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[Strangelove]

Alright


If Naruto and Sakura had a son, what happens if they're son has pink hair?


Discuss? Will he be made fun off because of his hair color?

[CloudMountainJuror]

Oh boy I can see this debate thread getting close again.

That's their decision. If they want to close it, then reopen it again later on and accomplish nothing by doing so, then let them. No loss on our part.

[Greed-Sama]

Wow. Nice. Again, Naruto was NOT in trouble (at least not as much as it seemed), They had other things to take care of and it was kittening WAR. Do you even get my analogy? What I said was that you don't rush in blindly if you don't have air support for the meantime. You retreat and trust the others who, and I repeat, actually have a chance at doing something and not make them hold back their strongest attacks or cloud their judgement by making them see utter bloodshed of their friends. Have you been to war? No? Exactly. It's easy to be all cheesy and emotional in a chair in a warm house, it's a completely different thing knowing the situation and knowing the world will be gone if you make one mistake. And yes, Hinata made a BIG mistake.

You don't want to debate? Don't. At least try to create honest arguments instead of coming blindly and asking dishonestly formulated questions to make yourself seem so smart. I've been there, and I can tell you that we're not fools. I can see your shots coming from a mile away.

Comparing a Shinobi war to a real life world is like comparing apples and oranges.

Obito, Kakashi, Rin, Minato...were involved in war. By your analogy, Kakashi should have left Rin to die, and Obito was a traitor.

[The Tax-Man]

Comparing a Shinobi war to a real life world is like comparing apples and oranges.

Obito, Kakashi, Rin, Minato...were involved in war. By your analogy, Kakashi should have left Rin to die, and Obito was a traitor.

Wut? No, but they weren't fighting someone they could never defeat. And never was there a much stronger person who could get rid of the enemies on his own. In this case, a real life situation applies somewhat.

Oh, and a pink haired boy would just be... off, somehow.

Edited by The Tax-Man, 14 April 2012 - 12:46 AM.

[FoolishYoungling]

Alright I'll make a new topic. It's not much, but we need something to talk about here other than this.

Okay, so one reason Jiraiya said he never could get Tsunade was because he knew that she had already lost people, and he didn't won't her falling in love with him, and then lose him as well. With that excuse, he said he never could ask her out. Could this be the same with if Sasuke dies, and Naruto feels that he can't tell Sakura he wants to be together with her, because Sakura lost too much already?

Edited by FoolishYoungling , 14 April 2012 - 12:46 AM.

[Greed-Sama]

Wut? No, but they weren't fighting someone they could never defeat. And never was there a much stronger person who could get rid of the enemies on his own. In this case, a real life situation applies somewhat.

"And never was there a much stronger person who could get rid..."

If that's the case then there was no previous guidelines to how Hinata should have handled the situation, and she did what she felt was best.

[The Tax-Man]

"And never was there a much stronger person who could get rid..."

If that's the case then there was no previous guidelines to how Hinata should have handled the situation, and she did what she felt was best.

Your point being? So if no one ever did it then suddenly logic flies out the window?

[Greed-Sama]

Your point being? So if no one ever did it then suddenly logic flies out the window?

Logic based in our world, doesn't mean that logic is the same in their world.

Our soldiers aren't granted with super speed or chakra and so battle techniques will change depending on new dynamics. Because logically, according to the military guidelines set by this world, this manga doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

[Don-kun]

Comparing a Shinobi war to a real life world is like comparing apples and oranges.

Obito, Kakashi, Rin, Minato...were involved in war. By your analogy, Kakashi should have left Rin to die, and Obito was a traitor.

