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Posted 09 May 2013 - 12:14 PM

QUOTE (redragon88 @ May 9 2013, 02:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So?

What's the reason behind all this attention? I mean, 80% of her panel time since 615 is just saying "Naruto-kun".

About her actions... I don't think it has anything to do with Neji. He just died there and she didn't even blink.
The only people who's been moved by Neji's death/words are obviously Naruto and Team Guy. That's why I wanna see more of them.

When alliance were on their way to battlefield Hinata's thoughts were all centered around Naruto and how she wants to stand next to him and hold his hand. Selfish desires. Sakura was the one talking about how everyone (not just her) will be with Naruto and help him. During the chakra transfer process where the hell Sakura was? And why Hinata's was the one carrying out Sakura's duties? That made me think maybe Kishi was planning to actually send Sakura to Tsunade, but then his plans dramatically changed. In any case it looks just like Hinata is trying to prove something to Naruto.. like she's the one for him or something... lol.

At this point in the story it's looks like a series of asspulls.

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 12:17 PM

QUOTE (Tauriel @ May 9 2013, 09:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What's the reason behind all this attention? I mean, 80% of her panel time since 615 is just saying "Naruto-kun".

About her actions... I don't think it has anything to do with Neji. He just died there and she didn't even blink.
The only people who's been moved by Neji's death/words are obviously Naruto and Team Guy. That's why I wanna see more of them.

When alliance were on their way to battlefield Hinata's thoughts were all centered around Naruto and how she wants to stand next to him and hold his hand. Selfish desires. Sakura was the one talking about how everyone (not just her) will be with Naruto and help him. During the chakra transfer process where the hell Sakura was? And why Hinata's was the one carrying out Sakura's duties? That made me think maybe Kishi was planning to actually send Sakura to Tsunade, but then his plans dramatically changed. In any case it looks just like Hinata is trying to prove something to Naruto.. like she's the one for him or something... lol.

At this point in the story it's looks like a series of asspulls.

This, asspulls even to give "development" to characters.
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Posted 09 May 2013 - 12:41 PM

Funny how this reminds me of the Pain Arc, the difference is that now Hinata has an army behind her. th_7eyytubokky7rehok1k.gif

Edited by Tauriel, 09 May 2013 - 12:41 PM.


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Posted 09 May 2013 - 12:45 PM

QUOTE (Tauriel @ May 9 2013, 05:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Funny how this reminds me of the Pain Arc, the difference is that now Hinata has an army behind her. th_7eyytubokky7rehok1k.gif


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Posted 09 May 2013 - 01:11 PM

QUOTE (Gravenimage @ May 9 2013, 06:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think Kishi realized his mistake in not developing Hinata's character after so long in the manga. This is the result he's doing in it all in one arc but there's no need to complain what else to expect from a side character??? Now I would like some development for Shino, Kiba and of course Tenten who hasn't had any at all since the beginning of the manga other than losing to Temari in the chunin exams.


Agree with this.
QUOTE (Tauriel @ May 9 2013, 06:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I couldn't care less about Hinata. I just don't like the fact that it's her who Kishi has to put in almost every chapter doing/saying something, while we get no panels of other, more important characters.

That doesn't mean other people hate her appearance it just seem that we worry too much about NS that we want Hinata out of the way completely.
People should be happy that she is growing up and the Naruto-kun emphasis on her character is starting to decrease, of course there is her load fans that will start to overrate her appearance while saying nonsense about her being the Heroine and Sakura the side character, but honestly who cares it's just a fandom imagination thing just like the talk about Naruto stop liking Sakura since the summit and start developing feelings for Hinata, I bet that if we ignore the other fandom our concern about Hinata focus might also diminish.

QUOTE (redragon88 @ May 9 2013, 07:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well, if we're being honest there has also been some emphasis on Chouji too. He appeared in the last chapter and in this one commenting about Naruto protecting them.

For all we know Kishi isn't really putting too much thought on the situation. Maybe he just put Hinata there because it felt appropriate at that moment. Sometimes characters appear just for the sake of appearing. It's not always some grand plan.

Not only him the problem is that Kishi focus sometimes start with a character and it seems that he refuse to draw another character equally, but I will say that Choji focus and Team 10 focus was so big that until the date I have not read that part of the Manga I kept avoiding to read any chapter that was focus on them, Hinata hasn't came anyway near to that discomfort I felt when the Manga was focused on Team 10.


