it was in such bad taste.

[Atheck]

I don't have a problem with the villains being shown as victims in their own right, just to make that clear. What I have a problem with is villains being shown as misunderstood or misguided and thus not accountable for their actions. I have to admit I do have some fear of Kishi going this direction, the very thought of someone like Orochimaru not facing consequences for the horrid things he's done, is enough to make me sick. "He's was a victim because his parents died when he was little" just doesn't cut it.

At this point? Why not? Many anti-heroes in this manga have innocent blood on their hands yet they managed to establish a life for themselves under the guise of benevolence. Gaara attempted to kill three Konoha shinobi in a civilian hospital and he murdered two spectators in the Chunin Exams stadium. Nevermind the fact that he successfully killed Dosu albeit you could write that off as self-defence since Gaara was approached first and threatened. Yet with just a simple preaching from Naruto he's one of the most beloved and renowned figures in the Alliance.

It just goes to show that the judicial system in the Naruto universe is very lousy. So long as you recant your "evil ways" and perform a few favours for the "good guys" all of your past transgressions will be removed. Admittedly Sasuke is looking to be an exception as the Rookies did mention that they would not look the other way even if he assisted them in fighting Akatsuki. It makes you wonder if they will share that mentality when judging Orochimaru who has undoubtedly committed far worse crimes than almost anyone else in this manga.

[DattebayoXShannaro]

 

I don't have a problem with the villains being shown as victims in their own right, just to make that clear. What I have a problem with is villains being shown as misunderstood or misguided and thus not accountable for their actions. I have to admit I do have some fear of Kishi going this direction, the very thought of someone like Orochimaru not facing consequences for the horrid things he's done, is enough to make me sick. "He's was a victim because his parents died when he was little" just doesn't cut it.

 

I don't think Kishimoto intends to have Orochimaru have a free pass.  It's not like he joined the war out of selfless reasons.  He wants his new wind to blow in.

[BakeNeko-Chan]

At this point? Why not? Many anti-heroes in this manga have innocent blood on their hands yet they managed to establish a life for themselves under the guise of benevolence. Gaara attempted to kill three Konoha shinobi in a civilian hospital and he murdered two spectators in the Chunin Exams stadium. Nevermind the fact that he successfully killed Dosu albeit you could write that off as self-defence since Gaara was approached first and threatened. Yet with just a simple preaching from Naruto he's one of the most beloved and renowned figures in the Alliance.

It just goes to show that the judicial system in the Naruto universe is very lousy. So long as you recant your "evil ways" and perform a few favours for the "good guys" all of your past transgressions will be removed. Admittedly Sasuke is looking to be an exception as the Rookies did mention that they would not look the other way even if he assisted them in fighting Akatsuki. It makes you wonder if they will share that mentality when judging Orochimaru who has undoubtedly committed far worse crimes than almost anyone else in this manga.

 

I don't want to sound like I'm making an excuse, but I view the situations of Gaara and Orochimaru very differently. Gaara was a child and severely mentally ill and children, in my eyes, do not have the same accountability as adults. I'm talking about a character who was an adult (Orochimaru, in this case) who knew full well what he was doing and saw no wrong in it, who was a complete and inarguable sadist and sociopath, getting off scot-free.

Edited by BakeNeko-Chan, 28 September 2013 - 01:27 AM.

[BakeNeko-Chan]

 

I don't think Kishimoto intends to have Orochimaru have a free pass.  It's not like he joined the war out of selfless reasons.  He wants his new wind to blow in.

 

I'm not convinced that Orochimaru is good, he very well could be just biding his time. That's really what I'm hoping for.

 

 

Sorry about the consecutive posts  . I wanted to edit so that I could address them both, but it seems it doesn't work that way.

[Atheck]

I don't want to sound like I'm making an excuse, but I view the situations of Gaara and Orochimaru very differently. Gaara was a child and severely mentally ill and children, in my eyes, do not have the same accountability as adults. I'm talking about a character who was an adult (Orochimaru, in this case) who knew full well what he was doing and saw no wrong in it, who was a complete and inarguable sadist and sociopath, getting off scot-free.

