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[Verilance]

Just reading a new chapter of one of Adachi Mitsuru's Q and A...

I think in the rush to compare Naruto to Toriyama's Dragonball it is often overlooked that as great an influence on Kishimoto was Adachi-pro. So much so that he along with his twin brother played Baseball in school. (Adachi being famous for his baseball manga Touch)

I believe that the whole romance subplot has been borrowed heavily from how Adachi would write, though Kishimoto lacks the master's touch with romance.

Take Cross Game for instance, the main heroine Aoba absolutely loathes the main Hero Ko, but Adachi being Adachi the fact that they will end up together is not in dispute only how it will come about that is...

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now i am a bit biased because Cross Game is perhaps my all time favourite manga and I would rank it about the other great manga penned by Adachi (perhaps only because it was the first one I read)

to me as with an adachi manga it has never been an issue that Sakura will end up with Naruto only how it will come about...

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Touch is a shounen story about two twin brothers, a pretty girl next door, and that good old pastime of baseball. The manga was written by one of the most well known manga-ka out there, Adachi Mitsuru in the early 80's (1981-1986). He's a wonderful writer who tends to write stories that are related to baseball and Koshien, the stadium where the All High School Baseball Tournament is held.

great parallels here on why it was such an influence on Kishimoto he and his brother are twins just like in the manga

Edited by Verilance, 06 August 2012 - 11:44 PM.

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

Just coming in and visiting, how's everyone? I can't believe I missed out on the ff discussions you guys had earlier. Just to let you guys know, the NH and SS are not going down with out a fight. They believe the RtN movie is not canon, and thaf NS will never happen in the canon manga.

Well, I'm going back to the OMF Relationship Thread defend NS in a pairing war. Goodbye for now.

[kidNinja]

Just coming in and visiting, how's everyone? I can't believe I missed out on the ff discussions you guys had earlier. Just to let you guys know, the NH and SS are not going down with out a fight. They believe the RtN movie is not canon, and thaf NS will never happen in the canon manga.

Well, I'm going back to the OMF Relationship Thread defend NS in a pairing war. Goodbye for now.

Well bring it on then! I'm gonna join the battles again eventually...but then again I do like retirement...

[TouKen4Life3g]

I got one for you guys to talk:

Yeah, If this is Kishi's idea of a joke its not funny.

I mean come on, I don't remember Kishi saying about development a relationship between Naruto and Sakura in the interview of the movie.

Just how will Hinata feel if Naruto seemly rejects her over Sakura because he wants what he wants. Hinata would rather kill herself than live a life of broken heart and grief.

Hinata made her point of vow that after the war she will want to walk with Naruto side by side holding his hand. If that doesn't turn out what she wanted how do you think she will feel?

Yeah, he's bragging about the movie.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 07 August 2012 - 01:59 AM.

[Traci]

I got one for you guys to talk:

QUOTE
Yeah, If this is Kishi's idea of a joke its not funny.

I mean come on, I don't remember Kishi saying about development a relationship between Naruto and Sakura in the interview of the movie.

Just how will Hinata feel if Naruto seemly rejects her over Sakura because he wants what he wants. Hinata would rather kill herself than live a life of broken heart and grief.

Hinata made her point of vow that after the war she will want to walk with Naruto side by side holding his hand. If that doesn't turn out what she wanted how do you think she will feel?
QUOTE

Yeah, he's bragging about the movie.

Well, she's definitely not going to kill herself, that's for sure...

Also, what's wrong with rejecting someone because you want what you want? He sounds like he thinks Naruto should be with Hinata out of pity...

[Transformers03]

I got one for you guys to talk:



Yeah, he's bragging about the movie.

1) Why would Kishi advertise Naruto and Sakura developing a relationship in the movie, when that never happen. It just showed their bond, and how strong it is, with HINTS that it can go beyond friendship (i.e. longest date ever). Even if you are just talking about their bond in the movie, still, why would he advertise that? The main appeal to the movie was about Naruto's parents and AU characters, so most likely or not he probably answered questions that concern that.

2) So this person is saying that Hinata shouldn't be rejected by Naruto, but Naruto should be rejected by Sakura? This person is also saying that Naruto will be able to take a rejection from Sakura, but Hinata can't take a rejection from Naruto? At least this person doesn't think Hinata is an all important goddess, apparently this person doesn't think Hinata can't take a rejection.