QUOTE (Atheck @ May 9 2013, 07:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Choji has been receiving an excessive amount of development as well. Presumably the reasoning for why no one has been commenting on it much is because of Kishi's present fixation on Hinata's endeavours in this fight. Beyond the confines of Team 7, Choji and his squad have been receiving the greatest amount of focus of anyone in the K11 since Part 2 began. If Kishi were to alternate to another segment group of the rookies, excluding Sakura herself, it might be reasonable to allow Team Guy and the rest of Team 8 the opportunity to exhibit some of their own capabilities both physically and mentally. This should not be an exclusive opportunity for Hinata. The fight with Jubi and Madara may in fact be the final possibility that any of the rookies have to receive some amount of screen time. Kishi should not be reserving it for the benefit of a single character.



This is equally possible. Kishi has alluded to his writing style being of a somewhat impulsive process back during an interview when the Kage Summit arc was occurring. Some components of the manga he has had planned since the beginning but for others he creates it as time passes. Still, if his present desire is to establish Hinata as a more significant character than the other rookies then he's going to receive criticism from proponents and fans of other characters who wish to have more development dedicated to their respective favourites.

This is my only problem with Kishi, he doesn't know how to balance the focus equally among the Rookies minus team 7. I don't know if this has anything to do with laziness or character popularity.

QUOTE (Branden @ May 9 2013, 08:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I take it you really don't like Hinata.

I bet if this were Lee encouraging and protecting Naruto so that his Rival wouldn't have died in vain nobody would be complaining. I bet you would all cheer him on in fact. But no, since it's Hinata everything is forced and bad writing.

This has a lot to do with NS and Hinata/NH being a treat to some, other character has been getting a huge focus that overshadow the main character to a point where we wonder if the story should've named something else, while others just loves mucking Naruto for not being main focus in his own story.

Edited by Don-kun, 09 May 2013 - 01:15 PM.


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Posted 09 May 2013 - 01:25 PM

@Don-kun
I don't think she's a threat. I'm not worried about NS either.. I'm confident that the final pairing is indeed NaruSaku.

You see it's just that everyone from Konoha 11 (excluding Hinata and probably Shino) had a good development both in Part I and Part II. The problem is that Kishi decided to give her development at the end of the story, out of the blue and with a not-so-good base.

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 01:26 PM

QUOTE (Tauriel @ May 9 2013, 10:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
@Don-kun
I don't think she's a threat. I'm not worried about NS either.. I'm confident that the final pairing is indeed NaruSaku.

You see it's just that everyone from Konoha 11 (excluding Hinata and probably Shino) had a good development both in Part I and Part II. The problem is that Kishi decided to give her development at the end of the story, out of the blue and with a not-so-good base.

This, which is basically what me, you , James,Codus,zacra and a lot of other people.
Nothing to do with NS or pairings.

Seconded.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 09 May 2013 - 01:32 PM.

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 01:33 PM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ May 9 2013, 04:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This, which is basically what me, you , James,Codus,zacra and a lot of other people.
Nothing to do with NS or pairings.

Seconded.

It's nice to have people who share the same opinion. grouphug.gif

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 01:44 PM

hmmm....

Okay so I have been reading comments and come up with a few thought processes. Some say this is Hinata's character coming to a close and I thought to myself how can this be true? If it really was her character coming to close wouldn't it revolve NaruHina with it either being canon or Hinata accepting that she won't be with him? (From what us fans want to believe is that her character ends with NH being canon or not. Sadly, this is Kishi's fault because he made her nothing more than pairing fodder.) This can be taken two ways in that if this Hinata's character coming to a close and NH is still not canon, then it will never be canon no matter what happens. This is going off the basis that even when many claimed that 615 was such a huge pro NaruHina moment, it seems to have fallen into nothing. It hasn't been brought up again lately and it has made no impact on NH at all. Just looking at Naruto himself confirms that this kind of interaction has not made Naruto see Hinata any differently. He still sees her as the same girl as he did before and thinks nothing more of it. I still think that chapter when he told her that she was strong on her own was the moment he denied her love, but this is just me.

Anyway, The other possible outcome is that this is forcing NH to come to pass, but wouldn't it be considered canon already if that were true? We at the NS agree that we know no pairing will become canon until the end, if Kishi ever picks one at all, but this works on NH side as well. For all the talk NH fans and some other fans say how important 615 and this chapter make, it hasn't made any pairing any more canon than the other and this we have to remember.