True but this is a universe where children are indoctrinated into what amounts as a nation's military at a very young age. Oftentimes they experience violence and warfare before they even reach adolescence. Compared to the average child in our reality, these people are all highly intelligent and very disciplined. Still they do probably have different standards in matters of criminality and retribution depending on the age of an offender.

Gaara was a small child who grew up under the most strenuous and traumatic of circumstances. He was alienated from everyone in his village and his father would routinely send assassins to attempt to kill him just to test his mettle as a jinchuurki. Considering his background and the very sensitive nature of his age it's possible that the authorities in both Konoha and Suna would grant him leniency like for many child offenders. That and his abilities make him a very powerful asset to have which would probably be another factor in judging Gaara.

[rocci]

Almost All villain in naruto is dead or will dead, with some exception.

[Dkey]

True but this is a universe where children are indoctrinated into what amounts as a nation's military at a very young age. Oftentimes they experience violence and warfare before they even reach adolescence. Compared to the average child in our reality, these people are all highly intelligent and very disciplined. Still they do probably have different standards in matters of criminality and retribution depending on the age of an offender.

Gaara was a small child who grew up under the most strenuous and traumatic of circumstances. He was alienated from everyone in his village and his father would routinely send assassins to attempt to kill him just to test his mettle as a jinchuurki. Considering his background and the very sensitive nature of his age it's possible that the authorities in both Konoha and Suna would grant him leniency like for many child offenders. That and his abilities make him a very powerful asset to have which would probably be another factor in judging Gaara.

 

Gaara was different somehow. Those deaths were the result of a small war breaking out between the leaf and the sand. But if we go by the rules of that world the relatives of those who he killed would want retaliation. So we have to assume that there are some who don't like the leaf sand alliance because their loved ones were killed but keep quiet.

 

But characters like Orochimaru, Madara and Obito aren't exempt from this. I don't see either of them getting their right to live out their lives until the end. Kishi went to establish that the villain is the system in which they live and the characters I've mentioned are a product of that system. But they will be stopped. Even if in their souls they will find some form of solace it's not like they won't pay for what they did.

 

I assume this idea of not paying for your mistakes ( by being killed, or doing prison time) stems from how Nagato died. But his way of reviving everyone was exactly in direct contrast to the way he acted after Yahiko's death. It's not like he couldn't accept Yahiko's death he did accept it but he didn't want to accept the pain that came with it. He didn't want to sacrifice himself to ressurect Yahiko because he wanted to live with all 3. If he did 1.Yahiko's sacrifice would've been in vain

2. he wouldn't be a villain then.

[Atheck]

Gaara was different somehow. Those deaths were the result of a small war breaking out between the leaf and the sand.

No, they weren't. He murdered those two people as the Chunin Exams were still proceeding. It occurred during a time of peace technically.
 

But if we go by the rules of that world the relatives of those who he killed would want retaliation. So we have to assume that there are some who don't like the leaf sand alliance because their loved ones were killed but keep quiet.

That's not very likely to occur. They were just two random bookies who approached Gaara and requested him to purposefully lose his match against Sasuke. Chances would be greater that someone would seek out Team 7 to kill them as an act of retaliation for playing a role in Gato's death.

If you want an actual example of a minor character who vied for revenge then you need only look towards Hayate's girlfriend, Yugao. Despite her self-assurances that she would avenge his death that quest of hers never saw any further elaboration past her original vow. Baki being alive and well with authority as a village elder demonstrates that clearly.

The above is just one of the many examples of insignificant characters who said they would do something yet we never see them again. Kishi often discards or forgets statements that characters make.
 

But characters like Orochimaru, Madara and Obito aren't exempt from this. I don't see either of them getting their right to live out their lives until the end. Kishi went to establish that the villain is the system in which they live and the characters I've mentioned are a product of that system.

Tobi and Madara I can understand (even though I personally believe that they have committed far too many heinous crimes to justify themselves) but Orochimaru has no such moral ambiguity to his actions or past. His original interest in immortality stemmed from the loss of his parents but it was never specified how they died. It was only mentioned that because of their deaths Orochimaru began to delve into kinjutsu.