That's why I say some comments are bias, what Hinata did was great by trying to help Naruto, but another thing is what she didn't acomplish she call her reason selfish, becasy Naruto ask everyone to stay out and been a friend I will never stay out, Naruto is very stubborn, the problem I have is what she did at that moment, I'm pretty sure Naruto will come around and thank her for what she did and at that moment she could tell him how she feel about him.
But that didn't happen all she did was add more drama to the story, by confessing her love to Naruto them geting her self almost kill with out trying to at lease get him free that was the smartis thing to do but she didn't she only confess her love.
What Hinata did was add more fuel to the NH vs. NS and Nothing else someone plz prove me wrong.

[The Tax-Man]

Logic based in our world, doesn't mean that logic is the same in their world.

Our soldiers aren't granted with super speed or chakra and so battle techniques will change depending on new dynamics. Because logically, according to the military guidelines set by this world, this manga doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

Of course. But that doesn't change Hinata's decision being stupid and just trouble for all of them. That's why I say she shouldn't have. It may make emotional sense somewhat, but the situation asked them to have faith and wait. Nothing changes that.

[MangaReader]

Alright I'll make a new topic. It's not much, but we need something to talk about here other than this.

Okay, so one reason Jiraiya said he never could get Tsunade was because he knew that she had already lost people, and he didn't won't her falling in love with him, and then lose him as well. With that excuse, he said he never could ask her out. Could this be the same with if Sasuke dies, and Naruto feels that he can't tell Sakura he wants to be together with her, because Sakura lost too much already?

Nah, Jiraiya said Naruto's suppose to succeed at everything Jiraiya failed at...plus this story is about how the new generation surpasses the last. Unless Kishi ruins his own story, Naruto and Sakura should be able to get together no matter what (unless Naruto somehow dies)

[James S Cassidy]

Perhaps selfish was not the right word, but it is the more kind word.

In reality, she was not selfish per-say, she was stupid. I know bashing a character is prohibited, but she was stupid in that moment. Helping someone is NOT running into battle head first taking out the tough opponent that you know can beat you. You mentioned the train metaphor. Honestly, is it smarter to actually help the person or try stopping the train with your face? Noble yes, but still stupid. Some times, the best help is to stay out of the way. She got caught in the crossfire and not only nearly got herself killed, but almost killed Naruto too. Imagine if Minato didn't put safety precautions inside the seal.

She could have done something completely different than going in there head first. She forgot the most basic ninja rule ever: Use the element of surprise. Even if she couldn't cause that much damage, she could have at least used that to her advantage and helped Naruto in a different way. What would be better for us to say? That she was selfish or that she was stupid? No, I don't really want to hear someone say "If it was Sakura..." or "Why do we have to subjugate her to criticism" because if it was Sakura, I still would say she was stupid. Hell, I'll say it here. Sakura going after Sasuke to kill him was stupid.

Now, what is true is the fact Hinata doesn't give Naruto enough credit. Several times Hinata has worried about his safety and thought Naruto weaker than he is. Sakura always had support of Naruto and his abilities. This was even shown in one chapter, help me out fellas, where Naruto first met and attacked Tobi. Hinata acted all worried about his safety and Sakura told Hinata that Naruto is stronger than she thinks.

It is probably one of the best moments where I saw two love interest show their idea of what kind of man Naruto is and how they see him. Hinata sees him as this weak frail person and is so scared to even see him get hurt. Sakura sees this strong, unpredictable, man that can dot he impossible and has ever confidence in him.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 14 April 2012 - 01:32 AM.

[ciardha]

Come on Ciardha the first thing I say that there was a splash in chapter 1 page 3 and then he make it very clear who is the girl Naruto likes in chapter 3.

That's not what you were talking about when you used that splash page don, you were making a claim narusaku would never happen because of sasusaku, and said Kishimoto "showed this from the start". I countered with the chapter 1 splash page- which was the very first image Kishimoto had in the story of the four main characters, the first image in publication of Sakura- what image he sets up showing what the characters relations will be. And lo and behold- Sakura is looking toward Naruto and blushing. She's not looking at Sasuke, who sits apart from the rest, alone on a hawk He hints at character developments that wouldn't be fully developed until part 2 of the story- on the very first image of the story's main characters. There are hints about Naruto and Kakashi as well in that image, but their things that get revealed in later part 1.