This chapter with Hinata standing on the field again ready to take another bullet is really starting to be cliche even for this manga. It is not heroic anymore and it is starting to lose its luster when basically everyone has taken a bullet for Naruto by now. So what else is new? If this is development for Hinata to be more than just pairing fodder I have to say to Kishi "Too little, too late." All this, as some have said, is coming out of no where and happening so fast it feels so forced. If this happened over the course of the manga even just in the beginning of part 2, then maybe this would have been more acceptable. Hinata fans will disagree with me, but then some are so blind to everything I am not sure if they understand even if I try to explain.

Again, I look to Naruto and his reaction. Even Sakura is taking a risk being next to him in the front lines so just because she is healing doesn't mean she isn't doing something important or not in danger. She is just as brave to care more about Naruto than herself and Hinata fans would say the same about Hinata right now as well. Just look at Naruto's reaction again...he doesn't see just Hinata or just Sakura. He sees everyone. He sees his friends risking their lives for him and he realizes that he is not alone. He saw this with Neji too.

We the fans do have one problem: We are so busy looking at what Sakura or Hinata do that we neglect to see Naruto's reaction. This chapter doesn't have Naruto saying "Oh wow, Hinata is so brave. She is so cool. I think I love her" or even "Sakura is so special risking so much for me." (Although arguably, he has done stuff like the second part in the past, but we are just looking at now.) We the fans can think of everything and anything about any character, but I want to see what Naruto thinks more often. He is the only one whose thoughts really matter in the end of this pairing war. The impacts these characters make on Naruto matter and how he reacts to them create so much more than just what Hinata or Sakura does.

In mangapanda, it is translated as "Everyone..." on mangastream it is "You guys..." He is not just reacting to what one person does, he is reacting to what everyone is doing. Unless Naruto specifically reacts in such a way that applies that Naruto might be changing his feelings for Hinata, she can do anything and it won't matter. It has been shown that Sakura has been changing her feelings from Sasuke to Naruto and we can see where she changes. We can point them out. Can anyone point out the moment where Naruto might have been having second thoughts and change to Hinata? No. I can't think of one moment. Not even 615.

One problem that we still have is Kishimoto who is unwilling to close out any of the pairings at all. Although SS might as well be dead he still throws in those red herrings that imply otherwise. This gets on my nerves above all else to the point that I want to tell Kishi: "Pick something and stick with it. It's getting really boring and nerve racking every time you decide to tease like that."

As for some saying they wish to see Sakura take a bullet for Naruto for him to see how much she cares...I don't know if it will do it. Again, seeing how Kishi keeps wanting to NOT conclude any pairings yet he will make Naruto react in a way that is so ambiguous you won't know 100% even if he does do it. Same with 615 where Naruto focused more on Neji than Hinata.

This is all pairing teases in a nutshell and fan reactions.
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Plus, if I may say, taking the bullet is getting very cliche in the manga. Like I said, so many have taken so many bullets for Naruto that it is getting tiresome. What else can Kishi do to make something like that more impactful? The only way I can see it working effectively is if it was in a way that really showed something. If Sakura stood in the middle of Naruto vs Sasuke fight to where she was willing to fight for Naruto, tell him she loves him, and then take the bullet would definitely be more impactful. Just taking the bullet itself is not enough anymore. Some will say this will be like a repeat to the Pain arc and while I would say "it is" there is one thing that makes it different: It is the single most important battle in Naruto's life and he is very close with both people. With the Pein arc he barely knew Hinata and knew nothing of Pein. We saw how he reacted to that, imagine the reaction he would at this one.

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 01:53 PM

I think its just a matter of what we have come to know from a character and what they went through.

The only case some would have with Hinata is, what development we have seen with her, its just too limited for whats been happening recently with sudden shifts here and there. Otherwise for the sake of her ending in leadership and confidence, thats fine. Hinata's development more or less will end before team 7s. Naruto, Sakura, Sasuke, and Kakashi still have a story full of development. Not to mention Naruto and Sakura gain interaction long as Sasuke is still not dealt with.

It may be at this point, many should not expect anything huge from Hinata like 615 if Neji, her only other correlative character aside from Naruto, died. Still have not seen any romantic stuff from Naruto towards Hinata either and Sakura still has a role to do as well. Many other minor characters like Lee, Choji, and Ino got the development they needed. Shikamaru especially.

All the actions from the shinobi alliance this time are just building on what Naruto said about not having them around was bad last chapter. At this point though, kinda happy Sakura is technically a VIP for the fight, she needs time to heal Naruto while Naruto recovers his chakra for another bout. Well they are right by each other now, people have speculated they may have a small talk. I mean I believe NS will happen, Naruto and Sakura can develop more but until Sasuke comes, they cannot complete it. Guess I'm just glad that in 628 and 629, we see more of stuff from Sakura to Naruto we know well by now, her concern and faith in him, even going to heal him when he would not expect it. It may be possible Sakura's event can be coming up. Otherwise she will definitely have one around Naruto vs. Sasuke. She may get the Tsunade interaction as well, not sure but Tsunade's death would impact her.