3) You know what, you're right. What would have been the point of Hinata making that vow that she is going to be at Naruto's side, and holding his hand? At least, of course, that's her character getting some FREAKING development, cause now she going to actually start TRYING to get with Naruto, rather than act all shy around him. Then again, these are the actions of a SUPPORTING character, who I personally don't care for, because her actions rarely play a role into the story. Seriously, when has she ever play a big role in the story, OTHER than the blood vow thing and her confession?
Why would I care for her actions at all, if she HARDLY DOES ANYTHING?

I wouldn't be surprise these are the comments of a neutral fan, who just simply thought that the series was heading towards Naruhina, and is now just doesn't understand the Narusaku moments in the movie. If that's true, then mostly likely or not this person is just confused of the sudden preference of a different pairing, and Hinata's overall point of being in the story (I don't think she has any, but I'm not the author).
However if this person is an Naruhina fan, and these are his arguments, then this are stupid arguments. Nuf' said.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Here's my thought:

Sakura won't hate Sasuke, but she won't be in love with him anymore. It is nice that she doesn't give up hope, thanks to Naruto, but to think of him as a love material, it's not going to happen. She knows better that even with the whole ordeal, Sasuke was never interest in her. To me, I only see Sasuke with two options: alone or with Karin. The thing is I don't see Sasuke returning to Konoha and forgive them as they forgive him. I do see Sasuke becomes a wanderer as I see the best fitting ending for him when it comes to being alive and all.

Sakura needs to talk to him one last time to see what her feelings stand. If it wasn't the fact that Sasuke was going to kill her point blank, we could have a solution to her feelings, but it was postpone due to him being crazy. In fact, this is the first time that they confronted each other since part 2 began. Yes, she met him at Sai/Sasuke arc, but it was more of a shock factor. Hell, he only said to her, "Where's Kakashi?" It goes to show what his thought on Sakura: pretty much nothing. Kage Summit arc was the first time that we get to see Sakura's feelings for Sasuke in part 2 and it turns out it's pretty bad, which is why we now starting to see her feelings more (lover nin letter). At this point, she feels ashamed to be in love with a man who don't even fill in a requirement. So now, it seems like Kishi is finally putting her feelings to the test and whether she should move on or not. Again, confronting Sasuke one last time is the best option to have her feelings disappear and becomes a respectable friend.

Now people may ask, why she has to move on? The problem is that her love from the start was shallow and it was never true love. I seen many anime/manga that has this situation. She was always weaken by her crush love. Everytime you watch her with Sasuke, it's always depressing. The last good thing I ever witness was the genjutsu skill level. That's it. She even admits that Sasuke and her never really talk, which is why she will never understand him. If you read part 1 again, it was going downhill for Sakura, but at the same time, she goes up with Naruto. Naruto with Sakura is always a positive, whether it's comedy or drama. By the end of part 1, she saw him as a close friend who she can trust for anything because he's the man that will always remove her sadness. That's real love. When part 2 starts, Kishi stated that he wants to write romance for this part. If you ask me, it felt the timing couldn't be more coincidence. In part 1 and 2, there are couple of times that people think that they're a couple. Why not for her and Sasuke? Naruto hasn't change his feelings for Sakura at all, rather it just gets better. As for Sakura, there are many sources (Sai, Yamato, databook 3) that indicates that Sakura doesn't understand her feelings for Naruto. A lot of time she done is seen as a romantic note. Again, she doesn't know exactly. One would say she doesn't know because of her old crush is blocking it, which could be true. Other would say she just doesn't know yet and maybe, she should talk to him about their relationship. This is common in anime/manga for heroine not understanding her feelings for the hero. Her love for Sasuke is exposed many times, but why not Naruto. Because it will be the breaking point to romance, Naruto, and Sakura. Plus, romance is always resolved towards the end.

I could go on, but I think a lot of people got the clear picture. Also, anime studio is banking huge on NaruSaku as if they were told by Kishi himself, but who knows. All I can say is that switching sides would make this entirely awkward.

[4000TMNT]

I think Sakura already had acknowledgement from Sasuke when he said Thank You to her, this might be brought up if Sakura & Sasuke face each other again. This also might the finale nail in the coffin for SasuSaku.

