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[Codus N]

How Sakura's healing was rendered moot and useless against Kurama healing Gai, and Chouji getting fat again from the chakra cloak ?

 

Because the question here is, what do you need medics for when Kurama can heal in addition to making each individual Shinobi 10x stronger than what they are normally?

 

I suppose Kurama's time limits does give them a time to shine, but it looks pale in comparison to what Kurama can do.

[Chatte]

Kurama's cloak gives chakra, not healing.

[Codus N]

Kurama's cloak gives chakra, not healing.

 

Really? then why did he say he'd heal Guy? wouldn't he have said he'd give him chakra? and even if it does give chakra, it's still necessarily the same thing as by giving his chakra to people, he's also replenishing their vitality. Replenishing one's vitality is pretty much the same thing as healing their bodies by speeding up the healing process. 

 

It has the same basis as Wendy's magic in FT. 

[T XD]

 

Because the question here is, what do you need medics for when Kurama can heal in addition to making each individual Shinobi 10x stronger than what they are normally?

 

I suppose Kurama's time limits does give them a time to shine, but it looks pale in comparison to what Kurama can do.

Kurama isn't meant for healing. It's for chakra boost. Healing comes with it, but medics can always help. Kurama isn't always available for help, nor does it wants to heal when it comes for healing only if the situation really demands it.

Plus, with Sakura, they are able to be healed more effectively and more rapidly at anytime which is why we see her and Katsuyu healing. If it was the contrary, we wouldn't see Sakura and Katsuyu healing before all the alliance.

 

Yeah, let's look in a negative light also on Sakura's healing now. I'm sorry, but not everything has to be taken seriously with every single bit with what Sakura does. Why not Naruto or Kakashi or whatever ?... Seems that it has become a habit regarding Sakura.

 

No offense. When I always see here such talk, I don't reply. But, this time with the healing... I've kinda had enough.

Edited by T XD, 30 August 2013 - 02:22 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I don't think it heal him in health wise, but rather strength wise. You could argue wrong choice of word but pretty much if you get chakra, your will will increase ten fold as well. Besides, it's best if Naruto just let it go because if you ask me, it only makes him waste faster. Kuruma said that not only sharing will reduce it faster but so as controlling. Sakura picked it up that it's making him exhausted as everyone were way too reliable on it, hence "it's all over without his power" talk in chapter 630. So for his sake, I hope he doesn't do too much work, because he still needs to take care of Obito, who btw is much much worse than the state from 629. Obito can pretty much one blast all of them, Naruto should go all-out offense.

[Codus N]

Kurama isn't meant for healing. It's for chakra boost. Healing comes with it, but medics can always help. Kurama isn't always available for help, nor does it wants to heal when it comes for healing only if the situation really demands it.

Plus, with Sakura, they are able to be healed more effectively and more rapidly at anytime which is why we see her and Katsuyu healing. If it was the contrary, we wouldn't see Sakura and Katsuyu healing before all the alliance.

 

Yeah, let's look in a negative light also on Sakura's healing now. I'm sorry, but not everything has to be taken seriously with every single bit with what Sakura does. Why not Naruto or Kakashi or whatever ?... Seems that it has become a habit regarding Sakura.

 

No offense, but when I always see here such talk, I don't reply. But, this time with the healing... I've kinda had enough.

 

But when you see the difference, isn't Kurama's cloak better in this regard? I mean, if you had to choose between healing+added power and just healing, I think Kurama's has more benefits.

 

Sakura's feat is still quite impressive as her current abilities definitely put her on par with Tsunade. But it still is overshadowed by Kurama's IMO.

 

NS4Life: I gotta agree that Naruto should focus on all-out offensive instead of protecting the alliance and let the medics do their own thing. At the very least, he should just give only sakura the cloak to boost her healing jutsus. That's more than enough for the alliance since they all have Katsuyu attached.

Edited by Codus N, 30 August 2013 - 02:29 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

 
But when you see the difference, isn't Kurama's cloak better in this regard? I mean, if you had to choose between healing+added power and just healing, I think Kurama's has more benefits.
 
Sakura's feat is still quite impressive as her current abilities definitely put her on par with Tsunade. But it still is overshadowed by Kurama's IMO.

I'll tell you this much. Remix of both and you got an unstoppable person in the universe.

[Chatte]

 

Really? then why did he say he'd heal Guy? wouldn't he have said he'd give him chakra? and even if it does give chakra, it's still necessarily the same thing as by giving his chakra to people, he's also replenishing their vitality. Replenishing one's vitality is pretty much the same thing as healing their bodies by speeding up the healing process. 

 

It has the same basis as Wendy's magic in FT. 

When did he say that?!
 

[Codus N]

When did he say that?!
 

 

When the Juubi first revived. Ch. 610, I think.

[Psychox]

^Yes , but Naruto can't keep supplying the alliance with chakra , its not like an endless amount of  reservoir to tap into , Sakura's healing abilities are indeed needed as seen in 634/635 , so we can't disregard her potential in contributing in support in  the war.

[Codus N]

I'll tell you this much. Remix of both and you got an unstoppable person in the universe.

 

Mind elaborating?

[T XD]

 

But when you see the difference, isn't Kurama's cloak better in this regard? I mean, if you had to choose between healing+added power and just healing, I think Kurama's has more benefits.

 

Sakura's feat is still quite impressive as her current abilities definitely put her on par with Tsunade. But it still is overshadowed by Kurama's IMO.

Well, yeah, of course healing with added power is better than just healing. But, we're talking about the healing. Saying indirectly there's no use for medics and Sakura cause of that isn't an option when Kurama had this chance before to give them, and let's not forget he can't always cause it depends and is also affecting Naruto badly.

