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[Chatte]

meh, be honest here... he hasn't just ruined Sakura only after this chapter... I would wait until the end of this battle. He promised that our favourite characters will shine. But I understand your angry anyway. This man just likes to playing up with us, as always.

Men, I've really a huge patience towards this man. I hope that one day he'll give me back

It's too late. For Sakura to have had a bigger impact, he should've put her in every arc with some significant importance. Yet he brushed her away. Hinata is making a bigger impact though she appears just few panels.
Ino as well.
Come on now...
We like it or now, he can't repair Sakura's character any longer. Everyone has been fighting against the Juubi and Madara and Tobi.
Where's Sakura? What big impact has she done? That she healed Kakashi and helped Darui? Any med ninja can do that.
Ino has trapped Tobi in her jutsu, Hinata gave a pep-talk to the hero and reinforced his belief, then deflected the damn juubi thing.
These things are crucial.
Where is Sakura?
Nowhere to be seen.

I think the disappointment comes from the fact that we kept theorizing how Sakura was gonna come and heal Naruto's shoulder ever since we saw him complain about it.

This is the danger of putting your expectations to high. In the end it actually made sense for Hinata to do it, but since we want to see Sakura be involved so much in the fight we can't help but come up with scenarios.

Sakura will have a role. Her absence is way to notable. Kishi is doing it on purpose. And something to take note of is that the last time we saw her was when she looked at Hinata encouraging Naruto. This all seems to fishy.

Sakura's speech in 573 would be too much of a contradiction of she just stayed in the background.

For me it's not the theories. I just want something significant for her. Even if it's a pep talk, that surprinsigly, Hinata did. It's just...ugh!
On purpose or not, he's ruining her character.

He has ruined a lot more than that.

The only love he has been given anything to is Hinata. Every other character, even Naruto himself, has been shelved recently. I don't just mean in terms of attentions, but character development.

It's still very sad that, to me, in order for Hinata to look better he has to make every other character look worse.

However, whining is not going to make what I want come any quicker which is why I am taking it easy and just waiting.

But others don't care, because Naruto is the hero and will save the day at the end. He is allowed to break down. It is important who's there with him to bump up the morale.
And guess who was?
I know whining won't make things better but I just can't take it anymore, really.

I get what your saying about ruining Sakura but I think he can still fix it, the main thing is that it's not only Sakura that is missing but also Sai. In otherwords the remaining members of team 7, Sakura may well have gone to see Tsunade maybe Sai was also reverse summoned although unlikely I still think there must be something big that will happen with Sakura's character. Overall I think this chapter is primarily aimed at Lee's development it just so happened that Hinata was next to Naruto when his shoulder was dislocated even though I admit it is strange she knew it was dislocated... It would have been much worse if it had shown Sakura just standing there and then have Hinata fix Naruto's shoulder, so we should all be glad that didn't happen!

Overall just read the next coming chapters without expecting too much and if Sakura does appear and does happen to do something big then it would be like a nice surprise right?

To me, not really. Because I always have to say "It's ok, next chapter, next chapter".
No! She's the damn heroine!
I know that it was for Lee, however, Hinata is there, TenTen is there, Ino is there. Everyone is there. Except her.
I won't just forget Kishi excusing him with "the next chapter" no.
It won't be a nice surprise. It will be something like FINALLY!
A nice surprise would've been something in-between when things weren't to be expected...
Hell, we've got so bad that we have to crave for Sakura panel? Really Kishi?
I am so disappointed I can't tell in words!
And I am quite busy now cause else, my rant would be even bigger.

Edited by Chatte, 23 January 2013 - 01:06 PM.