Soon afterwards Orochimaru lost sight of his initial motivation and he only continued his research to benefit himself. After that he became the sadistic and inhumane being that we all know. His only actual qualm was against Konoha for passing him up for the Hokage position but he has no one to blame except himself since it was because of his unethical experimentations that Hiruzen precluded him from the selection pool.

Every crime that Orochimaru has ever committed has been with the intention of furthering his own self-centred pursuits. The sympathetic undertones of his actions was lost when he no longer understood what compelled him to strive in the first place.
 

But they will be stopped. Even if in their souls they will find some form of solace it's not like they won't pay for what they did.

I assume this idea of not paying for your mistakes ( by being killed, or doing prison time) stems from how Nagato died. But his way of reviving everyone was exactly in direct contrast to the way he acted after Yahiko's death. It's not like he couldn't accept Yahiko's death he did accept it but he didn't want to accept the pain that came with it. He didn't want to sacrifice himself to ressurect Yahiko because he wanted to live with all 3. If he did 1.Yahiko's sacrifice would've been in vain
2. he wouldn't be a villain then.

Nagato obviously set a standard for the villains who became too deeply ingrained in their deeds to continue living as someone reformed. For those like him their act of atonement will be the last thing they ever do.

Perhaps this is just me but I don't believe that every villain needs to receive redemption. Some are used as examples of irredemability and unwavering fanaticism to incite character development or provide a tragic occurrence that leaves the villain's character in a morally dubious state without any closure or atonement. Kimimaro and arguably Kisame represent that archetype. Others just aren't given much of a background neither are they intended to appear sympathetic. Gato, Kakuzu, and Hidan are those types of character.

Some villains are just autonomic in nature like the Jubi and a moral judgement can't be defined all too well. And then there's the few who people in the manga just don't give a damn about killing or watching suffer despite their capacity to feel human emotions like Zetsu.

For the most part I believe Kishi tries to instill a sense of humanity and reason into his antagonists. It correlates with one of the major thematic devices of his manga. But as I mentioned there are some exceptions to this.

[morgaine4]

At this point? Why not? Many anti-heroes in this manga have innocent blood on their hands yet they managed to establish a life for themselves under the guise of benevolence. Gaara attempted to kill three Konoha shinobi in a civilian hospital and he murdered two spectators in the Chunin Exams stadium. Nevermind the fact that he successfully killed Dosu albeit you could write that off as self-defence since Gaara was approached first and threatened. Yet with just a simple preaching from Naruto he's one of the most beloved and renowned figures in the Alliance.

It just goes to show that the judicial system in the Naruto universe is very lousy. So long as you recant your "evil ways" and perform a few favours for the "good guys" all of your past transgressions will be removed. Admittedly Sasuke is looking to be an exception as the Rookies did mention that they would not look the other way even if he assisted them in fighting Akatsuki. It makes you wonder if they will share that mentality when judging Orochimaru who has undoubtedly committed far worse crimes than almost anyone else in this manga.

 

I always assumed that in a world so violent that training children to become cold blooded killers/soldiers (apparently Kakashi was 5 when he graduated the academy, 6 when he became a Chunin, and probably around 12-13 when he became a Jounin) murder wouldn't be as offensive as it is in our society.  And, I know many people hate the "well their world is different from ours" explanation, but it is different.  Even though Naruto in many ways really silly and simplistic (well, the manga is written for 12-13 year old children), the Naruto-verse is incredibly dark.  The canon manga seems to leave it at murder and mental torture, but what else is there?  How else do ninja they break their oponents (what sort of physical torture, sexual assault)?  I would think that they're entire perspective regarding violence is very different, and years ago it could have been argued that I was reading too deeply into the world (and I did get into debates about this), but then we had the flashback with Hashirama and he did talk about the problem with having child soldiers and his sadness that things didn't change much.