Edited by T XD, 30 August 2013 - 02:34 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

^Yes , but Naruto can't keep supplying the alliance with chakra , its not like an endless amount of  reservoir to tap into , Sakura's healing abilities are indeed needed as seen in 634/635 , so we can't disregard her potential in contributing in support in  the war.

Exactly. Plus it's being wasted as Sakura can make it seem it uses so small yet does huge amount of heal. Again, it's not free, it comes with a price which is harming Naruto. Sure he's fighting hard but look how long it took for him to go BM again. In fact, he needed the other half to help. The point is Kuruma's chakra don't really help as much as healing in terms of health, but it does in strength. Heck, now that Sakura has one, she can heal everyone unlimited. So again, mix of both and you got unstoppable guy.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

 

When the Juubi first revived. Ch. 610, I think.

 

Looks like you're right he can heal.

[Chatte]

The thing is Kurama's chakra gives you a boost and protection and that's about it. But the deeper wounds cannot be healed because if you remember, it took Sakura to indeed heal Kakashi and Shizune to heal Gai to be able to fight back properly.
So from this point of view Sakura's healing > Kurama rejuvenation.

[TouKen4Life3g]

 
Mind elaborating?

No problem.

Ok, imagine. Sakura with Kuruma's chakra, which boosts the ability a lot, right. Naruto with BM mode. Naruto does get hurt, so what if you have Naruto and Sakura standing side-by-side and he will provide offense while Sakura provides support. If one comes to aim at Sakura, she will hulk smash them. It's truly Heaven and Earth combo. Heck, remember how Minato took care of one battlefield single-handily? Well Naruto can do it like more than one field. Sends clone, Sakura heals, repeat.

[Codus N]

The thing is Kurama's chakra gives you a boost and protection and that's about it. But the deeper wounds cannot be healed because if you remember, it took Sakura to indeed heal Kakashi and Shizune to heal Gai to be able to fight back properly.
So from this point of view Sakura's healing > Kurama rejuvenation.

 

Probably, I guess. But then again, he did heal Naruto from a Chidori to the shoulder, so it's not implausible for him. 

[TouKen4Life3g]

 

Probably, I guess. But then again, he did heal Naruto from a Chidori to the shoulder, so it's not implausible for him. 

To be fair, that is his body. Maybe if Naruto can share the amount of what he has now, it could heal a lot, but this one is just chakra sharing that only you can make it look strong.

[James S Cassidy]

Kurama isn't meant for healing. It's for chakra boost. Healing comes with it, but medics can always help. Kurama isn't always available for help, nor does it wants to heal when it comes for healing only if the situation really demands it.

Plus, with Sakura, they are able to be healed more effectively and more rapidly at anytime which is why we see her and Katsuyu healing. If it was the contrary, we wouldn't see Sakura and Katsuyu healing before all the alliance.

 

Yeah, let's look in a negative light also on Sakura's healing now. I'm sorry, but not everything has to be taken seriously with every single bit with what Sakura does. Why not Naruto or Kakashi or whatever ?... Seems that it has become a habit regarding Sakura.

 

No offense. When I always see here such talk, I don't reply. But, this time with the healing... I've kinda had enough.

I have said it before...and I will say it again. It seems everyone, including some in the NS fanbase, are finding ANY reason to push Sakura to the ground. You know, people complain that Sakura is abusive, but the amount of crap she gets from at least the western fanbases, I'd say we are the ones doing to the abusing. ("We" as in general.)

This girl can never catch a break at all and even though many characters are guilty of worse crimes, they still get hand-waved meanwhile Sakura is put on a pedestal and judged like she is the worst character ever written. This is why I pick on Hinata a lot. To keep balance to this kind of abuse Sakura gets all the time.

It's not enough that she goes through a lot, but they want her to be miserable and just die at times.

The difference between Sakura's healing and Kurama's cloak is simple. Precision and efficiency. Kurama's cloak is a aura of chakra that speeds up the healing process yes, but it is also wasted energy to use on just a small arm wound or a cut. Sakura can heal it just as effectively using only a little chakra and not exhausting herself. It also may even shorten Naruto's lifespan by using it. Who knows? Although given that the Uzumaki have a large life span (which I am wondering how long they can live for) it seems to be a drop in the bucket.

 

[Nate River]

The thing is Kurama's chakra gives you a boost and protection and that's about it. But the deeper wounds cannot be healed because if you remember, it took Sakura to indeed heal Kakashi and Shizune to heal Gai to be able to fight back properly.
So from this point of view Sakura's healing > Kurama rejuvenation.

 

Would not the question then be is Kurama healing's someone that he does not reside inferior to healing the person he resides in? Also, then, it took a combination for Kakashi and Gai...which was more important? The manga doesn't say.

 

Which is better is probably dependent on the specific task that needs to be accomplished. 

 

 

 

I have said it before...and I will say it again. It seems everyone, including some in the NS fanbase, are finding ANY reason to push Sakura to the ground. You know, people complain that Sakura is abusive, but the amount of crap she gets from at least the western fanbases, I'd say we are the ones doing to the abusing. ("We" as in general.)

This girl can never catch a break at all and even though many characters are guilty of worse crimes, they still get hand-waved meanwhile Sakura is put on a pedestal and judged like she is the worst character ever written. This is why I pick on Hinata a lot. To keep balance to this kind of abuse Sakura gets all the time.

 

In my view, this fandom is not significantly different. It just has the opposite problem. It convulses everytime someone says something negative to the point where I wonder how much hell I'll catch if I say something bad. Not to mention, how I see people constantly twist everything Hinata does into an insult.