[luffyq1]

It's too late. For Sakura to have had a bigger impact, he should've put her in every arc with some significant importance. Yet he brushed her away. Hinata is making a bigger impact though she appears just few panels.
Ino as well.
Come on now...
We like it or now, he can't repair Sakura's character any longer. Everyone has been fighting against the Juubi and Madara and Tobi.
Where's Sakura? What big impact has she done? That she healed Kakashi and helped Darui? Any med ninja can do that.
Ino has trapped Tobi in her jutsu, Hinata gave a pep-talk to the hero and reinforced his belief, then deflected the damn juubi thing.
These things are crucial.
Where is Sakura?
Nowhere to be seen.

Exactly! I've been patient long enough. Been listening to excuses long enough. Enough with the BS, Kishi.

Edited by luffyq1, 23 January 2013 - 01:03 PM.

[Enkai]

He has ruined a lot more than that.

The only love he has been given anything to is Hinata. Every other character, even Naruto himself, has been shelved recently. I don't just mean in terms of attentions, but character development.

It's still very sad that, to me, in order for Hinata to look better he has to make every other character look worse.

However, whining is not going to make what I want come any quicker which is why I am taking it easy and just waiting.

Hmm well that is quite true I mean recently Hinata has been getting tons of development even though overall as chapters it has been little, in the manga her development probably spans at most 6-7 chapters? That is about 1% of the entire manga. Even though it sucks she is getting this much development and panel time as long as this is her final development and there won't be anymore after I think it isn't too bad. Hopefully now she won't have much more at most one or two chapters even that though I would say is pushing it. After that she will retract back in to her more side/supporting character role, well I'm hoping that is what will happen. I would say Sakura urgently needs development, Tsunade's death might be a good way to trigger it or something to do with Tsunade might be able to reveal a bit more behind what else Sakura is capable of doing.

[Tsubaki]

It's too late. For Sakura to have had a bigger impact, he should've put her in every arc with some significant importance. Yet he brushed her away. Hinata is making a bigger impact though she appears just few panels.
Ino as well.
Come on now...
We like it or now, he can't repair Sakura's character any longer. Everyone has been fighting against the Juubi and Madara and Tobi.
Where's Sakura? What big impact has she done? That she healed Kakashi and helped Darui? Any med ninja can do that.
Ino has trapped Tobi in her jutsu, Hinata gave a pep-talk to the hero and reinforced his belief, then deflected the damn juubi thing.
These things are crucial.
Where is Sakura?
Nowhere to be seen.

This! he has been neglecting her for so long that it seems difficult to find a way for him to get this fix now.

But while he neglects his heroine, he keeps giving heroine moments for secondary characters like Ino and Hinata.

The problem is not to give a great moment for Sakura, the problem is whether this will be enough for her to establish her ​​image as a heroine since side characters did more things in this war than she did.

[luffyq1]

This! he has been neglecting her for so long that it seems difficult to find a way for him to get this fix now.

But while he neglects his heroine, he keeps giving heroine moments for secondary characters like Ino and Hinata.

The problem is not to give a great moment for Sakura, the problem is whether this will be enough for her to establish her ​​image as a heroine since side characters did more things in this war than she did.

And if/when Sakura gets her moment to shine that separates her from the rest, I'm still labeling this as a terrible writing style.

[MoonStar]

Yep, I knew it. This is why I didn't say anything when Naruto went to give everyone else his chakra. This is why I didn't throw it in NH fans' faces. I already considered this happening. Sakura hasn't appeared since 615, the big NH moment that was 3 - 4 weeks ago. She didn't appear last chapter and neither did she appear today. Why would Naruto give his chakra to fodders and not his own teammate of all people? Not only did everyone but Sakura get shown this chapter (AGAIN), even Akamaru was shown, Hinata even performed medical aid on Naruto. Sakura's only unique ability.

You guys are probably already typing your replies of anger at this point, but you guys should realize we haven't just been waiting for Sakura to do something for a few weeks. We've been waiting for YEARS and Kishi has given any opportunity he could spare to Hinata while Sakura hasn't even shown up a single panel. Tell me what excuse there is for a regular to be sidelined to this extent. Kishi is proving what he did in chapter 615 wasn't just for show. He intends to make Hinata outshine Sakura in every way possible. You're gonna wait for 617 when the same thing happens yet again.