 

Also, if you think about it, it actually makes sense that Sasuke's actions would be thought of differently than the actions of some other (reformed) criminals (like Gaara).  This is a militaristic society, and though Gaara did often attack other Sand members (often because of the torture he was put through) he never defected, he never committed treason and that's exactly what Sasuke did not just when he defected from Konoha, but also every time he moved to attack Konoha-ninja, and especially when he attacked (and killed) the acting Hokage --the acting leader of the village that he had sworn loyalty to as a soldier.  I don't doubt that Sasuke will redeem himself after or as he finally acknowledges Naruto, and that he'll probably get an easy punishment (if he's punished at all) but I think there are reasons why Sasuke's treason is taken more seriously that Gaara's former sociopathy in that world.

 

As for their judicial system being lousy, yes it is, but is that surprising considering the fact that this world (or the parts of the world we're exposed to) is militaristic?  I'm not sure it is, if anything I'm surprised that we haven't seen more poorly-investigated crimes that lead to unjust executions, but then again this is written for young children and I just tell myself that non-Naruto-centric events would be ignored.

 

If you want an actual example of a minor character who vied for revenge then you need only look towards Hayate's girlfriend, Yugao. Despite her self-assurances that she would avenge his death that quest of hers never saw any further elaboration past her original vow. Baki being alive and well with authority as a village elder demonstrates that clearly.

The above is just one of the many examples of insignificant characters who said they would do something yet we never see them again. Kishi often discards or forgets statements that characters make

 

I really wish that Kishi had expanded upon Yugao and her anger.  It really would have been interesting to look into how she'd react/struggle to the peace between Konoha and Suna, the battle between her human aspect and soldier aspect.  How did she overcome her grief?  How is she able to work with Baki now etc etc.  I guess she just wasn't an important enough character, but it could have been fascinating.

[rocci]

@morgaine
Kakashi age already retcon along with the some character in 599.

If naruto publish in seinen manga, than I expect the world condition to become just like berserk world.

Oh yeah I think base on sasuke novel, gunpowder already found and will rule out ninja. Just like how gun change the warfare and kill warrior caste

[T XD]

 

I don't have a problem with the villains being shown as victims in their own right, just to make that clear. What I have a problem with is villains being shown as misunderstood or misguided and thus not accountable for their actions. I have to admit I do have some fear of Kishi going this direction, the very thought of someone like Orochimaru not facing consequences for the horrid things he's done, is enough to make me sick. "He's was a victim because his parents died when he was little" just doesn't cut it.

Orochimaru is like the other villains. A victim because his parents died and what other things said about his past that are the same or close things that happened with other villains. I see him now getting the same treatment like them except Sasuke either dying or alive but a wanderer.

 

From what I see in the manga regarding Orochimaru, he's not shown to be bad at the level of Obito and Madara on how far they take things. By this, Orochimaru is now walking and talking casually around the alliance now which it's a proof that he's not viewed this horrible person like Sasuke, Obito and Madara especially now from his very own friend and teammate Tsunade. I think this is because for Orochimaru's future role regarding Sasuke that he's kept like this for now like seeing the new wind and what he's going to do after the war. Plus, I see him dying at the end in a way or another. I don't think he'll be back hiding under the grounds.

 

 

I don't want to sound like I'm making an excuse, but I view the situations of Gaara and Orochimaru very differently. Gaara was a child and severely mentally ill and children, in my eyes, do not have the same accountability as adults. I'm talking about a character who was an adult (Orochimaru, in this case) who knew full well what he was doing and saw no wrong in it, who was a complete and inarguable sadist and sociopath, getting off scot-free.

 

Yeah, but this difference won't be a significant one in the manga like we saw with Nagato and now soon with Madara by them were grown ups like Orochimaru when they left the village and done these bad things. The choices that they have decided and take the action upon are accountable on them cause they know the right from wrong, but like Nagato and Gaara, the same link goes with Orochimaru on having what happened with him in the past will be seen as misguided him to do the things he has done, and have a story line that will tell the readers to understand him more when his end will come.

 

That's what I think from the way the story has shown us with Nagato and Gaara, and probably Obito and Madara also.