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 02:07 PM

QUOTE (James S Cassidy @ May 9 2013, 02:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
hmmm....

Okay so I have been reading comments and come up with a few thought processes. Some say this is Hinata's character coming to a close and I thought to myself how can this be true? If it really was her character coming to close wouldn't it revolve NaruHina with it either being canon or Hinata accepting that she won't be with him? (From what us fans want to believe is that her character ends with NH being canon or not. Sadly, this is Kishi's fault because he made her nothing more than pairing fodder.) This can be taken two ways in that if this Hinata's character coming to a close and NH is still not canon, then it will never be canon no matter what happens. This is going off the basis that even when many claimed that 615 was such a huge pro NaruHina moment, it seems to have fallen into nothing. It hasn't been brought up again lately and it has made no impact on NH at all. Just looking at Naruto himself confirms that this kind of interaction has not made Naruto see Hinata any differently. He still sees her as the same girl as he did before and thinks nothing more of it. I still think that chapter when he told her that she was strong on her own was the moment he denied her love, but this is just me.

Anyway, The other possible outcome is that this is forcing NH to come to pass, but wouldn't it be considered canon already if that were true? We at the NS agree that we know no pairing will become canon until the end, if Kishi ever picks one at all, but this works on NH side as well. For all the talk NH fans and some other fans say how important 615 and this chapter make, it hasn't made any pairing any more canon than the other and this we have to remember.

This chapter with Hinata standing on the field again ready to take another bullet is really starting to be cliche even for this manga. It is not heroic anymore and it is starting to lose its luster when basically everyone has taken a bullet for Naruto by now. So what else is new? If this is development for Hinata to be more than just pairing fodder I have to say to Kishi "Too little, too late." All this, as some have said, is coming out of no where and happening so fast it feels so forced. If this happened over the course of the manga even just in the beginning of part 2, then maybe this would have been more acceptable. Hinata fans will disagree with me, but then some are so blind to everything I am not sure if they understand even if I try to explain.

Again, I look to Naruto and his reaction. Even Sakura is taking a risk being next to him in the front lines so just because she is healing doesn't mean she isn't doing something important or not in danger. She is just as brave to care more about Naruto than herself and Hinata fans would say the same about Hinata right now as well. Just look at Naruto's reaction again...he doesn't see just Hinata or just Sakura. He sees everyone. He sees his friends risking their lives for him and he realizes that he is not alone. He saw this with Neji too.

We the fans do have one problem: We are so busy looking at what Sakura or Hinata do that we neglect to see Naruto's reaction. This chapter doesn't have Naruto saying "Oh wow, Hinata is so brave. She is so cool. I think I love her" or even "Sakura is so special risking so much for me." (Although arguably, he has done stuff like the second part in the past, but we are just looking at now.) We the fans can think of everything and anything about any character, but I want to see what Naruto thinks more often. He is the only one whose thoughts really matter in the end of this pairing war. The impacts these characters make on Naruto matter and how he reacts to them create so much more than just what Hinata or Sakura does.

In mangapanda, it is translated as "Everyone..." on mangastream it is "You guys..." He is not just reacting to what one person does, he is reacting to what everyone is doing. Unless Naruto specifically reacts in such a way that applies that Naruto might be changing his feelings for Hinata, she can do anything and it won't matter. It has been shown that Sakura has been changing her feelings from Sasuke to Naruto and we can see where she changes. We can point them out. Can anyone point out the moment where Naruto might have been having second thoughts and change to Hinata? No. I can't think of one moment. Not even 615.

One problem that we still have is Kishimoto who is unwilling to close out any of the pairings at all. Although SS might as well be dead he still throws in those red herrings that imply otherwise. This gets on my nerves above all else to the point that I want to tell Kishi: "Pick something and stick with it. It's getting really boring and nerve racking every time you decide to tease like that."

As for some saying they wish to see Sakura take a bullet for Naruto for him to see how much she cares...I don't know if it will do it. Again, seeing how Kishi keeps wanting to NOT conclude any pairings yet he will make Naruto react in a way that is so ambiguous you won't know 100% even if he does do it. Same with 615 where Naruto focused more on Neji than Hinata.