I've lost respect for him since he made Sakura fake confess to Naruto but now I'm starting to dislike him and despise Hinata.

Edited by MoonStar, 23 January 2013 - 01:15 PM.

[Chatte]

I really am about to drop the manga, really. I've just had it.
Not to mention that he doesn't give a damn about the Sakura fans, just because the others are louder.
Thanks, Kishi!
Writing a manga about peace, spreading hate because of your writing skills.
Congrats!

[Awes9]

And if/when Sakura gets her moment to shine that separates her from the rest, I'm still labeling this as a terrible writing style.

Yes who is he fooling anymore ? Lousy writing.

[ALESSE]

aww come on, dont get so down and mad people, i understand where your comming from.
There has to be a reason why sakura, and sai. We ve been through so many ups and downs that something like this bothering us is just absurd, but i do think your anger/rage/dissappoint/frustration/whater it is, is well justified. Lets just be patient and wait, this was LEE's chapter after all right. My prediction is that we will see something importnat from her and at the end of the day she just need a few panals to re establish herself. I do feel that she has been negleceted but kishi tends to do that with his main characters at times. I mean remember the whole asuma fiasco, my god he shoulda just changed the name of the manga for that arc to shikamaru. Then there was sasuke with his fights with diedera and leaving orochimaru blah blah blah. Its just how he writes. Most of us hate sasgay here so we dont really care for him, but dont you think that he's fans(as pathetic as they are) feel that hes been neglected the last couple of years. SHE WILL HAVE HER TIME. Kishi has a reason for everything and on top off all that he always trolls everything for aslong as he can before he gets the chains moving.... HES ALSO THE BIGGES TROLL OUT THERE. HE SAID THERE GONNA BE ALOT OF DRAMA. just be patient. Theres a reason kishi s manga is so popular is cause hes a good/ unique and at times irratating writer.

[Chatte]

I beg to differ a bit Alesse. Both Naruto and Sasuke got arcs and action on their own, Sakura on the other way, never.

[James S Cassidy]

But others don't care, because Naruto is the hero and will save the day at the end. He is allowed to break down. It is important who's there with him to bump up the morale.
And guess who was?
I know whining won't make things better but I just can't take it anymore, really.

What do you mean by "others?" You mean the other shipping fans or the other characters?

If you mean the other shipping fans well....

Makes me wonder if our bias is getting to us. Can the fandom be so biased that we don't care about anything else in the manga, but what our two pairing people do? Hinata got attention in one chapter and a panel in this one and it seems like people feel like she has been getting all this the entire time. Both sides I see too.

I know why you are angry and frustrated, but the fact is everyone has been mistreated lately and it's terrible. Yeah Sakura not getting the attention at the moment is degrading, but how much longer can Hinata get this attention? How long can she keep following Naruto? With the all more important Sasuke battle coming up, what kind of attention Hinata get then? In theory, none. She has no connection to Sasuke what so ever. If she were to butt in, again it would see forced and out of place.

The none shipping fans are reading this manga much differently and while the NH fan are dancing around a bonfire, everyone else is either confused or angry that all these characters are getting ignored and that NH is being a complete rush job at the moment.

Kishi has promised a lot of things that he has not done yet. Sakura was supposed to be the heroine and now he is ignoring her. Shikamaru was supposed to be the right hand man to Naruto and now Hinata seems to have been taking that role. No one is complaining or noticing anything else all because of bias with it and it is just sad to me. Its sad that people are more worried about their favorite characters getting a turn, but never question how they had to be given that.

It's not worth getting upset over anymore. It's really isn't. I don't want to subject myself to mini heartattacks every week.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 23 January 2013 - 01:27 PM.

[Chatte]

What do you mean by "others?" You mean the other shipping fans or the other characters?