[morgaine4]

@morgaine
Kakashi age already retcon along with the some character in 599.

If naruto publish in seinen manga, than I expect the world condition to become just like berserk world.

Oh yeah I think base on sasuke novel, gunpowder already found and will rule out ninja. Just like how gun change the warfare and kill warrior caste

 

599 was the Obito-reveal, right?  You might be right, I just don't remember ages being mentioned specifically.  Either way, 5 and 6  or 9 and 11, or 12 and 13 these are extremely young children forced to act as killing machines.  It's a dark, dark world.

[rocci]

Well before the ninja rank system establish, children usually part of the army. So the children dead toll was high.

[sushi.]

I'll start with the good stuff..Tobirama goodness? And I like the first Raikage. I wonder what he says in the raw, what really "you know" means. Dattebayo is also translated to "you know". I love Hashirama too, and his dynamic with his brother. Brotherhood is central in this manga, but I favour the Hakittenobi one because I think they fill eachother out, I think they compliment and complete eachother.

 

The bad stuff? I didn't like this chapter because I think Kishi is playing the same card over and over again, instead of moving the story. I also want Naruto to give speeches like this instead of only Hashirama, Naruto only has back and forward dialogues with Obito which will not have any effect before later on. Tobirama talks about how the people depend on Naruto, but it is his brother that takes the leading role. I like Hashi as a leader, but I just thought it was Naruto's turn right now.

 

I also didn't like it because I've noticed the very many cliffhangers that keeps popping up, and the following chapter don't live up to my expectation. Basically, we got Naruto saying he was going all out in the last chapter and now we get; Flashbacks and Naruto still saying he's going all out. (I know he did attack, but I'll mention that later) I think the flashbacks messed up the order of the chapter too, it made it quite messy and it felt like I was reading two chapters until the last page.

 

The flashbacks seriously came out of nowhere. Now all of a sudden, we get Hashirama's memories about something we already knew, and I don't think it needed to be expanded on right now. I understand it all connected in the end of the chapter, but I still think the timing is wrong. If anything I would rather have a character explain the meeting when Naruto officially creates unity within the nations.

 

The chapter was slow too, I wonder how many seconds passed. The script was mostly thoughts and dialogues, and almost everybody stood completely still. We didn't see the results for Naruto and Sasuke, it seems they're still at it(wow), and I hope we'll see the damage in the next chapter.

 

And one of the Kages' right hand looks like Orochimaru, probably a coincidence.

 

I don't know what you guys think of the chapter(can you update me on the conversation here, please?), but I've been out of the country so I read it just now. These are my first thoughts.

Edited by sushi., 28 September 2013 - 02:49 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I'll start with the good stuff..Tobirama goodness? And I like the first Raikage. I wonder what he says in the raw, what really "you know" means. Dattebayo is also translated to "you know". I love Hashirama too, and his dynamic with his brother. Brotherhood is central in this manga, but I favour the Hakittenobi one because I think they fill eachother out, I think they compliment and complete eachother.

 

The bad stuff? I didn't like this chapter because I think Kishi is playing the same card over and over again, instead of moving the story. I also want Naruto to give speeches like this instead of only Hashirama, Naruto only has back and forward dialogues with Obito which will not have any effect before later on. Tobirama talks about how the people depend on Naruto, but it is his brother that takes the leading role. I like Hashi as a leader, but I just thought it was Naruto's turn right now.

 

I also didn't like it because I've noticed the very many cliffhangers that keeps popping up, and the following chapter don't live up to my expectation. Basically, we got Naruto saying he was going all out in the last chapter and now we get; Flashbacks and Naruto still saying he's going all out. (I know he did attack, but I'll mention that later) I think the flashbacks messed up the order of the chapter too, it made it quite messy and it felt like I was reading two chapters until the last page.

 

The flashbacks seriously came out of nowhere. Now all of a sudden, we get Hashirama's memories about something we already knew, and I don't think it needed to be expanded on right now. I understand it all connected in the end of the chapter, but I still think the timing is wrong. If anything I would rather have a character explain the meeting when Naruto officially creates unity within the nations.