[Paptala]

Just coming in and visiting, how's everyone? I can't believe I missed out on the ff discussions you guys had earlier. Just to let you guys know, the NH and SS are not going down with out a fight. They believe the RtN movie is not canon, and thaf NS will never happen in the canon manga.

Well, I'm going back to the OMF Relationship Thread defend NS in a pairing war. Goodbye for now.

What's the OMF Relationship Thread?

Yeah, If this is Kishi's idea of a joke its not funny.

I mean come on, I don't remember Kishi saying about development a relationship between Naruto and Sakura in the interview of the movie.

Just how will Hinata feel if Naruto seemly rejects her over Sakura because he wants what he wants. Hinata would rather kill herself than live a life of broken heart and grief.

Hinata made her point of vow that after the war she will want to walk with Naruto side by side holding his hand. If that doesn't turn out what she wanted how do you think she will feel?

Its amazing that once again you see the focusing on Hinata's feelings to the complete exclusion of Naruto's feelings. Yes, how dare Naruto reject Hinata because he's in love with someone else. What a selfish prick that makes him.

lol Hinata would kill herself if Naruto didn't reciprocate his feelings? Are you kidding me? This sounds more derogatory to Hinata's character than most anti-Hinata fans say honestly.

If Hinata's plan to hold Naruto's hand after the war doesn't work out, she would hopefully find her own beliefs and path in life and grow to be a stronger, more independent and self confident individual. As another user once said, Naruto is her final goal post to move past.

[Don-kun]

What's the OMF Relationship Thread?

Its amazing that once again you see the focusing on Hinata's feelings to the complete exclusion of Naruto's feelings. Yes, how dare Naruto reject Hinata because he's in love with someone else. What a selfish prick that makes him.

lol Hinata would kill herself if Naruto didn't reciprocate his feelings? Are you kidding me? This sounds more derogatory to Hinata's character than most anti-Hinata fans say honestly.

If Hinata's plan to hold Naruto's hand after the war doesn't work out, she would hopefully find her own beliefs and path in life and grow to be a stronger, more independent and self confident individual. As another user once said, Naruto is her final goal post to move past.

If I'm not wrong this stande for One Manga Forum.

Apart from ending with Naruto, most NS fans always create a good scenario for Hinata when they include her in their stories, something NH fans don't do. They normally bash Sakura and Sasuke in their NH stories.

So in end Hinata fan's mentality, is for Naruto to hate Sakura and fall in love with Hinata.

Edited by NS means logic, 07 August 2012 - 05:47 PM.

[Paptala]

If I'm not wrong this stande for One Manga Forum.

Thanks

So in end Hinata fan's mentality, is for Naruto to hate Sakura and fall in love with Hinata.

I wouldn't say that they want Naruto to hate Sakura, per say. They just all seem to think it would be horrible of Naruto to turn Hinata down because they place so much value on Hinata's feelings and undermine Naruto's feelings for Sakura completely.

Edited by Paptala, 07 August 2012 - 06:23 PM.

[Traci]

Thanks

I wouldn't say that they want Naruto to hate Sakura, per say. They just all seem to think it would be horrible of Naruto to turn Hinata down because they place so much value on Hinata's feelings and undermine Naruto's feelings for Sakura completely.

Some definitely do want Naruto to hate Sakura, based on the anti-NS/anti-Sakura fan art I've seen. However, some NH fans want Naruto and Hinata to get together, but they also want Naruto and Sakura to stay good friends, which is a mentality that I'm very fine with even though I don't exactly agree with it.

Yep, many do think it would be horrible to do that. Some NH fans also feel that Naruto, because of his past, will easily fall in love with Hinata after learning that she always liked him. Some even say that Hinata has always been there for him, which doesn't seem to be true from what we've seen.

To be honest, I think Hinata would have a much, much better chance of winning over Naruto if she had befriended him as kids, or if she had confessed much earlier. If in chapter 3, Naruto had introduced Sakura as his crush, but Hinata as a close female friend who has always been there for him, then NH would have much greater stakes in my opinion. In the anime, Hinata appeared in episode 1 just like all of Konoha 12, but in the manga, she only appeared in chapter 34.