This is all pairing teases in a nutshell and fan reactions.

Plus, if I may say, taking the bullet is getting very cliche in the manga. Like I said, so many have taken so many bullets for Naruto that it is getting tiresome. What else can Kishi do to make something like that more impactful? The only way I can see it working effectively is if it was in a way that really showed something. If Sakura stood in the middle of Naruto vs Sasuke fight to where she was willing to fight for Naruto, tell him she loves him, and then take the bullet would definitely be more impactful. Just taking the bullet itself is not enough anymore. Some will say this will be like a repeat to the Pain arc and while I would say "it is" there is one thing that makes it different: It is the single most important battle in Naruto's life and he is very close with both people. With the Pein arc he barely knew Hinata and knew nothing of Pein. We saw how he reacted to that, imagine the reaction he would at this one.


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Posted 09 May 2013 - 02:31 PM

QUOTE (Tauriel @ May 9 2013, 09:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
@Don-kun
I don't think she's a threat. I'm not worried about NS either.. I'm confident that the final pairing is indeed NaruSaku.

You see it's just that everyone from Konoha 11 (excluding Hinata and probably Shino) had a good development both in Part I and Part II. The problem is that Kishi decided to give her development at the end of the story, out of the blue and with a not-so-good base.


But we need to remember that she has fans fans who wish for a more outgoing and confident Hinata, fans who don't want her only being Naruto's satellite (AKA Japan fans).
Japan fans to what I could gather loved AU Hinata, west fandom hated that AU Hinata why because the love the submissive Hinata the shy one who is constantly thinking about Naruto all the times, but has the story progress we all knew Hinata would change from that shy girl who only lives of Naruto's strength. Kishi is trying to make a more confident Hinata in the eyes of the readers on her fandom, there is no way of doing that without giving her some panel time.
To believe that fans in the west are saying that if NH doesn't happen Hinata might end her life, I might not love the focus on her character but I believe she needed to grow out from her one dimensional character, plus I highly believe that if Neji is brought back it will be another dagger on NH's already obvious unlikeness.

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 02:34 PM

I agree with you James. As I said before Hinata's happy ending doesn't have to be her getting together with Naruto. The fact Naruto has NEVER shown any romantic interests in her proves her ending won't be" pairing related" which means NH is much a pairing made from smoke and mirrors just like SS. Her happy ending will be her ruling over the Hyuuga clan and doing it in a new way without relying on past traditions, I already mentioned she will get rid of the bird cage seal that is place on branch members, she will try to die down the hatred the branch has for the main branch and uniting both branches into one revolutionizing the clan into a better one. Her new leaderships skills as been shown through her development means she will take that path. It will be up to Kishi if he wishes to see her getting married with a branch member (I will lol if he chooses Kou the Hyuuga who was with her during the Pain arc, the person nobody suspected will be her pairing laugh.gif).

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 02:51 PM

For the people saying that two panels in this chapter constitute an overabundance of Hinata, and that the development isn't earned, I think there are 3 paths the storyteller could have taken:
1) Not show Hinata at all
2) Show her a little (like 2 panels out of 19 pages), and assume that there is more going on in her life off-panel
3) Actually spend the time to show the character development (like an entire chapter or two), to set up the 2 panels in this chapter

I shouldn't be so hard on those who would like to see a little more organic storytelling for Hinata's character, but the alternatives (1 or 3) would be a lot worse.

And just to add a little more snark wink.gif ...
If this scene is a parallel to the Pein arc, does that mean that Hinata, who doesn't have a plan, will get the army behind her killed or knocked unconscious without accomplishing anything? That is very brave, but not very heroic.

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 02:54 PM

QUOTE (RedDelicious @ May 9 2013, 11:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
For the people saying that two panels in this chapter constitute an overabundance of Hinata, and that the development isn't earned, I think there are 3 paths the storyteller could have taken:
1) Not show Hinata at all
2) Show her a little (like 2 panels out of 19 pages), and assume that there is more going on in her life off-panel
3) Actually spend the time to show the character development (like an entire chapter or two), to set up the 2 panels in this chapter

I shouldn't be so hard on those who would like to see a little more organic storytelling for Hinata's character, but the alternatives (1 or 3) would be a lot worse.

And just to add a little more snark wink.gif ...
If this scene is a parallel to the Pein arc, does that mean that Hinata, who doesn't have a plan, will get the army behind her killed or knocked unconscious without accomplishing anything? That is very brave, but not very heroic.