If you mean the other shipping fans well....

Makes me wonder if our bias is getting to us. Can the fandom be so biased that we don't care about anything else in the manga, but what our two pairing people do? Hinata got attention in one chapter and a panel in this one and it seems like people feel like she has been getting all this the entire time. Both sides I see too.

I know why you are angry and frustrated, but the fact is everyone has been mistreated lately and it's terrible. Yeah Sakura not getting the attention at the moment is degrading, but how much longer can Hinata get this attention? How long can she keep following Naruto? With the all more important Sasuke battle coming up, what kind of attention Hinata get then? In theory, none. She has no connection to Sasuke what so ever. If she were to butt in, again it would see forced and out of place.

The none shipping fans are reading this manga much differently and while the NH fan are dancing around a bonfire, everyone else is either confused or angry that all these characters are getting ignored and that NH is being a complete rush job at the moment.

Kishi has promised a lot of things that he has not done yet. Sakura was supposed to be the heroine and now he is ignoring her. Shikamaru was supposed to be the right hand man to Naruto and now Hinata seems to have been taking that role. No one is complaining or noticing anything else all because of bias with it and it is just sad to me. Its sad that people are more worried about their favorite characters getting a turn, but never question how they had to be given that.

It's not worth getting upset over anymore. It's really isn't. I don't want to subject myself to mini heartattacks every week.

No James, not the pairing fans. I was talking about the others. You know that Sakura is hated from all the sides and so, we, as her fans are targeted.
This is not longer only about NaruHina fans.
But meh...

[Tsubaki]

And if/when Sakura gets her moment to shine that separates her from the rest, I'm still labeling this as a terrible writing style.

I think I'll wait to see what he'll do (IF he does something), But I think I'll come to the same conclusion as you... I can't stop to think that the damage is already done.

she is not a side character, she is the heroine. She shouldn't have to wait for a moment to shine like the others, she should be showing plaing a big role in this war since the beginning, but all that Kishi has done to her is put her aside for others to have a chance to shine!

the problem wasn't she wouldn't have appeared in this chapter, the problem is that Kishi is showing other people doing her job as heroine. It's frustrating!

[MoonStar]

Can anyone tell me the last time we had a decent pro-Sakura moment? This genuinely bothers me.

[六道仙人]

I think I'll wait to see what he'll do (IF he does something), But I think I'll come to the same conclusion as you... I can't stop to think that the damage is already done.

she is not a side character, she is the heroine. She shouldn't have to wait for a moment to shine like the others, she should be showing plaing a big role in this war since the beginning, but all that Kishi has done to her is put her aside for others to have a chance to shine!

the problem wasn't she wouldn't have appeared in this chapter, the problem is that Kishi is showing other people doing her job as heroine. It's frustrating!

It's frustrating but of course it's all a his purpose abouth Sakura's development... It's true that we're waiting for years a development regarding Sakura but all he's doing now is trying to save Sakura for later... Even if Sakura will shine at the end, could be a bad writing from the author but if he still have this purpose we must to deal that.

She's ruining Sakura from years, not only since from this chapter. We know that Kishi sometimes is a bad writer.

Edited by 六道仙人, 23 January 2013 - 01:40 PM.

[Chatte]

It's frustrating but of course it's all a his purpose abouth Sakura's development... It's true that we're waiting for years a development regarding Sakura but all he's doing now is trying to save Sakura for later... Even if Sakura will sine at the end, could be a bad writing from the author but if he still have this purpose we must to deal that.

She's ruining Sakura from years, not only since from this chapter. We know that Kishi sometimes is a bad writer.

Well hell of a character he chose to be a bad writer with!
Not to mention he has no time to make it good.
Next possible arc is Naruto vs Sasuke. And while I do have my beliefs, seeing how Kishi moves, it will be no Sakura.
Where is that Sakura year he's been talking about, after Kakashi's? Nowhere...