I did say that in the interview that is intention was to show her more of a real life girl, then he say that he was planning to make her more of a heroin like in the future, don't you see the dramatic change between Sakura part one and Sakura part two.

Kishimoto never called her that, and in fact was quite shocked in 2009 when rabid Sakura hating naruhina shippers called her that. And was then prompted to outright publicly state Sakura was telling the truth about her feelings for Naruto in chapters 469-70. That's where you heard that word used against Sakura, not by Kishimoto.

Plus he did Say that Shikamaru will become more of a confident for Naruto if you want to disagree with the pairing part of the interview I'm with you but why will everything he say will be change by pairing fans.

What I was pointing that Kishimoto didn't say there was your odd assertion that everyone else would become "untrustworthy, that Shikamaru would be his only advisor". That is in no interview by Kishimoto. Where this comes from is someone asked about the ShikaTem pairing and Kishimoto said the pairing wouldn't be shown, Shikamaru would be too busy being Naruto's advisor. Totally different slant from your odd assertion.

[merryGOflava]

"I'm sure he would have figured something out." "She had no faith in Naruto." Oh my god. Yeah, I really need to stop participating in the "debates" here. The bias is so thick, it's like beer goggles. I can't believe people are actually incapable of putting themselves in the shoes of these characters. I can't believe people have the audacity to tell me "Oh, I would have stayed put because I believe in Naruto. I have no problem watching him about to get killed, because I know he can handle it." If he dies, everyone dies. Everyone. I don't care if you love Naruto or hate him. That is the fact. I don't care what his wishes were, I don't care if you'd call it an abandonment of faith. I am shocked that ONLY Hinata jumped into the ring. In my opinion, everyone else who could and didn't is a coward, if only for that moment. She did what they all should have done. When you're all about to die, I don't care if you know you can't win. You fight.

Only in a pairing war can self-sacrifice actually be called selfish, I swear.

i kinda agree with him.

i mean come on people. if SAKURA did the same thing you would be just like the hinata fans.

and what hinata did was admirable, she wanted to help him, even if it meant dying.

its selfish....but that doesnt mean it was bad.

its not a matter how having faith in someone. i mean lets face it HE WAS PINNED DOWN!!

so you people are saying you WOULDNT go out and help someone if they were about to get killed JUST cause they said "stay out of the fight"

thats dumb. if thats true then lots of characters would have been dead a long time ago.

the only reason SAKURA DIDNT go out there isnt cause she had FAITH in him. its cause she couldnt SEE what was happening.

hinata had the byakugan and was closer. sakura was faaaaaar away. they village isnt small ya know.

sakura would have been there too if she knew, but the byakugan person telling her what was happening wasnt giving the details. (look up the chapter)

im tired of people thinking hinata had no faith and should have stayed outta it........its dumb.

sakura has already tired to run at kyuubi naruto. that wasnt the smartest thing and yamato told her not to. does that make her a horrible character?

NO it makes her a caring character that wanted to help naruto even if it hurt her. same with hinata.

[Dragunov]

Kishimoto never called her that, and in fact was quite shocked in 2009 when rabid Sakura hating naruhina shippers called her that. And was then prompted to outright publicly state Sakura was telling the truth about her feelings for Naruto in chapters 469-70. That's where you heard that word used against Sakura, not by Kishimoto.

Can you give a link to this, please?