Or instead of showing a lot of useless panels about the juubi could have added two pages with flashbacks between Neji and Hinata with Neji saying something to her related to her supposed development.
Like he did with Shikamaru and his father.

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 03:01 PM

QUOTE (Don-kun @ May 9 2013, 05:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
But we need to remember that she has fans fans who wish for a more outgoing and confident Hinata, fans who don't want her only being Naruto's satellite (AKA Japan fans).
Japan fans to what I could gather loved AU Hinata, west fandom hated that AU Hinata why because the love the submissive Hinata the shy one who is constantly thinking about Naruto all the times, but has the story progress we all knew Hinata would change from that shy girl who only lives of Naruto's strength. Kishi is trying to make a more confident Hinata in the eyes of the readers on her fandom, there is no way of doing that without giving her some panel time.
To believe that fans in the west are saying that if NH doesn't happen Hinata might end her life, I might not love the focus on her character but I believe she needed to grow out from her one dimensional character, plus I highly believe that if Neji is brought back it will be another dagger on NH's already obvious unlikeness.

I don't want to offend anyone's feelings, but for me it's sometimes hard to understand Japanese. They're pretty good in inventing and loving crazy stuff. No wonder that they loved yandere Hinata. Oh well, I guess it's just because of different cultural environments we live in.

You know what.. I think that if she put at least 10% of her energy into something not regarding her and Naruto = threw those selfish motives off and remembered Neji, who basically was the one who cared for her so much, always protecting her, etc. that would be acceptable. I actually was hoping to see something like this. Just like Obito who started this war not just because of Rin (which is good to know), I'd like Hinata and most of the things regarding her not to be solely fixed on Naruto. It's just damaging her character.

I see things this way: people's love or hatred towards certain characters in 70% of cases is their author's responsibility.

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 03:06 PM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ May 9 2013, 06:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Or instead of showing a lot of useless panels about the juubi could have added two pages with flashbacks between Neji and Hinata with Neji saying something to her related to her supposed development.
Like he did with Shikamaru and his father.


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Posted 09 May 2013 - 03:17 PM

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I agree with you James. As I said before Hinata's happy ending doesn't have to be her getting together with Naruto. The fact Naruto has NEVER shown any romantic interests in her proves her ending won't be" pairing related" which means NH is much a pairing made from smoke and mirrors just like SS. Her happy ending will be her ruling over the Hyuuga clan and doing it in a new way without relying on past traditions, I already mentioned she will get rid of the bird cage seal that is place on branch members, she will try to die down the hatred the branch has for the main branch and uniting both branches into one revolutionizing the clan into a better one. Her new leaderships skills as been shown through her development means she will take that path. It will be up to Kishi if he wishes to see her getting married with a branch member (I will lol if he chooses Kou the Hyuuga who was with her during the Pain arc, the person nobody suspected will be her pairing laugh.gif).


Agreed. This is something I wanted for Hinata since the beginning. Unlike what some believe I didn't hate Hinata when I first saw her. I just wanted more for her, but Kishi keeps her stuck with the pairing wars. If she is leading the Hyuuga clan, this does not bother me as it was something I always wanted for her. Although I do agree this should have been done earlier in the manga, this is something I wanted from the beginning.


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Posted 09 May 2013 - 03:21 PM

QUOTE (James S Cassidy @ May 9 2013, 09:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
hmmm....

Okay so I have been reading comments and come up with a few thought processes. Some say this is Hinata's character coming to a close and I thought to myself how can this be true? If it really was her character coming to close wouldn't it revolve NaruHina with it either being canon or Hinata accepting that she won't be with him? (From what us fans want to believe is that her character ends with NH being canon or not. Sadly, this is Kishi's fault because he made her nothing more than pairing fodder.) This can be taken two ways in that if this Hinata's character coming to a close and NH is still not canon, then it will never be canon no matter what happens. This is going off the basis that even when many claimed that 615 was such a huge pro NaruHina moment, it seems to have fallen into nothing. It hasn't been brought up again lately and it has made no impact on NH at all. Just looking at Naruto himself confirms that this kind of interaction has not made Naruto see Hinata any differently. He still sees her as the same girl as he did before and thinks nothing more of it. I still think that chapter when he told her that she was strong on her own was the moment he denied her love, but this is just me.

Anyway, The other possible outcome is that this is forcing NH to come to pass, but wouldn't it be considered canon already if that were true? We at the NS agree that we know no pairing will become canon until the end, if Kishi ever picks one at all, but this works on NH side as well. For all the talk NH fans and some other fans say how important 615 and this chapter make, it hasn't made any pairing any more canon than the other and this we have to remember.