I don't hold anything against Hinata for not helping Naruto though, because at least she liked Naruto instead of hating him and Hinata being the first person to befriend Naruto would have ruined the impact Iruka had on Naruto.

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

Well bring it on then! I'm gonna join the battles again eventually...but then again I do like retirement...

I'm officially retired from pairing wars. I'm done debating against a bunch of people who needs to get their head examined. Seriouly, one NH shipper believes that Sakura abuses orphans :imao: Come on, I'll have much of a better civilized conversation with a pack of monkeys. Four years of warefare against NH and SS fanbases was a splendid journey. I'm going to be like Shikamaru and watch the clouds until Kishi makes NS official

What's the OMF Relationship Thread?

Its amazing that once again you see the focusing on Hinata's feelings to the complete exclusion of Naruto's feelings. Yes, how dare Naruto reject Hinata because he's in love with someone else. What a selfish prick that makes him.

lol Hinata would kill herself if Naruto didn't reciprocate his feelings? Are you kidding me? This sounds more derogatory to Hinata's character than most anti-Hinata fans say honestly.

If Hinata's plan to hold Naruto's hand after the war doesn't work out, she would hopefully find her own beliefs and path in life and grow to be a stronger, more independent and self confident individual. As another user once said, Naruto is her final goal post to move past.

Well that's a thread in the OneManga forum in the Naruto section. Debates on relationships about pairings and families belong in that thread. Tell you what, NH seems like they own OMF. They're everywhere. I can't believe a guy like Vilerance can put up with them for more than three months. Oh well, it's good to be home.

[Verilance]

truthfully the current crop of NHers disappoint me, I became friends with some of the old NHers at One Manga, but a lot of them just don't read manga any more life being life.

Most of the time I only make a post there when they are far beyond the truth or just being silly, I had a great time a few years ago discussing One Piece there though

mostly these days I comment only about manga I prefer more than the "popular" ones. These days Naruto is hard pressed to be in my top five and One Piece has dropped out of my top ten

Edited by Verilance, 07 August 2012 - 07:42 PM.

[Paptala]

Some definitely do want Naruto to hate Sakura, based on the anti-NS/anti-Sakura fan art I've seen. However, some NH fans want Naruto and Hinata to get together, but they also want Naruto and Sakura to stay good friends, which is a mentality that I'm very fine with even though I don't exactly agree with it.

It will vary depending on the fan - just as it is with any portion of the fandom. There are extremes in every Big 3 pairing fandom to be sure.

Yep, many do think it would be horrible to do that. Some NH fans also feel that Naruto, because of his past, will easily fall in love with Hinata after learning that she always liked him. Some even say that Hinata has always been there for him, which doesn't seem to be true from what we've seen.

To be honest, I think Hinata would have a much, much better chance of winning over Naruto if she had befriended him as kids, or if she had confessed much earlier. If in chapter 3, Naruto had introduced Sakura as his crush, but Hinata as a close female friend who has always been there for him, then NH would have much greater stakes in my opinion. In the anime, Hinata appeared in episode 1 just like all of Konoha 12, but in the manga, she only appeared in chapter 34.

I completely agree - I think this is best shown in Naruto's mentality during the Gaara fight. That fight occurred after all of his development with Hinata in part one (and the majority of his development with her overall, given there was so little development if any in part 2), and yet she was not in his thoughts at all as one of the people who were so important to him. Those spots were reserved for Team 7 and Iruka, because they were the first ones to acknowledge him. They saved him from the hell of loneliness, and for that, they will always hold a special place in his heart that no one else can replace.

I think that if Hinata were going to be important to Naruto, enough to get together with her, he would have at least thought passingly about her there - but he didn't. He didn't think of her at all after the Neji fight was over and done until he met up with her again in part 2 after the Rescue Gaara mission.

I don't hold anything against Hinata for not helping Naruto though, because at least she liked Naruto instead of hating him and Hinata being the first person to befriend Naruto would have ruined the impact Iruka had on Naruto.

My only problem with Hinata not helping Naruto before the chuunin exams is the fans who will argue vehemently that she's always been there for Naruto, and that she was the first to recognize him for what he was - to me, that's practically meaningless because Naruto was completely unaware of it. She might as well have given him the cold shoulder like everyone else at that age for all the difference it actually made to Naruto.