[Strangelove]

i kinda agree with him.

i mean come on people. if SAKURA did the same thing you would be just like the hinata fans.

and what hinata did was admirable, she wanted to help him, even if it meant dying.

its selfish....but that doesnt mean it was bad.

its not a matter how having faith in someone. i mean lets face it HE WAS PINNED DOWN!!

so you people are saying you WOULDNT go out and help someone if they were about to get killed JUST cause they said "stay out of the fight"

thats dumb. if thats true then lots of characters would have been dead a long time ago.

the only reason SAKURA DIDNT go out there isnt cause she had FAITH in him. its cause she couldnt SEE what was happening.

hinata had the byakugan and was closer. sakura was faaaaaar away. they village isnt small ya know.

sakura would have been there too if she knew, but the byakugan person telling her what was happening wasnt giving the details. (look up the chapter)

im tired of people thinking hinata had no faith and should have stayed outta it........its dumb.

sakura has already tired to run at kyuubi naruto. that wasnt the smartest thing and yamato told her not to. does that make her a horrible character?

NO it makes her a caring character that wanted to help naruto even if it hurt her. same with hinata.

This post for the win.

[Don-kun]

That's not what you were talking about when you used that splash page don, you were making a claim narusaku would never happen because of sasusaku, and said Kishimoto "showed this from the start". I countered with the chapter 1 splash page- which was the very first image Kishimoto had in the story of the four main characters, the first image in publication of Sakura- what image he sets up showing what the characters relations will be. And lo and behold- Sakura is looking toward Naruto and blushing. She's not looking at Sasuke, who sits apart from the rest, alone on a hawk He hints at character developments that wouldn't be fully developed until part 2 of the story- on the very first image of the story's main characters. There are hints about Naruto and Kakashi as well in that image, but their things that get revealed in later part 1.





Kishimoto never called her that, and in fact was quite shocked in 2009 when rabid Sakura hating naruhina shippers called her that. And was then prompted to outright publicly state Sakura was telling the truth about her feelings for Naruto in chapters 469-70. That's where you heard that word used against Sakura, not by Kishimoto.



What I was pointing that Kishimoto didn't say there was your odd assertion that everyone else would become "untrustworthy, that Shikamaru would be his only advisor". That is in no interview by Kishimoto. Where this comes from is someone asked about the ShikaTem pairing and Kishimoto said the pairing wouldn't be shown, Shikamaru would be too busy being Naruto's advisor. Totally different slant from your odd assertion.

Sorry I didn't read all what you say there I will read it after Miami heat game finish, but what I was hable to get that you was correcting me when I never say anything like what you are implying in the two first lines.


The bolded again you wrong I'm pretty sure that what I was implying that Sakura may die because of the message she got from Chiyo, when she was told to only give away her life for she really care for (Naruto)

Please read my post again because nothing you say here is what I was implying in the first place.

Ok there is one thing I need to make clear I hate SS with passion I even Make video in youtube agains that pairing, plus my origial custon name is Attack SS poor logic.
So you are coming at the wrong user, because this one here get very stressed and annoyed when reading SS silly logic.

Edited by donjoseph19, 14 April 2012 - 02:49 AM.

[James S Cassidy]

The only reason SAKURA DIDNT go out there isnt cause she had FAITH in him. its cause she couldnt SEE what was happening.

Im tired of people thinking hinata had no faith and should have stayed outta it........its dumb.

I agree with everything, but this. I am sorry, but Hinata's faith in Naruto is NOT there. She acts more like a concerned over protective mother at times and even gets worried when Naruto gets a tiny papercut. Yeah, she cares, but her lack of faith is disturbing. (yeah Star Wars jokes yay, moving on.) Hinata took a GREAT risk in what she did. Let's be honest about this fact. If Minato didn't put in those safety measures, then 9-tails Naruto would have destroyed more than just the village.

So, did she help? It's not certain. If she didn't Naruto would never have gone 9-tails and got out of what trap he is in. On the other hand 9-tails Naruto could have destroyed not only Nagato, but every single person in a good radius. She could have caused more damage than anything (Which could be seen as being selfish.) Not only that, but who is to say that Naruto couldn't have gotten out himself? It is unknown if something would have happened without Hinata interfering.