This chapter with Hinata standing on the field again ready to take another bullet is really starting to be cliche even for this manga. It is not heroic anymore and it is starting to lose its luster when basically everyone has taken a bullet for Naruto by now. So what else is new? If this is development for Hinata to be more than just pairing fodder I have to say to Kishi "Too little, too late." All this, as some have said, is coming out of no where and happening so fast it feels so forced. If this happened over the course of the manga even just in the beginning of part 2, then maybe this would have been more acceptable. Hinata fans will disagree with me, but then some are so blind to everything I am not sure if they understand even if I try to explain.

Again, I look to Naruto and his reaction. Even Sakura is taking a risk being next to him in the front lines so just because she is healing doesn't mean she isn't doing something important or not in danger. She is just as brave to care more about Naruto than herself and Hinata fans would say the same about Hinata right now as well. Just look at Naruto's reaction again...he doesn't see just Hinata or just Sakura. He sees everyone. He sees his friends risking their lives for him and he realizes that he is not alone. He saw this with Neji too.

We the fans do have one problem: We are so busy looking at what Sakura or Hinata do that we neglect to see Naruto's reaction. This chapter doesn't have Naruto saying "Oh wow, Hinata is so brave. She is so cool. I think I love her" or even "Sakura is so special risking so much for me." (Although arguably, he has done stuff like the second part in the past, but we are just looking at now.) We the fans can think of everything and anything about any character, but I want to see what Naruto thinks more often. He is the only one whose thoughts really matter in the end of this pairing war. The impacts these characters make on Naruto matter and how he reacts to them create so much more than just what Hinata or Sakura does.

In mangapanda, it is translated as "Everyone..." on mangastream it is "You guys..." He is not just reacting to what one person does, he is reacting to what everyone is doing. Unless Naruto specifically reacts in such a way that applies that Naruto might be changing his feelings for Hinata, she can do anything and it won't matter. It has been shown that Sakura has been changing her feelings from Sasuke to Naruto and we can see where she changes. We can point them out. Can anyone point out the moment where Naruto might have been having second thoughts and change to Hinata? No. I can't think of one moment. Not even 615.

One problem that we still have is Kishimoto who is unwilling to close out any of the pairings at all. Although SS might as well be dead he still throws in those red herrings that imply otherwise. This gets on my nerves above all else to the point that I want to tell Kishi: "Pick something and stick with it. It's getting really boring and nerve racking every time you decide to tease like that."

As for some saying they wish to see Sakura take a bullet for Naruto for him to see how much she cares...I don't know if it will do it. Again, seeing how Kishi keeps wanting to NOT conclude any pairings yet he will make Naruto react in a way that is so ambiguous you won't know 100% even if he does do it. Same with 615 where Naruto focused more on Neji than Hinata.

This is all pairing teases in a nutshell and fan reactions.

Plus, if I may say, taking the bullet is getting very cliche in the manga. Like I said, so many have taken so many bullets for Naruto that it is getting tiresome. What else can Kishi do to make something like that more impactful? The only way I can see it working effectively is if it was in a way that really showed something. If Sakura stood in the middle of Naruto vs Sasuke fight to where she was willing to fight for Naruto, tell him she loves him, and then take the bullet would definitely be more impactful. Just taking the bullet itself is not enough anymore. Some will say this will be like a repeat to the Pain arc and while I would say "it is" there is one thing that makes it different: It is the single most important battle in Naruto's life and he is very close with both people. With the Pein arc he barely knew Hinata and knew nothing of Pein. We saw how he reacted to that, imagine the reaction he would at this one.

Great post.

Well, I just think the problem is that Hinata hasn't gotten developments until this arc, along with more Team 10, Lee, and so on. Pain Arc sets up for it, but it will be another 2 arcs of waiting. The point is that Kishi took a long time and thought to himself that he could close many characters' developments by having all in one arc, which is Hinata got 2 in here: the conclusion to Pain Arc action and the shining moment in the battlefield. To me, this chapter is just showing how Naruto's friends are still willing to protect him, even without Kyuubi's chakra, and with the addition of losing men in the alliance, they are still not giving up. That said the problem is that Naruto has to recover his health and Kyuubi's chakra, so to me, this is saying that these defense are about to get knocked out or killed, though for Hinata, knocked out. I feel like because of Sakura being close to Naruto, it's an excuse for everyone to be wiped out except these and just maybe a very few men, because when it comes to down it, Hinata and others are playing a wall for Naruto but if you destroy that wall, then you have Naruto/Sakura left standing, meaning Hinata is asking for danger as Naruto recovering. That's how I saw this chapter.