[redragon88]

I really don't get why people would argue that Hinata was always there for Naruto. She has never been there for Naruto, not even during her confession. Allow me to explain that properly:

Hinata's love for Naruto is all about what she can take from him, is never been about what she can do for him. Naruto is Hinata's hero and so she takes strength in how he is. Hinata wants to better herself as a person, and so, she loves Naruto because he represents what she strives to be.

Even during her confession she jumped in knowing that she had no chance of making a difference. She chose to do it because she wanted to prove to herself that at least she could have the courage to fight to the very end, just like Naruto tends to do. Hinata wanted to prove to herself that she could defend her hero and the one she loved by putting her life on the line because that's just what Naruto would also do for his friends.

Hinata's feelings for Naruto are very sweet, there no denying that. I just wanted to show how her feelings are more centered around her than focused on Naruto. Sakura's own feelings for Sasuke are the same way, centered on her needs, albeit they take a darker turn than Hinata's. Naruto's feelings, on the other hand, are never about how it affects him, it's always about how Sakura can be happy regardless of his feelings.

The reason described above is why I believe that Naruto's feelings stand above Hinata's and Sakura's (just when it comes to Sasuke).

[Paptala]

I really don't get why people would argue that Hinata was always there for Naruto. She has never been there for Naruto, not even during her confession. Allow me to explain that properly:

Hinata's love for Naruto is all about what she can take from him, is never been about what she can do for him. Naruto is Hinata's hero and so she takes strength in how he is. Hinata wants to better herself as a person, and so, she loves Naruto because he represents what she strives to be.

Even during her confession she jumped in knowing that she had no chance of making a difference. She chose to do it because she wanted to prove to herself that at least she could have the courage to fight to the very end, just like Naruto tends to do. Hinata wanted to prove to herself that she could defend her hero and the one she loved by putting her life on the line because that's just what Naruto would also do for his friends.

Hinata's feelings for Naruto are very sweet, there no denying that. I just wanted to show how her feelings are more centered around her than focused on Naruto. Sakura's own feelings for Sasuke are the same way, centered on her needs, albeit they take a darker turn than Hinata's. Naruto's feelings, on the other hand, are never about how it affects him, it's always about how Sakura can be happy regardless of his feelings.

The reason described above is why I believe that Naruto's feelings stand above Hinata's and Sakura's (just when it comes to Sasuke).

Agreed - I really do think that NH and SS are only about character development for the girls respectively rather than potential future ships. I think this for the exact reasons you listed above, and the fact that they are so incredibly one-sided. There was never any romantic Sasuke in SasuSaku, nor is there any romantic Naruto in NaruHina.

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

truthfully the current crop of NHers disappoint me, I became friends with some of the old NHers at One Manga, but a lot of them just don't read manga any more life being life.

Most of the time I only make a post there when they are far beyond the truth or just being silly, I had a great time a few years ago discussing One Piece there though

mostly these days I comment only about manga I prefer more than the "popular" ones. These days Naruto is hard pressed to be in my top five and One Piece has dropped out of my top ten

The only NH friends I have there are in the NS-FC. Even with SF, you could see the denial with her post halfway, stating that Kishi know what's he doing:lol:

But the Naruto and Sasuke Chracter thread were the best back in the day. Never cared much for OP.

@All: I'm just wondering what type if NS Kishi will give us next. I winder how will she fight Tobi?

Edited by Konoha'sCrimsonFox, 07 August 2012 - 09:57 PM.

[Don-kun]

I honestly cannot see may self debating at this time with a NH/ss fan.

I will use a post from another menber in Naruto forum to expline what I mean.

Talking about NH.

A. There are three non-debatable points

1. Sakura loves Sasuke

2. Naruto loves Sakura

3. Hinata loves Naruto

*if you cannot concede these three, clearly debating with you is a waste of time because you are not interested in the facts. Just let me know now and i'll promptly ignore you.

B. If you want to argue a pairing, then, you have three arguments.

1. Sasuke is falling/will fall in love with Sakura

2. Sakura is falling/will fall in love with Naruto

3. Naruto is falling/will fall in love with Hinata

*Tracking so far? Each of these arguments would have to be supported with evidence. Evidence in this case consists of any panels of character A showing growing affections for character B. Get it? As an example, if I wanted to argue NS I would need to provide panels of Sakura showing growing affection for Naruto. The same applies for NH and SS. Moving on.