Yeah, Sakura has done some stupid stuff too. That's what happens when you care about someone too much. You make stupid decisions. And hey, if you say Hinata did that because she cares about Naruto, then Sakura must definitely be in love with him too cause she has done her fair share as well all for the sake of Naruto. This works both ways, but what can be applied to one can be applied to the other.

Honestly, from my view, Hinata neither helped nor impeded on the situation. In the end, it was a matter of luck that Minato was smart enough to leave insurance. I'm sorry, but the whole "Hinata helped Naruto see his father" is a flat out lie in itself and I am not going to give credit to something nobody even knew about or had intention of doing. So who saved Naruto? Minato and Kushina and they kept on protecting him since day one.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 14 April 2012 - 03:15 AM.

[Anguyen92]

I agree with everything, but this. I am sorry, but Hinata's faith in Naruto is NOT there. She acts more like a concerned over protective mother at times and even gets worried when Naruto gets a tiny papercut. Yeah, she cares, but her lack of faith is disturbing. (yeah Star Wars jokes yay, moving on.) Hinata took a GREAT risk in what she did. Let's be honest about this fact. If Minato didn't put in those safety measures, then 9-tails Naruto would have destroyed more than just the village.

So, did she help? It's not certain. If she didn't Naruto would never have gone 9-tails and got out of what trap he is in. On the other hand 9-tails Naruto could have destroyed not only Nagato, but every single person in a good radius. She could have caused more damage than anything (Which could bee seen as being selfish.) Not only that, but who is to say that Naruto couldn't have gotten out himself? It is unknown if something would have happened without Hinata interfering.

Yeah, Sakura has done some stupid stuff too. That's what happens when you care about someone too much. You make stupid decisions. And hey, if you say Hinata did that because she cares about Naruto, then Sakura must definitely be in love with him too cause she has done her fair share as well all for the sake of Naruto. This works both ways, but what can be applied to one can be applied to the other.

Honestly, from my view, Hinata neither helped nor impeded on the situation. In the end, it was a matter of luck that Minato was smart enough to leave insurance. I'm sorry, but the whole "Hinata helped Naruto see his father" is a flat out lie in itself and I am not going to give credit to something nobody even knew about or had intention of doing. So who saved Naruto? Minato and Kushina and they kept on protecting him since day one.

This. Boooooooom! (Not the member, the term itself) Case close, both sides and Naruto has made errors of judgment that did not benefit the situations at hand and they should have to try to get past that and move on. How can everything be settled to the point where everyone would just have to agree with certain conditions.

Edited by Anguyen92, 14 April 2012 - 03:18 AM.

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

Hinata's confession wasn't truly selfish. She wanted to help Naruto just like anyone else would and it was noble to do but she wasn't thinking things through. She charged in there on an
impulse without thinking, not caring whether she died or not. It was solely emotions and no deep thinking was involved. If Sakura had known what was going on, even though its canon fact
that Sakura has more faith in him then Naruto, she would do the same thing Hinata did. She would go against Naruto's wishes too. The only difference is that Sakura would likely analayze a way to save
Naruto other than just charging blindly like Hinata did. She has a tendency to do that after all. I was one of those NaruSaku fans that constantly spewed out "Hinata's confession was selfish" but some of these posts have changed my mind. The only selfish aspect of that confession was burdaning him with her confession because she figured she'd die but that's it. Honestly, Hinata's mind was clouded
with panic, anxiety, and desperation so her actions were poorly thought out and were stupid. Hinata cracked under the pressure and was being almost as reckless as Naruto is. You can't really blame
her, given the circumstances. How many of us wouldn't be thinking clearly? But I guess that she should have been smarter and more focused being a ninja and all.

Let's face it. Naruto was PINNED and seriously needed saving. We could say he would have figured a way out but it didn't seem likely. He pretty much gave up and was terribly confused. So in a way, Hinata did save Naruto but also made the situation worse at the same time. The only problem I have with Hinata's confession is that she wasn't thinking clearly or paying attention to Naruto's state. I wish she could have done more to help him but she was being stupid.