For the record, in my opinion, I always thought words against the enemy for his/her friends are more effective than taking a bullet, because taking a bullet is an action that you do it to protect your friend in danger, but again, it needs to be in the battlefield. When you talk back at the enemy who is trying to hurt your friend, I always find it effective because this can occur not only in battlefield, but in normal daily life situation. You're doing it to protect your friend's inner thoughts/feelings, and not it's not just his life/death situation. Funny, because when you get down to it, Hinata got no true involvement with the plot because she never really talk to the enemy that hurts him or even acknowledge it. Pain is like "Well, another one bite the dust" instead of like "Well, who do you hell you think you're talking to? Naruto can't win" In short, she never got connected with the enemy, just Naruto. While good, at least understand what you up against or acknowledge it. Sakura got involve because Naruto's feelings was being tackled by his enemies and she knows how much it hurts him. It's still funny how everyone is still thinking, "Thanks to these chakra, we survived" only to say, "Crap, we have no more. We protect him now!" Sakura just thought the possibility of what's doing to him in the long run and so far, it's happening quickly.

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 03:40 PM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ May 9 2013, 07:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Great post.


Thank you.

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Well, I just think the problem is that Hinata hasn't gotten developments until this arc, along with more Team 10, Lee, and so on. Pain Arc sets up for it, but it will be another 2 arcs of waiting. The point is that Kishi took a long time and thought to himself that he could close many characters' developments by having all in one arc, which is Hinata got 2 in here: the conclusion to Pain Arc action and the shining moment in the battlefield. To me, this chapter is just showing how Naruto's friends are still willing to protect him, even without Kyuubi's chakra, and with the addition of losing men in the alliance, they are still not giving up. That said the problem is that Naruto has to recover his health and Kyuubi's chakra, so to me, this is saying that these defense are about to get knocked out or killed, though for Hinata, knocked out. I feel like because of Sakura being close to Naruto, it's an excuse for everyone to be wiped out except these and just maybe a very few men, because when it comes to down it, Hinata and others are playing a wall for Naruto but if you destroy that wall, then you have Naruto/Sakura left standing, meaning Hinata is asking for danger as Naruto recovering. That's how I saw this chapter.


I agree with you about this chapter, but we still have fans looking at it in ways that are not meant to be seen and it's getting hard to see where the problem is. Is it the fans seeing it the wrong way or is it a product of bad writing? The chapter itself may not be bad writing, but given that some chapters were rushed and pushed out the door with these weird occurrences that has made chapters like this one now to be taken wrong. Even among us NS fans, some of us think this is one more Hinata panel and attention wh---ing or Hinata being the bigger heroic or the third being how me and you see it. (And anyone who agrees too.)

It's just getting...out of hand at times because you don't know where the problem really is half the time and eventually you realize everyone is to blame. It has really come to a point where I wish Kishi would just play straight for once because it is getting out of hand.

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For the record, in my opinion, I always thought words against the enemy for his/her friends are more effective than taking a bullet, because taking a bullet is an action that you do it to protect your friend in danger, but again, it needs to be in the battlefield. When you talk back at the enemy who is trying to hurt your friend, I always find it effective because this can occur not only in battlefield, but in normal daily life situation. You're doing it to protect your friend's inner thoughts/feelings, and not it's not just his life/death situation. Funny, because when you get down to it, Hinata got no true involvement with the plot because she never really talk to the enemy that hurts him or even acknowledge it. Pain is like "Well, another one bite the dust" instead of like "Well, who do you hell you think you're talking to? Naruto can't win" In short, she never got connected with the enemy, just Naruto. While good, at least understand what you up against or acknowledge it. Sakura got involve because Naruto's feelings was being tackled by his enemies and she knows how much it hurts him. It's still funny how everyone is still thinking, "Thanks to these chakra, we survived" only to say, "Crap, we have no more. We protect him now!" Sakura just thought the possibility of what's doing to him in the long run and so far, it's happening quickly.


Yeah I see what you mean. Still it just proves how it is not what you do, but how you execute it. How is it set up and compare to previous chapters? This is why Sakura makes a huge impact on Naruto and not so much for Hinata as you pointed out. So in theory you could repeat the same exact scene like the Pein arc, but because you replace Pein with Sasuke and Hinata with Sakura...it could make the entire moment that much more impactful.

Let's just hope Kishi doesn't screw up or miss out on that opportunity yeah?

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