C. In order for a pairing to be "debatable," it has to have sufficient evidence that is ambiguous enough to foster an argument backed by other evidence.

1. There is little/no evidence to suggest Sasuke's growing affections for Sakura. As a result, SS is not debatable. It boils down to the "it could happen" argument, which is the antithesis of debate.

2. This leaves NH and NS. There is a lot of evidence displaying Sakura's growing affections for Naruto, but a lot fewer panels showing Naruto's growing affections for Hinata. As a result, the debate is unfair due to the sheer development discrepancy.

*Here we come to the meat of my argument. SS can't really participate because they have so little to work with, and the murder attempts don't help. NH is much better off, but the amount of development *pales* in comparison to NS, both in magnitude and in sheer number of panels. So basically I have more weapons than you do. For every panel you can provide, I can provide several more; therefore, your only course of actions is to question the validity of my panels. This more or less proves the point: NS or no NS is really the best subject for debate.


Do you understand now? It's not that NH isn't worth discussing, it's that it's lack of panels as compared to NS forces it to discredit NS evidence as non-evidence. You do that every time you debate NH anyway. What I'm saying is let's just focus on that, as that is a debate that is fair for the NS and ANS side. There's less dead ends and "anything can happen" arguments, because there are a ton more panels to argue over due to their constant interaction.

Of course if you cannot accept that Naruto loves Sakura, as has been reconfirmed the last arc, your participation in the thread is pointless. You cannot prove it, but I can prove he does love her. That is all.

[Transformers03]

I honestly cannot see may self debating at this time with a NH/ss fan.

I will use a post from another menber in Naruto forum to expline what I mean.

Talking about NH.

A. There are three non-debatable points

1. Sakura loves Sasuke

2. Naruto loves Sakura

3. Hinata loves Naruto

*if you cannot concede these three, clearly debating with you is a waste of time because you are not interested in the facts. Just let me know now and i'll promptly ignore you.

B. If you want to argue a pairing, then, you have three arguments.

1. Sasuke is falling/will fall in love with Sakura

2. Sakura is falling/will fall in love with Naruto

3. Naruto is falling/will fall in love with Hinata

*Tracking so far? Each of these arguments would have to be supported with evidence. Evidence in this case consists of any panels of character A showing growing affections for character B. Get it? As an example, if I wanted to argue NS I would need to provide panels of Sakura showing growing affection for Naruto. The same applies for NH and SS. Moving on.

C. In order for a pairing to be "debatable," it has to have sufficient evidence that is ambiguous enough to foster an argument backed by other evidence.

1. There is little/no evidence to suggest Sasuke's growing affections for Sakura. As a result, SS is not debatable. It boils down to the "it could happen" argument, which is the antithesis of debate.

2. This leaves NH and NS. There is a lot of evidence displaying Sakura's growing affections for Naruto, but a lot fewer panels showing Naruto's growing affections for Hinata. As a result, the debate is unfair due to the sheer development discrepancy.

*Here we come to the meat of my argument. SS can't really participate because they have so little to work with, and the murder attempts don't help. NH is much better off, but the amount of development *pales* in comparison to NS, both in magnitude and in sheer number of panels. So basically I have more weapons than you do. For every panel you can provide, I can provide several more; therefore, your only course of actions is to question the validity of my panels. This more or less proves the point: NS or no NS is really the best subject for debate.


Do you understand now? It's not that NH isn't worth discussing, it's that it's lack of panels as compared to NS forces it to discredit NS evidence as non-evidence. You do that every time you debate NH anyway. What I'm saying is let's just focus on that, as that is a debate that is fair for the NS and ANS side. There's less dead ends and "anything can happen" arguments, because there are a ton more panels to argue over due to their constant interaction.

Of course if you cannot accept that Naruto loves Sakura, as has been reconfirmed the last arc, your participation in the thread is pointless. You cannot prove it, but I can prove he does love her. That is all.

WOW........................
This isn't something that I didn't already, sort of, known. It's just how it was written, and how well thought out it was, that amazes me. Big congrats for the person who wrote that. I agree with the statement 100%, and it makes total sense. The only problem with it is that, while there are a lot of evidence that will support Sakura falling for Naruto, a lot people (even some neutral fans) don't see it.