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Well hell of a character he chose to be a bad writer with!
Not to mention he has no time to make it good.
Next possible arc is Naruto vs Sasuke. And while I do have my beliefs, seeing how Kishi moves, it will be no Sakura.
Where is that Sakura year he's been talking about, after Kakashi's? Nowhere...

He can put Hinata to screw up everything but aside from the others, Sakura didnt got any real development on this arc yet.
But i dont expect her showing off the next chapters but she will show up, i dont think she will do something that will "save" the war or do something big, i think she will do on the next arc, the damage about her character is done since Kishi made her more weak than tsunade overall she's a medic ninja that cant fight, despite having skills to do so she is not allowed to fight.

[六道仙人]

Well hell of a character he chose to be a bad writer with!
Not to mention he has no time to make it good.
Next possible arc is Naruto vs Sasuke. And while I do have my beliefs, seeing how Kishi moves, it will be no Sakura.
Where is that Sakura year he's been talking about, after Kakashi's? Nowhere...

well, If i remember that well... he said that after Kakashi's year there will be that's Sakura.... And honestly, Kakashi's year still not finished since Obito's still here.

Everyone us are frustrating about this bad writing from Kishimoto. But I can't honestly believe that now he's just outshining Sakura in favor of the side female characters like Ino and Hinata. But reading for years Naruto, I learned to understand him little by little, how he works etc..

if I would to put some words to describe him i would dare say that "He is so predictable in his own unpredictability".

I always knew that Sakura wouldn't ever have her own arc like those naruto's/sasuke's. I always though that her development would concern her relationshipes with Naruto and Sasuke. The Same for Hinata with Naruto (she exist only with Naruto around her).

Edited by 六道仙人, 23 January 2013 - 01:50 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

well, If i remember that well... he said that after Kakashi's year there will be that's Sakura.... And honestly, Kakashi's year still not finished since Obito's still here.

Everyone us are frustrating about this bad writing from Kishimoto. But I can't honestly believe that now he's just outshining Sakura in favor of the side female characters like Ino and Hinata. But reading for years Naruto, I learned to understand him little by little, how he works etc..

if I would to put some words to describe him i would dare say that "He is so predictable in his own unpredictability".

I always knew that Sakura wouldn't ever have her own arc like those naruto's/sasuke's. I always though that her development would concern her relationshipes with Naruto and Sasuke. The Same for Hinata with Naruto (she exist only with Naruto around her).

Me too her development became about it, getting with Sasuke is retarded.
But sincerely i hope she go train with Katsuy on the next arc, deep inside we know she wants to help Naruto somehow maybe she will train to become a sage of slugs it's getting obvious because if Tsunade dies another girl has to learn the jutsus, the same way that the frog summoned Naruto maybe will be katsuy that will summon her.
BUt i dont have my expectations high.

[sushi.]

Hey guys, just got home from school. I read the chapter this morning. It was pretty descent. ^^

As for Sakura, I am not worried about her. I just..miss her. I miss seeing her thoughts, abilities and what she is really capable of. But ignoring her like this is not good writing, no matter what. She is not even in the group, I am very certain she is with Tsunade now. The only way Sakura's character can be redeemed now is if she is some kind of trump card. I'm just gonna sit on my butt, with my hands crossed, and think "Hmm, Kishi..you better show me something good. You are the one who needs to be redeemed. Bring it on, I am waiting."

It's not worth getting upset over anymore. It's really isn't. I don't want to subject myself to mini heartattacks every week.

This. Just this. I am not upset, but I will be heavily disappointed in Kishi if he never writes what he promised to. (He is even trying to write a character who never breaks promises! XD) I think he will keep them though, I dare to bet on him, because it's worth it. If he proves me wrong, I'll find out that this manga wasn't as good as I thought it was. Oh well, the series had so much potential, and potential is exactly what Kishi is wasting in so many ways.

Edited by sushi., 23 January 2013 - 02:04 PM.