 

The chapter was slow too, I wonder how many seconds passed. The script was mostly thoughts and dialogues, and almost everybody stood completely still. We didn't see the results for Naruto and Sasuke, it seems they're still at it(wow), and I hope we'll see the damage in the next chapter.

 

And one of the Kages' right hand looks like Orochimaru, probably a coincidence.

 

I don't know what you guys think of the chapter(can you update me on the conversation here, please?), but I've been out of the country so I read it just now. These are my first thoughts.

Yeah, the fight with Obito should had been epic for Naruto but those dialogues and back and forth ruined the fighting, and it's boring.
I dont know but i feel that Kishi lose the talent to make epic battles.

The last one was Naruto x Sasuke on the valley of the end, the Naruto x Pain was good too but Hinata ruined it, should had been Naruto x Pain instead of the interruption and the kyuubi thing.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 28 September 2013 - 03:22 PM.

[Dkey]

No, they weren't. He murdered those two people as the Chunin Exams were still proceeding. It occurred during a time of peace technically.
 

That's not very likely to occur. They were just two random bookies who approached Gaara and requested him to purposefully lose his match against Sasuke. Chances would be greater that someone would seek out Team 7 to kill them as an act of retaliation for playing a role in Gato's death.

If you want an actual example of a minor character who vied for revenge then you need only look towards Hayate's girlfriend, Yugao. Despite her self-assurances that she would avenge his death that quest of hers never saw any further elaboration past her original vow. Baki being alive and well with authority as a village elder demonstrates that clearly.

The above is just one of the many examples of insignificant characters who said they would do something yet we never see them again. Kishi often discards or forgets statements that characters make.
 

Tobi and Madara I can understand (even though I personally believe that they have committed far too many heinous crimes to justify themselves) but Orochimaru has no such moral ambiguity to his actions or past. His original interest in immortality stemmed from the loss of his parents but it was never specified how they died. It was only mentioned that because of their deaths Orochimaru began to delve into kinjutsu.

Soon afterwards Orochimaru lost sight of his initial motivation and he only continued his research to benefit himself. After that he became the sadistic and inhumane being that we all know. His only actual qualm was against Konoha for passing him up for the Hokage position but he has no one to blame except himself since it was because of his unethical experimentations that Hiruzen precluded him from the selection pool.

Every crime that Orochimaru has ever committed has been with the intention of furthering his own self-centred pursuits. The sympathetic undertones of his actions was lost when he no longer understood what compelled him to strive in the first place.
 

Nagato obviously set a standard for the villains who became too deeply ingrained in their deeds to continue living as someone reformed. For those like him their act of atonement will be the last thing they ever do.

Perhaps this is just me but I don't believe that every villain needs to receive redemption. Some are used as examples of irredemability and unwavering fanaticism to incite character development or provide a tragic occurrence that leaves the villain's character in a morally dubious state without any closure or atonement. Kimimaro and arguably Kisame represent that archetype. Others just aren't given much of a background neither are they intended to appear sympathetic. Gato, Kakuzu, and Hidan are those types of character.

Some villains are just autonomic in nature like the Jubi and a moral judgement can't be defined all too well. And then there's the few who people in the manga just don't give a damn about killing or watching suffer despite their capacity to feel human emotions like Zetsu.

For the most part I believe Kishi tries to instill a sense of humanity and reason into his antagonists. It correlates with one of the major thematic devices of his manga. But as I mentioned there are some exceptions to this.

there isn't a judicial system in the naruverse and we don't have to concern ourselves with it.
As for Sasuke at one point there will be a fight between what the village wants and what Naruto wants but if we go by a practical reason to forgive Sasuke of his crimes against a village it would be Sasuke's allegiance to it. if sasuke doesnt oppose the stability of the village then having him and naruto the 2 most powerfull shinobi in existance is a very big thing for the village.

But I dont see how much this village vs Sasuke thing will develop because of Naruto's vouch. Thou they werent all that happy with naruto's tnj of nagato there may not be enough time to discuss it.